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[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 27 points28 points29 points 11 years ago* (30 children) | Copy Link
Pussy is not all that I want. Unless that's all that you've got.
Also, your stated initial assumption is flawed. You are stating that TRP only works on sluts. Not true. TRP is about understanding the sexual marketplace. It is a toolkit that men can use to achieve their goals. Be it spinning plates or managing an LTR. The skill set is the same.
So if I see you in the street, and you look feminine and inviting, I will approach. And understanding TRP, I will be able to demonstrate my value to you. Then it is YOUR qualities that determine whether or not you are plate material or worthy of an LTR.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
I will be able to demonstrate my value to you
This is the part of TRP that I really like - men realizing their value and how to demonstrate it. My point was, if you approached me like /u/drakketon is advocating for (NSA), I would have run away.
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
Maybe, maybe not. A well calibrated, credible man will be able to read your reactions to his tactics during the first approach and vary his tactics accordingly.
The phrase "He swept me off my feet" exists because it happens.
I'm sure you've heard the phrase "The best makeup looks like no makeup at all." Same thing with seduction. The best seductions look like no seduction is happening.
If I do everything exactly right, and I am several points higher in value than you, your body will be aching to fuck me before you're aware of what's going on.
Your body will be in control and your mind is just along for the ride.
And all of a sudden you will be in my bed and the path there will have been this wonderful, dreamy experience.
And then after I've fucked you like no other man has, railed you until you are a dripping mess convulsing from multiple mind-bending orgasms, you will find a way to be with me again because it just feels so damn GOOD.
[+]shes-a-cunt[S] -8 points-7 points-6 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Um, see, this is just gross.
But kudos to you for finding success.
[–]_whistler 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I'd like to point this out to some of the newer men in attendance here. We have a woman that recognizes the benefits of TRP in some areas, and reads the sub to keep herself in check and "reassess" her behavior. All good things, but she still gives in to her own nature when confronted with blue pill behavior. drukpa-kunley is negotiating attraction here, although I doubt that's his intent, and the woman's reaction? "Ew, Gross!!!!" = beta-male shaming
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Exactly!
Since this is a male space I was addressing her response using logic.
Now maybe I didn't explain it correctly, but I was attempting to show her, through logic, why a woman doesn't necessarily have a choice during seduction and may fall into being a plate if the man demonstrates enough value to her.
Now, she misinterpreted this as me negotiating desire. Which is why I attempted to explain it to her from a feminine perspective. That if a man provides enough value she will be attracted to that. Now maybe the man will succeed, maybe he will fail. But is the man who is the actor in this scenario.
Essentially she is claiming that she could never fall prey to a confidence scheme. I call bullshit.
But notice how every comment that I've made that was overtly sexual is more harshly downvoted than the others. This is a male space and I'm not going to address her any differently than I would a man.
So those of you who downvoted those comments, the question is what was your motivation? Because I was being overtly sexual to a gazelle that wandered into the lions den? If she comes into a male space claiming she's a girl, why should she not expect to receive both barrels?
Why is bluntly stepping through the dynamic not a TRP truth?
Were you thinking I was trying to negotiate desire?
I was giving her an unfiltered peek behind the curtain. And out of all that, her reaction? "Gross."
[–]_whistler 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I didn't think your intention was to negotiate attraction, but your initial comment* above came off as a bout of ego-stroking or posturing. This can be interpreted as negotiating attraction.
*excuse me, it was actually your second comment above
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I can understand that.
My intention was to give her an unfiltered peek behind the curtain into the dynamics of seduction as well as a glimpse directly into my mental state.
Regardless of what I say to a girl, this is the attitude I try to carry when I talk to her. That I am the shit. I am God's gift to women. That I make the interaction man to woman. That she knows I am a man and she knows what I want.
So if a gazelle walks into a pride of lions, switches her tail back and forth and says "All your tricks ain't gonna work on this girl.", the lions will stand up, face her down, roar and show their claws.
I am the hunter. She is the hunted. The hunter determines the success rate, not the hunted.
[–]_whistler 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm with you, but you recognize that this approach works a lot better as a mindset, internally, as opposed to externally iterated in conversation.
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, you are correct. Point taken.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
FWIW, I'm not voting on any comments in here. I'm enjoying the conversation and I kind of feel this isn't my space, I'm an uninvited guest or whatever.
_whistler's point is spot on. If I were "on the market" a very confident man who knows himself & exactly what he wants would be very attractive - but overt sexual talk would not be.
[–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yikes, I completely missed that. Was it from this line (see below) onwards that he was negotiating attraction?
[–]_whistler 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is his comment as a whole. There are several direct statements of value. A direct statement of value is a way of negotiating attraction.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
drukpa-kunley is negotiating attraction here, although I doubt that's his intent, and the woman's reaction? "Ew, Gross!!!!" = beta-male shaming
I didn't mean it to "shame" - only that this sort of thing isn't attractive to me and never has been. For a virtual stranger to jump into this sort of talk feels intrusive.
Your conscious intentions aren't in question; our natures manifest themselves through our words and actions, regardless of the story we tell ourselves, about ourselves.
Shaming language.
Dismissal of a low-value male, on the more polite end of the spectrum.
Both behaviors are completely expected as part of the subconscious feminine process.
[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol, what a shit response. You wouldn't find it gross in the slightest if an actual high value man pushed all your buttons the right way. You're not a special snowflake exempt from the rules of limbic, animal attraction. Deny it all you want though, as I'm sure you'll do one way or the other
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
What exactly is gross? Is it that I openly stated my sexual nature? Is it that I am confident enough to know that I will be one of the best, if not THE best time you've ever had in bed? That I'm a man that can read your subtle body cues as we are making love and can give you what your body is asking for without you having to say a word?
I named a dynamic. Albeit from a man's point of view.
I'll name it from the woman's point of view.
Very few women get to experience a fully masculine man. One who owns his power. One who is self-directed. One who lives life on his own terms. One who LOVES the company of women and knows how to interact them. And one that won't allow himself to be manipulated by her womanly wiles.
So as a TRP man, I am providing you as a woman, much more value than you have gotten from any other man. I am freely giving you my powerful masculine energy. When I roll up to you, you are getting the best of me.
The masculine attracts the feminine. Why would any sane woman not want to be the recipient of that masculine energy? Especially when it's been lacking in your life for soooo long. Women don't want to win, they want a winner.
If I'm providing you with so much more value than you have gotten anywhere else, then naturally you would want that feeling to continue.
Attraction is not a choice. Now maybe it wouldn't play out like I said, but overall dynamic would be the same.
You wandered into the most masculine place on the planet. It's like a gazelle freely walking into a pride of lions and the lions saying "I want to eat you." and you going "Eww. Gross."
Have you ever considered that perhaps it is you who have issues with your sexuality? Why do you crave the safety that only an LTR can provide?
