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[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think something that needs to be communicated on this sub more is that we talk about self-improvement to get into the top 20% of men... but DOESN'T TAKE A LOT.
The median for men is extremely low. The 70th percentile is much closer to the 30th percentile than to the 80th, if that makes sense.
I spent 3 months working out, got some shirts from H & M, and just started asking for girls number and it was like night and day.
You quickly realize that 80% of dudes are just chumps.
[–]MikeAlphaGolf8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Never a truer word spoken on TRP.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How long did it take you to actually look like you were going to the gym?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I would say about 6 weeks of strength training, weight loss, and diet improvement.
If you're overweight and have never lifted before, you can easily lose 15 lbs and put on a little muscle in that time if you bust your ass.
[–]kolluminko0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
they do not want to hear this
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha, hear that it takes hard work or that you actually can see the improvements you've been telling yourself you can't?
[–]ExitAscend23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
In the UK, 25% of people are obese. 66% are obese or overweight. Thus not being fat automatically makes you above average. And that's before you even hit the gym...
[–]stawek12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not that simple.
Women are just as fat and it completely changes the dynamics there.
A woman wants a big man. How does her instincts know he's big? Well, bigger than herself is a good start. A man who is average height and skinny is actually smaller than those women and has little chance with them. I am not talking about land whales, just those slightly chubby but still attractive girls.
All you have left are the skinny girls. Guess what, exactly the ones Chads go after.
[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
deleted What is this?
[–]kolluminko11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
isn't this a fine era to slay left and right, gentlemen. topnotch.
[–]maje56785 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Keep in mind majority of those people are over 35 but I get your point
[–]tirmanadir0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a bit misleading though. While it's true, the majority of obese people are married and middle-aged. The people you're competing against for women aren't nearly as fat as that cohort. The percentage of young, single guys that are obese is far lower.
[–]johnwhogotcrucified35 points36 points37 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Took some time to read. I think none of us like average in our lives. Although average is basically our social norm today. Taught to us by our parents, teachers, media and feminist brainwashed governemnts. We all are egomaniacs and spoiled for that matter. Average women will always want hot men. Average men will always want hot women. And it's ok as long as you accept the fact. The ones that are praised and put on the pedestals by many couldn't exist without average. The difference is that we, men, usually have lower standards. It's easy to attract us. Like one of my beloved stand up comedians (Louis CK) said: women fuck up, men fuck down. So the average women can happily stay average and don't do shit about it and still get lots of attention as long as they know how to manipulate men. When men can never afford such a comodity. It's painful. It's hard to admit. But guess what? LIFE AIN'T FAIR. The sooner you accept this truth the sooner your inner peace will come. The sooner the red pill will bring you back to the real world. Good news is, that by accepting the problem you're already one huge step closer to getting cured from the corrupt thiking. Like Einstein said: the same way of thinking won't solve the problem that such thinking created (my own paraprhase). So change like the OP encouraged you to do. Slowly but steadily build confidence. I lived 27 years in believing my mom, my female friends and the world around me that you have to be yourself. FUCK NO. The only time you get to be yourself is after cumming on some teens face and feeling good about yourself. Take it away ladies and gentlemen! Great inspirational / problem solving post.
One more thing: women don't invest so much in themselves as successful men do. Take great pride in that. Know that sacrifice is what makes you a great man.
[–]vagbutters7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
women don't invest so much in themselves as successful men do
Which is why they end up settling for a mediocre beta most of the time after taking countless alpha cock in their youth. They end up being single mothers or unhappily married women, looking to cheat, with minimal financial means in spite of leeching off their partners.
[–]johncrcf7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women KNOW that there will always be sugar daddys. A girl who rejected me in most gruesome way possible and whom I wanted to still stay friends with, told me how there was a small rich fat guy who bought her drinks and basically fed her money. She admitted how pathetic and unattractive to her that guy was. She said she could have exploited that shit till absurdity. Then she gave him some average sex out of pitty once. When I heard it I almost puked. But then again I was still trying to be a nice guy to her and didn't say anything but she noticed my look, even asked me as if nothing important was said: "what's up with you? is something wrong?"
