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So... after my post about withdrawing attention from my GF, I got warned about you guys :^)

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Title So... after my post about withdrawing attention from my GF, I got warned about you guys :^)
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Date June 25, 2013 7:34 AM UTC
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[–]rodz7 27 points28 points29 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Real alpha guys hardly spend their time on antisocial anonymous websites.."

So goes to all this effort to PM on said 'antisocial anonymous website', yet he is a 'real alpha guy'. The irony is certainly lost on this bloke.

[–]_Molon_Labe_ 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't aware 5-10 minutes in the morning while I drink my coffee is spending a lot of time here.

[–]The_smartest_man_evr 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What drives a man to say those things? is he that lost?

[–]MartialWay 18 points19 points20 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He's probably not a guy.

[–]cooledcannon 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thats what i thought

[–]FingerRoot -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except he never says he is an "alpha guy" or even a guy at all

[–]new2RP 74 points75 points76 points 13 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

The funny part is that TRP isn't so powerful because it uses any brain washing techniques, or that it makes huge promises of getting laid with no effort. It sheds precise light on all the shit we've experienced our whole life. "Normal" women falling over themselves for an alpha man, asshole or not. We know that even if you're not a "fake" nice guy expecting sex for treating her with everything she wants, you will still not give a woman the excitement she craves.

TheRedPill is popular because it makes all those little mysterious puzzle pieces FINALLY fit. It sheds perfect logical light on all that shit in our lives that seemed to be "mysterious" about the antithetical behavior of women. Even if every single claim by other men in TRP was false, even if every guy was lying through their teeth about the success they have in getting laid, it STILL wouldn't prevent me from truly valuing what I've learned. I am becoming a more self confident person, I'm becoming less confused about the opposite sex, and even if the alpha behaviors I'm slowly trying to adopt DON'T give me an edge when it comes to relationships and sleeping with women, it STILL will have increased my confidence enough to let THAT pave the way for better success in dating.

TheRedPill isn't selling something, it's giving away truth, truth that many people don't want out there

Edit: spelling

[–]DaddyMonster 23 points24 points25 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What you write reflects my view of TRP.

TRP isn't a cookie cutter solution. In much the same way there there are no real, lasting and healthy short cuts when it comes to getting rid of overweight, TRP requires hard work. It isn't pleasant. In fact, it's downright painful, but you better off when you've implemented it.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have a very keen radar for cultish mentalities (developed at a young age when I made the mistake to get interested in the Scientology cult), and it pleases me that despite TRP being a bit "extreme" (i.e. differs a lot from the socially accepted norms) I sense little to no sings of cultishness. Well, sometimes bit of conspiracy theory feeling regarding feminism, but not much. Sometimes are people a bit too keen on NAWALT which can be a tad bit cultish - cults tend to give out simple answers and turn off critical thinking - but again not much.

In most cases what I see in TRP is developing the ability to think critically about different situations without the rosy glasses our modern culture tends to give, showing methods that require significant effort, and there is a certain emphasis that one size does not fit all. That is very un-cultish.

[–]Grand_Designs 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good observation. Think of TRP as a body of knowledge, the building of an open source from anecdotal evidence learned from PUA for the purpose of getting what we want from the opposite sex. But for the sake of argument, the typical crap relationship book in big box bookstore doesn't address how the waves of Feminism (from a social construct/attitude) have wrecked havoc in destabilizing the genders. To PC? Hopefully, we'll find more bloggers in the Sphere like Rollo who keep pushing the knowledge base forward. There is a definite chasm it what we've learned all our lives viz a vie how far different reality is when dealing with the opposite sex. Seems like too much work, doesn't it?

