Relinquishing your anger.

50-cal · 2014-05-27T16:10:54+00:00

I fully endorse this post. TRP has far too much bitter bullshit and not enough "LEARN.TO.PLAY.THE.FUCKING.GAME". We get it, women can be shitty, learn to use it.

On the flip side though, AWALT.

outercourse · 2014-05-27T15:49:04+00:00

I get what you're saying. Patrice's Black Phillip Show had a bunch of vitriol too, and it's important to remember the purpose that it serves. I had to come here to get some of the poison out, and the hateful posts serve that purpose; as Patrice said, "there's no [other] place a guy can go to just hate a bitch." TRP is that place, and that phase is just part of the process for some dudes.

Think about it like a night of heavy drinking. Put a bunch of booze into the body and it feels great at the time (even though it's artificial). When you eventually WAKE UP chances are you're going to feel like shit. Maybe the booze made you do some stupid shit or you got arrested or embarrassed yourself. TRP is like your big brother who doesn't care if you make a mess puking in his bathroom because he knows that's the only thing that will make you feel better. When you've got the poison out and you're feeling better you'll be met with a red Gatorade and no judgement. You can start your day feeling brand new with a brand new outlook. Just remember that, when it comes time for you to pay it forward, you're gonna have to let the new guys puke in your bathroom before he's ready for that refreshing red Gatorade.

N0ty0urHuckl3b3rry · 2014-05-27T15:46:59+00:00

I like this post. Women aren't evil. Even most of the noxious ones are usually just doing it out of instinct rather than malice. Also it helps to compare what is going on with common sense, usually you will be able to figure out the correct answer to any issue. K-I-S-S or Occum's Razor.

GiveMeABreak25 · 2014-05-27T16:25:45+00:00

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paracog · 2014-05-27T15:51:55+00:00

Thank you for saying this. I think much of this is implied in the wiser posts, but it's good to have this perspective clearly stated. Red Pill works for gaining understanding and skills, self-respect and motivation. Not to be used as justification for unworthy motives, words or actions.

aresta · 2014-05-27T15:44:44+00:00

Quality post. Really, the OP did a great job walking the line and not concern trolling.

Your anger can be put to constructive use, but if you stay angry it limits you. (except in your deadlifts. Holy shit, is anger ever useful in deadlifts.)

vengefully_yours · 2014-05-27T18:45:04+00:00

My anger is my fuel, my motivation, it keeps me warm. Its not anger at the system, nor is it at women, its usually derived from my inability to achieve something, figure out a problem, or the fact that I missed something obvious and got fucked up by it.

Rage is something else for me. I get that from being frustrated, either by others trying to hold me back, feeling helpless such as with legal bullshit, or having no options I want to take, or when I'm prevented by circumstance from acting.

Either way, I mostly get mad at myself or my circumstances, not all of which are due to my actions.

87GNX · 2014-05-27T18:21:59+00:00

Compare the fitness of the median gay man with the fitness of the median straight man. Now compare the fitness of the median straight woman with the fitness of the median lesbian woman.

Gay men = by and large, fit as fuck, with exceptions (bear subculture) Straights = the average american schlub, BMI of 32. Lesbians = THAR SHE BLOWS

Male sexuality drives physical fitness. Ergo, as women have gained increased power in the sexual market they have ballooned. A smalltown 50's girl knew she had to be married off by 22 or so and kept herself accordingly. Carousel-riders feel free to put on the flab.

What does this mean for you? Well if you're Roosh or GayLubeOil it's a source of endless consternation that so many women are unsuited for pump-and-dump/soft harem membership. But if you're at all LTR oriented there is gold to be had in pairing off with a gal who's a bit overweight, gaining control of the relationship, and pushing her to slim down. Ideally this nets you a fit chick without the ego complex that comes from having been a fit chick since junior high.

Fat acceptance works against this, but you can pretty easily sort the slightly pudgy homely girl from the tatted, pierced tumblr user with an ego that outpaces legitimate HB9s.

ThePhantomL0Ler · 2014-05-27T20:22:59+00:00

Most women don’t identify themselves as feminists.

And what if they do? There's nothing wrong with mainstream feminism. Its about equality in life, which isn't a threat to men at all.

Yes, there are some extremist elements who skew feminism to their own vision. Here's the key point: they're just angry, like the angry guys in here who've been burned by women.

There are plenty of scumbag guys around who treat women badly. Some of those victims become bitter and hate on men. They don't represent mainstream feminism, just like bitter men around here don't represent the greater community here.

I've only started reading this sub recently, and I've found it pretty sad how many guys think feminism is the root of all problems. If that's your conclusion, then you're wasting time focusing on unrelated things.

