Has Anyone here started as an absolute incel but ended up becoming a chad through the teachings of trp? I would like to hear your story

TryingtoPassCivPro · 2021-05-11T03:56:37+00:00

Well, I was a drug addict and now I'm an attorney.

drewcer · 2021-05-11T11:28:06+00:00

It’s definitely possible. You gotta work at it and make it your #1 thing.

I didn’t lose my virginity until I was 22. Super awkward. So many missed opportunities. Literally just afraid of women, of life. Depressed all the time.

Now I’m 32. Ive dated girls who get paid for their looks. I own a marketing business that I started from scratch, and I can work from wherever. Business and dating are getting better for me every year that passes. More opportunities and hotter girls each year. I just can’t wait for what’s to come.

I was super clueless starting out. It was a lot of work, I fell off the wagon a lot in my 20s and got majorly depressed. There were times when i had to face a lot of trauma, but I just kept going. I always thought it was possible for me even when shit got dark. It’s WELL worth it. I never get depressed anymore. Somehow it feels like a positive feedback loop just clicked in my brain somewhere along the way. And it was just a result of not giving up. Of obsessing over business, game, life, until whatever it felt like I was pushing against couldn’t hold me back anymore.

i-am-the-prize · 2021-05-11T04:12:32+00:00

OP read the Natural by Richard La Ruina. He had pretty homely beginnings and was a late bloomer.

Fabulous-Craft · 2021-05-11T14:46:16+00:00

We're all incels until we are not.

Red pill is not a magic pill. Following red pill will undoubtedly make your life better a little bit at a time. But it takes work.

Don_Draper27 · 2021-05-11T12:20:21+00:00

OP just look at the top field reports of all time.

OneTrueQ · 2021-05-11T04:40:09+00:00

Implausible. To a certain extent genetics don’t lie. I, however, looked the part of alpha while hopping from LTR to LTR simping like a bitch. My mental was shite. Turned it around and 10xed my notches.

YesToControversy · 2021-05-11T21:54:37+00:00

Before:

A virgin well into my 20s with no education or prospects, alcoholic, heavy smoker, fat, no real friends, nonexistent connection to family, depressed, anxious, angry, addicted to gaming and anime.

Now:

A medical engineer, will do a PhD soon, currently make 6 figures, banged over 200 women, have a great LTR, great friends, great relations to my family, own multiple cars and properties, could retire before I'm 45-50 with my investments, have no debts, take care of my parents and younger siblings, and most importantly: discipline and integrity lead my life.

What changed my life, besides TRP?

Sold all my gaming stuff, stopped watching anything (by myself), adopted minimalism, went to therapy, found out that I'm dyslexic and have ADHD and how to manage both, stopped watching porn, stopped masturbating, learned about behavioural and evolutionary psychology, Crypto, stoicism, started reading about all sorts of stuff, began lifting, prioritized following healthy hobbies in my free time, and finally made sure I'm learning something new every day.

What triggered these drastic changes?

Jealousy towards my old high school peers and everyone else my age or younger. This then changed to getting angry with myself, because I know I've got a high IQ (humble brag), so I should be doing much more with my life and I'm inherently better than this. So I channeled my jealousy, hate, and anger. Turned it all into getting inspired by others more successful than me, and invested all emotions and energy into self-improvement.

What now?

I'm. Not. Done. Yet.

I will continue becoming the vision of the man that I want to be.

Jcorb · 2021-05-11T14:08:03+00:00

Definitely started as an "incel". Just very down on myself, zero confidence, genuinely believed that "there's something wrong with me, something that's too late to be fixed". I was like that up until... probably 30?

I'm 33 now, and while I still have a LONG ways to go before I'd consider myself anything resembling a "chad", I've also come a long ways. I overcame my lifelong depression, I've become more assertive, I'm willing to put my own needs and desires over "everyone else" now (whereas before, I looked out for others before me), I'm way less self conscious (or perhaps better said, I don't let it stop me from doing things I want to anymore), and I'm actively trying to better myself.

I do think this sub can be prone to being a circle-jerk of people being assholes, but there's genuinely a lot of good advice floating around, and guys willing to keep you grounded when you start getting off the path.

quad-scientist · 2021-05-11T15:00:27+00:00

I wasn't an incel per say. In elementary school I hung out with the coolest kids and my first kiss was from the 2nd hottest girl in my grade, but of course that was icky at the time.

Then I moved to the US. I spoke fluent English but had a thick accent, and at the time my family drilled into my head that if I didn't eat I wouldn't grow up to be tall etc. So through middle school and high school I was fat, as in 260+ lbs fat, and everyone would bully me for my accent and weight. I couldn't get girls at all. I'd get bullied to the point where I had a well known disparaging nickname for being fat and people would graffiti my house and projects I hung up in the halls for school work with it.