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's how I was raised, tbh. And it's a biological imperative. I am married to a good man. Why would I risk hurting him for some cheap thrill? So yes, I am completely shut down sexually except where he is concerned. I can't remember when I thought about another man that way. For my husband I will be a wild and dirty girl. Where you (and all other men) are concerned, there's a thick wall up. I can see you don't understand female sexuality at all - it's not about what you might be able to do for me physically. I won't even begin to care, because it would break my own heart to hurt him. Even if I thought he would never, ever know, I would know and it would make me feel worthless. When you're picking up a woman in a ONS and she has thrown herself at you, on some level she's pretending for a night that you love her, because that is what she really wants. My sexuality is completely tangled with my promise to him & my love for him.
Our home was burgled recently. When you try to speak to me sexually, it gives me the same feeling as when I realized someone had broken into my house, gone through my belongings, and taken things that were precious to me. It feels like a violation.
I think biologically my husband is driven to seek novelty sexually - just as I'm driven to seek security. I try to remember that and give him as much novelty as I can, knowing the urges he represses for my sake.
[–]SuperSlavisWife -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
I've had all sorts of men try and seduce me across three countries since I was 13 (Slavic girls mature before Mediterranean girls, so I had an edge over the locals). The issue with seduction is it assumes the woman isn't on her guard against sexual advances. I have only ever experienced attraction towards one man and he was the one who made his intentions verbally clear ("I find you hot." "I will not wait until marriage." "I want to see your breasts by so many dates.") rather than making physical sexual advances. Add that to initial attraction and compatibility and I was very much interested, even if I waited a while before showing it. (Mind over matter and all that. Basically, as I hadn't been attracted to a man before I wasn't sure if attraction could be clouding my judgement so I waited longer than I wanted to.)
On the other hand, any sign of a man wanting sex at all was a repellent to me before I found someone I was genuinely comfortable being around. Flirting, negging, touching, toying, etc just made me aware he was trying to have sex, which was an instant repellent. If a woman is looking for a LTR, early sexual advances can become anything from scary to repulsive to confusing. For some women "early" may mean before the third date, for some it may been before the fifth month, for some it may mean before marriage. But a woman actively seeking an LTR can be incredibly unreceptive to sexual opportunities and incredibly receptive to comfort and serious conversation.
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Yes, you're making my point for me. That man was both calibrated and credible.
He understood what you needed and gave it to you. And he demonstrated enough value to you for you to continue the interaction.
In my opinion, when you say "guarding against sexual advances", you're thinking of an uncalibrated man. When an artiste rolls up to a woman, and calibrates himself with the woman, he can get a good idea of her receptivity to sexual advances. He may try a subtle push test to see if it is a bitch shield or not. But it's all within the realm of sub-communications. If the response isn't favorable, he moves on without making any further advances.
There is a difference between men who try to take value from a woman and men that try to give value. Men who try to take value come across as creepy. Men who try to give value come across as charming. The difference is credibility and calibration.
[–]SuperSlavisWife 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Then we're really on the same page. Because by your argument every "calibrated" man I've met (besides the one I'm marrying) were the ones who tested the waters looking for sex, got no reaction and moved on. Meanwhile the "uncalibrated" ones were the ones who carried on pushing. Doesn't change the fact I wasn't receptive to their game, calibrated or uncalibrated. It just means a calibrated man knows when he doesn't stand a chance with what he has to offer and looks for greener pastures. Correct?
[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
It's not your fault you have little understanding of male PUA game. You're a female so you've had no need to study it. In your comments you're illustrating one of the biggest misconceptions about seduction. If a women is not receptive you move on; seduction isn't about forcing or tricking someone to like you. It's also a waste of time to spend all night with someone who's defense is up so high she's not going to give a guy a chance to build some rapport and start the seduction. Which is fine. PUA's have other tactics to build rapport during the day, or at work, or to slow play and show value over time; this is all seduction. Not just dry approaching at a bar or a club.
But what you're also not really understanding about yourself is that most men that approach you probably just don't have enough value to you in that moment. I'm sure the guy you currently are settled with does it for you in certain areas. He might be strong, or confident, or has a good career or maybe he handles himself around others.
"I find you hot." "I will not wait until marriage." "I want to see your breasts by so many dates."
It sounds like this guy was direct. Which means he was demonstrating confidence to you, fearlessness. I'm not saying he's a pick up artist at all but this is used by pick up artists all the time. A guy who dry approaches you at a bar can't give you all those things right away. So pick artists practice trying to let you know they have value. They drop hints, they dress a certain way, they practice posture they carry on conversations that are not sex related to build rapport, etc. etc., and they approach a lot so they find the women that are more actively looking then it sound like you were at the time.
[–]SuperSlavisWife 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I think the issue is, you get just as many guys claiming to pick up every girl they look at as you get guys who are actually living the life and just reporting. As few women will ever experience such a situation (much of them being lesbians and very few being bisexual), it's hard for us to sort what type of a man someone is or to guess as to whether he's honest or engaged in the internet tradition of faking status/success to attract friends.
The other issue with attraction, one I have managed to identify, is that the amount of life experience I have (in the genuine sense, not the feminine sense; I've been taken across Europe since I was seven, lived rurally, urbanly, in wealth and poverty, made my own money from art sales at 14, been on benefits, lived on a campsite, etc) means I have met a lot of different sorts of people. Even without romantic or sexual interactions, people become mundane once you've worked out what archetypes they fit and can guess with reasonable success at their next step, their hobbies or their family situation having known them for a day or so. Men who like you become mundane when you're approached or flirted with in every town, school or country you go to. In a way, I was as picky and easily dissatisfied as a much older woman, simply because I'd got tired of people. It's a serious flaw and I'm very lucky in that both my SMV and MMV were high, otherwise I could have very easily wound up as the bitter virgin spinster with ten dogs and twenty cats. So, as far as attraction goes, it is no longer all that shocking that a man had to meet very specific criteria for me to find value in him.
And directness is important. Indirect behaviour and displays of attraction have an odd effect on me. Probably, again, due to how familiar and cookie-cutter they often are. Human biology seems to run off a number of set patterns with minimal variability.
[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
picky and easily dissatisfied
This is common among many women but especially high SMV. It's really a good thing because if everyone excited you then you might easily be tricked into mating with a low SMV male. For a higher value female this is serious blunder.
Men who like you become mundane when you're approached or flirted with in every town, school or country you go to
I'm glad you bring this up. When I was younger and before coming to redpill it was difficult to see the world through a females eyes. Your behavior illustrated in your comment is a practical response to all the attention you've received and men have trouble understanding how much attention beautiful women receive on a daily basis.
Redpill poster trpmilo made a wonderful post about this, he wrote:
"Men are sexually attracted to traits in women that are fully observable when they first meet (i.e. physical beauty).
