4chan post discussing the difference between being a beta and being a good person

qtyapa · 2014-05-17T23:02:59+00:00

My personal rule for helping a woman is to ask myself, "Would I do it if it was a man?"

Dopebear · 2014-05-17T18:36:39+00:00

Fucking right.

I have the same policy. I am much more inclined to help a male or elderly lady than a young woman.

You help a young woman - attractive or not, what is the first thing on her mind? That you're a decent human being? No, that you are kissing her ass.

heist_of_saint_graft · 2014-05-17T19:04:51+00:00

Damsels in distress are usually neither.

bringer_of_fight · 2014-05-17T19:52:17+00:00

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Hyooge · 2014-05-17T18:54:48+00:00

I feel genuine hate towards men that bend over backwards for a pretty woman because we all know what they are after. Quite funny really because I know a dude who messages an enormous amount of girls replying on their demand and guess what? He sleeps with none of them and his girlfriend cheated on him when she was on holiday with him. He puts every relatively attractive girl he meets first and will talk to them and make effort even when he gets bullied by them. The worst bit is he's a dickhead who isn't very nice and tries his best to put others down. Beta and being unkind can go hand in hand. Often the nicest guys you'll meet are the most confident, attractive to women and likeable.

DarkCircle · 2014-05-17T22:21:32+00:00

This is really on point. I make a point of refusing attractive women that make unreasonable requests. By making you do something for them, they are exercising their 'power' over you and their reward is often not the favor but the thrill of having someone supplicate to their beauty

Bit unrelated but I was just talking with a guy and a 19 year old girl walks in. He tells me that she is a scammer. She targets rich guys in the club, gets them to buy expensive bottles of champagne, then buys shots. They get so out of it that she just slinks off after. Then she gets a cut of the drinks the guys have bought. Pulls in around 10 grand a month (dollars). These guys think they are being nice to a pretty girl and helping them have a good time (with the hope of sex) when they are getting ripped off.

If I buy someone a drink it is because they are damn good company and conversation and they would do the same for me.

TNPgaylover · 2014-05-17T19:58:45+00:00

Reminds me of something that happened in a bus.

I was sitting right next to a pretty girl and a dude. The girl was trying to roll a joint but she needed some filler.

Guy: Just ask any guy for a cigarette!

Girl: Why don't YOU ask ?

Guy: Because guys will bend over backwards to help a pretty girl.

Girl: Yeah right

Guy: "Anybody have a cigarette ???"

The people in the bus just look around at each other like whatever

Guy: "See now you do it"

Girl: "Does anybody have a cigarette??"

Half the bus turns around. All I hear is the whimpers of "I have one!!" "Here you go!" etc etc etc

Not first time this type of shit happens

-RobotDeathSquad- · 2014-05-18T00:04:42+00:00

Reminds me of a scene last summer. I'm at a busy subway station in a big city. A black late middle or high school kid comes running and swipes this attractive woman's IPhone and runs up the stairs to the exit. The woman has on these 4.5 inch stillettos, immediately takes off for this kid, somehow catches him halfway up even with the stairs vs. heels battle, and starts stomping his ass with those stilettos. She lets the kid go after she gets the phone back and within seconds a crowd of overmuscled 30 something guys start crowding her asking if she is alright and saying they'll go catch the kid. WTF! She took care of business, got her shit back, let the kid go, and now you get all chivalrous? If you wanted to help, chase the kid right away! If you want recognition for being "nice" wait until after shits been dealt with. This brings up another point though. Those who help attractive people tend to not "help" so much as offer assistance in the hope it leads to sex. If you lost a buspass, fine, but don't expect these betas to take real risk and help recover a phone from an inner city black teen. Also, attractive women are plenty able to take care of their own.

icanteventhecat · 2014-05-17T20:44:59+00:00

Yeah rape culture my ass: for every real sexual predator out there, there are 100 white knights willing to throw away their lives to protect a woman they don't know. White knight culture.

dsav2 · 2014-05-17T19:03:14+00:00

When I see a guy go out of his way to help someone who doesn't appreciate it, I just feel a sense of disgust since he's the reason why that mentality exists.