[+]grass_cutter-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Wait, what? Women fuck up, men fuck down?
Not sure I agree with that.
I'd say I've mostly fucked on my level, but occasionally I've fucked above my paygrade. That's a lot easier with men; maybe you find some weird model who likes your look, or you got lucky, she was horny, you were the only one there.
Women can't really "fuck up" unless a man has a BAC of 0.250 or higher. I mean yeah I see a fat manatee bringing home a Brad Pitt character all the time ... right ...
What Louie was grasping at is probably the fact that the average woman is a lot more attractive than the average man (or in another way, men have lower standards to begin with).
[–]50-50-fitpic-dickpic4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it's the general bluepill population he's talking about, with women fucking up and men fucking down, which I agree with. TRP seeks to change men's direction though.
[–]tallwheel4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Men date down, women date up. I think this is a fairly well-accepted principle in RP circles.
[–]grass_cutter-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's news to me. That's sad. I personally date up. Why would I date down when I can bamboozle hot chicks.
If I were dating down -- aka warpigs ... I might as well put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.
[–]tallwheel0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another commenter addressed this, but we're not talking about you, or even redpillers, just what typical men tend to do.
When it comes to who we are willing to fuck, men are often willing to bone something with a pussy that looks modestly not disgusting, while women tend to hold out for someone 1 or 2 points above them.
It gets more complicated, of course, once you add post-wall women with beta bucks, but I suppose it makes more sense when you realize how low in SMV post-wall women actually are.
[–]johncrcf1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Hey, Grass! What I meant was that average women usually don't consider themselves average and have more chances to score an alpha buck rather than an average man without any real investment in themselves. I believe that for many it is only a question of spreading her legs at the right time and the right places. WOmen have always been master manipulators. It's not that hard for her to put on some makeup (which we can't do) to get drunk together with some physically attractive guy and fuck. Of course the other day the guy will probably want to kill it with fire but you know, at least she will feel better about her self and her inflated self value will boost even more.
I have been beta for so long I know it from bitter experience. Had this one girl who friendzoned me. The only advantage is that when they don't consider you fuckable material they tell everything. And by everything I mean EVERYTHING.
[–]grass_cutter2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I guess it depends if you're talking relationship or quickly blowing a load.
In the prior case, a woman never fucks up.
In the latter case ... a quick sloppy drunken fuck, NSA, just suck a guy's dick for him ... well yes, even an alpha male will empty a load into a 6 or 7 if he can't find anything else that night. I don't exactly think that's the prime directive of women, though. They realize there is no sport in it. They try to compete to see who can 'boyfriend' so and so.
In that case, the women are usually reaching a bit down. That's because there are less alpha males than very attractive women ...
Eh, at the end of the day I'm saying this: A woman has her looks and makeup and clothes and that's about it ... a man has quite a few parlor tricks (including fame) that allow a homely guy to fuck dime pieces. That was my point. Roseanne Bar is famous but it means fuck all.
You see ugly men with pretty women all the time. You don't see the reverse too often. A hot guy with a fat hog by his side.
[–]johncrcf1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel you. And get your point as well. For LTR material average women have to give amazing BJ's and lick alpha's anuses to get them to commit and still it's a slimshot. But the mentality is still there. That they are entitled to such,
[–]FuckOffDoxxers1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
a hot guy with a fat hog by his side
Lol, except in the enlisted ranks. See it all the fucking time in the commissary. Some guy who's a 7 or 8 with an absolute hamplanet wildebeast waddling right alongside him. Knew a SSgt who had model level looks, but was married to more or less Jabba the Hutt's little sister. One of my fellow Corporals managed to lock himself down a girl who was a solid 8, 9 when she tried, and about a two years later she's in sub 5 territory with the amount of weight she has gained. But this is all personal experience.
[–]grass_cutter-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well yes, there are notable exceptions.
Such as being on a desert island. Then yes, if you're the only dude (or girl) in an island of the opposite sex, you are now the only option, and will fuck who you want.
I assume that military guy had limited options, so he fucked a porker the entire time. After being in a submarine for 6 months with no women in sight, he'd probably fuck just about anything.