Women are sexually attracted to traits in men that are only partially observable when they first meet (i.e. social status, confidence)."
He goes on.
"What does this mean for dating? Well imagine a world in which the traits men find attractive in women are partially unobservable. Specifically, let's pretend women walk around in full burqas on the streets and in public, but otherwise act just like Western women. You can see if a woman is overweight or not, but otherwise you can't tell if she's hot. After a few dates though, you get to see what's underneath. These women are relatively experienced, they've dated men before and shown them what is underneath their burqas, and thus these women know their own sexual market value.
Now, you approach a woman on the streets who looks decently in-shape and you think might be attractive. She is very receptive to your approach. She's kind and sweet and seems excited to go on a date with you. What do you think to yourself? "Shit, this girl is probably ugly."
You approach another girl. When she sees you, she is cold and standoffish. What do you think to yourself? "Awesome, this girl is probably so hot. I better try harder."
This is the world women live in. When they meet you, they can't really tell how attractive you are. So they rely on your behavior to tell them. The less interested in them you are, the more options they think you have, and the more attractive they think you must be. So when you treat them like dirt, they think you must be god's gift to women.
It's only later that they find out whether or not you really have those qualities they are looking for. This is your "burqa" coming off. If you want to keep a girl after that point you better be as alpha as your behavior implies, but before that point they only have your behavior to go on."
Indirect behaviour and displays of attraction have an odd effect on me.
That effect is the guy taking his burqa off and showing you his real SMV and you deciding it's not a good match with yours.
So you shouldn't feel ashamed when you find nearly everyone you meet quickly becomes mundane. You've probably accurately assessed their value and you're just not interested and you don't want to waste anymore of you time. PUA also cultivate a mystery around themselves so that women are forced to spend more time determining their value. Guys get bitter and pissed at women and shame them because this quick assessment starts to get out of hand a lot of times and women receive so much validation that their perceived SMV gets all out of whack. This is why it's difficult to find a good looking women that isn't a little bit crazy. Here on redpill we call that a unicorn. Men also don't like when women use their sexuality for favors, i.e. work advancement, gifts, cycling through multiple marriages to collect money, etc etc. I'm not saying you're that person at all and it sounds like you have some level of understanding about the sexual market place which is good. Since you visit redpillwomen hopefully you'll be able to keep a healthy marriage by maintaining your femininity and allowing your husband to captain the ship. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Here's trpmilo's full post if you're intersted.
[–]SuperSlavisWife 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Wow. Thanks for the analysis and the link. The burqa example is pretty much spot on. Probably why most females are so hostile to Game regardless of who it comes from and why females like myself, who are a little more comfortable with the concept, still react with hostility to Game when we think it's coming from a low value male. The fear of being tricked by Game is probably similar to a man's fear of a woman wearing a bodysuit in the burqa example. And the fear of being hounded by "uncalibrated" PUA wannabes is probably similar to a man's fear of being chased by obviously unattractive women.
And I know what you're saying about females using sexuality. To be honest, I think all women use femininity to get things. Anywhere from a woman pulling a sweet face and asking a man to do something she can't or won't do, to a woman sleeping with a man to get a raise and everything in between. Some of it is more innocent, sometimes the exchange is fair or unfair, but it seems intrinsic to female nature to use our looks, charm, maternal glow and sex appeal to get a "bonus on life". When you know you can do it, you avoid the more overt or unfair of exchanges (at least, you do if you understand what's actually happening in such interactions; some women are perfectly happy to exploit men or lead them on), but even then we're probably still doing them, both knowingly and unknowingly. Two examples:
1: I know that my fiance is supporting me when, on my own, I would have to work hard for this quality of life. I may make my own money and the tables may be turned for a few months or so this year, but, in principle, he is the provider. It's my job to make sure the exchange is fair, that he makes the most of it. Because, if we're being honest here, no man provides for a woman just because she's smart, funny or like-minded. Otherwise he'd provide for his best friend too. He may not provide for a woman who only offers sex, but sex will always be a turning point where a man decides who to provide for, regardless of his own SMV. Therefore, just by marrying a man, a woman is choosing to use her sexuality for personal gain. Women need to choose whether or not to fully reciprocate. By educating ourselves, becoming more domestic, becoming more pleasing and improving our physique, we can make the exchange fairer. But our sexuality will always be a payment for provision when provision is offered.
2: Even without thinking, we can accidentally turn up the charm when asking for small favours. We may avoid ever being financially indebted to a man other than relatives or partners, we may avoid ever stripping off to get a raise, but when we can't reach on top of a fridge, or when some guy just took the last jar of sauce off the supermarket shelf, you can bet anything that the bottom lip will come out a little, the head will tilt meekly and the pupils will enlarge as we ask for a little kindness. We may notice we're doing it as we do it or after we've done it, but it seems fairly automatic. And the results for a woman who pulls her "sweet and submissive" face when asking for something are always better than for an angry woman asking for the same thing. Men want to be kind to sweet and submissive women, so women either are designed to or trained to act sweet and submissive when we want something off a man. You'll never see a woman do it to another woman, even when asking for the same favour.
Using femininity to get things is natural. That doesn't make it any more palatable, good or smart. That doesn't mean that, for knowing this, the woman doing it will or should be happier to embrace it, or the man on the receiving end will or should be happier to give in to it. But nothing in TRP is easy to handle.
[–]1sailorJery 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You are talking about things you don't understand? AWALT. Thanks for your insight Ms.Unicorn
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't think I'm a unicorn! :-) I think that when you see women in a negative and one-dimensional way, you attract women to yourself who fulfill your expectations.
[–]1sailorJery 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your mistaken, we don't see women in a negative way. And the conclusions reached about the sexual marketplace are objectively verifiable. You don't know anything about attracting women. This is why women aren't sourced for this sort of thing. You take offense and try and spin the hamster that you're special and different. We're all just naked apes with a very basic hard wiring, if you don't know that, you don't know the red pill.
[–]jeezydasnowman 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Trp is a worldview and a strategy, a litmus test that takes into account the shit tests, red flags, green flags, qualities of new women. From there status is determined (ons, plate, Ltr) and we move forward. Its just plain common sense, nothing to really be upset about. We make decisions based off what we see/know about women in general, pretty logical if you ask me.
[–]OurMindsLiveOn 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hypergamy doesn't not only apply to skanks. Listen to yourself you didn't want a beta ok? How dI'd you know he was a beta (or coddling as you put it) because you gave him "shit" to see how he would react. You shit tested him... awalt
You didn't want a player to use you, because you instinctively (or most likely conditioned) knew securing a good man required not getting used like a cum dumpster.basically your best quality about yourself is you managed to keep your legs closed. Wow that must have been hard to shoot down guys who weren't in league... and you only knew this by making amalt assumptions.