[–]Repealer 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

female decency died a long time ago

I sure hope not man, and I hope not vise versa either. Men and women aren't half as different as people make them out to be. Men can be winey bitches just as much as women can be aggressive assholes. I personally see TRPers as winey bitches who at some point may have been wronged or possibly never tried. I really sympathize with you on your first love man, i really really do. But she was one girl (who was your best fucking friend) and she did not feel the same way. It happens. Women/Girls aren't lying because they want the attention of their bestfriend for the rest of their lives, they really just don't like you. She eventually was screwed over in the end by a dick (do you want to be that person to someone?). Also can you be that person to someone? Also saying all that is just well and fine and you may "want [your] fair share of the pussy" but I can tell you that if you think you can follow their advice and get any, you will be surely disappointed both now and later. I'm not telling you to be a feminist but treat others like you'd want someone to treat you and if they don't treated you equally then move on, don't damn their entire gender to the title of unworthy. Hope we learned a little from each other. If you'd like to talk further than I am always available.

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[–]r_rships_account 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this update with what I take to be this person's next missive?

[–]Repealer -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yes, haven't replied yet

[–]somehokie 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Try to make it a little more clear then. I was a bit confused at first. Try putting a "Next message from him/her" above it, instead of just the MORE underneath it. But thanks for the update!

[–]Endevour 39 points40 points41 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Every single time someone tries to come up with some sort of criticism of TRP, it always boils down to accusations of being neckbeard virgins and misogynists. I have not seeing a single valid argument that points out logical fallacies, or discrepancies. This message even goes so far as to try and bait OP away with promises of sex, or rather, the lack of sex from reading this stuff.

[–]sniperhiding 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I still don't get the whole thing with dissing neck beards. Probably because I am in my late 30s,and have no idea what kids are up to these days. And I don't even have facial hair. Edit: I looked it up and it makes sense now. Damn I can't keep up with all these damn memes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ironically, it has been used and abused by the social justice warriors. You know, the ones that attack people for making fun of something someone can't control (skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc)?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget the go-to insult of calling everyone "boys"

[–]Spartacus321 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok, I've been lurking in this sub for a while. Generally, I see many of the same things that a lot of Reddit sees: a general contempt for women. Basically, from the outside, it looks a lot like a group of men who discuss treating women poorly, as if their love lives were a tease or as if the woman's happiness didn't matter. Comments like this one don't do much to sway my opinions into the positive, either. But since you're frustrated with the lack of actual reasoning, I'll try to help out.

First off, the message of TRP seems a bit... incoherent. It's not entirely cohesive to someone coming into your subreddit. From what I've gathered, it seems to be a lot of things at once. For one, a lot of the subreddit seems to be PUA-ish. It seems to revolve around getting women to do what you want. Or maybe a better way to phrase it is "to get what you want out of women". It also seems to be a way of getting men to stop putting women on pedestals, or to get them out of a "beta" mindset. In addition, it also seems to be a bit of a push-back against feminism. Sort of a "reclaiming masculinity", if you will. If you add all of these things together, it becomes convoluted and confusing, and when you throw in angry men (who are apparently angry because they've been lied to about how things work), the whole subreddit's purpose is confusing and off-putting.

Secondly, to anyone outside TRP, the way this subreddit treats sex seems out-dated. I've seen posts regarding "sexual economics" in which it is claimed that a woman uses her sexuality as her only method of gaining resources. This may have been true a long time ago, but now that women are expected to work and go to school and be things that aren't just a housewife, they can get their own resources. To generalize that women just want someone to take care of them and that they're basically just children is a very bold claim, and one that a lot of Redditors, being mostly from this (progressive) generation find insulting.

Lastly, a lot of the content here seems genuinely offensive to women in general. I probably don't have to elaborate this one; you guys have probably heard it all. But it's there. Lots of things that sound incredibly offensive, even if it was taken out of context, and a lot of things that cause a stir cross-over from my previous paragraph as well. Simply put, the way a lot of this subreddit demeans women is what sets a lot of people off.

The reason I commented when I know I'll probably get downvoted (and banned) is that I wanted to tell you how you come off without calling names or being a prick. But I also wanted to say this: occasionally I'll see flashes of things I think are true, things that actually DO help men in general, but then they get buried under feminist-hatred or PUA mentality. For instance, after reading Men in Love, I thought it was obvious that coming into a relationship believing your partner would love you absolutely unconditionally was a bad idea. But even that article seemed to take on a tone that the man was a victim; that he's putting in all of the effort for love and his girlfriend is just not returning it.