RMessmann · 2014-05-27T20:27:48+00:00

I've been wanting to say something like this myself.

There are plenty of women out there who aren't shitty.

You want to know the truth? Birds of a feather flock together.

Shit attracts shit. Don't waste your time on women who suck, because there are plenty who don't. Leave the liars and the cheaters for the guys who are like them. They deserve each other.

You're among the enlightened. You don't have to buy into the bullshit anymore. You know how to get the knowledge you need to cover your own ass, and work on your own happiness with the tools that you have at your disposal.

There are so many women who go home at night to their dogs or cats, and their books wondering how they will ever find a good guy. They don't hang out in skeevy clubs or go to bars looking for random dick.

You just have to be that guy. You'll find them.

bradyo2 · 2014-05-27T20:52:13+00:00

I liked this post and probably needed to read it. Thank you.

2014-05-27T21:49:21+00:00

the average guy got man boobs.

only in 'Murica, not here in the true north strong and free

adamlikesprettygirls · 2014-05-28T01:56:05+00:00

finally some perspective. props OP

Blackrean · 2014-05-28T14:33:58+00:00

By far the best post I've ever read on TRP. I originally came here to learn more about self improvement and being a better man. Most of what I see however is anger toward and demonization of women in general. And stories with varying levels of veracity about juvenile sexual conquests. Great post my friend, I hope this helps change the direction of this sub.

arvindg87 · 2014-05-27T21:01:42+00:00

Something that I read on this sub and that helped move through the different rp stages is the story of the frog and the scorpion. After this realization there is no hate, only understanding: "A scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature. The fable is used to illustrate the position that the natural behaviour of some creatures is inevitable, no matter how they are treated and no matter what the consequences"

eccentricrealist · 2014-05-27T17:04:32+00:00

Yeah, the reason a lot of guys that internalize TRP get bitter is because they come here every day reading stories about betas that were abandoned by women, or fat women who think they're beautiful, when really, this doesn't happen so often, we just get to know about it more.

RedPillJohnny · 2014-05-27T16:57:05+00:00

...and remember that anger is a phase that will go away once it is addressed. When I first got here I was at the tail end of my rage phase and I thought it would never end...but it has...through my actions (going my own way, lifting, attitude adjustment, etc.), through finding a vocabulary and philosophy that aided me in describing and understanding just what the fuck is going on and through a community of men, that used to exist at the barber shop and the pool hall but does not exist now (if it does it is rare and precious!)...except in this sub!

RMessmann · 2014-05-27T22:09:49+00:00

Anger is the second wound an enemy gives you.

Its easy to be angry. But anger is detrimental. Anger is a choice, and letting go of anger removes a power that the other has over you.

ohsweetword · 2014-05-27T23:07:26+00:00

Great points. The cream rises to the top.

Be the fucking cream.

2014-05-27T16:01:51+00:00

Good post, not everything is black and white.

2014-05-27T18:33:35+00:00

Great post.

2014-05-27T19:08:21+00:00

I'm not sure what to do. It's a post with valid points and good arguments and it's in this sub.....i'm scared.

Skuncan_Diles · 2014-05-27T20:59:11+00:00

They think that women care for personality/love more than looks. Movies portray this bull shit all the time that a nice guy that goes out of his way for a hot girl will eventually come around. That’s what the whole nice guy whining is about, men think that being nice will result them in being attractive. Accept that women care for a nice hard body as much as you care for “that ass.”

You do a good job at deflating some misguided generalizations, but on this point I disagree. For some women a good body is part of the reason they're attracted to a guy, but rarely the main reason. (And body preferences differ - I know one girl who likes a guy to have a big beer belly.) Many women favor a good sense of humor or interesting personality over looks.

Note that "good personality" is not the same thing as "being nice." Being unconditionally nice is boring and bland.

barcoed · 2014-05-28T00:19:09+00:00

<3<3<3<3 This is one of the only posts on TRP I have actually liked reading. If you are ever in Northern VA I will buy you lunch/a beer. Thanks so much for sharing and attempting to bring some sanity to this subreddit.

musicmusicmusic420 · 2014-05-28T01:40:52+00:00

I can't begin to fathom why this toxic post has so many up-votes. Let me respond to your pseudo-intellectualism.

On feminism.

Feminists dictate what is acceptable behavior with respect to how men and women should interact, which is why there's a war on masculinity in EVERY critical institution in North America, and it shows up in the behavior of all women, even if they don't identify as feminists.

Nobody here said every woman in the world is some angry bull-dyke feminist, we're angry because their influence has infected everyone and everything, to the point where men are growing up as docile little bitches who don't know how to get their needs met.