You then go on to bash different regions and the women they produce... but no guys awa not lt. Listen to the woman who knows everything and judges women and men at face value just as much as everyone else.
And regarding your tldr, how do you figure you find a quality woman (as if there is an abundant amount somewhere men don't know about) without being a quality man? If you really spent so much time here you would see not everyone employs dread game and a faux alpha bad boy image. No, everyone tells each other to work on themselves, learn new skills, better your money situation, don't be a shmuck, and be a leader. And they do this because not only is it an illusion that women can make you happy and love you like you can love them; bit also because the system is so fucked up that the qualifications for being a good woman is "doesn't drink or sleep around".
how do you figure you find a quality woman (as if there is an abundant amount somewhere men don't know about) without being a quality man?
I don't! That's the part of TRP I really like. We just watched "Midnight in Paris" this week - Owen Wilson's character is a terrible beta. His fiancé is the ultimate bitch. It was hard to watch.
the system is so fucked up that the qualifications for being a good woman is "doesn't drink or sleep around"
You can make your husband's life a total misery without ever doing either of those things. LOL.
[–]Ermgotthis10 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
This, and the comments, are really interesting conversation. That's where we get to the core of TRP : it's not pick-up-artist palace, it's getting to understand relationships with women by getting to know your true self.
So yeah, as other said : no matter if you're looking for plates or LTR, theory still applies, you just look for different responses to your approaches.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What you've said demonstrates the best TRP has to offer. Whatever your end game is.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TRP is a man's user manual for life and relationships. Whether he wants ass or "love", it's all in here
Many guys on this board are very young, inexperienced, and only interested in chasing tail. Many other guys are older, have been raped in divorce court, and only interested in chasing tail. I'd wager a guess that well over half of the guys on this board just want NSA-ass. Which is fine. Some guys love easy girls. Actually, every guy on the planet loves easy girls. I loved trashy girls.
Some of us on here are a little older (late 20's-early 30's) and were somehow wise enough to avoid marriage, kids, etc. thus far, but would like to eventually settle down with a great woman if she presents herself.
In college, I was the typical NSA frat boy. I had a great time. Now that I'm knocking on the door of 30, the NSA game has become dull and cliche. After enough chicks over the years, they all look the same. I'm much more interested in developing my career and hobbies, and developing my current relationship with a chick who is truly awesome. The kicker is that once I discovered TRP last year, it gave me the tools to actually know a good woman when I meet one, and how to effectively run my relationship with her.
A big tenet of TRP is learning to become a good judge of character, which the vast majority of people most certainly are not. Guys can come here and learn how to screen their women, based upon their goals (ass or LTR). And goals can change as life goes on.
There's nothing wrong with guys who just want NSA. For whatever reason, their life experiences have led them in that direction. It's not anybody's place to judge them, just as it's nobody's place to judge those of us who would like something stable with one woman. TRP is here to guide all of us in our individual pursuits.
[–]H425 points 11 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
A couple comments speak to my experience.
"And they'll jump ship as soon as something better comes along (but they'll seem perfect until they know they've got you)."
My Russian wife bailed on me 3 weeks after her Green Card arrived. As she left she told me, "You are a good man." All I was to her was a means to an end, USA residency, nothing more. As the actress of the role she was playing, my wife, she was perfect, from the start of dating until the final scene ... telling me the day before Valentines Day that we were getting a divorce, so "don't get me anything nice for V-Day."
The other comment: "Now, half his money goes to support her huge extended family in Manila (!) "
I knew of this aspect of Filipino culture before I began looking for a GF/Plate on-line in Phil. I specifically mentioned in my date-site profile I was interested in meeting an orphan. It worked, my Filipina was an orphan, so this part of that culture never affected me.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is amazing, all of it. And pretty sad that your real-life experience backs what I said. I chuckled at how you knew going in exactly what to look for. Is the Filipina you found a LTR? I'm curious how it worked out.
You would never get permission to marry one as an outsider, but a conservatively raised Indian girl would fit the bill for most of the guys here.
I want to temper my comments about Russian women with the fact that many Russian men are horrible & abusive to women - and also that they are in a really bad situation, desperate to get out. I've never been in either of those situations, so I can't judge them too harshly. In the middle east I saw how exploited some of them are - it's sad all around.
[–]H421 points 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I began chatting with the girl in the Philippines about 8 years ago. I was 49, she was 21. We chatted regularly for several years. I wasn't interested in visiting her because I knew she was going to do her damnest to play the V-card in exchange for a marriage license and Green Card. Three years later, she finally asked me to visit her just after her 25th B-day to teach her about sex and remove her V-card. So I did that.
By now, I've visited her a total of 4 times, taking her to holiday resorts in Phil where I can scuba.
I have zero interest in ever getting married again. It simply is not possible for her to come to the USA without marriage.
My business model won't allow me to live out of the USA permanently, and I'm not interested in selling out my biz and starting over with something else in Phil.
Two weeks ago she got crazy in chat, trying everything in the book to convince me to marry her. I decided to cut off all comms, I'm done with her. NEXT!
I think many men also don't know that some of these countries are passing laws to protect the women there. In Thailand, for example, any property a foreign man buys or transfers into the country (such as cash) immediately becomes HER property. If you buy a house in Thailand with your Thai wife, it belongs to her, as do any bank accounts you have there. 100%. The courts & the law is 100% in favor of keeping the money in Thailand and giving it all to the local.
[–]NabroleonBonaparte 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I love when women come here and post. It's always the same result every time. She's transcended AWALT, she has all the answers and knows what the endgame to living a redpill life looks like. They always validate everything taught here.
Solipsism, special snowflake complex, fish teaching the fishermen how to fish, etc all here in a neat package sprinkled with extraneous information that adds nothing of value to the men learning here.
You have a perfect relationship? Ok, what stage are you at in life? What about him? Does he have girls that you know would fuck him if you don't have your shit together and he dumps you? He lifts right? Financially secure?
What about your beta orbiters? They must have amazing relationships because they don't subscribe to TRP.
Another funny thing is that men are scolded for slut-shaming yet here you are saying that any girl this works on is going to be trashy and easy. It would never work on you because you're not genetically like them though, you're different. Just like tits and ass works on all men, solid game works on all women.
You came here telling us how you're special to garner attention and value, then slut-shamed all the women we've gamed reducing their value and upping yours in the process. Looking for some online beta validation. Textbook behavior.
TITS or GTFO!
I don't have any 'beta orbiters'. All the men in my life are relatives, my husband's friends, or the husbands of my friends. I don't interact with any of them individually.
If my husband dumped me he could have someone 10-15 years younger and way more meek than me within a week. A lot easier than I could (I'm post-wall - I have teenagers for god's sake!). Of course I know how good I have it, and that I have to provide more value for him than a younger woman would.
