Why does the world lie about the structure of male/female relationships

MattyAnon · 2016-10-05T05:43:10+00:00

s, as well as work out in order to attract a woman who I find beautiful and loving.

Women will never be truly loving towards you.

completely lie about this relationship structure

Men: deluded hopeful beta dreamers. They pay, they have to pay to get female approval, and thus they have to persuade themselves that they are investing, rather than just paying. They want female love, they're happy to pay for it, and they need to HOPE that it is worthwhile, or HOPE that the awesome playboy loving caring girl of their dreams is out there SOMEWHERE.

Women: opportunistically maintaining the male dream because it fits right into their desire for security and BETA BUCKS.

Noone wants to believe the truth.

GayLubeOil · 2016-10-05T11:46:00+00:00

By acknowledging that a game is in fact being played is to acknowledge that there are winners and losers. Losers live to pretend that there is no game because that protects them from feeling like losers.

Examples of this kind of thinking include:

1) Body Positivity

2) Money Doesn't Matter

3) We are all Going to make it

Archwinger · 2016-10-05T10:16:00+00:00

Love does matter. If she's not sucking your dick out of sheer joy and admiration for you, you're being used.

BillC618 · 2016-10-05T06:26:09+00:00

1) Female centric culture. 2) Fatherless families, diminished status of fathers. 3) General rejection of ancient truths regarding gender, the moral life, beauty, love, etc.

reclaimbeasthood · 2016-10-05T08:20:17+00:00

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Balderdash74 · 2016-10-05T06:02:15+00:00

Because " never educate a sucker"

harsha_hs · 2016-10-05T07:00:54+00:00

People who swallowed the pill, like most of us, will continue to lie betabucks & women for our own benefit, to advance our careers by winning against fellow betabucks, and to sleep with as many women as possible.

Women lie to men and fellow women for their own benefit, to get commitment from true alpha, who is superior-est in the whole fucking world.

beta men lie to themselves for feeling better and not feel depressed. They are losers and cannot compete well in SMP. That's why they chose white-knighting and moralising others to secure a win for themselves.

World is big ground for war, everyday is fight against one another, everyone has their own agenda which is engineered to their benefit.

bowie747 · 2016-10-05T09:18:39+00:00

Firstly, people will believe whatever makes them feel good about themselves. This consumerist culture has made us all very lazy and unwilling to work hard. So we take the easy way out. We (men) choose to believe that our personalities are what attracts women. When in fact the cold truth is that they really want the security.

Secondly, women have a pretty sweet racket going. They can fuck whoever they want in their youth and the faithful betas are waiting patiently for their turn to be appreciated. Then she divorces him when she's 35-40 and gets back to banging hedonistically.

Thirdly, the corporatocracy profits largely from all of the above. So they perpetuate it.

PedophilePriest · 2016-10-05T10:10:32+00:00

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VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-10-05T12:54:59+00:00

Why ? Because the Dream Machine makes more money telling people what they WANT to believe rather than the truth.

Take your Soma and go back to sleep, citizen.

[deleted] · 2016-10-05T06:58:49+00:00

Woman will not tolerate openness and honesty. Not with themselves, not with their loved ones or friends, and most certainly not with you. What's more, being honest about these facts makes you get labelled a sexist and persecuted by almost everyone. Your expected to be conformed and obedient.

sir_wankalot_here · 2016-10-05T05:37:40+00:00

Why don't conartists rent media time to broadcast how they scam people ? Water is wet.

InChargeMan · 2016-10-05T17:30:22+00:00

Agreed, except all parents aren't saying this. My kids are on the road to happiness. Wife knows nothing of TRP, but is fully on-board. My kids know they need to pick a career/life path that makes them economically valuable to society, and that being a pussy is not tolerated.

