I just cannot bring myself to enjoy/appreciate women

valdirtheblue · 2017-03-23T23:59:50+00:00

Most women, not all, but most are dull, uninteresting and nearly all of them will fill out their biography with the words 'glass of wine' and 'netflix' in the same sentence. Now that I'm single, I have so much more time for activities. Reading, cycling, lifting and guitar work. They dont have any opinions themselves, that's why they adopt their male counterparts values and attitudes. It's sad really, how many women have you met who have genuine hobbies? Or are masters at something? You can bet they picked it up from a guy somewhere. Not all women are like this though, the less physically appealing ones tend to have stronger character and more interests.

I know the feeling man, my ex was an 8/10, beautiful, but boring as fuck. Luckily she was right wing politically. Apart from that? It was all cocktails, instagram and the big city lifestyle. Either give up or find a quality bird with actual intelligence, hobbies and personality. But for gods sake, remember AWALT!

Good luck!

Docbear64 · 2017-03-23T23:59:27+00:00

It sounds like you're trying to appreciate a woman like she's a man . Maybe make more or better male friends ?

Serious discussions , challenging your opinions for their merit and not just a scarecrow , those sound like the kind of qualities I can personally say I have only enjoyed in other men .

If I want to feel lighter and / or happy positive women are good for that . If I want to go out and have fun most women are good for that. If I want ot have sex and enjoy a persons beauty again I would choose a woman .

Not saying I haven't met intellectually interesting women or fucking boring and thoughtless men but I know what I am looking for in a plate versus a friend and women then men respectively satisfy those needs.

blackedoutfast · 2017-03-24T03:01:06+00:00

women are mentally children. just accept that fact and start laughing at all the stupid silly things they do.

MrBellsprout123 · 2017-03-24T18:08:33+00:00

Todays women are incredibly dull and boring. I heard a quote once:

"Men have to work hard to be fuckable, women have to work hard to be likeable."

Its so easy for women to get sex now, there's no incentive to be likeable, hence the epidemic of dull boring and dumb women.

745gtes5 · 2017-03-24T01:22:09+00:00

Serious questions:

Do you actually want a woman in your life?

What do you want a woman in your life for?

Sounds like you're bored with stupid bitches. They are a dime a dozen and you see this. Good for you. Very understandable. You now know what you don't want. Now you need to figure out what you do want.

Keep ignoring the dumb shit and make room for the solid one that may come through. And in the meantime, just work on yourself. Wasting time with the sluts is stupid anyway.

Veritas_potissimum · 2017-03-24T01:33:21+00:00

The dissatisfaction is reality (TRP) clashing with your blue pill indocrination and upbringing which put this silly notions in your head about what women are like or what your life should look like. Consider yourself lucky, some men will not even get a chance at this woke dissatisfaction and a trapped in a permanent slumber.

destraht · 2017-03-24T01:51:37+00:00

get offended whenever you mention the differences in genders even if its a harmless comment,

This is largely a Western female thing. Its generally a pretty pointless thing to mention because if they have received the Western indoctrination then they can't see it and will be offended by it and if they are capable of realizing that men are different than women then its an irrelevant conversation.

jizzledfreq · 2017-03-24T03:48:59+00:00

The advice red pill gives should be taken with a grain of salt, with that being said, just meet a bunch of different women, I'm sure you're bound to find some that tickle your fancy.

My whole take on red pill is more so in how to recognize certain behaviors in women as it pertains to romantic/sexual relationships so that one can secure a more plentyful supply of sexual partners or to keep oneself from being played in a LTR situation. It's about bettering ones self to make oneself more attractive to the opposite sex, and more confidence in a variety of social settings.

I think there are a lot of men on this forum who completely misunderstand the red pill and think it's all about becoming some hypermasculine man with massive muscles, developing an obnoxious attitude, and that RP is to slay vagina left and right, or going so far as to completely reject women.

I guarantee that whatever interests and hobbies you have, there are women with those exact same interests and hobbies, and personalities that don't grind your gears. You don't have to have sex with every single woman you see, and you really shouldn't look down on them as some inferior being. Women are women, women are humans, and just like men, women have their own quirks. That's life.

Mangoinhand · 2017-03-24T05:56:01+00:00

Always aim for higher standards for yourself and everyone in your life.