"Trashy" and "easy" women are the betas of the female world. They don't know their own value, or they're emotionally damaged. When you game them & use them, you are simply performing the reverse action of a woman who marries & uses a beta man.
Maybe it would surprise you to know that I don't slut-shame IRL, that I'm talking generalities here. Two of my friends are women who cheated on their husbands, and each of them lost almost all their other female friends when it was found out. Women are brutal to each other over this. One of them is actually one of my husband's only female friends - as in they have a separate friendship from me, through work and as friends. But I know she didn't sleep around easily or for no reason, and she wouldn't sleep with my husband just because she could. So I don't feel threatened by her, even though she is probably more attractive than me, even though she has a "history". She isn't "easy". My husband is one of the men who (unintentionally) caused her to become unhappy with her weak & unmanly husband.
I think TRP has a lot to offer men who've been raised in a too-feminist world. It's a reaction to the unbalancing of social relationships. Fair play.
I'm not a special snowflake. In the past several years I've been lucky to know quite a few really great women IRL. Better women than me, who have influenced and inspired me. For as long as it suits you to prey on beta women for ONS's, fine. But men who want more shouldn't think all women are just simple sluts who will use & betray them. It's a sad and vast oversimplification.
[–]NabroleonBonaparte 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I want to begin by saying that you have demonstrated a higher awareness than average females would. Truly a breathe of fresh air and if the majority were like this then there might be reason behind opening TRP to women. Unfortunately TRP must resist dilution (natural occurrence, beta males contribute to this as well). At the same time there are still some things where you missed the mark.
You can't distinguish shaming online and IRL. If you possess the thought/behavior in any domain, then it is a part of you. I will say that shaming isn't negative in itself, it's a social tool to inhibit negative behaviors. The problem arises when people use it to rationalize destructive hedonistic behaviors that benefits them solely.
That being said, the first problem I take is with the defense of the female friend who cheated. You say "she didn't sleep around easily or for no reason" but then why did she cheat? She couldn't of had a reason, there's no way to justify cheating. You can't say because he was beta because that would blame shifting to the male (something we discuss here). So either you admit she chose to do wrong or acknowledge that females aren't capable of responsibility. She had a husband which means she made a huge commitment (marriage= assumes that he was valuable) then cheated on him instead of ending things; AF/BB.
You then go on to say you know she won't sleep with your husband. She's demonstrated bad behavior already, you can only assume she wouldn't sleep with your husband, especially if he's a catch. What you mean to say is you have faith your husband won't risk your marriage to sleep with her. You say she has a "history" but isn't easy. Those go hand in hand. She has a history therefore she's demonstrated the capacity to behave as someone who's easy. Like I said above, if you demonstrate a behavior then it's a part of who you are. This is the hamster we talk about at play. Understand you're at your husband's discretion on if she fucks home or not. You even say he unintentionally inspired her to leave her weak husband with his personality, so what makes you think she doesn't want to fuck him to some degree? I'm sure your husband won't fuck her because he's satisfied with you. This isn't meant to breed insecurity in your relationship, I just wanted to point out thoughts that allow people to become deluded instead of aware of reality.
Lastly, it's false to assume I prey on women. I'm a MGTOW who engages in casual sex. To say that I prey on them would imply that I somehow manipulate them into something they don't want (blame shifting to the male). When I game, I'm only promoting my desire to have sex. I'll only succeed when I find a women who desires the same thing and I demonstrate worth. I'm not one to promise a girl a relationship and then drop her once I have my way. TRP doesn't encourage that behavior, it describes what works to get what you want. If a man wants a LTR then they'll use the tools given to achieve that. They're not told all women are sluts who will betray them, they're told what could potentially happen and what to watch out for to successfully LTR a worthy female.
AWALT doesn't mean all women are evil sluts, it means they're all hard wired wit the same attraction triggers just like all men have the same attraction triggers (men want tits and ass, etc and females want a successful male). So yes, a male looking for a LTR shouldn't think all women are sluts that will betray them, that's a destructive perspective. The males here who think that way are the ones who haven't grasped TRP concepts entirely.
It's been a long time since I logged in but I wanted to say I really enjoyed and appreciated this response. You disagreed in a respectful way, and I learned how to see some parts of TRP (that in the past felt negative to me) in a more objective way.
Regarding the lady who cheated- I try really hard not to judge people whose shoes I haven't walked in. But for me, cheating is a nonstarter. Completely unacceptable. I really like the perspective that cheating is less about betraying your partner and more about betraying your own integrity. Once a lady told me she had revenge cheated on her husband (he cheated first) and it was how she remained married. Okay, fine for her, I don't know. But to me? Even if my husband had cheated on me, destroying my own integrity would only make it worse for myself. Not better!
Those of you who have been cheated on? She was a person of low integrity, period. She revealed her character to you in a dramatic way - I'm sorry you didn't see signs ahead of time. :-/
[–]Senior ContributorRedPope 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
There is only one correct response to this:
Tits or GTFO!
Our approach for ONS sex won't find us a LTR? We know.
Guess what? Our approach for LTR won't land a ONS.
We custom tailor our approach depending upon our desired outcome. The girl who says "no" is not a loss -- she wasn't offering what we wanted! We screen her out with the least amount of time wasted. No lies, no false hopes, just straight-forward honest efficiency.
[–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hands down my favourite thing to ever swoop out of 4chan. I periodically link that image whenever a girl goes "why shouldn't I have special treatment". You can almost hear the audible clunk of the cogs falling off the spindles in the white-knights head.
[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
started posting this, but you say it so much more succinctly.
Women need to grasp that to high value men, they are literally a number until they prove themselves worthy of being more
[–]JackGetsIt 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is IMO the biggest disconnect women have. They think that if an alpha sleeps with them they are at least in the running for a LTR. They immediately attached their value to his and grew a huge ego. LOL. They also don't really pick up on the signals that they are a plate or ONS.
I knew a girl I worked with that went camping with my friend and I. She fucked him and he plated her after and would fuck her about once a month. He never talked to her in between fucks. But at work I had to hear everyday how she was in a relationship with him and how she thought they were getting serious and when he stopped fucking her for awhile she panicked and asked for all types of help from me and said how he was the one and she thought that he was on the way to proposing. It was an insane display of hamstering.
Wow, how delusional. This makes me grateful perhaps I was raised by parents who basically said, "sleeping with a man is the easiest way to ensure you'll never see him again".
My husband said he took a lot of girls out who thought they were in a serious relationship or whatever after a single date. We turned up engaged and a girl in our larger social group was shooting eye daggers at me - they went on one boring date more than six months before, didn't talk again, and she still thought they were dating. Wow.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why shouldn't a woman have to prove herself? It's perfectly fair. Men shouldn't have to treat women like pedestaled princesses. We require men to prove their mettle, generally.