Then around 17 I decided to change that, and pretty much no-lifed fitness and game. If you're not familiar with with the term no-life comes from gaming and means you spend every waking moment doing something like playing an MMO 16 hours a day to get high level.

I started with no social skills and zero coolness and eventually went to pulling hard. I dated the sexiest cheerleader from my school, who was new to the school so she didn't know I used to be lame, the hottest drop dead gorgeous girl from the our rival school, a bombshell blonde who's so hot that to this day she has paparazzi following her around to update the world on her looks, an Olympic athlete, and had a threesome. The first girl I had a somewhat stable relationship in was a model as in the magazine published kind, and now she's an actress who plays rolls like the main character's super hot girlfriend and is a supporting actress in movies with A-list celebs.

I didn't do per say TRP or PUA stuff, I did my own take on it as I wanted slightly different results that reflected more who I was. I did write contribute to some hallmark PUA material though, including some that accompanies the NYT best seller The Game. I helped write chapter 3 of the follow up handbook.

Then I got really serious about school for a few years and didn't game. When I got back into it I dated a few more C-list celebs including both Disney TV and Disney movie actresses, CBS sitcom actresses, the chapter president of the allegedly hottest sorority at my rival college, a top 140 world ranked adult actress, strippers, more adult actresses, beauty influences with 2 million followers etc. I then ended up being more focused on personality and intelligence so instead of getting a 9 I went a bit down for girls who had great personalities while being smart and driven.

I'm around an 8 looks wise when I'm at peak fitness so nothing amazing, and I started at a 5 or 4.5 roughly, with no social skills and a weird AF accent.

Here's the thing overall though and what you need to listen to. The reality is that we live in a society where women have a massive free pass in life and especially in dating. Victory is just handed to them and it's a huge double standard. This isn't a casual opinion, I'm now an AI researcher who's contributed to record breaking research and I've run some of the most sophisticated brain simulations with women and men's cognitive structures, our DNA is literally built to create a huge double standard between genders, even with no knowledge of our modern culture.

Despite the fact I was hugely successful in dating this wasn't really a victory. The reality was whatever work I put into dating, I'd get about half the return on my investment. I'd be bending over backwards to make women feel something, and women would barley even try and be barley grateful for my effort. This went for women from all walks of life from the 6's to the 10's. It just wasn't worth it. Whatever amazing experience you think you'll get from a girl, it will cost you 2x as much as it's worth to get it, and this is fairly consistent.

I firmly believe most guys including you can get results with enough effort, and honestly game is more something to give you things to do while practicing than a real magical key to results. If you just put in effort under enough motivation most guys can win at this.

Why would you though? Ultimately outside of a few outliers your interactions with women will just be fleecing you for your investment. You put in 2 units of work and you get 1 back from women. This is stupid. Having women doesn't make your life better, it makes your life worse. If you look at all the most successful and desirable guys on the planet they all migrated to minimizing their effort in women. They got super hot women and then realized it was a horrible deal.

Beating yourself up over not getting women is like beating yourself up over not getting stabbed in the street. Women generally don't make men's lives better, they're entitled, ungrateful, hypocritical, and selfish. If you actually experienced getting women like the top guys do, you wouldn't want them. It's just a huge constant burden and endless pain for less reward than the pain costs. This is true for around 98% of women in my experience.

Instead of feeling bad because you can't get results with women, you should feel fortunate that you aren't their prey. You can definitely get results if you try, but follow the lead of the top guys. Stop giving a damn. Your problem stems from insecurity more than anything.

LastStandBeforeOver · 2021-05-11T17:22:14+00:00

Well, I had my first lay a few weeks ago, at the age of 25. So not a Chad but not an incel anymore. I was not totally genetic trash, but I ended up incel with a lot of bad luck and missed opportunities :

- No success in high school, shy, low value, etc...

- 4 years of studies with either high pressure or in a remote engineering campus with very few girls.

- Started to use dating apps and lift more, but poor lifting and dating tactics and still work pressure for another 3 years.

Things really started going really better at the start of lockdown ironically. I identified a sort of "pattern of failure". I suggest any incels here to read if any of the following applies.

- Pipeline : I was not meeting enough girls. I had few friends in the 4 first years of uni and these knew few girls. So social circle game was dead. I was also not going to many parties with many girls, due to the gender ratio of my campus. When I used Tinder, I had some matches but did not contact them a lot due to personal disorganization (see below).