The other day a kid on my young kid's soccer team wanted to sit the rest of the practice out because "the ball hit his hand and it hurt". The mom was total BP about it, "ok honey, you just sit here and watch everybody else until your feelings feel better." My wife and I exchanged "the look" with a smirk. They she joked "you don't need your hands to play soccer." A bit later my kid was bleeding from a scratch on his knee. A quick squirt with the water bottle, flip the sock up over the wound and he's back. Meanwhile, BP mom is rubbing her kid's back while he whimpers...

Man_Jose · 2016-10-05T19:25:42+00:00

However, what does piss me off is how women (and lots of men) completely lie about this relationship structure

Reality is, women are gold-diggers as fuck and don't even realize it.

Gold digging doesn't work the way most people think. It's not like women compare payslips and go for the one earning more $$. It's more about projected status.

A guy making $50k/yr wearing suits, well-built, lots of social cred is considered higher status than the $200k/yr dad-bod nice guy.

Gold digging is falling for 'perception of status'. They fall in love with the 'idea' of a high status guy. They want to be with a guy that most other men pay respect to and most other women can only dream of having.

Women get wet when they get in the orbit of a guy who is too good for them. Who is such a guy? A guy who is better than them in most things (including money). The man could literally be a loser in life. But as long as he projects success, he is a winnah with women!!!

Women are not lying. They are retarded and really cannot tell what they get attracted to.

Men are not lying. They've been blue-pilled and genuinely believe and are invested in the bluepill way.

JamesSkepp · 2016-10-05T09:10:25+00:00

Why is it important for this to be kept such a hush hush secret?

It's not really a secret. Call it an "unspoken truth".

Women pretend not to be "sluts" and "dirty", men pretend to "love them for something else than access to the pussy".

It appeared around the first agricultural revolution (the moment we changed from hunter-gatherer society to a farmer one). Once you didn't have to be a top alpha male (that can kill for food or can kill an opponent) to get pussy (b/c women put out for you to give them access to your resources, statistically stable food stream, stable housing) there was no benefit (only risk, no healthcare back then) to be one anymore.

On the opposite side, as a woman, life became much better too (statistically stable food, stable housing). There was less need to cater to the alpha male of the tribe (be it by sex or other type of submissiveness), much less violence (towards you and in general).

On both sides, life expectancy and survival rate went up, so it really was a step forward.

The problem appeared over the course of centuries. Our technology and culture outpaced the biology. With the advent of religion (pun itended) and with the combination of "access to sex for access to resources" we (most likely men) came up with the idea of sexual purity ("sex is bad, sex is sinful UNLESS with me"). So now we can shame (punish) a woman for not abiding to the contract ("access to sex for access to resources").

Under all of that, we have biology, specifically female biology. We've been hunter-gatheres for much longer than we have been farmers. Women's biology evolved to respond to (mate with) alphas of the tribe, not to providers of food and shelter (because there were none when we evolved). So women still respond to the "brute" alpha sexual advances, not to "nice" betas who provide.

This is the dichotomy. Women want BOTH things (AlphaFux for sexual pleaseure and genes) and BetaBux (for stability and survival, both theirs and their offspring). We demand 2 things too: fidelity (my resources for my offspring ONLY) and access to sex (the prime charachteristic of an alpha male).

We want both, we settle for one, officially, while unofficially still desire (and actively pursue) the other.

J_AsapGem · 2016-10-05T17:12:07+00:00

What society has done is get everyone out of touch of their humanity, guys ignore their gut feeling and women feel superior to every creature, i heard this story last night with this guy that's a millionaire he met with his friends and they were enjoying each other's computer then why guy ask " bill " if he's going to golf with them, then bill said i don't know i have to ask my wife first. Can you believe this fucking shit? bill who's a fucking millionaire accomplished great fucking things in his life movedddd his bitch into his million dollar mansion, HAS TO ASK HIS FUCKING WIFE PERMISSION TO GO GOLFING.. WTF. That's what society has done we've lost touch of our humanity, bill is ignoring his gut feeling, he's a fucking man that made it in life he should recognize who he is and act accordingly, but social conditioning has overcome many.

mojo_juju · 2016-10-05T14:01:26+00:00

Think about how it structurally benefits the economy:

As Dave Chappelle once said: "If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house."