[–]ExpendableOne 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Who wants a husband that won't call you on your shit when you're wrong?
This honestly annoys the shit out of me. Why is it up to men to correct you when you're wrong? Why wouldn't it be up to you to correct yourself when you're wrong? Do you know any man that has that kind of expectation of women? That would actually expect women to correct them every time they think he's wrong otherwise those women are not good romantic or sexual partners? I mean, even assuming that this isn't a fallacy and that those men wouldn't try to call you on your mistakes ever, or never try to come up with a good compromise, why would that be their job? Are you an equal or are you an independent woman capable of being accountable for her own actions/decisions?
So many women think this way and yet, it is just completely transferring your insecurities, or your irrationality, onto someone and expecting them to be responsible/accountable for your actions or negative dispositions. If you know you have enough pull on a man to get him to do almost whatever you want, because his feelings for you make him vulnerable or too eager to please, why wouldn't it be your responsibility to act responsibly instead of just putting him down for it? Why would you ever take advantage of such a situation, if you have the same feelings for him?
The person with the highest social value, or the person that cares about the other the least, typically is the one with the most power in the relationship and what you're essentially saying with that statement is "any man that loves his partner more than his partner loves him isn't worth shit", or "women are too irrational and insecure to be able to form their own opinions and own up to them, or to be in a position of power", both of which are just laughable.
One of the things I like about TRP and lurking here, is that it sometimes points out to me my own shit behavior. Nobody's perfect, right?
I'm not sure why it makes you so mad that I'm happy to have a husband who isn't afraid to disagree with me or tell me when he thinks I'm wrong. I know lots of husbands who wouldn't dare.
[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There's a difference between going online and getting perspectives from outside sources(especially when there's probably people out there who are much better suited/experience in any matter than any one man you could ever meet would be) and judging a man on a personal, romantic and sexual level based on his ability to call you out on every disagreement(or, actually make it a necessity to be considered a valuable mate or even human worthy of love/respect).
Doing your own research, or own critical thinking, is part of being an adult. It shouldn't be up to a man to be responsible for your decisions and actions. You shouldn't be relying on other people's personal validation. This is like another variation this "woman running to her girlfriends, who will just echo whatever she wants them to, so she can feel better about whatever horrible decision she's already made" trend. You shouldn't be depending on others to validate your views or to call you on your own shit, you should be holding yourself accountable for your decisions and doing your due diligence beforehand.
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[–]1needathrowawayplease 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why don't you disagree with some stated points she made and explain why.
I think she makes the a great point point that coming on too strong or going for sex the first time you meet a women is a great way to miss out on some unicorns (or if you don't believe in the term - women who are as close to them as you'll get).
I also think you're less likely to meet a quality women at a club.
I invite you to disabuse me of these notions though. I'm here after all to learn.
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[–]1needathrowawayplease 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OK, I don't disagree with anything you said and in my opinion her original post doesn't really either.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll do it.
If someone is approaching girls with ONS game, they don't want an LTR with them. Whether the girl is or isn't a unicorn (she's not) doesn't matter. Whether she wants an LTR or a ONS doesn't matter. There is no reason why a man would cater his relationship objectives to what a woman wants, because what he wants is what he wants and what she wants is what she wants and they're two separate people.
Is she a "quality woman"? All women are "quality women" to a man who takes the approach that she wants that day. Women don't advertise what they want, so they get what they ask for, which is either whatever the man feels like doing or nothing. They almost never take any action towards a man that isn't sunk in plausible deniability, so personally I'm going MGTOW until my game is solid enough that I can assure my own safety. I don't need some "unicorn" deciding I've raped her, I've got a life.
[–]draketton 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
A decent overview of the big picture, but there's no actionable advice on how to approach a no-strings-attached sex target vs. how to approach an LTR target
I'll try my hand at it
NSA sex:
LTR prospect:
In both situations:
[+]shes-a-cunt[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If you had approached me for NSA with those tactics, I would have thought "pervert" and moved away.
My husband brushed my arm on purpose on our second date - it's how I knew he was really into me. He moved very slowly though and by the time we kissed it was outrageously exciting. Like rockets to the moon - and no one else ever did that for me. There's a lot to be said for slow. We weren't intimate until close to the time we married.
[–]draketton 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, an approach built around getting NSA sex will sometimes get me blown out by a girl who isn't into that
That's a part of the game we all accept, albeit grudgingly at times
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your post seems to be all ego to me. You're one woman amongst billions. What makes you so special to think you know it all?
Ever think about how a lot of men don't want kids or a marriage? If you denied me is go right to the next girl and never think of you again. I don't understand what you're trying to get at here.
Ever think about how a lot of men don't want kids or a marriage?
Hi - at the beginning of my post I stated that marriage isn't for everyone, and that if you aren't seeking it, good for you and I don't judge. Better to be honest about what you want, if you want a fulfilling life.
[–]rpscrote 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's called "screening" and it's a feature, not a bug
[–]bigmansam2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
This is something I"ve always wondered about TRP. When you seek NSA, you will find, which will give you a sample bias.
I am an LTR person...no questions asked. I continually reject NSA approaches as I need love, stability, and commitment. Additionally it is important for me to provide love, stability, commitment, and I could never find myself being a "plate."
I often wonder if the gentlemen here may have a more positive view of potential mates if they only sought quality women instead of "plate" type women?
[–]1-drukpa-kunley-[🍰] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
TRP is not about NSA.
A man using TRP is a fisherman. And TRP is his tackle box.
The man goes out and catches the fish. He demonstrates value. He builds attraction. He ignites desire. He deflects her shit tests. She is hooked.
It is then the quality of the woman that determines if she is catch-and-release (plate) or whether she winds up on your dinner plate (LTR).
And by spinning multiple plates, the man has an abundance mentality and will be at the top of his game. So when he does finally meet his unicorn, he won't derail the seduction process with his fear of losing her.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the game that you play with TRP to get "spinning plates" and etc., is going to attract a very particular kind of woman. The kind of woman I don't tend to be friends with or have any respect for. Basically - trashy, 'easy' women
This is true. We all know we'd never commit to ONS and to most of our plates.
If at some point you really want a quality woman?
Where are they? Is there some secret convention they all go to?
She's probably one of those women who never responded to your advances
Naaaah, those women are just not interested, and a waste of time. I am not very aggressive in the beginning. My game is shifting towards Pook/Anti-Dump machine style, where I very actively screen out women who are disinterested. I also lean back and I watch out for red flags that might be popping out.
good quality women aren't going to bars on the weekends
Yup, we know that.
Look, all this talk about quality women this, quality women that... the bottom line is they are either all taken, or they don't exist. I sure as hell haven't met one in the last year, and I don't do night game, only the women I meet in everyday life. So for you to come and say "quality women don't respond to players etc" - that's tautological. We know Red Pill women don't give up pussy easily.