Keep upgrading everything

samenrofringslikeLBJ · 2017-03-25T00:41:22+00:00

Bro I can show you a tinder convo from today where a girl opened up with a really sweet message about how cool i looked and blabla. I tell her hey honestly that was really a sweet message, thanks, but im just looking to get my dick wet because the modern woman is not usefull for much else.

So what you think she said? "Omg pig"? "Sick freak"? She fuckin sends me 2 messages back how she is not one of those girls and we should just get to know eachother.

They have nothing to offer and they know it, its why they are all fucking miserable inside. Every woman is a trainwreck. I just got done reading some HB9's blog post about how she exposed herself to several hundred men in her early teens up until 18 and now has so much depression and anxiety that she cant leave the house. She still hot as fuckkk though jesusss, but worthless.

DeeDee1234567 · 2017-03-24T20:06:03+00:00

Ok, I'm like a half-pill red-piller; I appreciate this forum as a genuine way of finding order out of the chaos of the dating world, but I think you might be OD'ing on your red pill dude.

Here is where I think your problem is. You are trying to replicate your mother's unconditional love for you in women who ARE NOT YOUR MOM. Because no-one can ever reach your mom's love for you, you are bitter and close yourself off emotionally from women, who have a lot to offer.

How do I know? I'm the exact same fucking way dude.

I don't know if you watch the soprano's, but I think it should be required watching for every red piller. There is an amazing episode where after Tony Sopran has a Peyote Trip, he goes to Dr Melfi and talks about an epiphany he had. He says that your mother is like the bus driver on a bus, and you are the passenger. She takes you down the road and drops you off at a station. Instead of walking on into the wide world, you spend your entire life trying to get back on the bus. But that was never the point. The Bus was only there to drop you off where you are. It's genius and sums up a lot of male anxiety and bitterness about women.

Dude, in terms of technique on how to pick up chicks and maintaining relationships with women, this sub is the best. The users here are genuine dudes trying to help each other and I love you guys. You are the guy's I'd want to shoot the shit with and have a beer.

BUT, don't OD on red pill philosophy. You hate women, because THEY ARE HUMAN. what you hate about women is really just a scapegoat for the harshness and intrinsic unfairness of life. Women are capable, just as men, of being selfish, self-absorbed and superficial. Just like how men are equally capable of being Elon Musk or Adolf Hitler.

The beauty of a woman is in her subtelties. If you want to enjoy her in a pure red-pill framework, go out with her to a social event, and for 30 minutes, don't think about any games. Just sit back and enjoy where you are. Just think about what a socially superior dude you are BECAUSE YOU ARE WITH HER. Like when you drive down the road in a really nice car, and notice people admiring your car. There's one plus.

And these negatives that you speak of can be seen as positives. You say she just agrees with everything you say. Well, take a step back and ENJOY the fact that she has so much implicit trust in you, so much respect for you that she feels that your opinion is the only opinion WORTH HAVING. Do you see where I'm going with this.

I think what you and all red-pillers need to do is get all the red-pill game, and have it be so ingrained in your psyche that it becomes SECOND NATURE. By that I mean it is in your subconcious, so you are not spending every minute of the day thinking about it. Once you do this, you can start enjoying yourself a little more.

AssumeFormlessness · 2017-03-25T12:05:46+00:00

I must congratulate you, you have learnt a valuable lesson. This is what it's like when you truly take pussy off the pedestal. You understand that women can only bring you pleasure, which only feeds your ego mind, in the form of a few feel good hormones and social validation, but can not bring you fulfilment and ultimately joy in life. People say "depressed" or "sad phase of TRP", but I don't just buy into that. This is a sign that you know deep inside you that you have a purpose, a mission in life, that stand above any woman and the only power she will ever have over you, that is her wet hole between her legs. If you can embrace this in your life, stand above and be independent of women, social validation, outcome and desires, and I assure you, you will be greatly rewarded in one way or another.

GenghisKhanSpermShot · 2017-03-24T16:34:49+00:00

You're not really meeting the right women and I think you fell off the deep end of TRP.

Throwawaytodaytfp · 2017-03-24T19:18:44+00:00

Women tend to go along with the current cultural Zeitgeist a bit more than men for myriad reasons but a big factor is that a woman likes to reduce her chances of conflict because a) she's not going to be physically capable of winning and b) because being seen as embroiled in one can be harmful to her perceived status

Sounds like you're just dealing with some quite ignorant and unintelligent people though - I've known both genders to behave this way and it's usually due to lack of intellect or emotional awareness.