TLDR:

Beta Bux makes money. Women spend money.

The Beta Bux would be too smart to spend his hard earned time-exchanged-for-value were it not for the woman: he'd save and/or invest his money (plus, what the fuck is he gonna spend it on? ). The woman demands spending money. Hence, we have a producer supporting a consumer. Consumption keeps money pumped into the economy.

thelandofdreams · 2016-10-05T13:39:58+00:00

The same reason people tell you that when you die you spend eternity prancing on clouds with your loved ones. The truth of rotting in the ground and an eternal abyss of nothing is too painful for the human mind to dwell on, so we sugarcoat the shit until we actually believe it.

makeshift98 · 2016-10-06T00:02:17+00:00

For the same reason we're told that all people are equal, diversity is our strength, good things happen to good people, and that Santa is real. Reality is often more bleak then people's romantic notions of it.

3rdParty2012 · 2016-10-06T15:42:42+00:00

To produce docile worker drones, and string them along with the promise of pussy, if they make enough money for other people first.

Boeing797-300ER · 2016-10-05T08:32:20+00:00

I never saw that bluepill being portrayed on TV etc. What I did see was a blatant denial of the importance that looks play in dating.

6mysticbull · 2016-10-05T15:56:50+00:00

Read the rational male. There is a chapter that specifically address this. In short, it is because women are naturally manipulative and they have created this to be in power.

Computationalism · 2016-10-05T07:55:01+00:00

The left are pushing a Cultural Marxist agenda and that entails shaming masculinity.

angryomlette · 2016-10-05T07:25:15+00:00

For the same question I asked my father (very blue pill), a few weeks ago, I got jumbled answer with many fallacies, plus to forget about it as it was no big deal.

The only conclusion I came to was, it is an idealized version that men like to swallow to actually continue being slaves in the society AND it gives them a sense of security, albeit a false sense.

ChashuProsciutto · 2016-10-05T10:45:55+00:00

My guess, is the good ol' need for story telling.

To me it's similar to how one would exaggerate the stories told at a bar - to make it funnier, more light hearted for the audience.

Coupled with how work, family or even politics are discussed sharing the same similarities, I can't fault the media too much for copying the formula. Think about it, immigrations at the core is an economic issue (bc ppl are taking away jobs!), but it's discussed via ethnicity, race and rights to welfare benefits - and never the businesses or the market. Until the public learns to like take and teach truth as is, yah, we will continue to talk about relationship this way.

I can't think of any parents or future parents in my social circle who will tell the other side when their kids ask, "Mommy why did you marry Daddy?"

It's the fear, conformity, lack of bravery, over self-preservation that leads to this slippery slope.

Icaria25 · 2016-10-05T11:09:00+00:00

Your parent was a hippie who married a hippie-like slut and didn't want to fight to establish himself too hard in life, just wanted to fuck, watch TV and get away with it through life.

They were the boomers who suffered the first stage of cultural enslavement and weren't enough foresighted to understand and now it would be quite rare if any of them could sense the mindfuck they were subjected to. More likely they will think you got mindfucked for thinking that and nod their head.

Atleast that's my case but i can see a lot of people seem to take, or have taken in case of older, that pattern.

Anytime i state this kind of cases (i rarely talk about sexuality, more on the political redpills) they just nod and sadly go "you are wrong". "why?" i ask for a counter argument. But sadly the argument is just "you are wrong". You can't explain reality to someone who has been emotionally indoctrinated succesfully when he's old. Just let them go, don't bend over for them, stay hard but be tolerant if they can keep it to themselves.

I mean, we may all be quite different if we had free sex and stuff in our 20's without much effort and lived in a real equal culture (like the small hippie window was). We would not be hardened as we are and we may not care too much about truth or shit. Our parents cannot know how much things changed and stayed in that dreamworld and tryied to make us live here too, but for us it's a nightmare and they can't understand what went wrong.

