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[–]Contango6969 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Online dating has like zero stigma now so guys with no game just do that instead of learning. Path of least resistance
[–]palguy22 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link
It's sad nowadays the lengths people will go to just to avoid rejection and approaching.
The golden days of this stuff was in the 2010s when I was basically a kid.
As an adult now in the 2020s I've learned to ignore all the recent negative bubble about how cold approach is so creepy/wrong. Instead I stick to reading a few of the fundamentals from 8-10 years ago and then live my life outside of the internet talking to people , approaching and living without these negative toxic online influences
I generally avoid reading anything about seduction online because nowadays people are too jaded and scared to approach and all circle jerk about using Instagram or some stupid dating apps . Tbh I don't even use social media like tiktok, twitter or Instagram because it's filled with falsehood that will pussify you as a a man.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
It’s become a lot harder with online dating and social media
Most women in public are on their phone and don’t even look at you as you walk past.
You know how porn desensitises guys and we no longer find average women attractive - I think it’s like that with women, if they have hundreds of guys messaging them on Instagram and dating apps including wealthy doctors and really attractive men, then their standard is going to rise and they’re going to become less attracted to the average guy who’s approaching them
Cold approach can still give you an edge over guys online but I don’t know a single one of my female friends who has met a guy that way
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Cold approach doesn’t give you an edge anymore.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
The only time cold approach during the day has worked for me in the last few years has been with tourists
Sometimes it almost feels like it’s dead
Why bother potentially inviting an unwanted interaction when there’s an endless sea of suitors in the palm of her hand who she can screen better by checking their social media rather than a stranger who walks up to her
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Agreed.
Sorry but if a guy online is objectively better than the guy cold approaching her.
The online guy wins every time despite the balls it takes to cold approach.
Also women are extremely picky regardless and she can get 10 of her type in minutes on the apps.
[–]Chicagoj1563 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is almost never going to be the case. The reason why is 99% of guys emanate needy feminine behavior and a host of other things that are unattractive to women.
The entire idea of learning game is to turn yourself into the 10. None of those chodes online, including the good looking ones, are much competition. Once you have your look down and back that up with attractive bold behaviors, you will stand out from 99% of every guy out there and women will recognize this within minites if your game is on point.
Stop worrying about all the guys out there on social media. Just work on yourself and become the male version of the 10. You will be more attractive than almost every guy that comes across her path.
[–]SeanBatemanJr 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I strongly disagree. I don’t use apps and only do cold approach. It’s even more rare than before so it works even better, than before in my opinion.
[–]scarface-08 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think being smart, means adapting to the changing times and the environment.
I think the best way to have better results is accenting it and getting carried away with change.
If the best way of meeting women is thru dating apps and not with cold approaching anymore, why not just use dating apps (and social media)?
You'll have to "face the new challenges" of hopping to OLD and social media, but ones you worked your ass off on your profile, and you have it setted up, YOU'LL THANK YOURSELF FOR ALL THAT WORK.
Trust me.
[–]ZenithEnigma 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are right
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You really deserve the award. Online is really the new I'm real life. Therefore if a guys isn't at least above average he is invisible to the general public. Most field reports are old because they usually happen in bars and clubs. Nowadays most girls don't go there with that intention. Of course there will be some but majority of them don't.
[–]angrypuppy35 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, I’m wealthy and it’s still competitive. You’re just competing against other (usually) wealthier men for very attractive women.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The other way in is meeting them through friends or volunteering or work or something but that obviously require a lot of investment and not everyone has time
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also like 90% of girls in social groups are already with someone.
Especially the high value ones.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also I don’t know how to successfully pull one girl from a group of girls, especially if they’re sober
But I did meet a cute girl whilst volunteering last year and dated for a month or two
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All the good stuff was in the early 2000s before online dating seemed to be the be-all-end-all
You still need game when meeting women in person. That never changes.
Yeah people got used to online so therefore making more people less receptive to cold approach
[–]balkanibex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So is reddit
[–]theangeldust96 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you phrased that very well. Instagram did thay to me and now i m clueless and anxious. Every time I see a friend or some idiot from my highschool with hot chicks on insta i just get nervous and smoke a cigarette and rarely drink. I despise my amorous life
[–]1DNS 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe a stupid question, but where might one find said fundamentals?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn't say it has zero stigma.. no one really talks super openly about it. Went to a Tinder wedding recently and the whole "how did the couple meet" questions were avoided.
I am 18 still new to the game and i don t like online dating, still i don t know any grils besides a few friends and i don't get anything f2f aswell.
[–]CocoBabeNYC 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The method of meeting people has changed. What women find attractive has not.
