Classic from Mike Cernovich. Stop passing shit-tests. Start punishing, instead.

Whisper · 2015-11-29T06:12:36+00:00

The mistake he makes here is to construe the shit test narrowly.

ALL women shit test. It is part of instinctive female behaviour. Bitchy women throw bitchy shit tests, kind and gentle women throw kind and gentle ones, flirtatious women throw flirtatious ones, standoffish women throw standoffish ones, playful women throw playful ones, shy women throw shy ones.

They don't usually even know they are doing it.

What he is talking about isn't crushing shit tests... it's crushing bitchy behaviour.

Expecting women not to shit test is like expecting men to answer personal ads without photos. You cannot be attracted to someone without evaluating the characteristics that make them attractive.

PanzerBatallion · 2015-11-29T14:29:06+00:00

I wrote an article about all the shit I wish I had the balls to say in public.

Everyone is an alpha on the internet.

xinhoj · 2015-11-29T13:35:54+00:00

start punishing women who lack basic human kindness and respect.

Indeed.

At my family's Thanksgiving dinner, I was seated next to my bratty 21-year-old cousin. I had taken a dinner roll and passed the platter in the opposite direction.

"You need to give me a dinner roll," she said.

I turned, looked at her, and wordlessly bit into my dinner roll.

"GIVE ME A DINNER ROLL NOW!"

The platter came back to me. I immediately held it well beyond arm's length from her and started passing rolls to everyone seated next to her. "Thanks xinhoj!" they all said. I then dropped the platter in the middle of the table, far beyond bitchy cousin's reach.

Holy shit did her tune change immediately. "xinhoj pretty pleeeeeeeeease can I have a dinner roll?"

"That's better."

What still shocks me is that her parents have tolerated/enabled that kind of behavior for the past 21 years.

KAGJ027 · 2015-11-29T03:05:45+00:00

So he got into an argument with some barslut who started shit with him because she didn't find him attractive?

She told him "You look like a freak”

That's NOT a fucking shit-test, that's just some girl coming up to you and insulting you to your face.

musclebound92 · 2015-11-29T04:46:29+00:00

What all of the people commenting on this post, and my recent one, about how it's a "waste of time to say that or this to her" fail to realize is that they look so pathetic commenting that.

In how the link ends, he mentions he is doing the world a favor and punishing people for their shitty personalities and ego's. And that is an awesome approach. The approach of backing down and letting women continue getting away with their hyper inflated egos that men have watered and let blossom through the years because of our apathy, which the haters that commented on my post and others are completely guilty of, is the reason these women ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.

Punishment through experienced and intelligent men is exactly what is required to stamp out these parasitic women... all it takes for evil annoying bitches to prevail in this world is for good smart successful men to do nothing.

shadowz151 · 2015-11-29T02:45:01+00:00

This is mind blowing material for me. All I've ever read was cocky funny/ push pull/ ignore. If the chick is just being a cunt call her out on it. I enjoy the mental chess game of crushing a person's spirit. We definitely need more FR's about speaking bluntly to a chick and their response.

I'm currently in anger phase and have been overcompensating by destroying cunty chicks inflated egos for my own self gratification. Stay strong brothers!

Mouthpiece · 2015-11-29T14:50:51+00:00

TL;DR: When someone insults you without cause, take the bait and get in a flame war.

What a waste of energy that is.

pookie513 · 2015-11-29T07:32:40+00:00

I have an acquaintance, likes to male shame. When she gets ahead of herself, "I'm only ashamed when I'm around you." Every time. Loves that I stand up to her.

SmirkAddict · 2015-11-29T17:02:40+00:00

Finally. I have been saying this all along. I've seen a lot of PUA videos. Honestly, it's quite impressive to meet a rude and dismissive woman and turn that around to some type of sexual experience. So respect to guys who do that. But I just don't have the patience for that. I just feel like a chump or fool pursuing sex with a woman that has inflated value. And if these woman are chasing you it's because they feel you have enough status that they can get some validation when having sex with you. So I think it's never about you and you are just rewarding her.

This is why I also have some disagreements about guys saying you don't owe women explanations when you cut them off. I really think it's important for women to know you can't treat self respecting men a certain way. I don't even bother with women who can't respond to my text in a complete sentence. Call them out and hopefully she will be better to the next guy. We just have to all get on the same page. I am not talking about some butthurt tone. Just being direct and speak as though you are just as much as a prize as she feels she is.

Honestly, taking this approach you may not have as much sex with different women as guys plowing through "bitch shields" or whatever. But you'll have less headache and generally more positive experiences as they'll come around or you cut them off.

Ben_Eszes · 2015-11-29T05:40:19+00:00

I think this will appeal to someone in the anger phase.

