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[–]rudebwoy100 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not only less intimidated but once the mystique is gone you will realize that a 6-7/10 with a great personality who treats you well is 10x better than a 9 or 10/10 who most likely has a entitled princess attitude where she gives zero effort while expecting the most + has no personality what so ever.
It's the same thing as when rich people tell us normal folks that being rich isn't all it's cracked up to be, you will only have such an epiphany if you were ever once rich even though we all aspire to some day be rich or desire such a position in life while we're not rich.
[–]Safe-Investigator271 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the worst is the 10 that breaks dates and when u do hang out, she's on her phone doing social media stuff
[–]V-Future 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Best answer
[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe the real escorts were the hoes we slept with along the way
[–]abogado2018 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn that's deep
[–]PiperBigBell 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
The goal is seduction is not to fuck a bunch of women. Seduction is an end to whatever you want it to be. To get a girlfriend, a harem, a side piece, casual sex, serial monogamy. You can use it for whatever you want. However not all sex is created equal.
There is a world's difference between some fucking you because they are contractually obligated to, and one fucking you because they thought you were the shit. The sex women give you when they genuinely desire you is the most ego lifting shit you can get.
You feel like more of a man after. You feel more confident. You feel more genuinely valued. You value your own unique brand of masculinity more because that's what she wanted you for. You get more long term sexual satisfaction because you can train her to do what you want. You're thinking too small here.
[–]perthanon12345 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
All I really care about is trying different experiences and getting my notch numbers up.
With my busy lifestyle, I don’t really have the time for a GF or chasing tail. I don’t really care enough for a woman to love me or desire me and I would rather not get emotionally involved with a woman.
I used to practice game just to get laid but eventually realised it was more fun to earn more money.
Maybe for subset of guys like me practicing game, escorts is a better option…
[–]PiperBigBell 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
No one counts escorts as a notch count. And no one respects that. There is no lesson or skill in that. Because your game is weak, you assume that you have to chase tail. Game is a hobby, not a life goal. There's no reason you can't chase money and get ass by willing participants on the side.
[–]perthanon12345 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Lol I don’t have to care what others think and if they respect it. Majority of Don Juan’s would struggle hooking with girls that I can hire as escorts.
The skill is in the earning of money to afford the escort. It takes skill to improve your income level.
It takes time to master game and some people are just not suited for it. I saw that Money + time in game = less lay rate. But if you up your money you can get laid more.
[–]PiperBigBell 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If you want to pay for pussy no one can stop you man. But I guarantee you that one day, you will come to care about how you get pussy. It matters.
[–]Glengarry_Leads 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
To be real dude he has a point. The top 9/10 to 10/10 girls are unattainable for the majority of master pimps and seducers with looks and game and social status, even if they are willing to put in the time and energy. Nearly impossible if they are not willing to devote the massive amount of time. That is especially true if he is wanting to fuck multiple ones consistently on a weekly/monthly basis. Plus let's be real, it is a huge time commitment and energy and mental focus commitment to do that. If this guy is on his way to become a 100k-1 million + a year type dude, he surely can't spend all his free time chasing after women or even a large portion of his mental power. It would be easier for him to bang 10s with money and then work on his business/career and chase after regular girls on his down time... or just settle for banging 10s on an occasional basis and nowhere near as consistent as he would he if paid. Or he can lower his expectations lol
[–]PiperBigBell 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Let's get the record straight. True 9s and 10s are exceedingly rare to come across. Most players and pimps are not out here fucking 9s and 10s consistently. That includes me. Are we fucking ugly girls? No. But girls who are generally sexy. 7.5s to 8.5s. Girls who are adjustable.
You do not need a massive amount of time to get good at game. Game is about the truth. Game is about manhood. To get better at game means to become better at the skills of manhood. It is not a huge mental and time commitment to fuck a bunch of women. How long does it take to swipe on tinder? What? 5 minutes a day? Take good pictures and edit? 30 minutes and you're done. Walk up to a girl, introduce yourself.
Vibe for a minute or two and offer her your number. A 5 minute interaction. This topic is disingenuous. Guys act like because they are on their purpose that women just don't exist. But you still have time to sleep, to eat, to hang with friends, pick up a hobby or two, adventure around time, stay up late playing video games or watching tv, scrolling on your phone hours a day.
These so called successful types aren't as pressed for time as they claim to. They're simply scared of women and rejection. They have bad time management skills in general. How long does it really take to find 3 girls who want to fuck you and retaining them? A few weeks maybe if you're really busy.
