"When the Rapist Doesn't See It as Rape"

davesfriendchip · 2015-05-25T20:31:04+00:00

FTA:

Scholars have found that many sexual assaults are carried out by a small number of men who strike repeatedly — often without realizing that they are rapists.

There is no rape culture. There are a handful of men who prey on the weak. The solution isn't to teach "men" anything, it's to teach women to avoid dangerous situations.

edit: typo

Sawagurumi · 2015-05-25T20:58:16+00:00

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/professor-kanins-report.html

There is a link on that page to Professor Kanin's original paper should you wish. He found the rate was 41% over a 9 year period. We also know that mattress girl is a false rape accusation, as was the Rolling Stone/UVa one that kicked off the whole 'Yes means Yes' nonsense. According to the US Dept of Justice report 'Rape and Sexual Assualt Victimization among College-Age Females, 1995-2015' rape happens to 0.76% of young women (or 0.61% for students). This is a far cry from the 1-in-4 nonsense that feminist trot out.

So yes, we are justified treating rape accusations skeptically. First, because all accusations of a crime against another person should be treated skeptically - innocent until proven guilty. Second that there is probably no other crime (other than insurance fraud, not sure of the figures there) where there is such a high rate of false accusations.

My position is that if a woman is proven to have made a false accusation, she should receive the same punishment that the man would have received had he been found guilty. Once could argue that it should be higher for two reasons: first that the term 'rape culture' actually belongs to men's prison culture, not the general population, so she may well be causing him to be raped, as well as ruining his life in other ways; and second because of what you say above, that these bitches make it so much more difficult for real rape victims to be taken seriously.

ShittyAlt69 · 2015-05-25T20:55:16+00:00

It depends on what you consider a rape accusation. There is a big difference between "Jonny raped me, and I am pursuing legal action", and "Jonny raped me, and now I'm going to tell everyone". The cases which fall into the first category have data on them, and are likely true. The second category generally exists as a means of causing social consequences, and occurs outside the justice system. False accusations in this manner are rampant as far as I can tell.

justdelighted · 2015-05-25T21:16:07+00:00

This is a great post. The moment we begin to accept everything we are fed is the moment we lose our identity as rational, logical thinkers. If we start jerking each other off every time we hear a false rape accusation, we would be the same as the feminists that can't see past their narrow minded views and look at things objectively.

StrikePrice · 2015-05-25T22:37:30+00:00

But are the precautions we talk about here that much of a burden? I see it like insurance. Let's assume arguendo that it is a low probability event. Even still, because of the catastrophic nature of the event, taking precaution to minimize the possibility is well worth the effort.

Red-Zen · 2015-05-25T20:39:38+00:00

I'd love to see some statistical evidence that I'm wrong

You never will because feminist control that narrative, and it's not in their interest to conduct a legitimate study about it.

If you want evidence, just go read up on Mattress Girl and examine the narrative surrounding it.

The concept of "rape culture" alone should be enough to convince you. That's a societal-wide false-accusation.

mordanus · 2015-05-25T20:55:42+00:00

I think this would be way too difficult to prove. False rape is almost never charged because people feel it dissuades real victims from coming in. Also not all false rape claims even get to the point of going to the police. When I was in high school a girl I know claimed she was raped by someone else that I knew. The police never got involved and instead it went to vigilante justice with a bunch of guys beating the shit out of him and putting him in the hospital. I don't know if he was guilty or not.

That brings to mind the other side of this. How are we supposed to prove guilt or innocence in these cases? Some guys are getting out of jail after being found out that they are innocent. Some of them spend decades in jail before being found out they are innocent. With that in mind how many men do you think haven't been proved to be innocent yet? How many never will?

How to you propose that we prove that more actual rapes happen than false rape claims?

brokenshelf · 2015-05-25T20:49:57+00:00

Unfortunately it's almost as impossible to get accurate statistics on false rape accusations as it is on actual rape convictions, the primary reason being that they often go unreported if it's an actual rape, and not convicted if it's false. No charges, no stats.

