Best current PUA system? (Better than ToddV?)

Special_Rice9539 · 2026-05-30T05:38:43+00:00

Mystery method would be the most technically developed system. It’s not like women have changed since the nineties and no longer respond to shiny objects and banter.

It’s basically the same idea as Todd’s framework

A lot of guys try the mystery method and find it’s too robotic trying to run their routines. Mystery was a professional magician and had a powerful stage presence and ability to be a captivating speaker, so he had a lot of the inner game and charisma by default and didn’t need to dive into that.

I’m all in on routines and technical game though, because “natural game” often ends up just being socially-conditioned routines (how are you? Where are you from? What do you do?). At least as a beginner, it makes sense to have training wheels for making engaging conversation.

epimpstyle · 2026-05-30T10:40:21+00:00

There was an old thread about this but it's 7yrs old lots has changed.

What exactly has changed besides technology? Online dating changed because there are more dating apps now, but IRL nothing has. Read the book "How to Pick Up Girls" by Eric Weber, written in 1970 you'll see that 50+ years have passed and nothing has changed.

To find what you're looking for, we need to know what your goal is. I can't tell you what's the best system because people are different. Instead, write about the problem you're trying to solve, and it'll be easier to find an answer. Maybe it's about communication, or maybe it's courage, attitude, mindset... it depends on what you're after.

OpinionThink481 · 2026-05-30T11:13:11+00:00

Let me know if you my system resonates with you, which i wrote in my book Daygame Code, here is an extract:

Your purpose is to start the sexual experience is to be direct by expressing what she makes u feel in an emotionally driven way, not to try to get sex (or a relationship or reciprocation or anything else) but rather to invite her to feel the arousal u are feeling internally, so that she submerges herself into the emotion and u both just allow each other to sit with the emotion.

And what is the emotion that u express? The way she makes u feel in terms of light-heart sexual desire (not of love).

The emotional effect that her body, her behavior, her mannerisms have on you. That's what flirting sexually is. Expressing ur male sensuality both non-verbally verbally by telling her the things she makes u feel in terms of attraction and sexual desire, for example:

"The way u are trying so hard not to kiss her right now", "the way u lose concentration when she smiles cute like that, the way ur heart rate increases when she does "that" particular thing", "the way her gaze kinda hypnotizes you", "the way her touch hits you like a wave", "the way her mannerisms warm up ur heart". “The way u feel so drawn to her and can't help it", "the way your mind just short-circuit when you saw her wearing that dress", the way you forgot what u were planning on doing today when u saw how cute she looked", "the way she just took ur breath away", "the way you can't help but imagine how u'd like to pin her against the wall and make her yours",...

This is how u flirt verbally, not by telling them compliments or descriptions of what good qualities she has, but by expressing the emotional effect or reaction that her attributes or actions have on u instead, and combining it with the body language and it’s sexual self-expression.

When u flirt sexually, you are expressing the desire she causes u to feel in such a way that invites her to feel that desire, lust and sexual tension that is going through your veins.

Their impulse to start creating sex with you is something they have to feel, and they feel it when you express that desire in such a real and intense way that she imagines ur emotions in such vivid detail that she can’t help herself but to feel it as her own.

She sees the way you check her body up and down, the way you bite your lips suggestively, the tone of contained lust in your voice, the way your gaze pretty much says to her: “I’d fuck you so hard right now”.

That is what motivates her to feel the sexual energy and can cause her to just want to make out with u on pure raw impulse, and to have sex with you, without u needing to ask her if she would like to have sex and without her evaluating whether she should or not because she is not in her head, she is just feeling it and letting herself be carried by the current of your vibe in that specific moment.

It's something that you say without expecting anything in return, so you should not expect her to tell you “thank you”, or “I feel the same way”, or “you turn me on too”, or "ok let me kiss you"...

Just express it because it's just how you feel and only want it to share it right now while you are currently feeling it because the only purpose is inviting them to create a sexual experience if they feel it what you are expressing.

Now she could say whatever she wants: "We barely know each other", "you are so direct, so crazy, so forward", "i have a boyfriend"... Whatever. If she says things like that, you don't say sorry, try to argue, take it back, go defensive, or anything, you simply double down by saying:

"I hear you, I don't want anything, it's just how I feel". While you continue ur self-expression verbally and non-verbally.

See? Ur not trying to convince her, you are not asking for something, you just keep expressing how you feel internally because that should be your only focus.

This is the secret. Literally. Express feelings without demanding anything in return for sharing your feelings. But if you express feelings expecting her to give you something, then that's pressure and it won't work.