Married guy is different. He married a 9 and possibly pair bonded, she got fat as fuck, society obligations and habits and emotional investment makes him continue to plow her.
[–]itchyvoid24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You turned the beta guy into Elliott Rodger
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You mean supreme gentleman?
[–]jab10235 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've personally found Law 38 to really help with ambition/killer instinct in my work environment. I work in an environment that is skewed towards female mindset. There is a lot of complaining, "I'm too busy," etc. But all of our people report directly to men. So I've kind of learned to act diplomatic about things, even when it's tough to do so. I had a woman about a month ago tell me I was only getting promotions because I was male. Even though I was annoyed, I played it cool and smiled and said, "OH, that's how it is?"
The reality is I've excelled in my career because I get shit done, don't whine at every turn, don't miss a day of work per week, and don't come in to work dressed like I'm going to a fucking Kid Rock concert, even though no one would really care if I did.
I would also add that it is super important to buy clothes that fit and accentuate your good features aesthetically. You wouldn't believe the increase in looks you get if you're in decent shape and are wearing form fitting shirts.
[–]PhilipHimself4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hey bro, thanks for the post man. Good quality shit!
[–]1empatheticapathetic4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Awesome post, really resonated with me. Cheers
[–]LexaBinsr17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
Great post, but..
"you just need to be above average" shows a photo of a guy who is way above average
"you just need to be above average"
shows a photo of a guy who is way above average
The guy on the left is not as easy as you make it seem. It is a good goal but not easy.
Edit: Fuck, I love this part.
You probably already know this, but maybe you have deluded yourself into thinking everyone is as asshole.
[–]stawek12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bullshit.
The guy on the left is achievable to anybody in their twenties within a year (longer only if morbidly obese). Literally, every young guy will look like that after a year of solid exercise and good diet.
He isn't insanely low fat, not insanely muscular, just solid, healthy physique. Mind that vascularity on his arms is probably the result of pump from recent exercise. He is only way above average cause the average man these days looks like shit.
It took me personally one year of half assed (before i got on a solid plan) and a year of solid exercise to get to that from very skinny. I am 36, naturally small frame. Gained 20lb in that time, too.
[–]LexaBinsr3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess if you take skinny into context. Just exercising and eating. But cutting before that and then doing it I guess it takes longer.
I mean I've been trying to get my legs better before doing anything and I work out 6x a week. I let my legs go chub and not follow the rest while I was losing weight (went from 300 to 200).
[–]LookThroughRedEyes0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Almost looks like the same guy just different lighting.
[–]RenaissanceMan790 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm in the same boat as you (37, ectomorph) and was thinking the same thing that the one on the left is easily achievable (if you're not obese). I've put on 6lbs in 2 months, I expect to have gained 20 by the spring and pretty much look like that. It will take time, but start today, a year isn't really that much.
[–]Czollo5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
the guy on the right is def on gear
[–]dissentforall0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude I was bigger and just as lean at 20, he's probably just prepping for a shoot. You'd be amazed what a water cut, good lighting and oiling up does for aesthetics.
hardcore high volume hypertrophy work and good diet will yield a lot of results if you have the balls to train at high intensity levels all the time.
As someone who's worked as a trainer , I can tell you that the amount of people who have that inner savage in them when it comes to training are very rare.
Most of the industry does run winstrol/anavar, clen and test though, atleast intermittently.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Finally someone who gets it. That look is a gear look. Natty bodies look like shit seriously lol
[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course I got downvoted. They won't get it that fitness models use gear to look like that on the right (I forgot whose body that is).
Without those things you mentioned the most they can hope for is balloon sized but strong or dyel look.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No way,
I got better than the guy on the left in 1.5 years, starting as a skinny ecto. Train at least 3 days a week and count your calories/macros, easy.
[–]LexaBinsr2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
1.5 years isnt easy tho. Thats like 500+ days.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
3-4 hours a week, lets say for 70 weeks, so 200-300 hours. Twenty days of 10 hours...
First month is the hardest, most people quit. Then you get used to it, your body needs it, easy it becomes.
Many people spend 10 times more time every week in front of the TV or computer.