On fat acceptance:

I wouldn't give a shit about this topic except that I'm constantly being SHAMED for not finding grotesque fat whale women attractive and I'm being bombarded with this delusional world view regarding weight on all my social media pages. This subject AFFECTS me. I don't /want/ a world filled with fat pigs who think they deserve to be loved for their beautiful souls as they stuff their mouths with doritos.

Female Attraction:

The biggest source of guys being upset is that they had their balls taken from them at a young age and were never taught what it means to be a man and develop the skills necessary to generate attraction and get their needs met.

There is /nothing/ wrong with righteous anger. Where men get in to trouble is when they use that anger to propel them towards DISORDER (a la Elliot Rodger) instead of ORDER (a la The Red Pill).

Nobody can deny you your right to be angry. Try to suppress your nature and see where it gets you. Use your anger to compel you towards a better life.

2014-05-27T19:20:12+00:00

Violence is the language of the incompetent. Willfully going out of your way to expose yourself to people and things which will annoy and bother you is insane.

2014-05-27T20:14:58+00:00

Ah yes the balance has been restored.

Olipyr · 2014-05-27T20:15:01+00:00

Great shit! Should be a stickied post for awhile. I understand the anger, but let it go and put that anger into something useful that will improve your life. We've ALL been at that stage. The real men will take it and push into a new level of life.

One thing I have to comment on is about female attraction, though. As a guy who has let himself go a bit, the lack of confidence is what mainly affects the attraction. It has not stopped women from ogling when I'm dressed up, though.

I do have a gorgeous face. That's one thing a lot of women have told me. "If the guy has a gorgeous face, they can let the body slide just a little", is what I've heard, or something to that extent, countless times from women that would be rated at a 7+.

That does not mean to slack off with your body. Bust ass in the gym and get that body to go with the face. I'm working hard to get myself back into the shape when I had the most success with fucking a few different women every month.

This is for me, not for them.

hamstercide · 2014-05-27T22:17:04+00:00

They think that women care for personality more than looks.

But they do, or at least behaviour/personality counts, in addition to looks. They care for a confident, alpha personality. I think this can overcome a looks deficit to females.

ennybm · 2014-05-27T22:41:39+00:00

Turn that rage into energy to do stuff. It's a a very good fuel source, just keep it in control.

My personal daily quote reminder of this: "Flame, dear flame.. I give you my all, and you waver and falter"

gprime312 · 2014-05-27T23:39:44+00:00

This should be permanently at the top of TRP. Too many people see the angsty, frustrated dudes spouting female hate and think we're all like that. TRP doesn't mean all women are evil, it means women are different creatures than men.

2014-05-28T00:18:08+00:00

The bitterness as a part of men realizing they've been mislead isn't going to go away it will always be there, quietly sleeping in the back of the minds who move forward and in full rage and vitriol at the front of the minds of those who have just been ushered beyond a curtain they never knew was there previously.

ThorIbanez · 2014-05-28T01:26:57+00:00

I am in agreement, and your english needs work.

john-b · 2014-05-28T01:41:54+00:00

While I agree with many points, I'm not so sure it's as black & white as some make it seem. There are many shades.

InazumaKiiick · 2014-05-28T04:11:18+00:00

Thank you! I've been waiting for a post like this! I've always refrained from associating myself with The Red Pill because of all the extremely butthurt guys her making out all women to be miniature fragments of mecha hitler

Stationary_Wagon · 2014-05-28T09:30:47+00:00

Post is removed. Now all comments are worthless. What's with the removal?

Three_Tracks · 2014-05-28T20:48:28+00:00

I love this. This is the direction we need to go boys. I am glad someone here can articulate it well.

This is the first time I have visited TRP in some weeks after being disgusted by all the retarded posts that were so bad I don't even remember them to comment. This is quality stuff here lets keep the vibe going.

megatron37 · 2014-05-27T23:59:52+00:00

Agreed, especially with the fat acceptance thing. Who really gives a shit.

bmunny1963 · 2014-05-28T00:26:26+00:00

Thanks for this post. Just saw a segment on Chris Hayes's show where this site was specifically mentioned as part of a growing Men's Rights Movement that is fomenting hate for women and fueling the rages of murderous assholes like that Rodgers kid. I'm new to redpill but I think that the characterization of this site was simplistic and unfair. Your post is a good example of the breadth of views in this forum. This site may have some misogynists looking for validation but I find that it's more about men helping other men see and deal with bitter truths about power and gender.

HerrV · 2014-05-28T21:38:55+00:00

Is it possible to make it so that new subscribers (let's say first 3 months) are not allowed to make new topics? And perhaps even post for the first month?