When it comes down to it, no matter how many little nuggets of things I agree with on here, I just have too hard a time reconciling how this sub often advocates self-improvement, and then how it advocates negging someone you claim to love to hold their interest. How it's tone towards a woman sleeping around is rather dismissive and it's called a "cock carousel" , but how it advocates keeping "several plates spinning" to lead women on. How it can be spot-on about how many men get their expectations up, and how society often tells them the wrong things about how to attract a girl, and then turns around and would claim that a woman is basically a child that needs leading.

I commented because this duality is incredibly frustrating. On one hand, I can really see how many of these tips are needed by men. But on the other, those tips seem to get thrown by the wayside because a lot of men here seem to be bitter and just want their share of pussy that they feel they've been denied, and they'll make sweeping generalities about women and use evolutionary psychology as an excuse to act like a tool.

So that's it then. I'm not sure really why I specifically thought your comment was the one I wanted to get these things out on, or why I rambled so hard (probably because it's extremely late and I'm very tired), but there it is. I seriously just wish this subreddit wasn't so controversial and dedicated to getting pussy and being an alpha. I may be misunderstanding everything (and if so, feel free to correct me), but I think if this subreddit was more centered around self-improvement and ways to stop thinking in ways that hinder talking to women, instead of just throwing the "16 Commandments of Poon" and evolutionary psychology out there, it'd have a much more positive reaction from the rest of Reddit.

Edit: grammarz

[–]Freiling 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the critique this subreddit needs to see.

[–]Endevour 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good reply. I can actually agree on some of your points. Even though this subreddit does not directly advocate misogyny, there's a lot to be found. Not that TRP stands trying to gain any sort of recognition beyond our borders, mind you. We don't really have to defend anything here. This is why I think TRP is gaining so much popularity.

[–]Spartacus321 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the "no fucks given" way this sub's members carries itself certainly is something of a novelty for the rest of Reddit. If nothing else, I gotta admire the confidence with which Redpillers can speak. Then again... I suppose that's part of the point, isn't it?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

First off, the message of TRP seems a bit... incoherent.

To a lot of people, it's exactly what they need to hear though. I didn't stumble-upon this sub whilst majorly blue-pill. I came here during a transition from purple to red. To use an anaolgy I came here with dots and lines, and some dots connected with some lines, but no idea of what the picture really was. Incoherency is perhaps due to the open forum nature and the 'safe space' that this corner of Reddit is. There are a lot of voices, and a lot of those voices have a different set of dots, a different set of lines, and are putting together their own picture. This isn't done by the mods, or the members, it's the visitors that need to claim it. Dismissing something on first glance is understandable, but as soon as you start to recognise that picture, the more valid the information becomes and the more honed with the brush you will be in eeking out something understandable.

The way this subreddit treats sex seems out-dated.

I agree with, and understand what you're saying, yet this is based on an assumption that we are always progressing everything towards a better version of the one preceding it, whose results would easily quash any thought of alternatives or regressions in action. It has been said that a woman who uses her intelligence to go far in a career, that postpones child-bearing and serious relationships until a later age, may/will get butthurt over the lack of "good guys" that they believe they are due/owed, because they're off trying to stick it into women 10 years younger. On the other hand you have a sexually powerful, adored and beautiful woman that can choose her men at will, and often does, only to continually increase the size of her measuring stick. Neither of these seems to equate to happiness. The time has changed, and we have been told that this new way was/is the correct way. Group think and herd mentality/immunity keep the consensus going due to the repetitve mantras flowing from every source of media. We have listened, we have tried, they have failed, and we have suggested a previously working model.

Simply put, the way a lot of this subreddit demeans women is what sets a lot of people off.