Advice? Don't be naive. People are people, reap what enjoyment you can out of social interactions and don't, whatever you do, try and close yourself off from others.

Dr-Mantis-Tobogan · 2017-03-25T04:52:54+00:00

The interesting girls YOURE looking for are always in the same place YOU are. You like to stay at home? So does she. Playing video games? So is she.

FerrusMan · 2017-03-25T15:23:43+00:00

"Kinda feels immoral to/act in ways that women find attractive. "

Yes I found this as well. I have a strong moral compass, and when I unplugged the whole world flipped upside down for me. Understanding that women aren't attracted to bad boys in spite of that, they are attracted to bad boys BECAUSE of that. (being bad) One of many red pill examples.

You aren't alone in dealing with this.

ShakaLeonidas · 2017-03-24T01:50:01+00:00

Your just in the melancholy depression phase of digesting the pill. Blue pill conditioning has side effects. Its like someone whos religious coming to the conclusion their isnt a God( im not atheist). Its a meta level existential crisis finding out about the nature of females after you've been conditioned and groomed for decades to believe otherwise. Appreciate them for what they are. They serve a purpose just rember they are vessels to be filled, thats it. Past that point your asking for too much. Back in the day they manipulated men for survival so they had to be experts. Now its recreatiomal so they half ass at it and expect for you to fill in the blanks. They don't get more interesting. You get better and the ones you encounter either get prettier or looser.

buzzmerchant · 2017-03-24T10:53:58+00:00

I'm in a similar boat. I find it hard to even hit on girls any more, because i know i don't really want them. It's like, why take the risk and make myself vulnerable for a prize i don't even want.

max_peenor · 2017-03-24T16:38:18+00:00

sex without meaning

Sex has a singular meaning; to cause you to bathe her baby machine with genetic material. If you are looking for the validation or true purpose between jizz spurts, you really need to spend some time on a mountain top. Sex is fun though and promotes good health, so have fun and be healthy.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-25T02:27:36+00:00

Stop trying to appreciate women as if they're men.

'This orange sucks cause it's totally not like apples'

Do you realize how much harder women would be to deal with if most thought for themselves! With the average girl's logic? Lol

So many men can barely handle women as it is!

TheLaughingRhino · Sat Mar 25 4:21:36 2017 UTC

Going to say a few things that are just not politically correct.

Over time, I've met people, both male and female, who were molested as kids by a relative. Sometimes a parent, or an uncle, or someone close to the family where they were indirectly a "part of the family" I have never ever in my life ever met anyone I knew who was molested and came out the other side in one piece. There is something simply "broken" about them in a way I'll never ( thankfully) understand.

My take on guys who can't get past the anger phase with women, esp with "unplugging" is a lot of guys, I suspect, have had some pretty crappy mothers. If you had a truly craptastic mother, I'm not sure the core building blocks are there to formulate the apathy needed to deal with most women. I just think it's a subject most people don't want to talk about. David Chase said Tony Soprano and his relationship with his mother, Livia, was sourced from his own experiences with his mother growing up, and that he intentionally made it comedic most of the time because there was no other way to conceal the pure tragedy of it.

If a guy's mother was simply a truly horrible human being, on every level, not sure that guy can cross through to the other side, to get past the anger phase, without it bubbling up again and again. Because unlike most basic irritating women, you can't escape the person who raised you. Who set the archetype that only reinforced the kind of behavior that kept getting the guy hurt over and over again. People seek the familiar, if you grew up with a toxic woman, all you know is toxic women and it's easy to fall into a future relationship with one.

I ran into a married woman I know, while running errands, and she let me know her husband was out of town for work for a month, and then she kept asking me what I was doing this weekend. I have really chemistry with her, and she has a lot of pretty cool qualities. Something I keep in the back of my head is - If I was her husband, would I be all that happy if she was talking/interacting with another guy in the same manner in which she talks/flirts/be suggestive as she does with me?

Commitment seems pointless to be honest. Just look at how most women with BFs and husbands act. They might not all be hunting for you to cheat with, but it's not hard to feel out one who is clearly open/looking to cheat/branch swing/trade up/etc.

Nothing wrong with asking yourself if the juice is worth the squeeze. If it's not, then maybe it's just not for you. Maybe it's like War Games, for some guys, maybe the optimal strategy is not to play in the first place.