I would say a baseline 10% of rape accusations are false, at minimum. I have no stats to base that off, just from life experience. If a woman says she was raped, yeah, most likely she probably was. Doesn't mean I 100% believe her without hearing the story. For instance, I knew the Jackie story in Rolling Stone was horseshit from the minute I read it. No one (especially a petite woman) goes through a glass coffee table without massive physical trauma, and seven guys taking turns on a woman is also going to leave copious physical evidence.

And then there's the concept of what actually constitutes rape and the gray area that many young people find themselves in (especially after drinking).

EDIT: I think it's pretty telling that the above article is about 5 paragraphs long and uses an obvious (though not admitted) rapist as it's basis for the opinion. People like the "Frank" guy in the article are obvious predators looking to have sex with women that can't consent. That guy KNOWS he's a rapist, he just doesn't give a fuck.

makethemsayayy · 2015-05-25T20:41:44+00:00

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm

Well here the DOJ surveyed a number of agencies. 8% of rape accusations are COMPLETELY unfounded. I'd venture as far to say another 5-50% are arguably very unfounded, but contain a corroborating piece of circumstantial evidence that tied the accused to the crime.

unassumingusername7 · 2015-05-25T21:53:05+00:00

Much of the problem is that women will tell you and their friends that they were raped, then not report it to the police or press charges. So does that count as a false rape report? It doesn't factor into official statistics, but as someone who has been lied to about rape, it does dilute my faith in any particular rape accusation.

Solomonceed · 2015-05-25T23:18:25+00:00

The only real study ever done on the issue is from 1994 (it followed rape accusations between 1978 and 1987), carried out in a small town in the Midwestern United States. Professor Eugene Kanin found that 41 % of all rape accusations that have been made in this town's police departments were false.

Note that Kanin only counted those accusations as false, where the accuser eventually admitted that she had lied.

Additionally, for a declaration of false charge to be made, the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred.

http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

changshuaidiao · 2015-05-25T23:53:32+00:00

Rape is a crime, crimes require intent. http://thelawdictionary.org/criminal-intent/ What if the rapist doesn't know he raped somebody? Then he didn't rape anybody. This is one of those areas where we seem to have lost an understanding of basic legal principles. When rape happens, if there is a reasonable persons standard that can show the accused has every reason to believe and understand that what they did violated another human being then they are culpable. This is simple shit. If somebody is violating you in a real, criminal way they're going to know it, unless they're mentally handicapped. This is the only legal area where we somehow believe the feelings of the aleged victim are a better standard of evidence of a criminal act than the actual intent of the alleged perpetrator.

Denswend · 2015-05-25T22:18:16+00:00

You say :

But I think they're the exception to the norm, rather than the norm like many on here would suggest.

You see, it isn't that one instance of false rape that sends my alarm bells ringing. It's the way society, the college campus, and Mattress girl's social circle treated it.

She filed a false rape charge, got proved to be a liar and she only got a slap on the wrist. He got, at best, slandered reputation and ruined life. At worst, he gets a pounding in prison by 6 foot guy with 8" cock named Bubba. And the people cheered for her. They gave her an ovation when she graduated. This is normalized. This is one instance in which a woman can effectively, without any malus, use system to ruin men. Hell, media's got her back. The problem isn't this woman attention whoring and lying, the problem is that you are even daring to second guess her experience. Notice how quick people were to invalidate people who went through false rape charge with "but you silly shitlord, IT'S WOMYN GETTING RAPED WHICH IS THE REAL PROBLEM". No other injustice is treated like this. You don't hear people saying "oh, you got robbed, well THE REAL PROBLEM IS GETTING KILLED SO SUCK IT UP" and "criminalizing reporting false robberies will result in less robberies being commited and that's bad".

Rape is different. Rape is a physical crime. Rape is an actual crime, persecuted to hell and back (ask yourself, why does the media use overblown public false rape accusations if rape is so plentiful?). Rapists are persecuted and hunted. Rapist can only use his own body to inflict damage.

A woman uses the system to inflict damage. No reprisal for her.

Any woman can file a false rape charge against you, can call in the media and have people sympathize with her. Find me one instance in the Western world, so very traumatizing for women, which rapist gets public sympathy, gets away with a slap on the wrist. One instance in which rapist gets a standing ovation for the act of rape.

