Buzzfeed: Women's Ideal Body Types Throughout History

Stayinghereforreal · 2015-02-28T23:17:28+00:00

Marilyn was slim and smoking hot when she started. When she got fat, she was on the slide career-wise. People point to large, later period and say, "See!"

Bullshit. Look at her Playboy shoot. Enough said.

Kepaso · 2015-02-28T23:23:47+00:00

Jesus, 20 700 000 views for this propaganda. I cannot comprehend what kind of hamstering these people did for creating such garbage.

90% of the models hired in this video are extreme, even wtf worthy.

I really doubt ancient artists were painting and sculpting female bodies for exciting the average male, most of the art was made in a prudish way because of religion and society pressure. So most of the ancient art we see are commissions made to be public or shown in a temple/church.

Nevertheless they were not huge women like Buzzfeed is trying to make us believe.

Here is a greek statue . Nothing like the video.

Italian renaissance Nothing sexy, but far from the hambeast from Buzzfeed.

Bonus 3 for 1

Victorian woman. Yup. Still thin.

Golden age of Hollywood

And this is what a ideal body type was in the 60'S , not a twiggy or heroin chic model like they say. Yeah you could see those kind of girls in fashion magazine, but the average guy was more likely to have a Samantha Fox poster than a Kate Moss one.

moodymela · 2015-02-28T23:11:25+00:00

It's unfortunate for one reason. No matter how much the fatties protest and shame men into thinking that fat is beautiful it won't happen. Men will always like curvaceous and fit women for obvious genetic reasons. This is itself isn't sad, in fact they deserve the denial they've built themselves. However, the fewer fit and healthy women there are, the more valueable they are. So the more women that fall for this fat acceptance bullshit and let themselves go this will drive up the SMV of every other woman that wasn't so foolish. This means that men will have to work harder to obtain any of the much lower supply of fit women.

It's a vicious cycle.

hillthekhore · 2015-03-01T00:19:51+00:00

I find some irony in the fact that they call the postmodern look "waifish" when the whole message is about body acceptance.

hamsterbator · 2015-02-28T23:54:59+00:00

Marilyn Monroe being plus sized is a huge myth:

http://imgur.com/vBvsCnR

See how she stacks up next to a modern day model.

q--- · 2015-03-01T16:38:49+00:00

Any time I see something like this, it just reminds me of this image:

http://i.imgur.com/MMdocdc.jpg

Just a reminder that boys would be expected to "harden up" if they somehow felt insecure by He-man, but we sympathize with girls and try to bubble-wrap them.

If I say that girls should harden up a little and not be so worried about what's on billboards etc, I'm somehow a misogynist. "I don't like it, so you have to change it" is the motto of entitled feminists. The average woman really ought to find it insulting, because the feminists are effectively saying women are weak, and (as a society) we're agreeing by complying.

Sesa_Refum · 2015-03-01T21:07:40+00:00

I was wondering when t/r/p would pull this up. Hilarious peice of pro-fat propaganda.

I see that all the girls are in body shaping leotards that make the bigger girls look nicer, emphasizing the vital, universal "waist-hip ratio". The leotards make their bodies, to the male brains watching, appear firm, smooth and clean hiding flabs, muffin-tops, etc. from view. They have toned arms (no grandma wings, as fatties usually have) and fat that you usually see in the neck and face are nowhere to be seen in these romanticized plus-size models meaning their heads remain attractive and their facial features prominent, with makeup to top it all off. These cute, chubby, "all the right curves" models are what fat American hippo-girls want to think they look like.

Then I see that in describing big girls they use flattering vernacular like "curvy" & " full-figured" but in describing the thin women they try to implant into your mind an association to subtly shaming language like "boyish" and "waif". 1920's girl was top BTW.

Most of what they're trying to show you is lies as well. Fat women have never been seen as the standard of attractiveness in any part of the world. Hip-waist ratio is the main important factor, but small size and proportion indicate femininity to males. People who claim fat women were once seen as attractive are basing this off the fact that painters of the Middle-Age often painted big, chubby girls. What is not publicized is that these painters who drew fatties did so in jest.