Yes some men say offensive things, and I suppose most of those that do are angry or new-imbibers, (which I have said I am always okay with, as men, society doesn't let us be angry) yet it is both the sugar-coated nature of women that prevents any form of scrutiny or criticism of their actions, and the attention span of the new-comers that prevent them from understanding what we're saying. I don't want pressure placed on me for saying exactly the correct, untwistable, superlatively sourced argument ever known. I want to say what I think for a change. Society has put women on a pedestal, ergo men do too, and to take them down we are demeaning them? Really? My father once shared some RP knowledge with me when I was a teenager regarding this, which has just come to me, he said "first they are grateful, then they expect it, then they demand it". It is not a pleasant existence being aware that certain rules and rulings go against your sex in the courts, yet have no voice heard.

Occasionally I'll see flashes of things I think are true, things that actually DO help men in general, but then they get buried under feminist-hatred or PUA mentality.

That's not really the attitude of a scholar, which is one of the main agreed points men should aim to be. What you seek is rarely on the first page, and almost never in the first book, but this place isn't a book; it's a workshop strewn with parchment of partial ideas and anecdotal evidence. People can lurk here, reading what others say and putting what they see into practice. That, is learning and testing, trial and error, sweat and tears. In my original point I mentioned dots, lines and pictures. This is pretty much the same. We're just not all on the same page. Just because someone would cross your path on the route to your enlightenment, does not mean that they will not end up there too, and certainly doesn't mean that they can't achieve their own because they're not following your road map.

I totally understand how one piece of advice can be great, and only requires you to act upon yourself, but then another piece suggests you act upon another can be seen as a yin/yang philosophy, but we're back to dots here. Our bottom line is basically what works, works.

To just deal with self-improvement is simple, and is really the bulk of the start of what we purport, but the main meat and bones is really evolutionary psychology, and to be honest I've never understood why a lot of people seem to fight so hard against it. As human beings we have been around on Earth for a few hundred thousand years (max) as hunter-gatherers, yet in the last 3000 years technology and society have vastly outstripped our (for lack of a better word) spirituality and... our biological instincts/hardwired animalistic nature. We're not 'smart enough' to 'outsmart' ourselves like a lot of people think. Essentially, you can't take a wolf from the wild and bring it into your home. It takes generations and generations to breed the animal to being timid and complacent. Evolution, as you should know takes a bloody long time! We're just saying 'well, maybe it hasn't been long enough... yet'.

To sum up, you get what you look for in this subreddit, if you want to find it, and if you have the stones to question it. You grow in the way you see fit.

[–]Spartacus321 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I came here mostly to give /u/Endevour what it seemed like he wanted: actual reasons the rest of Reddit doesn't like TRP instead of just throwing mud. Also, I really wanted to start a discussion, because I really have a hard time accepting what is said on this subreddit. I come back every now and then because I see small truths, but like I said, those truths often get thrown in with things I see as blatantly wrong and offensive. But since you took the time to reply to me, I'll extend the same courtesy.

First off, the message of TRP seems a bit... incoherent.

Your response to this was totally understandable. This place is here for dudes to vent and try new things without worrying about being "correct". (The only reason I said this in the first place was because it is one of the reasons Reddit attacks TRP- it's hard to understand)

I agree with, and understand what you're saying, yet this is based on an assumption that we are always progressing everything towards a better version of the one preceding it, whose results would easily quash any thought of alternatives or regressions in action.

This, however, I disagree with. I think this is a lot of Red Pill thinking right here: that there's something fundamentally wrong with female decency these days, and that things would be better back the way 'they were before'. But honestly, how can things be any different? Women wanted rights, they wanted freedom, and they wanted to make their own lives without being judged. So they got it. They now can choose whether or not they want a career, and they are living in a society that's more and more permissive of them finding their sexual identities. They can go and find their own happiness. And whether a girl continues to seek a man that's closer to her ideal, or she takes a career, how is that impeding her happiness if that's what she wants? How has this system "failed"? Sure, there are unfaithful women and the like, but there always were women like that. And quite frankly, I seriously doubt that there was any greater happiness with a "previously working model" than there is right now. And what it seems like you're advocating with that statement is to return to a time before women had these freedoms.

yet it is both the sugar-coated nature of women that prevents any form of scrutiny or criticism of their actions, and the attention span of the new-comers that prevent them from understanding what we're saying.