Simple as this.

CptDefB · 2016-10-05T12:56:09+00:00

Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power. - Oscar Wilde.

Given that all human beings seek power, it is absurd to assume that women could give it up of their own free will. - Esther Vilar

Real power over another person is held by protegés and sex objects only. - Esther Vilar

Note, by definition, a man cannot be a woman's protegé, no matter how submissive (feminized) he may be. Women have the luxury of being able to fulfill both roles in a man's eye. Thus, two vectors to power vs one.

Officer_Dick_Johnson · 2016-10-05T11:38:04+00:00

[…] that all that matters in a relationship is love, and money/resources doesn't matter.

Ironically, I think, this kind of programming makes men spend more money (on women and to that extent give that money away to businesses).

adoomgod · 2016-10-05T17:00:21+00:00

Because it's profitable. Obviously.

Pathosphere · 2016-10-05T20:42:55+00:00

because mothers lie to their sons

StoicCrane · 2016-10-06T19:13:01+00:00

The point behind MSM is to profit. Women and BPers outnumber Alphas and RPers dramatically so MSM panders to the larger audience by promoting fantasy for the sake of cash-flow.

In reference to androgyny women account for roughly 80% of consumer spending. By synthetically socially engineering scenarios where women dominate the lives of BB and their wallets corporations expand their prospects for profit by attacking men's cash-flow through excessively indulgent, materialistic women.

J_AsapGem · 2016-10-05T17:04:35+00:00

This is a bigger matter than both of us, there is people behind the scenes control how society is shaped, and that's the problem right there. Look at the scientist can you believe scientist say men are women brains are completely the same? isn't that unbelievable why would they do something like that when they know otherwise. They basically saying that women have the ability to think logically when we all know that's impossible but yet still these guys say women and men's brain are completely the same.

sumfacilispuella · 2016-10-05T10:22:15+00:00

yeah i wish people would be honest with kids as they grow up. sucks to be told that you just need to be smart/a good person/successful, and then grow up and realize that no, guys just want a hot chick. basically just need to be attractive enough so a guy will convincingly pretend to give a fuck about you for a long period of time.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-10-05T13:43:41+00:00

However, what does piss me off is how women (and lots of men) completely lie about this relationship structure and pretend it doesn't exist, leaving confused as fuck men to figure it out on their own. Why is it important for this to be kept such a hush hush secret?

1: Because they are liars.

2: Because people don't want to have to compete with others who know the truth. They would rather lie to you straight to your face and try to blindside you.

3: Because they want you to think that they care about you, at least until they get what they want from you.

plascra · 2016-10-05T13:58:29+00:00

Because.. the hidden kings..

goldnhorde · 2016-10-05T16:05:57+00:00

I have the same problem , but it is slightly tilted from this.

I don't understand why some many messages being sent out are "settle for less" and "hooray for mediocrity". the soccer trophies for everyone is bad enough. handing them out individually is bad enough. though I did stoke the fire when I suggested that if all the team's kids are going up one at a time, then we should have acceptance speeches from each one. when they started taking It seriously ... I bowed out.

so ... what's with that? the irony is that the message comes from movies and music from "artist" that makes millions. it doesn't sound like they settled. their stablehands and producers put it out. they make millions as well .... don't think they are settling either.

the message more and more isn't coming across as "settle" as much as it is coming across ... "hey ... don't even try. stop trying if you can. you're trying is annoying us. and your tenacity is unacceptable" as the background lyrics.