Furthermore, rape is treated specially, and unlike any other crime in the media. You are supposed to believe the victim by default - but if you do that, then it means that you think the rapist is guilty by default. No other crime is treated as "guilty until proven innocent".

But this :

“We’d be on the lookout for the good-looking girls, especially the freshmen, the really young ones. They were the easiest. ... Then we’d get them drinking right away. ... They’d be guzzling it, you know, because they were freshmen, kind of nervous.”

Is fear mongering. Do you think those women do not know what they are doing? They want the D, but they do not want to look like sluts doing it. So they use the booze as a convenient excuse to hide their own nature and salvage their reputation. In India, there is a law stating that if a man says he will marry the woman (or doesn't explicitly say otherwise), and they have sex and he doesn't marry her, it's rape. There are female only courts in the sexist and patriarchal India that persecute rapists like that. Imagine, not marrying a woman after having sex with her as a rape. That is what a woman can construct as rape. Imagine what a "empowered stronk womyn" can construct as rape. This is what gynocentric system will give you. As a result, whopping 53 percent of rape charges are false. This demonstrates (as you do not want to be racist) that women would use the system for revenge, that they would abuse the system to unfairly oppress men.

To me, systematic and institutionalized oppression normalized by the media is far more dangerous than a random instances of criminals doing thing society agrees are despicable.

EDIT :

The reason TRP harps about false rape is because it can happen to you. It can happen to you, and unlike those rape victims, there is no one to help you and support you. Society will hate you for a crime you did not commit. The system will fuck you over. Learning this is an important step in liberating yourself.

Rape has no direct effect on men. False rape charge, does. You don't see feminists battling false rape charges, do you? Then why should you see TRP fighting shadowy rape culture, when the system is more than happy to do that?

CopperFox3c · 2015-05-25T21:37:36+00:00

The reason these false rape cases are pointed out is not to invalidate real rape victims, or argue over the probabilities of real vs. fake claims. The point is to show that both false rape allegations and actual rape wield the similar psychological and social damage to the victim (i.e. the falsely accused in the former case and the actual rape victim in the latter). They are both devastating to the individual in long term ways.

The real issue is that neither the law nor society treats them equally. Nor punishes them accordingly.

red445 · 2015-05-25T22:13:35+00:00

By current definition false rape accusation does not exist. It is all based on her reality (and what she said). And consent is irrelevant, any sexual interaction between man and women is a rape, its just not prosecuted most of the time yet.

It really suck for real rape victims...

Hookers and MGTOW.

JeanValjean197o · 2015-05-25T23:42:37+00:00

Rape can be classified into two categories (perhaps more but for our purposes 2).

The completely blameless rape where a woman minding her own business is attacked and held at knife-point or beaten until she submits to sex.

Then there is date rape.

Imagine that I break into the zoo at night and dangle raw meat above the tiger cage. I am not only breaking the rules but I am engaging in very risky behavior. Most of the tigers will mill about happy to wait for food to drop. They won't do anything to harm me. But if one of them jumps up and rips my fucking arm off then people will rightly say that I had it coming.

Date rape is like the above situation only women have lobbied for laws that absolve her of responsibility and remove pesky rules like, "You shouldn't break into zoos late at night and dangle steaks above the tiger cage."

To complicate issues further: if we look at the details of many date rape claims we find that almost always no violence was use. It is also extremely rare that date rape drugs were used. This is actually so rare that it's considered an Urban Legend.

Occasionally a woman is unconscious and the man had sex with her. This was wrong of him, but to claim that it rises to the level of a man breaking into a home and raping a woman at knife-point is ridiculous.

Often the woman has no memory of the event and suffered no physical harm. Yet, as a society we think that's a justification to send the man to prison for years?

What's more is that often she may have been conscious but too drunk to remember. Sex may have been her idea and their intent all night long. But because she was so drunk she can't remember the sex or blacked out during it then that constituted rape. Meanwhile, these rules don't apply to men in reverse. If he's too drunk or blacks out she can do whatever she wants and get away with it. Just try to go to the police and tell them your girl fucked you while you were asleep. It just won't work.

For those women who are riding the cock carousel, who go out and dance naked on tables, flash their tits at guys, get hammered drunk and then agree to sex only to later claim they didn't or to change their mind in the process after things got going I really don't have any sympathy for them.