See, this to me seems to be something that frustrates me the most. The Red Pill seems to think that all men think of women as beyond reproach, and that they just get away with things because they have tits and a pussy. While some men may think that, I certainly don't, and society (at least to me) doesn't seem to think so either. The only people that I can think of that think like that are what you would call "beta's". The ones that are just grateful to have a girl pay any attention to them at all. Other than that, men KNOW women make mistakes and are flawed, just like men themselves. And this "first they are grateful, then they expect it, then they demand it" thing is true of anyone that you give special treatment to, men included. Someone will eventually take things for granted if they don't see that there's effort put into it and that it's something special. As for the courts... well, there are plenty of people who get shafted in court, often unfairly.

As for your last bit about evolutionary psychology: it's fought so hard against because of the way it is presented on this sub (also, I think the criteria for what makes a successful man and a successful partnership has changed, but that's another discussion entirely). No one will deny that a confident, skillful man is attractive, nor will they say any different about a confident, skillful woman. But this subreddit seems dedicated to the concept of the "alpha male", the fit, aloof man who negs his women. That's what puts people off of the idea. I don't think most people would disagree that certain traits in a man are attractive, but the way it is presented in this subreddit and the way this sub's men act towards because they've discovered that women find certain things attractive (shocker!) is pretty off-putting.

[–]anal_cyst -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

how to get laid it two easy steps.

  1. watch what guys that get laid do.

  2. do that thing.

how the fuck can anyone argue with that?

[–]r_rships_account 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What I find funny about the person who sent him this message is that he's not telling OP to be beta because it's the right thing to do, he's telling him to be beta because otherwise (according to this person) he won't get any pussy. This person then criticises /r/TRP for supposedly being willing to go to great lengths to get pussy. It's all just so hypocritical.

[–]dropit_sphere 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"How dare you pursue sex! Don't you know it's a choice a woman makes in a vacuum that you cannot influence, and (yet) if you don't turn from your misogynistic ways you'll never get any?"

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The closer you get to the truth, the louder they scream.

[–]Grand_Designs 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that the truth!

[–]igloo_master 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH

/screaming

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NO! THEY'RE LYING!

[–]p3ndulum 23 points24 points25 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"Hello My fellow RedPiller"?

Um.

[–]rodz7 38 points39 points40 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

tips fedora

[–]Repealer 16 points17 points18 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

turns on pussy magnet

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Where do you install this pussy magnet?

[–]Nutz76 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mine goes in the codpiece of my black knight armor.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good response. Especially since you touched on something that most people don't grasp about The Red Pill.

We adhere to Red Pill because it actually works. It produces consistent, observable results like no other method ever has.

And if Red Pill ever stops working, we'll find something else.

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If the blue pill actually worked we'd all be blue pill.

[–]Endorsed Contributorpontifx 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both work but for who? Blue pilling it up wouldn't exist as a repeated behavior if someone or something wasn't getting profit from it.

[–]necuz 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Did you find any good filthy porn?

[–]Repealer -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=filthy+porn&oq=filthy+porn&aqs=chrome.0.57j60j0j62l3.1649j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

No

[–]p3ndulum 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here.

But also, here.

[–]Kronouranos 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I liked the end of your response, which is generally the response we have to people not buying into TRP. Try some of the things that we suggest. If they don't work, then criticize us. But from what I've seen and experienced, it's working very well.

[–]roadhand 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Real alphas ...

This type of ad hominem is not only an informal fallacy, it is almost always an irrelevence in any debate; following it with other insults/attacks like calling us boys, neckbeards, etc. simply shows a lack of knowledge and the ability to back up their statements.

Personally, I am amazed that the person who messaged you did not call you a shitlord, with all the feminist/srs flags flying around.