[–]Lawojin0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The guy on the left does not have a lot of muscle mass, which is the time consuming part. Judging from his Abs hes arround 10% bodyfat and flexing, losing fat can be a fast proces although taxing on your willpower at first.
OP's whole point was to make lifting and eating well a habit, habits consume a lot less will power.
I agree with OP's view on this. Its not hard and certainly not time consuming (went from 15,5% to 9% bodyfat in 5 weeks) but you will need some tools and knowledge to do it
[–]phate0451-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not if you're obese. Normal dude could get into lifting and look like this in 3 months.
[–]grass_cutter7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
3 months if they have an iron will and know what they are doing, and even that would be remarkable.
Realistically, would take a 8-12 months to go from those skinny-fat bloated pics to a shredded ripped look. That's because you do need a strength phase and a cut phase no matter how you slice it.
[–]tirmanadir1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're just skinny-fat, you don't need a cut phase. Although I may be misunderstand that term. My understanding of it is that you're skinny, but all the weight you do have is fat because you've pretty much 0 muscle. If you're in that situation, simply building muscle should get you ripped since you didn't have much fat in the first place.
[–]t_mat4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amazing post man. Helpful in order to keep aiming our goal. Thank you very much.
[–]tirmanadir4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Speaking of style, I think the reason why most guys just wear generic shirts and jeans is because it's just so much safer. What some people consider well dressed, others consider pansy-ish or gay. What some people think is currently in fashion is just a retarded trend to someone else. You have to spend a hell of a lot more and put a hell of a lot more effort into dressing stylishly, only to put yourself at risk of looking stupid.
[–]Faymozilla6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TLDR: lift fuck sluts don't be beta
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Sources: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/looks-and-style/good-looking-vs-looking-good http://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/social-freedom/killer-instinct/killer-instinct http://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/be-above-average
Edit: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maaaybe it's Multiple Discovery. At least you didn't link your own blog and try to sell something. It doesn't really hurt anyone to get this information more widespread anyway. It's good shit and effective advice... but if you did read his stuff it would be a great idea not to claim it. The wording is what had me suspicious... no one else has called it 'killer instinct' that I'm aware of.
[–]Watitdoboo2 5 points5 points5 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Pretty sure neither of them invented the phrase "killer instinct" and it's pretty natural to apply it in this context. I'd give the benefit of the doubt.
I guess it just set off alarm bells since I've literally read all the articles on his website and I've been here for almost 3 years too... and it's the first time I've heard the phrase used that way, let alone all of his major concepts compiled together.
Still, I'm not complaining. People need to hear this stuff. We're all like minded, and it's only a matter of time that great ideas either pop up in multiple people's heads or the information spreads and becomes common sense. Zeitgeist and all that.
[–]BestSC862 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lots of good material, but I am struck by how some of your advice while 100% accurate for 80% of the globe...here in the American South, there are large gaps in some of the suggestions.
The current top predator in the mating game here are chubby, neckbeard, doofuses whom buy their clothes and lawn equipment at the same hardware store.....in fact, being a conformist yokel with a pickup truck whom idea of quality conversations are fart jokes and whom idea of interesting adventure is "huntin" bambi from a tree stand while throwing back vienna sausages.
If have to listen one more time to a girl gush about her booooyfriend killing a 5 pt deer and how smart he was to plant the wheat patch back in the summer, I think I will puke.
Yes you heard that right...these morons think that planting a patch of food for deer and then waiting for them to come graze is actually hunting...the last one got tiffed when I asked why he wasted the energy and tell her "man" to just set up the tree stand over at the local dairy farm and pick off a couple of jersey cows.
[–]RedBaron2000 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, that was an interesting read...
[–]marinewannabee972 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyone browsing this sub ought to be familiar with the 80:20 paradigm. To have any chance one cannot float around at 50%. Even the top 30% is not good enough. You must aim for the top 20% of men, how you get there is entirely up for you but this is the number where life gets remarkably easier.
[–]1takethedive1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Saved for future reference.
[–]KarmaKingKong1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is there a reason sunglasses / aviators/ ray bans weren't included? They won't go with suits and I'm unsure what they'd go with.