Best answer I can give is find your passion in life or one of several passions. Associate with people within that passion ( i.e. like rock climbing) and maybe you'll meet someone who shares the passion. The interest might not be totally the other person, but that you can both relate to something you both connect with on some level. I think this might bypass some of the boring and predictable behaviors that turn you off.

Some guys I've met, if I've met their mother, I can see exactly why they are broken and it might not ever change. Not for how they see and how they deal with women in general.

RedPillRobin · 2017-03-25T12:02:06+00:00

Welcome to the bitter taste of the red pill. Taking the red pill is more like choking it down for a few years.

Honestly man I have went through the same thing and what I do is try to see the good characteristics in them. Like how I read the Bible a lot and every girl im with suddenly finds Jesus. But to me that's submission that's letting me be the man and she is willing to become what I am. Also love when a girl really sees you as high value she will work so hard to please you in every way. Now we know this is a temporary thing but it's really amazing when a girl looks up to you and respects the hell out of you.

I guess I'm saying look at them differently see what's good.

GAbiguy32 · 2017-03-24T11:41:51+00:00

Just embrace your inner queer. You obviously enjoy the company of men more than women, so quit lying to yourself. Give one of your bros a hand sometime. I can already tell you will like it more than you think you would.

lonewolf-chicago · 2017-03-24T09:00:53+00:00

Challenge yourself. Find something you appreciate about them and it might just be physical but challenge yourself

[deleted] · 2017-03-24T15:43:11+00:00

You are confusing your desire for spiritual/philosophical growth with "Love" from a woman. Its very common, happens to almost everyone. Not even landing a true unicorn will get rid of that hunger though because the solution is internal.

dowgeni · 2017-03-24T19:38:23+00:00

This is very common when people take the RedPill. You will realize, however, that there are some girls that are awesome to hangout with and brings out stuff that you can't found with male friends.

The key is to make sure you are attractive enough for these girls and that you are in a location where you can meet a lot of them.

OneRedYear · 2017-03-24T19:39:51+00:00

Stop expecting shit. All I expect is for my dick to get wet and make some money. That's it. I don't require anything from a woman at all. I'll enjoy sex and if we have sex again, cool. If not, cool. Fun is fun.

godfatherchimp · 2017-03-24T20:01:21+00:00

You just need to know what to expect from women. They are a specific kind of fun that you can't have with your male friends. And your male friends provide you with a specific kind of fun you could never have with your women. That's why it's important to fill your life with one or more women that you fuck, and quality male friends. It's very fun to have both when you know what to expect.

zephyrprime · 2017-03-24T21:19:01+00:00

"do you guys just have a skill for pushing down how boring and irritating women can get?"

You have to accept reality as it is not as you want it to be.

"Kinda feels immoral to/act in ways that women find attractive."

It is immoral but they are attracted to evil not good. What choice do you have?

"Maybe I should go for women that are really challenging and as high quality as I can get instead of ones that take less time and dont hold themselves up to a high standard?"

You should. There are few of those. Even if you get a better grade of woman, AWALT still applies.

RPmatrix · 2017-03-25T03:53:59+00:00

Any advice?

You've already answered your own question "raise the bar"

Maybe I should go for women that are really challenging and as high quality as I can get instead of ones that take less time and dont hold themselves up to a high standard?

It doesn't take great effort and skill to be a decent fuck, however I can't say the same about being a decent human being

what you're looking for bro is "intimacy", (something TRP doesn't seem to discuss, maybe as to what constitutes 'intimacy' is quite a subjective thing? idk)

but I think it's eventually going to need to, as IMO/E all LTR's are based upon 'understanding, intimacy and trust' ... and good sex, but that's the easy part

JFMX1996 · 2017-03-25T04:04:35+00:00

Yeah, and the few girls that do have hobbies like them more so in an attempt to be a special snowflake to try really hard to be "unique" and stand out.

It gets irritating. At this point I can talk to girls pretty easily and get numbers, but I feel you. It's just not as interesting anymore outside the initial ego boost of getting a number and staying well-practiced in your ability.

It's more satisfying to build yourself up as a man, pick up your own hobbies, gain knowledge and wisdom, make quality guy friends that are like brothers, and have good adventures in life.