Great response. Keep the faith brother.

[–]Repealer 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Me too. His next response is great too "I'm not saying b a feminist but treat people how you want to be treated"

Anyway, nothing about TRP for me is faith based. I've seen serious results since replacing blue pill elements of my life with RP ones. If something isn't working, I cut it.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Funny how the best men I know all accept the red pill knowledge as obvious and such, and manage to live healthy and happy lives filled with love, work, family and friends. Because that guys says they are all lonely losers.

Guess he knows better than me. The internet told him so, after all.

[–]borderline_sociopath 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

I woke up this morning and let the dogs out, banged my hot wife, checked on my awesome kids, and headed in to my better-than-average job...and got a text from the wife thanking me for fucking her this morning because it makes her day so much better.

So, yeah. Clearly I'm just an internet neckbeard virgin misogynist.

While marriage has become a worse and worse deal, the principles here and from Athol, Roissy, and Rollo go a long way to creating a happy, stable marriage for me and my wife.

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but you're a borderline sociopath

[–]Freiling -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He is the one who let the dogs out.

[–]Invincibull7 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hello My fellow Redpiller

the bearer of all plan making

I am going to tell you right now

This guy sure sounds smooth. I am telling you right now, we should be listening to what he is going to be telling us.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Any updates on your situation, brother?

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Keep on keepin' on, man. I say let her make first contact.

[–]r_rships_account 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He'd be mad to do anything else.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't mess with the relationship status. That's weak and passive aggressive. These club pics, were they taken during this "freezing" process?

[–]Repealer -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They'll be taken tonight unless she messages me back

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do what you gotta do, son. Just be prepared for a shitstorm.

[–]hiyuh 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So are we virgin loser neckbeards, or are we rapists that take advantage of damaged women by emotional manipulation? I'm confused.

Again, I love the line about us being "little boys who wouldn't know what to do with woman because the last time we saw a vagina was when we raped a girl at a party" or some shit. It's become like a catchphrase for blue pillers. The main point that they just can't seem to grasp is that If TRP didn't improve our lives, we would not be here. Although, I guess some of them at least understand that part. That's where the "OMFG U ONLY GO AFTR DAMAGD WOMEN!!" trope comes from. It's pretty telling that instead of logically proving our methods wrong, they have to go straight to the "RAPIST! MISOGYNIST! ABUSER!" bullshit. That's the only way they can discredit us.

Be decent. We still need decent people.

I agree here. The difference is, I'm not going to let feels get in the way of what works. You want a decent world? Start by fixing women. Men will follow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

spot on there, if it didn't improve our lives, wouldn't be here. Left seddit for that reason, switched from different eating patterns for that reason, and now do heavy lifting and sprinting to gain a better body.

the internet is very good at misinterpreting people's wording and rational, instead focusing on the extreme statements and then applying it to a whole community. silly stuff

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

basically his entire argument is: they dont get laid.

so many words just for that.

[–]DrunkNewb 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love the fact that you left a certain tab open. Obvious troll, but still hilarious.

[–]W-Z-R 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You treat people the way you want to be treated

Er no. You decide what you want from a relationship (could be Platonic) and you demand it or cut ties immediately.

EDIT:

It seems ironic that he calls the people here neckbeards for spending time on an anonymous website when that's exactly what he's doing, as for calling Repealer "my fellow redpiller"...

[–]chiffonade- 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

trp is a way of super-charging your knowledge of gender relations

i am 30 and i have the wisdom of a 50 year old because i study this shit.

i only wish i had found this at age 20. so much more free, easy pussy could have been had.

[–]EatsAll-InSight 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell I still feel like I'm making up for lost time. Its a good mindset to have so young though, methinks.

[–]pitlord713 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny because he gives RP advice.

[–]Endorsed Contributorpontifx 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Things like that message are the mark of quality for me in relation to an idea. I know it's at the very least going to be entertaining if someone has to warn me about it and mean it.

[–]GlennBeckAmerica 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is being an Atheist a "no no".?