[–]kolluminko1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
"style" is for men. "fashion" is for women and boys. so please, for gods sake, dont be this guy with his t-shirt hanging down to his knees because some fags told him its cool this season. prepare for an edge.
you wear your clothes and not the other way around.
[–]maldittoduende 6 points6 points6 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're absolutely right! Word of advice to anyone reading this: do NOT go on male fashion advice subreddit.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone there is obsessed with that clark boots j.crew travel photographer look.
frugalmalefashion is pretty good though. I find lots of cool stuff on sale there. Nothing beats hitting up a thrift store in a trendy urban neighborhood though (ex: williamsburg in Brooklyn or SOHO in Manhattan) Get designer clothes for cheaper than shit at target.
[–]guillaum630 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Where do you recommend for advice on style?
[–]maldittoduende 3 points3 points3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I like Alpha M. and Jose... Zuniga? Something like that. Both are on YouTube. I agree with them that keeping it simple but well fitted and throwing a little accessory here and there is the way to go, but that's just me, man. Style is very personal. I guess a good place to start is narrowing down what you're really into, rocker, urban, etc, and finding men who dress like that and are good at it. If shit looks crazy, like something out of Zoolander, I'd stay away from it. I'd also stay away from the guys who dress well but they look like employee of the month. The well dressed, well groomed betabucks if you will. And suit up. Every man needs a tailored suit and most people agree on how it should fit. Again, YouTube is full of this content.
[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 2 points2 points2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
My entire personal life would be the anti-thesis to this, I´m like above average everything and let me tell you, that doesn´t excite anybody I´ve ever met.
I hate how unexceptional I am. The only things about myself that stand out emerge only on deeper knowledge, and they get 0 umpfh. "Oh you speak colloquial chinese? Thats interesting...I guess. Wait theres Chad, who doesn´t even speak 1 language properly, but the way he says Suck it whore really turns me on". I can argue about the postulates of Euclid, talk about the origins of political Islam and I could whip a kayaking trip around the entire Northen European archipelago without store bought food or shelter, I could also take you to the gym and bench 1.2x bodyweight and my last contract made 300k profit off of the project I created for them and now has VC´s sucking his dick for equity. Yeah no, I´ll the take the surprise fisting Chad, the stab-wound scar on his hand feels so great against my vaginal walls.
Inb4 "bitter", this wasn´t written in affect, just my 2cents about being above average. Edit: To clarify again, not a sympathy post, just chiming in with my 28 year anecdote on the theory of OP.
[–]grass_cutter12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You seem below average when it comes to confidence, jealousy, and bitterness.
You're focusing on the wrong things. I graduated valedictorian of my 3k high school and went to an elite private university: and even I don't give a shit about the postulates of Euclid. At all. Let alone will some bar bimbo. Girls don't give a fuck about intellectualism; in fact it's a turn-off. General intelligence is maybe a minor positive; that's more to do with how it can power you socially and financially.
Girls also don't give a shit how much you can bench. They just care about how much you LOOK like you can bench. Aka how ripped you are.
Go back to the drawing board. You are trying to attract WOMEN, not a female analog of yourself. Keep that in mind.
EDIT: Also take a look at (r slash) malefashionadvice (thanks TRP automod). If you look ANYTHING like those pictures, you probably look like a pansy. This is what not to do. Add some edge. You're not getting into the hottest club in town in a knit tie; nor the hottest vag in town.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While you missed the point of my post (if you read my post history, you'll see I posted about why malefashionadvice is shit just 2 days ago) I appreciate the advice about who to try to attract. My confidence is fine and I'm not bitter, I think what you guys call 8's are party sluts, I'm talking young professional women with looks and niveau.
Just the other month before summer vacation, this girl from college messaged me about getting together across the atlantic. We met abroad several years ago, she is from the US and was a cheerleading captain, i fucked her friend who was a 7 while she was a solid fuckin 10. She is now at 28 post wall, alpha widowed and wants me to come visit her in the US because omg i miss you so much. Like what ? We just hung around eachother cause i was banging her friend who is now married. Turns out she was just putting out feelers for a husband. It's not as simple as AF/BB all the time, sexual strategy is a winner-takes-all contest.