You guys have your language fucked up. Words like chasing, too much emotional investment and time investment. You don't have to do any of that shit to get where you want. And your train of thought is only going to discourage men who really need help. Instead of getting out there and learning about themselves, women, manhood, they'll blame anything that doesn't fit their narrative as interfering with money.
[–]Glengarry_Leads 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bro I kinda stopped reading when you said it doesn't take a massive amount of time to learn AND PRACTICE game in your first paragraph or so. Even setting up appointments with escorts can be time consuming, scheduling conflicts, flakes, etc. And your telling me dating them isn't going to take a huge amount of your time and focus and energy. Please dude, get real.
[–]Glengarry_Leads 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just want to elaborate my point before it gets taken out of context. Here is the main one: you can offer to pay people to show up and do what they are paid to do. Even when money is on the line, and they are getting paid, women escorts still tend to flake, show up late, reschedule etc. If people who are getting paid for their time are not staying true to their word, how does DATING these same women compare? It makes that time commitment and potential for flakiness 10x more of a reality and way more common. Just saying dude. I agree with most of what this sub is about but if guys just like having sex with as many beautiful women as possible, smashing their guts etc, this is a reality. That it takes massive time and energy and focus and that paying them is much faster and less time consuming and will take less of your attention away from your business, career, family, friends, etc.
[–]PiperBigBell 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You come from the standpoint of a guy who has no game. As of right now, I have a 100% lay rate from dates (which I'm not saying is permanent) and I rarely if ever get flaked on. Once I understood how to do this, game became simple. Because you do not understand the game, you think you have to do 101 things.
Maybe it's just because my self esteem is way up there. But there is no reality in which i find paying for pussy satisfying. When a man pays for se, he's not paying for a bunch of physical acts that make him feel good. He's paying to feel like he's the man, like he's god to that woman, to feel like a king.
And once she's gone, so is that feeling. I couldn't imagine disrespecting myself by giving the gift of my dick and sexual prowess to a woman that i have to pay to keep around. My dick is the gift and women are lucky if they get it from me..but maybe that's too advanced for yall. You guys do what you want, I'm not gonna shame you, even if i do find it distasteful.
[–]jejunum32 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is masculinity and skill in dedicating yourself to something to make a lot of money. Just as there is masculinity and skill needed to game. If OP finds he would rather dedicate himself to the former and then pay for the latter that’s not any “worse” IMO.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you just answered your own question.
[–]PrinceofMcdonalds 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love your answer!
[–][deleted] 48 points49 points50 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
Dude, if seducing a woman is the same for you as paying an escort, go with an escort, if your time is so valuable that you waste a fortune seducing a real woman, go with an escort, if you want to live in the clouds, go with an escort... if you just want to unload and experiment, go with an escort.....Your question makes no sense at all.
[–]apex_pretador 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
a real woman
Escorts are real women too.
Good point tho
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Could you seduce an escort? Of course you could, but don't pretend that making a financial transaction is the same as building bonds....your life DuDe.
[+]perthanon12345 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
The end goal of seduction is to get laid.
Instead of spending time day/night gaming. Why don’t more people instead work more hours and go with an escort?
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[–]Infamous_Winter_3209 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I also want to be able to seduce a partner. Seduction to me does not have to be a hookup or one time thing like it seems OP and others see it as. I want to be able to make a woman lust for and deeply desire me, sexually as well as emotionally. Yes this is a different style of game but it’s game none the less and many things overlap, the hooking up has actually usually been the easy part for me
[–]Lonely_Man22 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
How do you learn how to seduce women? Am a 25year old kissless virgin, seriously, how?
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[–]Lonely_Man22 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is so vague, i need more info, what books to read. I just realized today that having an android is a no no when meeting girls.
[–]Martini1 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You do know which subreddit you are on right? Did you look at the sidebar? All sorts of information the subreddit put there, go check it out.
[–]pp604977 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Read books from dr. Robert glover - dating essentials for men and no more mr nice guy. Will change your life!
[–]Lonely_Man22 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks bro.
[–]perthanon12345 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Just save up and hire an escort mate.
[–]Lonely_Man22 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That’s so lame and unfulfilling man.
[–]perthanon12345 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then be a virgin or lower your standards :)
[–]Aeon199 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Didn't they just say you have to be top 10% guy to seduce, though?
Otherwise, maybe go with escorts.
What else should be said?
I think even to get with "average woman" these days, whether that's for a night, or something more serious, you basically need to be top 10% anyway. Women generally have endless options, so it turns out even if they are nothing special, they still have way more options than you'd expect.