Women who engage in behavior which was designed to provoke a male sexual response have no right to bitch when they succeed.

If a woman walks away from a "rape" where no weapon was used, no threats, no violence, and there's not a mark on her and her clothes aren't damaged then I have a real problem with considering what happened to her a crime and certainly not a crime that should be punished with decades in prison and a lifetime on a sexual predators list.

Now as for false accusations. I think that nearly everything that comes out of feminists mouths about rape is a false accusation.

The 1 in 5 women in college will be raped is a false accusation. It is preposterous.

The 1 in 4 women will be raped during their life is a lie.

The 80% of rapes aren't reported is ridiculous and reckless conjecture which relies on faulty data and unreliable surveys that redefine rape in order to extrapolate a shocking percentage.

The fact that the media, thousands of college professors and politicians allow these clearly false statistics to go unchallenged tells me that only the most cut and dry rape accusation should be accepted and prosecuted.

We simply can't trust women to tell the truth and we can't trust the government to enforce the law fairly.

All that said, it's up to each of us to protect ourselves from false rape accusations. As leaders of the relationship we need to exercise control of the activities so that we aren't engaging in actions that can be used against us later on.

However, if BD/SM or other kinds of kink are mutually agreed upon then you should sit down with your partner and outline ON PAPER what you both agree to. Get her to sign it and put it away some place safe. That way if she says on paper that it's cool if you fuck her while she's drunk and that she won't hold you liable if she can't remember or she passes out then you have that to take to court.

RELTIH88 · 2015-05-26T02:47:15+00:00

That is because you are using the feminist's defenition of rape, which would mean that 75 percent of men are rapists. Feminists use such a loose defenition of rape therefore they are the ones creating the rape culture that is rampant today.

GayLubeOil · 2015-05-25T20:40:32+00:00

The bible has a very high Standard of Evidence for the crime of rape. Because women lie and manipulate to get what they want and preserve their social value. Our ancestors did shit for a reason. Now that society has abandoned their values we are in a tranny parade clusterfuck.

ifeelfuckingterrible · 2015-05-25T23:55:35+00:00

I think it's important to realize that the vast majority of rape accusations seem to be truthful

AHAHAHAHA

Fuck you.

You feminist faggots piss me off when you say shit like this because

1) That's not really what people who complain about false rape accusations care about. You're avoiding addressing our actual concerns, which are about the erosion of due process, people getting fired or kicked out of college without a conviction, and the unfair social stigma that comes along with unproven accusations. How about we fucking talk about that instead because how much it actually happens because that hardly fucking matters. What matters is that there ain't shit a man can do when it happens to him. Seriously, nobody brings up how often something like murder or whatever happens in attempt to downplay the issue, that's just so retarded. How about you at least say why you think it's so important to "realize" that most rape accusations are true?

2) NO ONE HAS ANY FUCKING WAY OF ACTUALLY KNOWING HOW MUCH IT HAPPENS. So that makes you a lying piece of shit when you assert with confidence that you do know.

3) You never even bother to properly define what exactly you're talking about when you refer to false rape accusations. A police report? A complaint to an employer or college campus? Simply telling friends and family about it? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Because if you're talking about all of that, and you are seriously going to suggest that a woman lying about rape to anyone is less likely to happen than actual forcible rape...I think you're fucking off your rocker.

Also almost every fucking public rape accusation in national news has turned out to be bullshit, it hasn't been just matress girl. It's not an isolated incident. Brian Banks, the Duke lacrosse players, Kobe...

Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.

WardlyHasted · 2015-05-26T11:43:08+00:00

All public rape accusations are false. People who are raped don't tell everyone and look for sympathy. If someone you aren't exactly close with (i.e. a girl you're dating) tells you they were raped, chances are they're full of shit.

Actual rape victims are traumatized and often can't function normally after the incident. Many of them never have sex again. Sometimes it takes years for them to recover and sometimes they never do.

The problem is that people are trying (and succeeding) to change the definition of what constitutes rape. Rape is not sex that you regret and rape is not drunk sex. It's not rape when the man doesn't call the woman back. It's not rape if her friends think she's a slut for sleeping with a guy she just met. Consensual sex cannot turn into rape later when a woman changes her mind.