- Personal life : in short, I had no time for myself and/or was very disorganised. Work, sleep, sports, lifting, friends and dating never worked together. First, I was working all the time. The lack of social life pushed me towards more work, and then working too much led to even less social life, as in a vicious circle. To make things worse, most often my room was a mess, and I did not even have time to make it up the standard of inviting a girl home, whereas my sleep schedule was completely messed up and I was basically a zombie. The few opportunities from real life I had could not be exploited as I had lots of trouble investing the time necessary to figure out what to do during a date. Later, I did not make enough time to have chats with girls from Tinder. Managing multiple girls and dates was just an impossibility for me. Also, it was very hard to get started to lift.

-- Lifting tactics : when I got more time, I wasted opportunities to poor lifting and dating tactics. I suspect my main physical disadvantage was to be skinny. When I started to lift, however, I did not make lots of progress. I was lifting the same as I was doing push-ups : lots of repetitions in a single set (eg x30-50) for small weights. Also I was using single muscle machines instead of weights for compound moves.

- Dating tactics : when I started dating (more than 4 years after the start of uni), I had poor tactics and the wrong mentality. In very short, I was looking more for a GF than for sex, which is the opposite from what a dating beginner should do. As a consequence, I was trying hard on a girl, then as she definitely rejected me moved on to another one and tried hard on her, and so on. You can imagine how much in scarcity I was. Concepts like plates, 20/80, dread, frame, and so on were totally foreign to me.. Not seeing enough girls, and how male/female interactions work did not help for sure. As a consequence, I was not exploiting all the few matches I was having from Tinder. Later, in order to not waste too much time, I did not even contact matches and expected them to contact me. You can imagine that the pipeline was even less exploited.

So how did I stop all of this?

Personal life: (incl. lifting) : first, I restored basic work life balance. I stopped working after more than 11pm, instead finishing my task in the next morning. I removed any useless commitments and focused on the essential stuff for studies then work. I started setting yearly then monthly then weekly goals, and started using to-do list apps, calendars and systems like GTD (highly recommend for any incel!!). That made me much more effective. I made sure I had enough sleep, and prioritized sleep to work. Not having mandatory lectures anymore helped for sure. When I started again to have more friends (as I moved to another place for my master's), I also made time to see them and have activities with them instead of working. Finally, I made more time to lifting and a friend (one of those from the previous sentence) introduced me to 5 sets x 5 repetitions with higher weights, making progress much faster. In short, my calendar was more balanced between work, social life and lifting/sports.

Pipeline and dating tactics : the combination of a better pic thanks to lifting and lockdown which pushed girls to Tinder led to a drastic increase in the of matches. I started to talk to lots of girls, even if still remote. I dated one of them when the lockdown was lifted for the first time. For the first time, I made progress in escalating, made my first non-drunk kiss and my first third base, but still was needy and in the end got ghosted. I thought a lot about what went right or wrong, and it made me question the idea of looking for a GF. Then I discovered TRP. How I implemented it was just to set up dates as often as possible with any girl I liked, and try lots of things. I moved from a date with another girl every month to 5+ then 10+ a month, so had many more opportunities to practice. I set up clear routines to make sure I could always bring them home and have drinks and my bed ready. In the end, I realised most of my third bases were when having dates during the evening (not afternoon), and when she directly came to my place the first time. As a consequence, I adopted my definitive schedule for the day : work, lifting/sports during lunch break, work, dinner then social activities like dating. Shortly after, I lost my virginity.

I hope it helps. Many guys might be incel mostly because they do not dedicate enough time to themselves and because they think small in terms of dating (only this girl or this girl, instead of abundance),.

mraees93 · 2021-05-11T04:21:44+00:00

I wouldn't say I became a Chad. I lost lots of weight, got rid of most acne scars(still have some light scarring) and I take medication for my hyperhidrosis now. My face leaned out, very high cheekbones, found out by various women I have a pretty face lol. I'm 6ft2 as well but I'm not built, still abit chubby but I get approach invitations from like 95% of women when I'm in public now. It's honestly too much attention as it's new to me, sometimes I just want to hide lol. Most guys I met recently and even friends I've known for a while hate on me/always pointing out my flaws. I'm working as a jnr software engineer now. A fwb fashion model recently said I should be fashion model but that I should lose weight, even sent her friends and her agency my pics. Told her no it's cool for various reasons. So yeah I wouldn't say I'm a Chad now but I was an absolute incel back in the day.

OttoVonBismark71 · 2021-05-11T07:18:26+00:00

Yes it is definitely possible, by developing dark triad game you can go from an incel to getting whatever you want.

Defiant_Mess5346 · 2021-05-11T17:23:01+00:00

“Some of the most gifted Don Juans were the most miserable failures with women earlier in life” - Book of Pook

TomatilloThese2519 · 2021-05-11T14:27:49+00:00

If you use the term "CHAD" uniroincally. You're never going to be a "CHAD".

cringey as fuck.