[–]pleasant__sheep 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Makes sense
[–]MBMBlackMantis 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No, you're just seeing nothing really has changed. Approaches change, venues change, but the mentality and mind set? Basic since dawn of time
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Online dating has killed approaching irl.
[–]osavpoiss 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't get it why guys think that - first of all, do you have any proof or just an opinion that gets circle jerked around? Have you approached any girls IRL?
Yeah.. the age old "well, she has all these doctors and models approaching her online so I don't stand a chance" argument. Most of my female friends are whining about how there are so wank guys online and they can't find anybody that way.
Even the doctors and laywers must have some level of game to compete online and also.. if they are so successful in their personal life.. a lot of them find partners IRL.
I think it's just an excuse that online dating has killed approaching IRL.. the more you practice the better you will get.
Nah not really
[–]ZachMoore88 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Why would they not apply now?
[–]pleasant__sheep 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Idk how to explain but when I'm reading a post sometimes I just have to check which year it was posted because it seems obsolete in today's world. I feel online dating is still king.
[–]ZachMoore88 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
It looks like in-person cold-approach is slowly becoming a lost art thanks to online dating but I wouldn't call it obsolete. There's a wealth of information on the internet and a group of dedicated people on this sub here willing to help out when you have questions.
[–]pleasant__sheep 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Do you have much of success?
[–]ZachMoore88 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I've had 3 closes from 44 approaches. And that's as a rookie. No where to go but up!
[–]pleasant__sheep 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
What closes?
[–]ZachMoore88 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
F and kiss. I've also had number closes but I don't really count those.
[–]pleasant__sheep 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
That's cool. Any field reports?
[–]ZachMoore88 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I've shared details here and there but never written a full report. I start journaling recently to add more structure and cosistency to my game. Have you read any PUA books?
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Nope. I am currently focussing on improving myself. I have a different personal view to PUA.
[–]Environmental_Cress2 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL. reading this shit is hilarious. Cause we’re all so alike. It’s funny that we all write about this shit and treat it serious like academics 😂😂
[–]reddunt3 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The thing is there's online dating and social media and it will keep dominating the dating world.
Of course cold approach will always be an option but I think it will be even less prominent in years to come. I'm even afraid it will be stigmatized in negative ways even further until we approach fully digitalised dating (for initial contact).
Not to say I want to see that happen, I don't. But look at the upcoming generation.. half of their lives is already happening online, social competence and meeting in person suffers. And I'm afraid this trend will continue.
I can't even count myself out: I met my current gf on Tinder and I gotta admit.. it was easier than approaching, it really was. Sure there are many frustrations and setbacks but with patience, good pics and a decent physique, I eventually found my girl as a guy with average facial features.
The amount of couples meeting on Tinder and similar apps is crazy in my social circle. It's already the new norm.
[–]Ikem32 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Some things are timeless.
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
And then why are there less infields from today
[–]Ikem32 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What are „infields“?
[–]pleasant__sheep 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Videos where people actually approach or infields. Even good looking guys preach online is the smarter way for volume. If u see a cute girl here and there and the situation warrants then u approach
[–]Ikem32 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Online dating is wrecked. More then offline dating.
[–]Pikappucinno 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Covid
I'm talking even before covid
[–]SeanBatemanJr 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think people write about it less, because pick up community was based around sex being valuable and hard to get. Today it’s generally much less valuable and hard to get for a lot of reason (and it’s good). A lot of stuff was made easier (online is just one of the reasons) and a lot of «discoveries» of «pick up community» were incorporated into the mainstream. The society is much more mature and chill as a whole, in my opinion, even if it might seem to be the opposite. People don’t feel motivated to write a lay report, just like they don’t feel motivated to write a report about going to the bathroom or grocery store.
[–]MattPruga 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Game has been established a few decades ago, miniscule things are changing but the major picture remains the same. The guys who are good at game very rarely post about their success. It's the crabs that get laid once in a lifetime that make posts for attention grabs. Most guys are like you, they contiuously search for results because it's easier to read than to learn on your own.
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
That's simply not true. Game won't work for the average guy(it's not efficient). People who get laid often aren't usually average. Either in looks, status or wealth. You can't lack all and be saved by game.
[–]MattPruga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Ah, a fellow blackpiller
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
It's just facts😂
[–]MattPruga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
says who? I was terrible with women, barely kissed a few girls before I turned 20. I started working on myself, upped my game by a ton.
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You already stated in one of your posts that you hit the gym. And I'm guessing you are not ugly so...
[–]MattPruga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Ofcourse I hit the gym! You can't expect to be a fat, balding motherfucker and get laid. Put work into yourself, respect your body and people will respect you too. I'm just saying, having some type of game gives you an edge over other guys. Women sense when a guy gets them and they love it.