Rape is one of two things: forced sex under the threat of violence or drugging a girl and having sex with her while she's unconscious.

People will take this out of context, but rape really is the perfect crime. It can be a seriously difficult crime to prove. How can you prove if sex between two people was consensual or not? Sometimes there is bruising in and around the vagina that may indicate forced penetration, but this also might just indicate rough sex. Unless we're talking about a woman getting raped in an alley late at night by a random attacker, in most cases it's he said she said. This is why the story itself is so important.

They say most cases of rape are committed by people who know the victim. But based on the current definition of "rape" who knows what the implications of this actually are. Are these cases of rape cases where the woman regrets sleeping with that boy from class? I find it hard to believe women are being raped at knifepoint or under other threats of violence by people they know. But if these cases of rape where the victim knows the attacker are regret rape or what have you, the numbers begin to make sense.

So when it comes down to rape vs false rape, a good indicator of validity is if the police are involved. Don't buy into the bullshit that women don't go to the police because they're afraid no one will believe them. If someone breaks into my house and steals shit, I'm going to go to the police. If something actually happened I'm not worried whether people are going to believe me or not.

Some might say rape is a touchier subject than breaking and entering and as I've mentioned rape can be difficult to prove. But it all comes down to the story. Attacked in an alley way = safe to assume she was raped. Drinks and a movie with a friend that became sexual = difficult, if not impossible to tell. Are we just supposed to take the woman's word for it as this point? Should due diligence and justice fly out the window? In some cases it does. Based on what we know about how important a woman's reputation is to her, if she's called a slut by her friends or regrets having sex, it's not a stretch to say that some of them will lie. Just like a man will lie about and boost the number of women he's slept with.

Real rape is terrible, but the sad thing is that it's unavoidable. It will always happen. False rape accusations on the other hand are completely avoidable. But based on how our society treats women vs men, false rape accusations are a legitimate option for women. Men are disposable, women are perfect snowflakes. Men are evil rapists and women would never lie about that kind of thing.

Your only option with rape victims is to not associate with them. Don't date them, don't fuck them. If she was actually raped, she's damaged goods and you're going to be a lover/boyfriend as well as a therapist. If she was lying about it, what's to stop her from accusing you next? Besides, someone who would lie about that is a terrible person. Say no to rape by noping the fuck out the first time it's mentioned.

screamingATtrees · 2015-05-25T21:33:35+00:00

Have we all not first hand witnessed more than one woman claim rape only to find out she was lying?

Teach women how to be personally responsible for themselves... Or take all their rights away if they keep playing the victim cards.

csehszlovakze · 2015-05-25T20:30:21+00:00

Are there any detailed statistics of false rape associations? I'd like to see one, especially compared to legitimate rape rates and to all cases that might have been dismissed by the cops. Until that, it's just floating around as something uncountable.

CowardlyPetrov · 2015-05-26T01:24:02+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RliMu2JxVr0

SkorchZang · 2015-05-26T03:28:35+00:00

suspicion towards all rape that seems to be a part of TRP philosophy is unnecessary

It's very much necessary. The removal this (legit) suspicion forces men to be automatically responsible for women's irresponsible actions.

I liked the story from your article about the frat bro who "raped" a slutty freshman. The article's author is fully in the feminist narrative, so he/she is sentimentally horrified by it, making every propitious genuflection toward the feminist altar to tell us the "heart-rending" story:

“At some point, she started saying things like ... ‘I don’t want to do this right away,’ or something like that. I just kept working on her clothes ... and she started squirming. But that actually helped, because her blouse came off easier. ... She tried to push me off, so I pushed her back down. ... I mean, she was so plastered that she probably didn’t know what was going on, anyway. I don’t know, maybe that’s why she started pushing on me. But, you know, I just kept leaning on her, pulling off her clothes.” “Frank” said he kept his arm across her chest, by the base of her neck, to reduce her squirming as he had sex with her. When he was finished, he dressed and returned to the party. And the woman? “She left.”