The woman doesn't respect him either since he's acting like a servant trying to win her approval. When too many guys do this she's get a princess complex which results in them whining about windmills or the patriarchy when someone who doesn't kiss their ass comes along.

Aalewis__ · 2014-05-17T20:56:47+00:00

Related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg

modawg · 2014-05-18T01:39:45+00:00

Yeah. Attractive girls are ingrates. If I'm lucky enough to be able to hold the door open for them I don't. If you want my help, put on a few years and get a walker, bitch!

2014-05-17T22:47:37+00:00

There was a dumb bitch and I suspect her mum locked out of her apartment the other day, carrying ladders intending to get to the 2nd story to get in a window.

Her mum runs over and says can I put the ladders up.

No, ask a bag head that doesn't have a job to go to, plus don't be so fucking stupid and take your keys with you.

I would have felt better rejecting the younger one but you take what you can get right.

chakravanti93 · 2014-05-17T18:34:53+00:00

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2014-05-17T23:36:26+00:00

officially adopting this policy

dancingwithcats · 2014-05-17T21:36:34+00:00

When I do something nice for a stranger it's because it makes me feel good. I don't give a fuck otherwise. If I feel like doing a good deed I do it.

2014-05-17T19:05:04+00:00

It's not complicated.. be nice because you are/want to be nice. If you are nice only because you hope to get into her pants.. you are wrong. The niceness and the male-female attraction have nothing to do with each other.

t21spectre · 2014-05-17T19:44:23+00:00

Was this from the thread where the beta jumped in front of a bus to save her?

2014-05-18T09:19:45+00:00

Most people on online, and reddit especially, are anti anything related to the bible. Say what you want about it, but there is SOME wisdom in those old pages. Ethics of the Fathers covers this post in a simple and concise sentence from thousands of years ago. Only now have I realized how TRP this is.

"Hillel says, "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?" Ethics of the Fathers, 1:14"

ie Help people, but don't let them walk all over you--you have to take care of yourself before you can help others. Also, get that shit, whatever that shit is--working out, asking the girl out, getting education, etc, done NOW. If not now, when motherfucker??!

cheeky--kunt · 2014-05-17T19:03:56+00:00

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jkonine · 2014-05-17T21:31:13+00:00

When it comes to women that clearly know they are attractive, wait for them to ask you for help if you do want to do anything.

2014-05-18T03:22:39+00:00

I agree. I love helping people who are weaker (poorer, less attractive guys, etc) than me.

2014-05-17T18:13:34+00:00

This is so fucking true.

2014-05-17T20:29:01+00:00

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whyalwaysm3 · 2014-05-17T22:51:27+00:00

Reminds me of a time I fucked up trying to help a good-looking single mother while I was riding the bus. Saw her come in with her cute little kid, must have been about 3 or 4 years old. It was an "ordinary" bus with no air-conditioning, and the windows were rolled up. We were going down the highway at a very fast speed so I could see it was bothersome for her to have to sit next to a window with her long brown hair. I walked up to their seat near the middle of the bus from all the way in the back to try and push the window down. It wouldn't budge. Apparently it was stuck. After about a minute of trying she blurted out "No thanks it's fine" and so I resigned back to my seat. Felt like a bit of a chump, right there. Moments later she got off the bus when she realized she got on the wrong one anyway.

40_SixandTwo · 2014-05-18T03:36:24+00:00

Right on. I think the biggest thing, is from what I've observed, a beta most of the time only helps an attractive woman, in the hopes that she'll put out in return.

It's awesome to see someone be helpful and kind across the board because it's the right thing to do.

Being a good person does not mean showering someone in gifts and obeying their every command.

chrisaub · 2014-05-18T04:15:51+00:00

mfw was in that thread

2014-05-17T20:51:16+00:00

For most things, I agree. Kindness for its own sake should come with no strings attached and neither party should feel entitled to the act. In the case of a woman, she sees it as something she's entitled to while the person who's doing the action does not. If anything, this is a form of extortion except it's not using threats but looks.