Why don't you give us some tips on how/where to meet and recognize these women?
All the ones I know are already married. Pretty much all of them married quite young, too. In that TRP is kind of straight-on. A woman who is willing to marry when she's young is one who doesn't think sleeping with lots of men is part of the necessary life experience.
[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
a woman who won't try to henpeck you once they've got you IS really rare.
Let the truth out of the bag didn't we dear?
the women who will be the best wives are going to be very conservative and religious.
Not popular to say, but I agree. However, the problem is the topic of Dalrocks blog- Churchianity has taken over mainstream religion and most denominations bow to the Feminine Imperative. Man up and marry those sluts. Man up and be the man. Man up and listen to your wife complain and whine. The best you can get is "Women are angels and every now and then perhaps you can let your man lead, just so he thinks he can."
most denominations bow to the Feminine Imperative
We actually got very unhappy with how the church we used to attend (we are both agnostic now) would bow to women on Mother's day and then on Father's day preach about how horrible men are. To a group of men who were up early on a weekend morning to go to church with their families. It disgusted me, and infuriated my husband. Most of the marital problems we saw around us were caused by the wives.
[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm just curious, OP.
What does a man get out of marriage?
If a man was rich, he could pull a Ronaldo if he wanted kids (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1292094/Cristiano-Ronaldo-father-paying-surrogate-baby.html), so kids don't even matter in this discussion. You can hire a personal chef and maids for cleaning.
There is a traditional marriage with specific gender roles. Each has their work. Modern women definitely don't want to perform their traditional functions. In my experience, modern women don't know how to cook and they barely know how to clean.
So I ask you, what's the point in marrying or even having a girlfriend? Sex seems to be the only thing modern women are capable of providing and /deadbedrooms proves they can't even do that for a susatined length of time.
Plates is a coping mechanism for the shittiness of modern female personalities, IMO.
What do you think about this, OP?
Sure, I agree, there's quality women out there. But they marry and start families before 20, in my experience. Why waste time? There's no reason to, biologically speaking.
[–]shes-a-cunt[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a great question! After living in Europe where women typically do not stay home with kids, and keep their own names & continue working - marriage is an afterthought, unnecessary. Marriages and relationships are easily broken, too. But here men are very weak, women dominate. I don't like it.
I've started thinking of marriage as a legal protection, period. It's probably especially important for women who will give up careers to raise children and keep house.
In the past year I've had all my beliefs challenged because a woman friend of mine decided to divorce her stay-at-home husband. All the things he did that made me have no respect for him were things that could have described me. He got lazy, let himself get soft physically. He got whiny, spent the money she earned on stupid things. Then he fought her endlessly for every penny in court during the divorce and made her life miserable. Right now he's trying to steal tens of thousands from her by delaying giving it back to her after their settlement.
At every turn all I could think was, "what a dick, what a useless non-man," and then I would realize, "this is what women are told to do in divorce, what every woman would try to do."
I decided that if my husband ever wanted a divorce, I would not ask him to pay alimony, and I would only want him to support the kids directly, not through me (take them shopping, or help pay their school fees directly, etc). And I told him this.
I suppose you would have to ask my husband what is the tradeoff for losing access to the strange. I could talk about cooking his favorite dinners or supporting his career, but what I think of is him having runaway diarrhea, or being afraid of failure. And I am there to rub his head and say, "you can absolutely do this" or fetch the pepto. He doesn't have to maintain frame or always be strong, and I'll respect him and love him anyway. He says having a family gave him a sense of direction and purpose, and that he wouldn't have had nearly as much success in his career if I hadn't been supporting him behind the scenes.
Edit: deadbedrooms has a lot of women in it as well.
[–]Scroph 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
For me, TRP isn't just a set of PUA techniques to get us laid with "easy" women. It's a way of life. A lot of us are into it for different reasons, mine being one of the most unusual : I'm on perpetual monk mode as well as on a 3-month nofap spree on hard mode. I plan on keeping it this way until marriage, since I'm blessed enough to actually live in a culture where old fashioned gender roles are still relevant, where marrying a virgin housewife is still the norm - to some degree at least. What can I say, I may not be that old but I am old fashioned.
But this isn't about me, I just popped in to drop my two cents : even though TRP might not land you a respectful woman (keyword : might), it will certainly let you keep her. I'm not saying this to imply that other men will snatch her from you because of her inner hypergamy (though I am not denying it either), my knowledge regarding this aspect of TRP is purely theoretical, it's lacking the practical experience for me to form an opinion on it. What I'm trying to say is that, in a nutshell, you are your worst enemy, and if you don't beat your old self every single day you will bore her and thus drive her away. TRP helps you achieve this by urging you to constantly improve and never stagnate, and also offers guidelines on how to apply a certain degree of "game" so that you and your woman keep a sane relationship.
TRP brought radical change to my life once I discovered it. My relationships to the people around me, men and women alike, have never been healthier, all thanks to the books the folks here recommended me to read - namely No More Mister Nice Guy and the 48 Laws of Power.
I'm spoiled because I'm married to a strong & worthy man. All the time I see men who don't have a freaking clue - and I think TRP has a lot to offer. Men should know their own value. In another comment I talked about my female friend who divorced her unmanly husband. She's dating an uber-male now, and she admits it freely, how much she wanted a "real man". He's actually like 2" shorter than her (but very fit). It's all about attitude.
Recently I was talking to a female friend about how my husband and I felt we needed to encourage our son to be more masculine, physically active, etc. She said, "OH. You're worried he's gay, then?" and I was completely shocked. Who he chooses to love in his life is completely unrelated to how he learns to embrace his own masculinity (at school boys are required to behave in a very feminine way). I was upset that encouraging a boy to be a boy is seen so negatively, even as homophobic. So gay men are really just women? Who is the real homophobe? To me this is apples & oranges, it makes no sense.
On those lines, he learned this year dealing with a bully - he went through the entire series of steps the school counselor taught them (he's very rule-bound and precise) and tried to involve the teacher, etc. - but the bully didn't stop until he finally demonstrated his own fortitude (he hit the kid back). He did this after I finally said to him, "the teacher obviously is not going to make him stop. You are not allowed to be his victim. Stand up for yourself!"
you are your worst enemy, and if you don't beat your old self every single day you will ...
Second thought: this is true of women, too. I think we have a lot of power to destroy emotionally and it's incredibly easy to be a force for negativity and destruction (as a woman) if you don't guard yourself or you have the wrong influences (friends, relatives) around you. I've started to see how women can hurt men so much more deeply than men can hurt women.