The key thing to understand is not that the woman was "saying no" or that the frat bro held her down this way or that way. Completely irrelevant in my opinion. It's that she willingly put herself into the frat party situation and guzzled alcohol there, shook her ass and flirted with men until she could barely sit up straight. Nobody ever forced her to do it. That's what routinely is left out of telling you the sob story. What is the whole point of these parties? Sex. Of course it's all to lower inhibitions, and to facilitate random regrettable college sex. And of course women always want all the attention, the alcohol, the fun, but they would rather skip the sex. So what? Why are the women's natural sexual wants always more important than the men's? If she'd rather not have sex with "Fred" the frat bro, then darling, don't go there and get shitfaced drunk with him... It's that easy.

Our special snowflake feminazis want it to be about women's consent now, not the normal dynamic between the sexes. Women have to formally consent to everything, like royalty, or else you as the man have no rights to do anything sexually, and are a creep/rapist/criminal. You see the problem? Why the fuck does a woman get any special say about what a man wants to do sexually? Rights need to be backed up by fights. So, it's she and what army, exactly? Who's the big dick alpha that's here to dictate this new policy that all hormonally raging mankind must cower in shame and suppress their sex urge?

A woman has a certain amount of legal protection from men blatantly forcing themselves on her against her will in any civilized society. This is good and just. But anytime it's any kind of "grey area", she's shit out of luck - and women need to be very careful about situations, places, and people like that, in order to avoid regretting it later.

This vulnerability of women to dick is just a basic fact of life that has nothing to do with western society, patriarchy, or anything else. Women are vulnerable that way. They must seek protection for themselves, because those men are out there, horny as fuck and they don't always ask for consent, hers or the internet's, or anyone's. Of course feminists get cognitive dissonance even thinking about it, how dare men be men! And the pink nazi caste just can't live with the idea that women are vulnerable in that way. That would mean they're not equal or special royal snowflakes! So they would blame everything on the men only. Those men are not "infinitely fucked up" or even criminals in my book, unless they directly commit acts that legally qualify as rape under sane (non-feminist) definitions. And that's why men are and should be rape-skeptics by default, to be able to discriminate between crime that our women should be protected from, and the delusional powergrab fantasy facilitated by toxic feminism for everybitch.

ScholarInRed · 2015-05-25T20:57:12+00:00

First of all, a large number of 'rapes' are the woman's fault. Here's why.

A) She spent the night drinking and brought a man home/went home with him. Her ASD was telling her that she's not about to have sex, but it might just happen that way and when she gets to a bed, something puts her off. The room is dirty. His cock is small. She realises she's a slut and that this is not how respectable or valuable women behave. It could be any or all of these or something else entirely.

Whatever the reason, she decides she doesn't want to have sex. This is where any responsible adult takes charge of their own fate and makes this known. They state this, get up and leave. She doesn't. Her bad decisions, followed by her inability to speak up, mean that Bobby McBeta has sex with her against her will without being able to know this. She does not struggle. She does not say no. Is he supposed to read her fucking mind?

B) She fucked some guy and regretted it. "Rape!" The End.

C) Actual rape.

As for "when the rapist doesn't see it as rape", bullshit. Rape is a heinous crime, and if you can rape someone and not know about it, then either (A) has occurred, or you're an extremely fucked up sociopath.

redpillcynic · 2015-05-26T02:57:49+00:00

OP, Tits or GET THE FUCK OUT

AbioticFountain · 2015-05-25T23:19:57+00:00

You say it isn't that common for false rape claims, but I come from a family of five kids. I have three brothers and a sister, and currently two of my brothers have been accused of rape (they say, and I believe them, that it is false). Both times the story is that they went to a party, girl said she was 18, but wasn't. Both times, when their parents found out it suddenly became rape. Now, am I saying they are guiltless in these incidents? No. But in my opinion the "five to ten percent" are false claims is a bullshit number. I think that it really is quite common, and it is definitely justified to be wary.

Sorry about format, I'm on mobile.

KingDooble · 2015-05-25T23:07:52+00:00

It is impossible to determine the percentage of rape accusations that are false because sex happens behind closed doors and only the people involved will ever really know what happened (and of course in many situations they will be motivated to lie). The percentage of PROVEN false accusations is very low but that's obviously because very few women will admit that they false accused a guy and there will often be no physical evidence that can corroborate either way.