neon1405 · 2016-10-05T18:58:28+00:00

One example I will give to present my view-List of federal political sex scandals in the United States - Wikipedia ... https://en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_Stat... David I. Walsh, Senator (D-MA), was accused of visiting a male brothel frequented by Nazi spies in Brooklyn in 1942. John F. Kennedy, President (D), was alleged to have been linked to a number of extramarital affairs, including allegations of involvement" If we are a patriarchal system and most power is held by men, AND MEN CRAVE SEX..VARIETY IN SEX.. then why this uproar and cry.. demand for resignation over extra marital.. extra- commitment sex...to my point... because the society , the state exists to serve the interests of the women and not of the men...they grow long hairs, men short... they live to beautify themselves like sex goddessess, men to be rough and like a labourer...to your question...if society and all its channels exist to serve a women's purpose, then naturally they work in manner to maintain the illusions and lies that women want to perpetuate among the new generations of same sex sisters and the enemy camp to be won over, the men.. and they win because the men who run vaarious institutions such as political parties, media, judiciary, schooling, policing etc has been hypnotised .. brain washed by drinking the pussy soup.. like the soldier ants or labour ants in a ants colony ...serving the Great Pussy Queen Ant.

mrjowee · 2016-10-06T00:36:48+00:00

It's an old adage dating back from when a steady homelife was nearly a guarantee in the US, and you'd have to be a complete fuckup to not have a stable income, own a home (that you could pay off in about 5 years on a single income of not just buy outright), and a wife who wasn't on psych meds. In such a world love would be the largest variable in a relationship.

It also reminds me of the "just be yourself" advice. It's partially true. What they really mean is be the best possible version of yourself.

TheChestGuy · 2016-10-06T00:52:23+00:00

i'm sure it's been said already BUT: women have vaginas and the monopoly on power in a sexual relationship. they also have egos that go unchallenged more often than men. remind them of the ego and they get pissed. those who aren't brainwashed into living like servants, just want pussy so they white knight. the ones who rise above that are us.

kanyewost · 2016-10-06T08:44:57+00:00

In the words of DJ KHALED "They don't wan't you to win, so we gonna win"

WillMeatLover · 2016-10-06T15:39:30+00:00

The lies frustrate me as well. But at least you know they are lies.

Lsegundo · 2016-10-06T18:39:53+00:00

What I wonder is how to teach my sons better.

You can't just explain things away when the news, TV, Movies, and most pop culture are all pushing the blue poison.

I have to continually remind myself you teach them by example. Lifting, staying fit, having access to younger attractive women, and having some fun hobbies that you recharge with. Unfortunately I have one who takes after my ex and refuses to listen to any advice he is given.

Mckallidon · 2016-10-07T02:48:22+00:00

The answer is simple. Because the world lies. It's all bullshit so aware people can make it easier for themselves.

yomo86 · 2016-10-07T13:46:46+00:00

My take is money. Educate the men and the economy would collapse.

Your average man spends for himself little amounts of money. Think of your college days you were quite happy with $ 500 in a month at your disposal. You could buy some beers, pay for some activities and other than that thats it. Same goes to some extent to middle aged wealthy guys ie. get the stomach full then dediacte yourself to your hobbie; maybe make every other year some huge purchase a bicycle or a trip to Europe for example.

When you add a woman to that equation she wants suddenly things - and she subtly influences you. No more gym and TV or book fridays but spending money at the movies, little presents for her, a new uneccessary car etc.

Studies have undisputedly shown that women control 80 % of purchases made in a marriage.

bounce-bounce-drop · 2016-10-07T19:40:53+00:00

Huh. My upbringing was pretty explicit about this...

[deleted] · 2016-10-08T04:42:39+00:00

It's only the western world which lies to men like this.

nixon007 · 2016-10-08T16:27:41+00:00

Study "Lessons of history" by will durant.

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2016-10-11T02:55:10+00:00

I think it's cuz we're so out of touch w nature. And society loves it's fantasies. All the better that this padding from the realities of nature allows for these fantasies to grow and become widespread. And love can come in relationships, I'm not totally cynical. But only after the man is in a firm position of power. Women are only capable of "loving up", but they can love. Or rather, when they "love down" it is in a motherly way, like towards children.

hot-breakfast · 2016-10-11T16:54:19+00:00

I suspect that this misrepresentation of realistic LTR is sustained for the reason that any pernicious falsehood sustains--it contains some amount of truth. There is a drive in humans to love selflessly--case in point anonymous live organ donation. Whether you believe this drive is biologically driven or revealed from a higher power is moot in this case. What matters is that it forms part of our ideal LTR in our imaginations. Many of us long to be better than ourselves up to and including our inborn sexual strategy.