[–]TekkomanKingz 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are one of the handful of Women on the interwebs who actually knows what you are talking about. Kudos. This is one of the first rational and well thought out analysis of TRP in general I've seen to date by a Woman. To expound upon the points you have touched upon:
Your observations of Thais and Filipinos are correct. They are the worst an American could do in South East Asia but still exponentially better than an American woman. Typically I recommend the following to my brothers in order of preference: Japanese, Korean, Malaysia followed by Burma/Vietnam then Thailand, Philippines, China (next to the bottom of the fucking list) and the rest of them with India and Bangladesh being dead last. You'd have to be crazy to try and have a successful relationship with an Indian woman. Whether they are born here, the UK, somewhere else or in India they are terrible. In general India and China are countries that are highly dysfunctional right now and over-populated. Not necessarily producing the highest quality potential wives.
To your point about supporting the girl's family. As long as you are in Alpha male frame and give them a modest allowance to live a daily life here in America or like royalty in their home country (assuming you are in the $250k+ income range) they will be loyal to you and respect you as supreme head of household. Your word is worth it's weight in the gold you bring home every year. Try this with an American woman - Shit won't work and she'll just try to run off with half.
You see the difference is for all the shit I give Thai and Filipinos (along with Indonesians) when comparing them to Korean or Japanese they are respectful when receiving FREE MONEY and SUPPORT. Western Women do not respect when a Man gives them anything. This now extends as you mentioned into Eastern Europe. HOWEVER, certain Eastern European countries could be the exception. Such as Ukraine and Uzbekistan. I have met several young ladies from there with good families married to acquaintances I know. They seem like grateful and humble people who desire to be self-sufficient but still have a sense of community.
Russian women we all know are garbage, take them out with the trash. As you mentioned in your post "not to be racist". Nope, it's purely a NATIONALITY and CULTURE problem. Nothing to do with ethnicity. An ethnic Russian should not be treated the same if they were born outside of Russia. I wouldn't trust a Russian born woman further than I could throw her and similar to American born women there are few and far in-between who have proved themselves to be any different.
Your last comment is correct. The women to be the best wives are conservative and religious. If you look at the Women in the media who are the most money grubbing, gold digging and hungry and who divorce the most often for money it's liberal Women who are agnostic or unprofessed atheist. Look at women like Barbara Bush or Sarah Palin etc. None of them are divorced and trying to be a "Diva" on their own. Ironically these women hate Arab Muslim women. Arab Muslim women are the other group who make good wives. They are devout but you must still retain Alpha qualities and lead the family to success, and show resilience and resourcefulness in times of need. Your 10 wives and 12 children aren't going to feed themselves you know?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why is a women trying to educate me on TRP? Have you studied like us? Let's see.
"First off, if you eschew relationship and only want sex, plates, etc. - that is perfectly fine. Marriage is damned hard and requires a lot of sacrifice."
You assume the only reason some of us don't want marriage is because it is hard, so clearly not. The entire rest of your post is invalid now.
[–]waylandertheslayer 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While I agree that the part you highlighted is rubbish, that doesn't mean there is no salvageable content. I think the analysis of other nationalities is very interesting and fairly accurate.
I never mind when people disagree with me - it's interesting and it's how you learn. :-) I'm glad you got something out of it.
[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a pretty much a just a rant. I didn't get anything other than the fact that you view yourself better than women who rode the CC.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
This is an amazing post. I've commented here occasionally about the 'selection bias' of the redpill approach - essentially, it puts you in contact with the worst of women! Some good women will put up with that low level of treatment due to low self-esteem, but really good ones never will - and the best are clever enough to see right through you and just be uninterested in your shit.
As OP says, if that's what you want, great! But don't let it sway your opinion toward women as a whole - the ['women are like children']** school of thought is largely due to (1) this selection bias, and (2) confirmation bias caused by circlejerking here.
Edit: clarified my meaning
AWALT says that there are no unicorns, and that there is never a guarantee that a woman won't divorce you because of feels or do other stupid shit. It doesn't say she will, just that there is no way to prove she won't. It's a warning rather than an absolute law. That's why we also have NAWALT. NAWALT says that there are always women that don't fuck you over, but AWALT says you can't definitively find them.
I can dig that. I'll change 'AWALT' to 'women are like children'
[–]rpscrote -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You don't understand AWALT. Read the sidebar
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm not at all concerned with the guy who put together the sidebar - I'm concerned with the things I read here posted by a far larger group of men.
[–]rpscrote -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What you think AWALT means is not what it means. Re-read until you do
There is no need to be so close-minded and judgemental. Get off your high horse, lady.
These are the same women TRP will make fun of and drop without a second glance. Your opinion of them is even lower than mine. At least I leave them to live their own lives - you use them and dump them.
If she's an ONS, odds are she doesn't want an LTR, and vice versa. If she wants an LTR and goes for an ONS then yes, we'll make fun of her--she fucked up her game, a game she knows how to play. Get fit and play for intermittent rewards, dumbass. If she wants an ONS and acts like she wants an LTR, then we'll laugh at her because she's just beta shielding and can basically go fuck herself.
[–]waylandertheslayer 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They want to be used and dumped. They are in an environment where that is the likely outcome, and act in a way that no-one with any selfrespect would want an LTR with them.
The whole concept of the CC is that when sluts ride it, they don't expect more than some alpha cock for the night, so by supplying it you make them and yourself happy.
[–]dpa -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
its nice to get a womans perspective. you bring up a good point about a sort of self fullfilling prophecy, something which I have also been thinking about, and i think you could be right. you want easy sex, so you attract easy girls and the type of low quality behavior that comes with them.
while it would be great to meet high quality "conservative" women, there is no sure fire way of doing this outside church perhaps. but even within church, one must be wary, because the repression of sexuality there can manifiest itself in some pretty undesirable ways; preachers daughter and all that.
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[–]dpa 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Its not a cop out of anything, its an observation. You can try to strawman me and misconstrue my original statement, but I feel it stands. If you want easy sex, you will attract easy girls and learn to accept the low quality behavior that comes with them. Once in this cycle you succumb to confirmation bias, seeing the cold truth about women in every relationship.
TRP is all about educating, understanding, accepting and profiting from this behavior, behavior that a bluepiller would consider highly undesirable and even unthinkable in a woman.
I believe in the principles of TRP and making the best version of yourself you can to gain access to the highest quality mates you can. I also believe that there are women out there capable of the same consideration for improving themselves, but since the social pressures are not the same for them as it is for us, this requires an exceptional type of person, which is no doubt, a rarity.
[–]thereddespair -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It felt a little too dragged out.
Women may have differences and belong to different subclasses, but they still have a parent class. I believe the idea of this place is to have skills that primarily target the parent class and then be able to adjust as necessary based on the child class the woman belongs to.
Also, quality women - is relative, esp from a females point of view and a males.
It seems more like youre selling yourself here and assuming youre a quality type of woman yourself.
[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't be the only one whose eyes glaze over every time women make sure to self-identify as such on the internet.
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