Mustbeaight · 2021-05-11T11:57:14+00:00

I don’t think it’s possible tbh.. if you become chad. You were never really incel

SmoothBacon · 2021-05-11T13:12:43+00:00

I wouldn't say I was an incel. I had gotten laid occasionally, but it was few and far between. Within months of finding the RP, I stopped having long dry bouts. A few years after finding the RP I was getting too many dates, I would text the wrong girl occasionally and having sex every week. Settled into an LTR right before the pandemic.

King_of_kings4 · 2021-05-12T04:35:37+00:00

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28 year old fat ginger turns himself into a slayer who has slept with over 100 women including multiple threesomes and foursomes. (MFFF)

DLifts777 · 2021-05-13T01:25:24+00:00

I went from awkward, lanky, boring, high IQ anti-social dork to 6ft3 muscle-bound low inhibition Chad.

My looks improved by getting my teeth corrected, laser eye surgery and becoming 240lbs of solid lean muscle. Thankfully I was born with top tier facial aesthetics.

My personality grew as my looks were changing and my success started increasing. I’m naturally an introvert, but people started treating me better as my looks improved which made it easier to be social. I felt like I was no longer fighting against the tide. Also I always felt like my personality befitted that of a muscle-bound jock (I was always athletic, deep voice but my body looked skinny and so people misunderstood me for a geek).

Then as I started fucking multiples girls a week I became so low inhibition. Literally IDGAF personality, I don’t care what any girl thinks. I’m the king.

I realised a lot of the bad awkward social habits I had picked up from my dad. I basically spent enough time around low inhib people to reverse them bad habits.

AmirIsBack · 2021-05-11T13:33:57+00:00

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holyshocker · 2021-05-11T08:17:01+00:00

I read an article yesterday about toxic masculinity and how a study showed no correlation to a father or mother figure. It showed that the toxic part normally means the guy doesn't have many if any friends. It couldn't show whether it was due to the toxicity or was a byproduct of it. I've considered myself to be "toxic" at times but I also believe I'm just an asshole who wants what he wants lmao. Turns out you get what you want when you go for it though. For me it was a wife that craved my dick and it's been achieved from trp ways. I'd rather be an asshole than be in the dead bedroom sub any day.

tetrachromancy · 2021-05-12T05:00:51+00:00

Anyone who claims that story is likely selling you some bullshit courses online.

Incels already believe they’re doomed genetically and don’t want to try at all. So let’s not assume that for anyone here because everyone’s seeking self improvement and incels are lazy and defeatist.

Have their been come up stories? Yes. Many.

I would urge you to look into your own future and imagine what kind of person you’d like to be in 5 - 10 years. That should be your inspiration, not a bunch of lying retards on the internet.

asianovus · 2021-06-13T18:04:40+00:00

Started implementing and practicing trp when I was 23, as question states, it did turn my life completely around. About 2-3 years have past, you’d be surprised how much you can achieve in this span of time if you actually put in the work.

There is always hope, and you can always turn things around. Giving up and wallowing in self pity is akin to giving the middle finger to your ancestors, who fought, raped and killed and risked their lives on the line just so you can be here today. TRP really steels up your mindset, you go from self-defeating and self-pity to self-confidence and self-actualization.

Stats when 23: - shy, nerdy Asian who had anxiety issues interacting with girls - shitty skin, acne all over - lay count: 1 and that was with my then LTR - life is boring, very cookie cutter, bend down to society and go down a conventional path

Stats now: - completely naturally confident around girls, HB9s, models, doesn’t matter. Social interaction skills and social awareness and EQ way higher. - better skin (due to better diet and lifestyle), which definitely helps with self confidence. - lay count: 10+? Lost count. A lot of which are from different nationalities and cultures. (German, Spanish, Russian, Croatian, British, Canadian, Brazilian, Spanish, Vietnamese, Kazakh) - life is exciting now, it’s like a game. I am building a side hustle now quietly while working my full time job. - the universe seems to reward me more, better quality people in my life, deeper relationships, funnily enough I choose to be celibate now to dedicate more time to focus on building my biz. Pussy gets boring after awhile.

TRP was what allowed me to completely smash all self limiting beliefs about Asians. I am probably one of the few Asian guys in my city who had lays with non Asians from so many parts of the world, on top of an above average laycount.

And if you are still doubting yourself, I did all these alone although I did wish I had someone else to do it with, my results would’ve been more accelerated. So yeah, it’s achievable even if you have to embark on this journey solo.

Title	Has Anyone here started as an absolute incel but ended up becoming a chad through the teachings of trp? I would like to hear your story
Author	Brettman445
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Date	May 11, 2021 2:32 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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