[–]deletedLink 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I don't agree with the PM that was sent, I do think that sometimes the methodologies are lost in translation. TRP sometimes makes things seem harsh and as if there is no give in the game.

For example, PUA rules during meeting and pickup are pretty strict and work very well. They do not, however, apply very well to having or maintaining a relationship over a long duration. I think that it's also missed that humor and keeping things light is very often the call of the day when delivering bad news. There is an elegance and smoothing over of their butthurt that must be done to maintain the relationship(s) while also maintaining your position. It's not well represented here.

Hopefully, as time goes on some of these items will be better addressed. The medium doesn't really lend itself to doing it (not much emotion in text), but a way will be devised.

[–]TheCoCo420 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm new here as well. And just reading some of this information has made my life tons better, from how to deal with my ex wife that was walking all over to how I feel about myself and women in general. That right there is worth my weight in gold. It is about bettering yourself so you have value to offer, not just sex. Now to try and loose 150 pounds.

[–]PerniciousOne 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to agree with many comments here, TRP is not powerful in the grand scheme of things right now. There is only 8495 members here.

When most of us were blue-pillers, we realized that many "friends" which we wanted more were attracted to thugs, and jerks, while they complained incessantly about how they were treated like garbage.

This sub-reddit is not about how easy it is to get laid, it is mainly about self-improvement. Making yourself more attractive to women, and utilizing dormant traits which women are subconsciously attracted to. It is not about how much poon you can pull, it is making you a better person for yourself. When you are a better person, women will be attracted to you.

This forum helps you unlock your potential, and gives you a few tips and tricks on the way to make your life a little bit easier.

[–]eggbert5000 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how one of the tabs in the screen cap is for filthy porn.

[–]PhoTorgrapher 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"filthy porn" was a nice touch ;)

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People who talk about "real alpha guys" don't get it.

Alpha isn't a guy. It's a behaviour pattern. You can put it on like a shirt if you know how. Do that enough, it becomes habitual. And then you don't need silly rules about what alpha guys "don't do". Because letting other people tell you what not to do... well, what level of mastery of one's own life does that display?

What women want is absurdly simple. Once you learn it, you don't have to change every moment of your life to suit their needs.

You can post on reddit if you like. Or play tabletop RPGs. Or collect stamps. Paint stilllifes of potted plants. Hunt bears with a bow and arrow. Whatever.

Oh, you might change a little bit, because there there some things you no longer have to do, or some things you are no longer afraid to do. But slavishly imitating every behaviour of guys who act alpha naturally is like wearing a loincloth and eagle feather headdress because you're learning to shoot a bow.

[–]footballtrav891 points 13 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

The main problem i have with TRP is that i genuinely enjoy being a very friendly and nice person. That doesn't mean i go out of my way to please women or anything though. A lot of the guys on here make it sound like i need to be 'mean' to the women i meet which i feel like is a twist of what TRP is actually about. So suddenly anyone who is a nice/friendly guy would be seen as a blue piller...

Opinions?

[–]new2RP 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not about being friendly that makes you a blue piller. It's about changing who you are to fit what you think a woman wants you to be. If you're friendly that's fine, but any time a woman asks you to do something you'd really rather not do, don't do it. You are your own person entitled to your own opinions and actions. That's not to say you can't compromise in situations, but make sure it's a fair compromise for you.

Women respect a man who stands up for what HE wants, even if he doesn't always get it. I've had women attracted to me that change their personalities or supplicate to me to whatever I do or say and it becomes boring QUICK! Many hot women go through life on what is like god mode for video games. They can do whatever the want, have unlimited ammo, and just go through any obstacle without resistance. How many times have you done that in a video game and become BORED AS SHIT? Exactly, you need a challenge, and so do women.

If you're a nice guy, be a nice guy, but be steadfast in your convictions and opinions, it will be respected by not only women, but other men as well. I'm an incredibly sarcastic asshole and my friends LOVE me for it. But if something genuinely bad happens in their life, or some hardship comes up they know they can count on me for support because they know I am a genuinely nice person at heart, and the assholeish piece of my personality, while not fake at all, is only ONE part of who I am. Just because you're a sarcastic dick sometimes, who won't cave to your friend or girlfriend's whim when it conflicts with your convictions doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from being a nice person.