You are 100 percent correct. Most guys here forget that part. They think they should just go out and approach everyone and their good game will compensate for being fat, fashionless etc.
[–]MattPruga 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Mainly no, but sometimes it will work, I've seen it happend. Guys who have balls are often guys who get laid.
Except the girl is quite tipsy or something. The guy has to be descent at least.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Rules applied for thousands of years, but now it's all obsolete because of OD? Worst joke I ever heard.
This sub is now flooded with people who think that swiping/sliding into DMs is the new standard to meet girls. How can this beta simp behavior even be encouraged in a sub like this? I don't get it..
If you have a better option show us concrete and relevant roof that cold approach is more efficient.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Efficient for what? Getting 5s? No discussion needed.. Getting 8s and above? Of course approaching is more efficient. Last summer I was dating a solid 9 who said something like: "I don't even know why people use Tinder to get to know each other." Reason: She gets approached constantly. No Tinder needed. Whereas her 6s friends were swiping even in my presence.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You think the girls on dating apps don’t get approached constantly too? Of course they do.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Haha, of course not.. at least not by quality men. If it was the case, they wouldn't be on Tinder. Simple as that.
Edit: People in general use OLD because they have no options in real life. Period. If you get constant attention in real life, there is no reason to use dating apps.
[–]osavpoiss 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THIS! - Fcking one reasonable comment in this entire thread.
It’s 2022. Women use dating apps because they are trending and also because they are convenient. A decent looking girl can get literally 100s of likes in just a few hours. Get with the times. People use dating apps because everything is going digital. It’s convenient and easier. It also lets them have more control over who they interact with, they don’t have to talk to creep guys if they do not want to, unlike at bars. That is like saying people who use social media do not have friends in real life. I mean if you spent like 10 minutes on a dating app you’d quickly see that these women obviously get approached in real life. It’s not 2010 anymore buddy lol. Some women even go on them just to get guys to follow their Instagram. Society is trending towards preferring digital interaction over personal interaction. It would be very ironic of you to disagree lol.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So how many girls did you ask about their Tinder experience? Like seriously? All I read is that they have endless options and all that.. in reality, they end up dating one beta after the other and give up on OLD because it's tiring as f*ck. Literally all girls I know dream of meeting their SO in real life.
[–]pleasant__sheep -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao
[–]ZenithEnigma 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
One person doesn’t represent all, but it seems online is becoming more prominent. Night game exists, but I know day game cold approaching is almost dead
Which basically means that is was never easier to stand out from 99% of guys.
[–]ZenithEnigma 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True, but I’d say it is a mixed bag regardless, doesn’t mean you are destined to be highly successful just because you cold approach and most people don’t do it. Depends on how you do it, attractiveness + luck (e.g. finding receptive attractive available women jn the 1st place) and especially where you live
I don’t see how approaching irl makes it more efficient.
If you are high value guy then either method will work.
But in terms of efficiency online is way more efficient because you are dealing with a pool of women that are single and looking.
Also there are so many hot girls online.
Instagram is basically a dating app.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Online dating and social media has killed PIck up.
Which in my opinion has been a positive.
[–]pleasant__sheep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why do you think so. Why is it a positive
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because if you curated a good online dating profile and social media.
Picking up women is much easier and more efficient.
Isn’t the reason of seduction is to get more women at the end of the day?
Dating, hooking up, what not.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because if you curated a good online dating profile and social media
You need to have good looks for that though, having a nice tidied up dating profile won't do sh*t if you're a 4/10 or lower.
Picking up women is much easier and more efficient
It's definitely more efficient, but only for above average looking guys
[–]CloutComputing 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well not everyone is extroverted and living the dream. I work 8 hours a day and do the best I can trying to cobble together a social circle, while maintaining a following on Instagram of just under 200 followers. I last posted in April of last year. I don't see why I need to build a social media following to attract women when I can just talk to them on the street. I have a very nice apartment in the so-called "hipster" section of town. That is enough to pull women to my place, without dating apps, which don't work for me and never will. Social media has never helped me at all with women, and I've had Instagram since my senior year of high school in 2014. To this day I am a virgin.
Dm
[–]Vinegar_Tits_9 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree with everything you said.
As a woman I MUCH prefer online. Why? Because it’s on my time. I go on the app when it’s convenient to me. I can weed out the smokers, weed out the ones that are too young or too old, I can weed out the ones who have kids, the ones who just want hookups, ALL at the click of a button. The women of today work full time, we don’t have time to waste, so we filter out the people who we deem as unsuitable straight away and go from there. It is also safer than being randomly approached by a man we know nothing about.
Online apps have changed the dating game for the better.
Please don’t trash talk Tik Tok.
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