What this does is create sexual tension. And sexual tension is the emotional state where a woman starts to feel aroused, horny, etc because she is feeling your arousal and horniness, which is contagious

P.S. I’m a seduction daygame coach from spain and I help men get over approach anxiety and learn how to flirt with women and get to know them in a way that’s natural, fun, and playful, without boring small talk or awkward interrogations. If u want to see how I can help you with this, book a free coachign call here

MineDesperate2920 · 2026-05-30T03:51:20+00:00

I always liked how Todd broke down the why of stuff. Helped me understand it. Also can tell he wasn’t naturally good so had to learn it all. Good coach

WebNew9978 · 2026-05-30T04:03:55+00:00

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Tovo34 · 2026-05-30T07:32:00+00:00

W Anton’s book The Manual is still the gold standard in my eyes

norwegiandoggo · 2026-05-30T16:30:26+00:00

The best framework / system is one that you develop for yourself.

I have never met anyone that is a great seducer that just uses "someone else's system". They all developed their own. They have usually taken inspiration here and there from other guys, but that's about it.

Today I follow that same philosophy. My own system is the best for me. I made it. I tested it. It suits my personality and the type of women I like. It works for me.

I recommend you do the same. Make your own system. Test - reflect, test - reflect, test -reflect. Write it down. That's how you get to a repeatable system.

Visualize_ · 2026-05-30T10:28:36+00:00

The best system is whatever works for you. Systems in whatever field, whether it's self help, business or pickup often get you stuck because it's stuff that definitely works in a sense that it clearly worked for the creator and probably also other people, but the problem if it doesn't resonate with you then there's going to be a ton of friction. Part of it also could be the interpretation of the system. ToddV is solid but he can be overly technical to the point where some guys get stuck hyperfixating on trying to be "optimal" and they end up coming off as disingenuous or tryhard which is literally the exact opposite as what Todd teaches

SparkedIntoLife · 2026-05-30T12:01:49+00:00

Austen Summers Game Transformation is well worth checking out

South-Excitement1720 · 2026-05-30T14:42:26+00:00

I am actually going to say Psycho-cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz. No its not a PUA book, but it heavily influenced some of the early "Gurus" including RSD, I am sure this book was mentioned obsessively.

abcsofattraction · 2026-05-30T05:25:37+00:00

I'll throw my hat in the ring since you asked. I run ABCs of Attraction, been in the game since 2005. We've coached guys across 30+ countries and 100+ student marriages.

I'm not going to comment on other coaches or compare systems because it always turns into a dick measuring contest and that's not useful for you. What I can speak to is our approach.

We run a more holistic system across inner game, outer game (looks, fashion, body language), and verbal game. The reason is that guys come to us at completely different starting points. Some have great inner game but terrible style and presence. Some are physically dialed in but freeze the moment they have to talk. I've had entire bootcamps where nobody spoke English as their first language, in which case verbal game was useless and we went straight to direct game and physical escalation. The system has to flex to where the student actually is, not where the curriculum assumes he should be.

That's the failure mode of any "framework" approach. The framework assumes the student is missing the same thing the framework optimizes for. If the student is missing something else, the framework is just longer reps on something that wasn't broken.

Worth asking when shopping for any system:

Does the coach run live in-field bootcamps or just Zoom/online content?
Does the system flex for guys with different starting points (English non-native, severely socially anxious, naturally good-looking but no skill) or is it one-size-fits-all?
How long has the coach actually been doing this and how many students have outcomes worth pointing to?

Full breakdown of our approach if you want to read deeper: [ABCs of Attraction Explained]

Bottom line: match the system to your actual gaps, not to whoever has the most YouTube views this year.

Virtual_Ad_4817 · 2026-05-30T09:09:05+00:00

Todd V pedantically overanalyzes. It's not a good system. You don't need to microcalibrate yourself into mental masturbation you will inadvertently drive away the girl.

Just because a system has more "moving parts" and nuances does not mean it's a better system. In Todd V's case, it's quite the contrary. His system has you focusing on too many subtleties that don't actually matter. Like oh how do I set up xyz frame so she can think I'm not this person I'm afraid she'll see me as.

Knock it off. It's usually better to just be cool. Like fonzi. And own yourself, who you already are, so completely that she can't possibly pass you up.

To a technically-oriented guy Todd V is like crack cocaine, but it will only spin you in circles. You'll be too preoccupied doing his stupid system to even know what's happening in your interaction with the girl.

Until you learn how to OWN YOURSELF in every way shape and form you will never succeed with anyone's system.

Once you DO learn how to own yourself, the entire strategy becomes figuring out how to move the interaction forward seamlessly, escalate, and overcome her objections. And that's it.

But don't ask Todd V how to do those things. He'll break them up into a thousand micro-steps and then have you tilting your head at a 47 degree angle and if you do it at 46 degrees instead of 47 you did it wrong and SHUT THE FUCK UP TODD.

burncushlikewood · 2026-05-30T03:44:31+00:00

I find Todd interesting, not saying he doesn't have good game but you can tell he's kind of cocky and cringe sometimes, he can kind of be manipulative and brags, trust me it's not that hard to travel to Las Vegas and Florida and all these exotic locations to meet girls, anyone can do it. I suggest learning natural game, you can DM me if you want I'll send you my favorite authors

Title	Best current PUA system? (Better than ToddV?)
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