[–]footballtrav892 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That god mode metaphor was perfect....well done sir.

[–]Repealer 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can be nice and friendly, just be sure to control the frame. If someone disrespects you or women start shit-testing you, you can agree + amplify without being an asshole. Just make sure when they test to see if they can walk all over you that you don't give. You can be polite about that.

[–]deletedLink -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, this is exactly what I was saying in my comment about how things are lost in translation. You don't have to be mean at all. Yes, some people will think that you are an asshole b/c you are not bending to their will at every request. However, you can say anything you want to someone with the correct approach, tone and manner.

Don't fight with people, just be you. When someone wants you to do something that is outside of your operating criteria a simple stonewall will suffice.

"Can you hold my purse while I use the bathroom?"
"Nah, I don't do that. . " (lightly laughing about the request)
"why?"
"It's just not how I operate. It doesn't work for me. That's some other guy." (big smile and wink)
"But, but. . ."
shrug

Zero argument. Just a stance and refusal while keeping it light. They accept this and, at the same time, it doesn't cause conflict. If they press, then I always like to come back with:

"I can see you're mad about that. Let me know when you're over it so we can get back to the fun." (go about doing your own thing)

Absolutely, they will try to get an emotional reaction out of you and engage you in an argument. Even go so far as to threaten to leave you.

"Go ahead. If holding your purse for you is that important, I'm not your guy."

You cannot let these things bother you. You also cannot be fearful of losing them. Constantly ready to take back your currency and less visibly invested than them. It's not easy; Especially not easy for a former beta.

[–]footballtrav892 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So polite but firm...

I agree with the lost in translation aspect. Especially when things are taken out of context and with different points of view.

[+]troubadour1492 -6 points-5 points-4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He does have a point that there are probably a lot of dweebs around here who only wish they were using TRP knowledge to get laid. I'm one such.

It's like reading all about dancing and giving other people advice on how to dance without ever going to a club. My notch count still stands at 2 and the list of things I have accomplished with real girls since embarking on this journey is short and pathetic.

It's better than accomplishing nothing. Six months ago I paid a 20 year old to go out with me, bought her dinner, and spent half an hour apologizing to her for my very existence and trying to weasel my way into her life by offering to solve her problems. Actually going out with someone other than my wife was a gigantic step forward, but everything else about that whole experience was tragic.

A few weeks ago, I hit it off with a stripper. I didn't have enough control of the situation to get her out of the bar while she was still horny, but I'll never forget seeing that single glistening drop of juice dripping from her wide open pink pussy. You can't fake being that horny, and if ever I've seen a girl ripe for the plucking, that one was ripe. The best part was we just naturally hit it off, and very little of my side of the conversation or the whole dance was purely calculated. The textbook just helped me appreciate what was happening for what it was more than it informed my behavior.

A few hours a go, I touched this cute redhead at one of our stores repeatedly, and got her laughing. I'm probably friend zoned, and I'm just too much of a pussy to face the rejection, but at least I'm getting experience becoming comfortable with touching girls, and looking pretty girls in the eye.

Where am I going to be six months from now at this rate? Wherever it is, it's definitely better than where I came from. I spent most of my adult life being mildly suicidal, and now I look forward to what's to come as I continue this hard work. Everything that's happened since discovering the gospel of TRP has only increased my faith.

tl;dr I'm pleased that you recognize being a nice guy is a losing proposition, and intend to get your share of the pussy.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hilarious tab, too. Filthy Porn. :)

[–]Repealer 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You've all played into my trap, viralling reddit is too easy :^)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IT'S A TRAP!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

link 2 original post plz

[–]cooledcannon -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

filthy porn

[–]Repealer 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

can't live without it

[–]cooledcannon 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hottest pornstars?

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