[–]grass_cutter5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah if you're talking trans-atlantic, most people won't make that trip for simply sex, unless it was amazing sex and they have some cash to burn.
Yeah if you're targeting some cultural elite professional women who go to the theater every weekend, that's a different market. I personally just need a hot bimbo to dump loads into, and I'm also about 28.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am below you on almost every measure yet I have had more than my fair share of success with women. It is never easy, but I think the thing you are lacking most is GAME. I have never given this advice before but you would do well to sink most of your time into PUA websites and logic. You already have most of the basic TRP stuff dealt with (lift, appearance, looks) so what you are missing is GAME. Take a loooong break from TRP. Read lots of free PUA threads and websites (DO NOT buy their stuff, you can get it all for free online) and implement. You will be swimming in pussy within weeks. If I am wrong, you get your money back ;)
[–]Conceited-Monkey0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What the heck does PUA have to do with logic? For PUA materials to make sense you pretty much have to suspend disbelief. In any event, if the guy is already stuck in his own head too much, giving him information on how to talk and act differently is a great way to completely skull fuck him.
[–]sierratangovictor2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Couldn't agree more.
I guess you are coming across as the guy who goes and gets it, which kinda conflicts with the abundance mentality. You seem like a guy who is always chasing his prey. In older days, you were the kind of guy who helped to expand the tribes but dies alone, 'cause you are not exactly offering that feeling what the reptile brain perceives as safe and content...
Know what I mean?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Thats the exact feeling I have! I am the safe backup choice thats hot enough for her to feel attraction and with the right residuals to build a fullfilling life, she'd be interested but Chad is still available so... For her to fuck me on the first date would require just a teeny weeny extra, just that extra cocktail or the slightly better social proof. It used to really fucking bother me from 16-24 but since discovering TRP and now 28 I give less of a fuck. I'll strike out on an 8, but when the 5-6 offers I just feel insulted and go home and call it a night, I used to settle for them and feel really empty inside about the disparity between what I bring to the table vs them. So for all the guys calling me betabux, it's not happening, I'm not Jim from The Office in Season 1, but I am also not the guy from Mad Men, there is a gap there which is "above average" and its not particularly great. In marketing they even talk about this, there is no market for "slightly better quality, slightly better price".
[–]sierratangovictor0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As long as there is chad, and the society encourages fucking around, no matter how great you are, you will never get anywhere close to chad.
In such a society, your safer bet is to be less than that great, then at least you will be a star within reach. You come across as overwhelmingly good anyone can safely fall back to - but don't want to - cause even when you are great one, your offer of "security" still comes across as "being offered" .
You are outspoken about Euclid/ Islam, you are organizing trips to North Europe, you are offering the "service". This value that you bring on the table is taken for granted. Sorry to hear about your situation tho.
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I agree, I mean the idea that just being better than average in our current culture is enough would go against everything in the sidebar. The 80/20 rule is real. If you are in the 21st percent, welcome to the world of mediocre pussy. Chad is available to 6-7's, thats why we see these fucking retarded standards like "hey im a useless high n-count narcisist, you better be rich smart and jacked cause i'm worth it". When you see that, your first reaction should be to deduce that she struck gold once on some thirsty Chad. The entire reason I found TRP is cause i upped my offer on a top-top girl, easily a 9, with all the commitment she could want. I got in return: to share her with 8 other dudes over 5 years and lots of money, when I found out I dumped her along with most of my empathy for female strangers. So, shame on me but I can't get fooled again, but OP shouldn't get peoples hopes up with false premises.
[–]sierratangovictor1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely!
The other thing is that there is always some statistical noise to every metric. Even if you are in the top 10% in one metric, and in top 21% in another, chances are (but not a necessity) you will be considered to be in the 21% bin.
[–]mehdreamer1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe you should work on your Charisma...because on paper..you have everything to "Kill"
[–]Bodybuilder14531 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
they probably see you as a nice guy, that is why.
Sounds like you're thinking of your pro's in a strictly literal sense.
Sure you have all this stuff going for you.. But right off the bat I can tell you're insecure.. Thinking that you're not tall enough to call yourself tall even though you're 6'1".