However, reading this has prompted a thought: what if we are calling girls' actions "shit tests," when in reality the actions are just pure bitchy behavior? In this sense, are we 'excusing' their bitchiness by labeling it as a "shit test" and saying that it's just part of their nature?

For example, if this girl you are dating is acting rudely, we might jump to the conclusion that it's a test -- and that she is not to be held accountable for her actions because it's in her nature to test us. Perhaps she is just being an ungrateful bitch that needs some instant behavioral correction.

agrafes · 2015-11-29T05:56:21+00:00

Their social standing means nothing to you. Their favors, their status as a woman (HB10/mother/whatever) means nothing. This is what you're saying to them when you refuse to allow their bitchy behavior.

I highly encourage incorporating corporal punishment for a plate you're with. You can allude to it while gaming a potential plate, I've found it's a good way to polarize while creating an environment of submission on her part.

One of mine - If she mouths off, I say "that's one". Simple. I don't engage, I don't retort, and I don't change my demeanor.

She's getting spanked later, and she knows it. And she behaves accordingly.

NightwingTRP · 2015-11-29T12:11:13+00:00

I don't think this guy actually understands shit tests. I think he misconstrues them as "girls being bitchy or giving you shit." Obviously he gets a lot of women who have SMV too low to get his interest and they know it. Standard female response to this is jealousy and throwing tantrums. Pretty much all of which comes out in his post.

He reacts like a similar child in the playground "if you hit me, I'mma hit you back harder because Gronk! be super alpha."

There's nothing alpha about throwing insults at women. The fact you need to insult her demonstrates she has got to you. I've never been a supporter of the nuclear response to shit tests because I believe a woman who is irritating you is the equivalent of a gnat. There's nothing alpha about swatting a gnat. There's a massive number of women out there... one brat shouldn't even register on your radar if you've truly internalised abundance mentality.

Occasionally you'll have to tolerate a brat... but here Cernovich fails the obvious test of his amused mastery... because he has no amused mastery. A lesson not to overdose on steroids perhaps? Or maybe he lost his humility a while ago? Or my personal favourite explanation: "you look like a freak" really gets to him... because there's a glint of truth in those words. He does look odd. (Personally I've always taken that as a reminder that attitude and status tends to trump looks.)

scamper_22 · 2015-11-30T00:09:58+00:00

A lot of women have lacked consequences their whole life. This girl had it in her head that men should never hit a woman. She could act however she wanted, and men could never hit her. Probably in her family that's how it worked. Her brother could never hit her. Her ex-bf could never hit her. She could have all the anger management issues she had, but it was WRONG for a man to fight back.

Anyways, we got into one day, and I'm trying to leave. She blocks the door way. Normally, if it was another girl without the big entitlement, I'd have just moved her and been on my way. But I'm like this girl has a huge female entitlement attitude. On the one hand, I can't physically do anything to her. I'm in Canada. They'd be on my ass. But I also can't let this go. She'll just do it again.

I called the cops. They came. Embarrassing for me and her. Yeah, but it showed her I'm serious and she shouldn't behave like that.

She has never once acted that poorly again. It's not hard to be a half decent person. But if you've lived your whole life without consequences in some areas, you'd be a brat too.

rockumsockumrobots · 2015-11-30T08:44:23+00:00

I'm going to do this from now on. I'm not looking for one night stands anyway so I may as well have some fun with power play.

thenemaxofredpill · 2015-11-30T17:07:04+00:00

I read this yesterday on the shitter and am coming back to comment because I have to.

There is a difference between a shit-test and a bitch.

"Oh. Well, how to you tell the difference between the two, nemax?"

I'll tell you how. You can't really tell the difference. You have to set your own standards on how much shit you will take. Me...personally...I have a very low shit "red-line". Meaning...I don't put up with much "bitchy" behaviour. If a chick is really into you...the shit-test will be easy and fun. If she is being a bitch and just trying to get validation...the shit-test will not be fun. In the article OP posted...you can read how the "shit-test" was not fun and was actually insulting and "out of the blue".

Remember, gents....the shit is easy if you are just a fun person and don't take things to seriously. So, if a chick comes up to you and "kills your vibe", then why would you even want to pass her so called "shit-tests". She is a buzz kill and not even worth your extremely valuable time.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-11-29T14:58:11+00:00

A child in need of correction and punishment.

Very good point.

A Shit Test (unless you did something to actually bring it upon yourself) is a very serious act on a woman's part and should be punished.

If your girl Jane talks to her friend Betty and Betty convinces her that you have done some beta thing and Jane then Shit Tests you to find out if it's true you must place some penalty on Jane for giving Betty power over her.