That said, sex and relationships bring out the strongest emotions possible in people, both positive and negative. And studies have shown that women are wired to regret having sex with undesirable men.

crimson-hound · 2015-05-26T05:41:36+00:00

-Yes false accusations are very few and far between.

-Yes, rape is a terrible, horrible thing and I (and I'm guessing most men here) recognize that it's a problem. It's 2015 and we need to combat these issues more effectively.

When TRP talks about false accusations, we're not saying "LOOK WOMEN LIE ABOUT BEING RAPED ALL THE TIME". We're saying "Look, this woman lied about being raped and it's been proven that she was lying through the courts. She needs to be punished."

The problem with false rape accusations is they're a lose-lose situation. The woman is a liar, and leads people to take real victims with suspicion; which ultimately makes the real victims feel humiliated and like the system doesn't actually want to help them; thus preventing real victims from coming forward. The accused male has his reputation shattered not only amongst his peers, but possibly professionally too. Not to mention the harassment and possible threats of violent acts.

I don't think that I've read even ONCE in TRP that false accusations happen frequently. We just talk about them here frequently because it's very important to be mindful of those situations and how fucked up it is that a man can have his life ruined so easily.

oldredder · 2015-05-26T07:01:53+00:00

but I think that the inherent suspicion towards all rape that seems to be a part of TRP philosophy is unnecessary.

It's not even a part of TRP philosophy. It's personal experience of the writers here, like myself, who have seen the false-rape accusations first-hand and warn you, even if it's 0.002% of the time the damage will end your life.

Just last week I had the chance to bang a hot girl who was drunk and all over me. But she was so drunk everyone seeing this would never deny she was drunk and that ends it: legally she can't give consent. CAN'T. She could scream "fuck me in the ass" and it's not consenting by law.

RecklessGambol · 2015-05-26T12:32:55+00:00

There is a good, objective article on this subject by Megan McArdle: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false

Basically, there's no real way to know the percentage of false rape allegations, but feminists like to make up very specific low numbers that were plucked from nowhere.

Also, most of these studies look at actual claims reported to the police, which you'd expect to be more credible than claims reported only to university kangaroo courts or spread around as slander-gossip.

This also ignores the issue of expanding definitions of rape, which has accelerated in recent years. When I started college, it was almost universally acknowledged that drunk people would have sex and that was totally normal. A few years out, I see people (selectively) claiming "I was drunk and couldn't consent" all the time. Last year, a female friend of mine was forced out of a social group because a guy claimed she "raped" him by having consensual sex after they were drinking.

MattyAnon · 2015-05-26T17:54:35+00:00

I'd love to see some statistical evidence that I'm wrong, but it seems to me that false rape accusations are few and far between when compared with real rape

8% are provably false. (There's another page about this on the main page) - depending on the scenario, country, consequences it is thought the real number can be up to 50%. (Varies a lot - almost certainly highest in universities).

Conversely the SJW of the world are putting the police force under incredible pressure to get the conviction rate up. And the false rape victims are getting caught in this net too sadly.

GuyWithTheRoseTattoo · 2015-05-26T20:03:01+00:00

Well, in a lot of instances the communcation between men and women break down on many levels and issues. Not just rape. I see a lot of times here people say "rape culture doesn't exist", which may be true to you, but apparently millions of women and men are convinced it is.

I feel its intellectually irresponsible to disregard rape culture as 'non existent' when the push to end this non existent thing is being lead by men running these college campuses.

bitches_be_crazy86 · 2015-05-26T20:32:33+00:00

Nope I don't think that rape is fucked up. False rape accusation is far far far worse than rape.

protoss--OP · 2015-05-26T13:58:11+00:00

this OP is your logic when you can't shake the inner betabitch off your brain

that the inherent suspicion towards all rape

innocent until proven guilty? ever heard of it?

not to mention these days with this new definition of 'rape', i can't remember the last girl I talked to who wasn't 'raped' at some point. (my bf got me drunk, once i did something i didnt like, etc)

Title	"When the Rapist Doesn't See It as Rape"
Author	fledglingpiller
Upvotes	21
Comments	86
Date	May 25, 2015 8:08 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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