Thin, feminine with a 0.7 hip-waist ratio and ideal body-fat distribution were always attractive, and this changes only slightly dependent on economic background. (Low-class societies like large bottoms, Mid-High class societies prefer large breasts and long legs; Americas decay into it's current infatuation with ass compared to the preference for long legs in the earlier 1900's is an example of this; see Return of Kings' Americas Booty article)

BTW to claim that anyone sought after sickly-thin druggies in the 90's is absurd, an outright lie. Also Marilyn Monroe being fat is a myth, 23" waist. Even in the images you posted she's not "big" by any means. Not my Marilyn.

token_stache · 2015-02-28T23:46:55+00:00

I think if anything the view of what types of women are attractive and men have narrowed.

You can be skinny or curvy if a woman (think January Jones and the usual thin model type). With men you used to be able to look rougher or less tradionally handsome (look at pictures of Steve McQueen or Humphrey Bogart, I doubt either would be leading men).

As men one key advantage we have is with work a guy can get the ideal body type (height aside) a guy can be cut, he can be bulky, or lean. Men's attractiveness from the neck down is mostly about muscle. A woman really has only the option if she isn't naturally shapely to tone up. She doesn't control where her fat goes, just how much and bulking up into a she hulk or a lady bear isn't gonna make her sexier.

cocoguard · 2015-03-01T15:43:36+00:00

Oh I'm so sick of this shit, fat has never been cute and slight shifts in the style aren't worth writing about. The women that are worth talking to aren't gonna believe that crap either.

_TheEndGame · 2015-03-01T01:48:40+00:00

LOL look at those whales. SMH at the what they think Marilyn Monroe looked like.

C_D_O · 2015-03-01T06:03:36+00:00

I dont have references on hand, but I'm pretty sure I remember it being shown that using renaissance paintings of fatties is misleading because the large body of work (pun not intended) was done by one man in particular who was a known chubby chaser.

It'd be like using some kid's deviantart shit to say that men in the 2000s were predominately into anime characters and humanoid looking dogs.

Dayman526 · 2015-03-02T00:18:03+00:00

It's Buzzfeed. Like Elite Daily, I won't bite the click-bait. Their opinions are irrelevant.

[deleted] · 2015-03-01T01:09:12+00:00

Just wanna beat a fatty to a healthy body pulp with a big fat head of celery.

PlebDestroyer · 2015-03-01T01:12:35+00:00

She was sitting down on that big butt But I was still staring at them titties though!!

PlebDestroyer · 2015-03-01T01:14:53+00:00

By dark do we refer to personality? As in bad boy type?

Physist · 2015-03-01T03:29:19+00:00

You know what type of audience they want to appeal to when they say 'rounded stomach' and 'ample bosom' instead of overweight.

PeteMullersKeyboard · 2015-03-01T21:31:40+00:00

Fat Acceptance is one of the most dangerous things (physically) that's happening right now because it's actively encouraging people to be unhealthy. It's obscene.

Everything wrong is right now.

MattyAnon · 2015-03-01T20:28:00+00:00

Women are trying to control your attraction with their usual plan: attacking and shaming men. "Yes I am fat, if you are not attracted to me you are sexist and judgmental!" / "All women are beautiful, don't you dare say otherwise".

The difference between Clark Gable in the 50's and Brad Pitt / Daniel Craig today is the degree of musculature. No 6packs in the 50's. All 6packs today.

I have never seen a real guy with an actual 6pack. Yet we see it everywhere as the ideal in films, magazines (male and female). Most men are nowhere near the male ideal we see. A lot of women are pretty damned close to it.

And who is complaining about this state of affairs? Two guesses, but I think you'll only need one...

planetross2 · 2015-02-28T23:30:00+00:00

How are any of those actors except for Clark Gable the image of tall DARK and handsome. I thought tall dark and handsome is more along the lines of Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, or Jon Hamm.

Nantafiria · 2015-02-28T23:17:10+00:00

Interesting about this video, and this point n general, is that it highlights how men do prefer women of status, regardless of what TRP sometimes claims.

There are posts every so often going 'dudes will prefer young hot women and not care about status or wealth,' and to a degree, this is true. Mick Jagger had thousands of women scream at him despite looking like a troll, whereas Adele will neverhave a similar amount of men lusting after her despite being in a position of simar status. To this extent, 'men want hot women damn the status' is true.