The chain of command must have you at the top.

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Henemil · 2015-11-29T01:44:26+00:00

Going nuclear on bitches may come back to bite you in the ass if you live in a small town.

It is so much fun though!

favours_of_the_moon · 2015-11-29T23:52:57+00:00

She's being a bitchy little CHILD. A child in need of correction and punishment.

They're used to society kissing their asses.

stonepimpletilists · 2015-11-29T02:41:11+00:00

Less guesswork, more experience.

I guarantee they are tests for fitness, I've been dealing with them for 15 years now, but try it out, post your results

aherne18 · 2015-11-29T07:06:11+00:00

These weren't shit tests, but something out of a combination of modern entitlement (a display of power from her behalf not expecting any retaliation) and complete lack of attraction for the guy in question. The "correct" way to answer depends on situation, but one thing remains constant: they feed by your weakness. It is your weakness display that made them feel powerful enough!

The point is ALWAYS to be powerful and command respect! How do you demonstrate when they've made up their "minds" that you aren't worth shit?

If she happens to be attractive (VERY VERY unusual, it's usually frustrated uglies behaviour), just ignore, boldly approach and start touching her FACE with MANLY AGGRESSION written into your eyes (a look of pure SPITE and SUPERIORITY). She's now an official ass-to-mouth target!

If she's not attractive, call her what she is: a frustrated ugly nobody (of value) gives a fuck about. A simple "sorry but you're not my type! let's just be friends" accompanied by a "friendly" pat on her shoulders to make her pass the "bad news" is more than enough to make them spin. If they try to save face (remember that even uglies have orbiters), remind them it's only an army of desperate men (worthless in her eyes)...

We can continue ad infinitum, but aggression is measured on actions not on words! So why not be aggressive from the beginning?

thefisherman1961 · 2015-11-29T15:59:34+00:00

Do your fellow man a favor, stop passing shit-tests, start crushing the women who engage in them, instead.

Terrible advice. Expecting women to not shit test is a fantasy that will never happen, because shit tests are AWALT.

iDont_too · 2015-11-29T14:51:07+00:00

I don't think a man needs to insult a woman in order to prove his worth. If you derive pleasure or self worth from insulting her to that extent then you're missing something from your own self esteem. I'm not against putting a woman in their place, it's a win win situation when you do (it turns them on as well), I just think this is a little over the top.

Blitz72 · 2015-11-29T07:07:13+00:00

To me this isn't a shit test. This is just downright rude behavior. I don't care how hot the girl is, If you start insulting me like that you'll be put in your place.

Years ago this 1 girl tried to flirt with me just to get in front of me at the bar. I said no, not gonna happen right now. She went ape shit and started insulting me. Put her in her place like she deserved.

Woosh29 · 2015-11-29T04:04:46+00:00

I was with him until his speech to the last girl. No way was she worth all that time and effort, and I think he would have looked bad by engaging her in such a conversation. Surely there had to be a quicker way to shut her down and let her know she's not even worthy of a conversation with him.

sir_wankalot_here · 2015-11-29T02:37:14+00:00

The guy sounds like a bully who gets off on hurting others. Caesar or any other great military leader did not resort to large amounts of punishment to get men to follow him. Watch how Ceasar Milan trains dogs, same story.

Suravira · 2015-11-29T13:47:17+00:00

That is passing a shit test, why do people not read the sidebar? It's right there under shit testing 101.

metalfan381 · 2015-11-29T10:29:30+00:00

"I did get to hurt another girl". Wow what a cool guy, putting all these cunts in their places...

Seriously though this guy sounds like he has some serious self esteem issues. He feels like he needs to go around and be the arbiter of who's a bitch and "punish" women for their behavior. You're not going to make the world a better place by being a bitch to bitches. Besides the fact that he seems to be targeting women exclusively (I personally meet a lot more male assholes than female), this sort of behavior just serves to make you look like a bitter little cunt with mommy issues.

HumbleEngineer · 2015-11-29T11:13:07+00:00

Jesus, I understand the message, but the link is full on neckbeard talk.

TRPhd · 2015-11-29T02:46:17+00:00

This dude is either 1) a liar, or 2) a piece of shit. I actually hope he's a liar, because otherwise they are going to find human skeletons buried under his backyard someday. Seriously fucked up.

J_AsapGem · 2015-11-29T03:13:38+00:00

It would work awesome towards the bitchy ass girls, but i think playful banter and agree and amplify and better for girls interested in you.

Title	Classic from Mike Cernovich. Stop passing shit-tests. Start punishing, instead.
Author	Doctor_Mayhem
Upvotes	116
Comments	91
Date	November 29, 2015 1:25 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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