Class_Punk · 2017-03-25T14:14:19+00:00

I generally feel the same. I have had some women subtlety throwing themselves at me who I could have just plated, but I don't care about casual sex or dealing with shit tests and I've stayed a virgin instead. I simply don't give a damn, my ultimate goal in life isn't believing in some kind of romantic love that evidence suggests doesn't exist in women, my ultimate goal in life is to be legendary.

analyticaltoafault · 2017-03-25T18:40:14+00:00

Just remember, as much as the BS extremists will insist otherwise, or basically shift topics and blame men for being awful, men made this fucking world. Men have been the ones crafting valuable societial virtues from day 1.

That said, it should be obvious that you are tragically suffering trying to find something that does not existb. Women are not for that.

Get your tribe together and bring good women in to enjoy their pleasurable moments.

I've been where you are. Focus not on getting your dick wet, but what manifests eudaimonia from within you. Place yourself into situations that give you opportunities to excel and display what you're capable of, and you'll come across someone that you can get addicted to loving again, hopefully this time with the ability to be mindful of this addiction and manage it with the experience you've gained leading your life and the lives of others.

Women should not be THE challenge you set for yourself in life man.

Mckallidon · 2017-03-25T20:44:46+00:00

I can barely pay attention to them when they talk and wonder how the fuck they can be so self-absorbed they don't even notice be trying to not fall asleep until it's time to pound.

Omegeria · 2017-03-25T23:43:03+00:00

Either turn bi(sexually is 50% from nurture you can do it), or treat the boring women in full Tupac bitches ain't shit mode.

PowerVitamin · 2017-03-25T23:53:46+00:00

Sounds like you're choking on the pill bud.

You have to replace societal (BP) morality with your morality. One, as you claimed, based on honour.

Aaronindhouse · 2017-03-26T01:59:51+00:00

Women are not meant to be interesting dude. They don't exist to fulfill the intellectual or mechanical things that interest you. That's what your friends are for.

RedPillersareCucks · 2017-03-24T06:21:03+00:00

Maybe I should go for women that are really challenging and as high quality as I can get instead of ones that take less time and dont hold themselves up to a high standard?

Yes. It sounds like you are miserable going after dumb sluts who fulfill your stereotypes about being inferior. That's not a universal female trait; like men, there's a large variety of women. There's tons of mouthbreathing idiot cavemen who couldn't hold a conversation to save their lives. They're dumb, boring, and completely uninteresting people.

Though fair warning if you are going to go after intelligent women who are challenging and hold themselves to high standards: If you view women as boring and stupid who will cheat at the drop of the hat, or let them know you think that, most of them will think of you the same way you currently think of women- like a knuckledragging misogynist. That'll leave you with only bottom of the barrel women who conform to your stereotypes.

klethra · 2017-03-25T18:42:01+00:00

am I a horrible cunt

This one. You've somehow managed to ignore the fact that women have more goals and purposes in life than riding your dick. When you flirt with them, they flirt back. If that bores you, try not flirting with them. You might be surprised that they have personalities.

FrancoB42 · 2017-03-24T19:39:31+00:00

You're generalizing on some points, but I understand your frustration; there is only 1 gender, women are objects, use them as you would a toy

canlrn96 · 2017-03-25T00:09:53+00:00

How have you gotten your game to the point where they are "predictable" any resources in particular?

Insydeinformation · 2017-03-27T13:29:24+00:00

This is why I try to target women with IQs above 130. Talking about the financial news during cowgirl sex - oh how I love that shit...

Bankus · 2017-03-24T10:11:01+00:00

There are loads of interesting, entertaining birds out there. You need to change your surroundings.

Geraltski · 2017-03-24T00:57:54+00:00

Bla bla bla, women will be as low quality as society allows them to be just as most men. You took a recoloured pill. Why do you think most on here are still virgins? This "redpill" doesn't offer anything but ego stroking, materialism, narcissism and nihilism. Fascism is where it's at. Be a man like your forefathers and let's fix this shit while the faggots here cry and whine about how it should be but rather partake in it like the women they hate than fix it as men should.

Bankus · 2017-03-24T20:02:20+00:00

Kinda sad dude. I love women and I'd much rather be around them than men. I have about a dozen female friends (3 of whom I bang regularly) and one guy friend I hang out with once every six months.

ReluctantH · 2017-03-25T15:28:20+00:00

You're gay dude. Seriously, it's okay.

FreedomSaoirse · 2017-03-25T18:51:18+00:00

I am one hundred percent sure you people don't have enough experience with women

Title	I just cannot bring myself to enjoy/appreciate women
Author	NewtonianCooking
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Date	March 23, 2017 11:50 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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