2014-05-18T09:56:58+00:00

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Sete_Sois · 2014-05-18T17:51:20+00:00

i am exact agreement with that guy

i also do exactly as he does in those scenearios

2014-05-18T18:09:26+00:00

Yeah, but isn't it beta not to pursue every opportunity possible for having sex with a women?

reezyreddits · 2014-05-18T19:49:15+00:00

light bulb just went off in my head

Rooibosisboss · 2014-05-18T22:29:44+00:00

I think I've finally made peace with this. I've been raised by my strict old school British father. Pleasant manners/decorum/etiquette etc. I've recently since swallowing the pill started to get angry at how women in general and particularly young attractive ones are like this. However I really feel that I like being the way I am and will do for them what I would do for anyone.

I had started going out of my way not doing nice things for attractive women, but I realized that was petty and stooping to their level. So I still do everything I normally would for a hot girl as I would for anyone else and if they don't a appreciate that's fine. I know I did the right thing in my mind. I just certainly won't do more for a hot woman than I would do for a man child or elderly person.

My dad (who is actually pretty red pill now after swallowing I can see this more clearly) told me how I act in front of people in terms of etiquette chivalry and decorum is really just 2 things.

Selflessness and Restraint

Do it because it's right and good and don't ever expect the same in return, it's your obligation to yourself to know you did the right/good thing.

It's not fair to expect a thank you when you hold open a door for anybody. You only held it open because you felt it was right. It would be an ill act of manners to expect anything in return.

Be the bigger man.

those are my thoughts and im sticking to them

2014-05-19T01:53:49+00:00

It's so strange reading all of this. I just came to this subreddit after having similar suspicions about how our American society is turning out and while I'm not completely convinced, I can feel myself harmonizing with this way of thinking. It doesn't seem misogynistic, it doesn't seem aggressive, it seems self-affirming. Even my own mama thinks like this - she said to me a few times, much to my immense surprise, 'Girls these days are becoming demanding bitches who become self-righteous as they grow obese'. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's surprising considering that she's known as a new-age ex-hippy queen (she's pretty cool).

I haven't thought about this for a long time though because I moved to China. The women are very, very different here - honestly it's worse if you look at how they are on TV, in movies...Asian men in film and media are often treated as dopey, having their slender little fairy wives/girlfriends either stealing their food, beating them, yelling at them, or being subjected to general emotional castration.

At the same time as the public is getting a kick out of watching men be subjected to feminization and horrible, screaming harpy women, they're told how they have to get married, find a young woman, make lots of money, be strong, stand up for their family, etc. etc...and yet I see almost no positive, powerful male role models in the media.

It's amazing though, how this changes as a foreign man, and in my experience I haven't had to be any more macho or tough than I'm used to being - in fact my success with women here in China has come from kindness, respect (for myself and her), and humor. I hate to say it but race definitely plays some role here; I see how Chinese women behave toward Chinese men and how they behave toward me, and it really is a striking difference that makes me kind of sad.

Now I have the woman of my dreams. She's gorgeous, she's a rebel, she can cook, and because I treat her like a queen she treats me like an emperor! She does my laundry, she cleans the floors (I help because I feel bad watching her labor alone), she makes sure I'm comfortable and all of this without asking me to do anything in return. I asked her why, and she said 'I'm your girlfriend, my love for your makes me want to do care for you!' This is shocking to me because she's Ms. Independence, defying her family, defying society's demands and pretty much doing as she pleases, but wholly giving herself to me. I've seen this with other foreigners who come to Asia to find women here. I've even had women here who weren't my girlfriend, prior to this one, who would clean my house, cook for me, and generally treat me very well despite the fact that our relations were mostly sexual in nature.

I find myself wondering how hard it would be to find a woman as wonderful as the one I'm seeing back in the West.

watersign · 2014-05-19T02:54:13+00:00

haha, this is funny and 100% true. i always help people in a public setting, whether its an old lady who needs help carrying something or giving someone directions.

2014-05-18T01:33:22+00:00

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2014-05-17T18:26:18+00:00

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Title	4chan post discussing the difference between being a beta and being a good person
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Date	May 17, 2014 6:09 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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