Hell, I lurked for way more than 3 months before even commenting in a thread because I was a newbie - as should everyone.

vandaalen · 2014-05-27T16:56:34+00:00

The thing is that you have to make your peace with reality.

It's been told here so many times, but I will say it again: Women are like children. A woman of average mental health is not doing the things she's doing because she is evil, but because it's her nature and she is programmed to do so. She is an emotional thinker and therefore she hamsters. She hamsters and therefore she creates drama. And if nobody stops her and teaches her in the right time than she will end up on tumbler and propagate all the shit she propagates.

If you need to hate somebody than hate men. Hate the men that gave and give women all the power they possess today. Hate the polititcians who against better knowledge sold and sell their bros for power and wealth. Hate the studio bosses in Hollywood because they teach their Disney fantasies to society for power and money. Hate the Freud, Marx and Engels because they introduced the concept of the patriarchial society which oppresses women to the public. Hate yourself or hate me because it took us so long to acknowledge reality opposed to what we always knew deeply in ourselves, and we let slip many opportunities where we could have spoken up and taught a woman of a better way. Or hate whoever you want to.

But don't hate the women. They don't know any better. It's your obligation to teach them not to hate them.

RedPillWisdom · 2014-05-27T19:01:28+00:00

Don't hate them, just don't trust them. Understand their moral limits, and work within those boundaries.

valesauce · 2014-05-27T22:16:59+00:00

You don't seem to understand what it's like to be a low smv man treated like disposable gabage. Your girl gave you money? Must have some sick alpha game and genetics to pull that off. There's guys who were simply born and raised to be unattractive, and they had to go through the school of hard knocks from getting their soul stomped on repeatedly by both men and women who wanted to see them fail. All the master Pua blogs have an author who was a typical nerd who just wanted a girl to call his, you think they won't be a little pissed over learning how degenerate women's nature leads them to behave? Have you ever watched a woman you like reject you and then watch her go willingly into the arms of a drug dealer? Do you know how utterly humiliating and disgusted that makes you feel? Most of them can never respect a woman ever again because they know all she wants is his power and status. Call me bitter, be yet another douche to shame men for having a problem with the system, like all the others. I don't hate women, I just can't respect one when I understand why she's into me now as opposed to not back then. I'm the same person I've always been, I just market myself better.

lorrylorry · 2014-05-27T16:00:12+00:00

this is whiny, judgmental concern trolling wherein you let people know that you, personally, have been fortunate, and that you consider this an adequate basis to tell people not to care about their own problems because it hurts your precious girlfeelings to hear them

it's exactly the same whiny, judgmental concern trolling that pops up any and everywhere that men talk about their problems. Take your own advice and "Stop complaining about this shit."

asd1100 · 2014-05-27T18:17:59+00:00

Being stressed out and angry will only make you age and die faster.

So will smoking, but I like it all the same. I agree anger is mostly pointless and it should be incompatible with becoming red. However I recently started to think this comunity feeds of anger, like the fox news public or even tumblerettes, they need issues that legitimate their angst and deflect from their lack of personal progress.

If you go with the mentality that you are going to fuck women to enact some revenge, you really aren’t going to make much progress.

nobody does that, you go out and fuck them because you like fucking. And how is having hot angry hate sex a punishment for the chick? The chicks that fall for a angry dark triad frame usually love that shit.

Most women don’t identify themselves as feminists

Where do these woman live? I want to meet some to. Sorry but feminism is the standard. And when it comes to clashing ideas even a "soft" feminist can overreact when the sisterhood is "threatend"

Plus look at male obesity, the average guy got man boobs. Men and women in this country got a ways to go.

for each yoga girl there are 10 leg beards and they are gaining influence because of the internet.

Accept that women care for a nice hard body as much as you care for “that ass.”

This should indeed be insisted upon, if you still complain about justice in the sexual market you are still blue, despite posting it in this reddit. MRAs are incompatible with the red pill because of this and they are a toxic influence on this comunity.

Outrage Porn Theredpill has a lot of stories about negative and nasty things women do to teach men about women’s nature. However, don’t let this become your view of women. There are plenty of good things women do

Do not equate morality of actions with morality of people. Any person can do bad or good according to their interests. Men however need red pill examples, to internalise that when it comes to serving ones interest women have no scruples, and it is only fair they stop having them as well. This doesn't mean becoming a asshole that kills kittens for fun, just that ones boundaries should take precendece over everything else and you should defend them at all cost. This is the only type of post where sharing ones experiences and expresing anger can lead to growth.

Title	Relinquishing your anger.
Author	aresta
Upvotes	431
Comments	161
Date	May 27, 2014 3:15 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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