Having said that, the thing men in a certain culture actually consider hot are very often those associated with high status. The quintessential example is skin tone: when over 90% of the people in a society works on farms light skin is a sign of being able to stay indoors and thus wealth and status, whereas tan women probably spent much more time outside and were therefor of low status. But in a culture where people work in factories and offices, tanning becomes a sign of being able to take expensive vacations to France or dole out money for tanning centres. Status!

So yes, men go after hot women rather than women of status, but it's no coincidence that women of status are somehow perceived as more desirable than low-status ones. It's also why I admire the idea behind acceptance movements at least: there is a kernel of truth in saying that attraction is arbitrary to a large degree, and that holding people to unrealistic/unhealthy body standards probably isn't what we should do as a culture.

All that sympathy ends the moment people begin being shrill and shouting how it's terribly evil for men to prefer thin/young women or when they spend no time at all to body standards for men, or spread lies saying that weighing 150 KG without a shred of muscle is totes okay heart disease be damned, or any other of the reasons why the SJW crowdis the self-righteous cesspool it is.

So yeah, screw the SJW bastards and the way they go about things, but at least remember that attraction in men usually equals something along the lines of health + cultural status + youth. Arguing that status in women matters nothing at all is as silly as saying that men totally should all go out and marry 40-year-old career women.

redpillsam · 2015-03-01T05:14:02+00:00

Everything about the body acceptance movement is bullshit. Let's be honest, there are some dudes out there that like BBW. But no, for the average obese woman that's not good enough. They want their body to be considered the ideal body that's featured on runways, in magazines, and on tv. It's not enough that one or two guys with a fat fetish are in to them. It's almost as if it's hypergamy on a global scale.

alanalanson1 · 2015-03-01T20:00:48+00:00

Lol. Having met daniel craig I can tell you he is not tall. He is average height.

scummcdirt · 2015-03-01T23:08:37+00:00

I am amazed at the stupid found in modern people. These articles are nothing but crap. If you do not believe me, just go to a museum. the slightly chubby women are very rare, and non existent in ancient art.

No, the reason why this crap keeps coming up, is because of marketing. The restaurant and junk food industries do not want people to be health centric, as those people do not consume as much. So they are pushing for fatter people.

Dark_Shroud · 2015-03-02T00:05:31+00:00

It's cold out & I'm stuck in the house so I spent an hour watching other Buzzfeed videos. Because I couldn't listen to this one.

Watching the guys go to a gun range was funny. Some of them are amusing.

A few of the women on the crew piss me off. Not shutting up about feminism, patriarchy, or in some cases just looking for stuff to be sexual.

mykonos_rm · 2015-03-03T01:27:20+00:00

Everything that annoys me about my generation's culture is typical Buzzfeed spam.

LukeThompson123 · 2015-03-01T00:44:27+00:00

Yeah some of those models are bigger than the photo they show prior. It's obviously BS

SuperAwesomeness · 2015-03-01T22:18:18+00:00

are people still fretting over this? It is the waist-to-hip ratio that matters.

TreePlusTree · 2015-03-01T12:19:31+00:00

What I love is the backhanded racism that no one seems to notice. The control is implied to be white people (egyptians were arguably Mediterranean or possible half medi, half african, during ancient times), with culture being the variable. How fun is it that we white people get to be generalized!

Disregard that only a small percentage of American men have significant Mediterranean heritage (most examples), that many of our true ancestors are conveniently left out (thousands of years of culture for Germans, Scandinavians, Celts), and that most if not all American examples are forged (as stated in other comments).

Sorry white people, but we're all the same now! Hooray! An entire continent with very detailed history, yet we're all greek and italian now!

UgUgImDyingYouIdiot · 2015-03-01T19:32:32+00:00

They're "progressive" about everything but body types.

tropostil · 2015-03-02T08:33:43+00:00

haha i know the postmodern beauty personally. she falls for red pill behavior so hard....

Title	Buzzfeed: Women's Ideal Body Types Throughout History
Author	tindermaster1986
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Date	February 28, 2015 10:25 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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