I see it again when you compare yourself to Chad coming in with his leather jacket and jeans even though you're styling in your semi-formal casual look. You see yourself as a step up from a dude who wears cargo shorts.
It seems to me like you have self-esteem issues and this is keeping you from truly developing any kind of charisma that's needed to woo a chick. Since you lack this charisma, you're probably not putting in much effort (if any) to approach and meet women.
Remember, women want to be approached. They want men to be men and take the lead. A woman approaching a man is pretty rare, though it does happen.
If you want to get over this, you need to stop comparing yourself to other guys and just learn to be in the moment and have fun with women. Stop thinking of other people as "better" than you.
I can tell you, I´m insecure yes but am very charismatic (=can hide insecurity and make her laugh uncontrollably), the format of the post seems to have come off as conceited or autistic, I was just simply making the argument that 80/20 is real. The comparative format was just a way of argument. I will say this though, like girls 5-6 and below, I could not give a hint of a fuck what they think about me. It is genuine IDGAF, almost to the point of me not even acknowledging their existence, and so i admit to being very judgemental. I care deeply about the opinion of a few people and certain groupings of people, like smart people.
Since I am attractive enough to garner attention from hot girls, I am aware of it and being checked out is uncomfortable for me at first. Once i build rapport its a different story, I´ll relish getting checked out. I much prefer sports, I´d be out there, driving the lane for and-ones, banging the boards with dudes 7 feet tall and getting the fucking ball, firing up my teammates etc. I could care less if I have blood coming out of my mouth, limping, jersey tucked weirdly etc.
the format of the post seems to have come off as conceited or autistic
I didn't think so at all, there's the insecurity rearing its head again.
I was in the same boat for a while. Decent looking enough to get the attention of a 7 but super insecure around women. However, like you.. I was comfortable in more "masculine" situations. I could take a beating, been in bar fights before etc..
I would suggest taking some time to just befriend some women and get comfortable around them.. It's like going to the gym. Your first day, you have no fucking clue what you're doing but if even if you just stick to machines, hey that's progress.
Don't do this to make sexual advances though, just form regular friendships. If you know any women with similar hobbies, taste in music, movies or whatever.. Just invite them out to go see a movie or a band you both like.. Sort of like a date, but like you would with your bros. Literally just friend zone yourself.
I know a lot of posters here might think this is stupid, but being at a college with a large female (pun intended, but at the same time not lol) demographic I find myself just hanging with lots of girls. Some of them are your typical vapid drama queens, but some are pretty chill too.
Anyway in this experience, I've become way more comfortable going on tinder dates and such. Meeting up with women isn't as much of a big deal.. Also severely cutting back on smoking weed helped with social anxiety a lot.
Yea its getting ridiculous out there lol. To slay consistently now its model looks or nothing (better stated work for it).
[–]1ItsTheHomeWrecker0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]johncrcf-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But you probably lack one thing Chad has. Wanna guess what it is? FUCK IT. I won't tell you. Come closer and ask me, (bitch) :)
[–]MrBowlfish0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This seems a repost of something written on GoodLookingLoser.com. No credit given?
[–]maldittoduende 4 points4 points4 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Do you mean this is literally word by word a repost? Because it's not. It's all me. I'm sure GLL talks about these things as well, if that's what you mean.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Definitely agree with u/MrBowlfish. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but these are straight up his concepts. I've read all his content, and "Looks, Style, Social Freedom, and Killer Instinct are the 4 concepts he's talked about for years. I haven't heard anyone else straight up list those things grouped together (minus social freedom). He even has an article literally on this topic "be above average".
Sources:
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/looks-and-style/good-looking-vs-looking-good
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/social-freedom/killer-instinct/killer-instinct
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/be-above-average
Great post. Though I can't wait for some people to start chiming in how looks and status are irrelevant compared to "game".
[–]Bigmachiavelli0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is very good info in this post. However, once I saw killer instinct it reminded me a goodlookingloser post that had the same info.
I went back to read it and it's as if you collated 3 or 4 of his posts and posted it here verbatim. It's possible both of you came to the exact same conclusions. If that's the not the case please give credit to the originator.
[–]aanarchist-5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
knowing how to make her orgasm by just writing a text or by talking to her helps.
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