TLDR: Beautiful lies have staying power.

stonepimpletilists · 2016-10-05T13:17:06+00:00

In the time spent with all the 'why' here, you think you could have just gone into 'how' this will help you? And what you do to capitalize?

Mental masturbation prevents growth. you could have been lifting

Cantpumpthefrump · 2016-10-05T09:00:33+00:00

There is 2 drives. The female imperative and the male imperative. For one to succeed the other must fail. Men want access to succes, women want access to resources.

alpha4ever · 2016-10-05T19:33:16+00:00

"All that matters is love" simply means that life is dependent upon love, which is not a thing but the process of sexual attraction, intercourse, procreation and then the continued caring and nurturing for the child and that's of course the driving power behind the existence of our species.

It may have been true in the past that women were more attracted to men with power and resources, but in this day in age it's much less important because women can now acquire their own resources. Yes, there still exist some women who do not have the skills to earn a living or are lazy or unlucky and may go after a man based on his resources, but it's largely not true anymore.

It's not a secret that when people have options, they will choose the best one based on some criteria, so if you give them the choice, they would take rich over poor, strong over weak, etc. You do the exact same thing. Society does not hide this in any way, unless you grew up Amish or in some sort of religious cult or something. Society shows this truth everywhere, in all the reality TV shows and tabloid magazines, it obsesses about it.

But that "truth" it wants you to believe is not real. You don't need looks or money or resources to attract high quality women. You can attract certain types of women with those things, no doubt, but those are not quality human beings. You will attract desperate humans who are starving for resources. If women are attracted to you because of your resources or your good looks or anything other than your intrinsic qualities, they will leave as soon as you lose those things or they get bored with them. But if you can attract a women with your personality, character and lifestyle, she cannot steal that from you and she will be constantly trying to satisfy you and win your affection just so she can be included in your life.

darchetype · 2016-10-05T19:45:23+00:00

The lies all serve as one big massive shit test. In my opinion, it's good that this structure exists because it helps to separate the alphas from the betas.

Alphas will give a hearty chortle at the Disney-branded relationship model being forced down everyone's throat and continue to live life on their own terms. While betas, incapable of looking past the status quo and taking control of their own life, will continue to let the fantasy model dictate how they run their relationships.

It's a win-win for both sides since the alphas will have less male competition in the field, and the betas get to continue living in their fantasy world.

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-10-06T00:35:56+00:00

It's useful for women to trick a large majority of men to become beta slaves just like it's useful for men to trick a large majority of them to become sluts. Both have been happening now have they?

Allot of us on TRP are guilty of this to, we encourage our plates to be easy sluts and not expect any commitment. Then we wonder why there are no quality women. Just like women wonder where all the Alpha's have gone after they enslaved every cuck.

uniquevoid · 2016-10-06T06:15:48+00:00

Women lie and we are stupid enough to believe that shit

Look at dogs, female are smart as fuck and male are dumb and loyal (sorry for the comparison)

NickelbachCage · 2016-10-05T07:45:02+00:00

lmao who told you that providing for your family doesnt matter? sure there are stories of men who can woo women in SPITE of being poor, but never any stories of women who dont give a shit about being protected. holy shit youre stupid.

[deleted] · 2016-10-05T08:01:00+00:00

Hmm i cant find uncle Neo's comment... i must be early. I know what hes going to say, hint hint, something along the lines of "blue pill programing and elites", but i won't type it down because he does it best.

2Bait4Me · 2016-10-05T09:15:37+00:00

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Title	Why does the world lie about the structure of male/female relationships
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