What happens is, maybe you can be top 50% guy and find partner but the rub is, you probably won't be interested in that person.
Any guy who is below top 50% will have to accept undesirable outcomes, etc. That's just the stark reality unfortunately.
[–]perthanon12345 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bro only top 2% of the men can do that which a majority do not fall into.
Realistically, the dork would have a higher chance. All he has to do is save up and then get laid with the 10/10 escort.
The second option is more attainable. Not sure why majority don’t realise that.
[–]highjinx411 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel.like you aren't asking a question but wanting to defend your position of sering an escort. Just compare the two experiences and decide for yourself but I wouldn't count on coming into a seduction sub and convincing others that seeing an escort is the way to go. I've done it it's not that fun. It feels like a transaction.
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[–]jwilhelm0618 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*instant gratification
[–]jejunum32 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s bc having sex for you is about proving something to yourself and seeking validation. OP just wants to get laid. That’s the difference.
[–]StreetBand 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes escort is straight to the point and save money on all the dates etc..
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are free to think it is the same thing; you are miles away from the truth.
[–]Safe-Investigator271 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cause she may surprise you with a peepee
[–]is_rael1B9 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s not all about the end goal imo. There’s something about gettin after it, the possibility of failing, the work you put in, knowing that YOU accomplished a thing, that makes the reward much more satisfying. BUT if all you want is a good lay w a hot body, I guess it doesn’t matter to you where or how you get it. I ask this though, how much seducing and seduction are you actually doing with an escort? Seems like money is doing all the work.
[–]fr0ntsight 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Your lucky to live in a country where this is legal. I spent time in a country where this was legal and it was so nice and way cheaper. There is definitely a case for dating and stuff but it really nice and convenient to just get laid real quick
[–]Infamous_Winter_3209 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
There’s always nevada if your in the states lol
[–]fr0ntsight 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Much more expensive than Colombia though. 20 bucks will get you lunch, laid, and 2-3 beers. I might move there
[–]Cosmokram3r1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Oh man that sounds like heaven. Plus I'm a booty man and those Columbian girls are thicc as fuck.
I might move there too lol but isn't it as dangerous as Brazil?
[–]rudebwoy100 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
If you go to Medellin you may never want to come back bro, trust me it's heaven on earth. It's definitely dangerous but just most of the crime is avoidable as it's generally gang/drug related and mainly in the ghettos.
[–]Cosmokram3r1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Fark. I'm gonna YouTube it to see what the red light district looks like. Is it mostly pro's you hook up with or do the local girls love a foreigner?
I've been to the red light district in Thailand a few times. Mainly because I'm in Australia and Thailand is a fairly short flight. The only problem is the girls there aren't really my style. Don't get me wrong I fucked heaps but I want thicc girls that speak Espanol
[–]rudebwoy100 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If you want thick girls then Rio is going to be the best place to go, they speak Portuguese though.
Colombian women definitely have great bodies, thicker than Thai women but not as thick as Brazilians but still amazing.
Colombian women are very easy going, it's not hard to hook up with one or speak to them outside of the pro scene. If you can dance salsa/merengue you will clean up.
[–]Cosmokram3r1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It seems like Medellin is a safer option to visit. I've read some horror stories about safety in Brazil. I'm looking at videos on YouTube and Columbian girls are fine as hell. I wouldn't imagine too many speak English?
[–]rudebwoy100 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very little English is spoken in Colombia but the fact that you can speak Spanish you're golden.
Just some tips:
If you're going just for vacation and want non pros then stick to Parque Lleras and La Satenta, both are fun places.
[–]fr0ntsight 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope. I lived there for like a year in Medellin. It was THE BEST man. I'd wake up and go to school...hit up the gym..head over to the brothel and have a couple drinks then go upstairs and handle biz...hit up one of the food vendors then head home to plan the evening. It was heaven man
Damn that sounds like the shit!!! I'm guessing it wouldn't be super expensive too?
Edit: nvm saw your post lol. You been to Brazil?
[–]fr0ntsight 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No but while living in Colombia I had a bunch of friends from Brazil. They go to Colombia for fun since it's dirt cheap and more fun than you can imagine
[–]TheNerdsQuest 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Speaking for myself, the feeling of being legitimately desired by a woman is totally different than the feeling of being with an escort who is only there for the money.
I have nothing against sex workers. I am very grateful for them. However, there are certain holes inside of me they just can't fill, if that makes any sense. And I mean that in an emotional way, not a sexual way, lol.
[–]rudebwoy100 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Escorts are people too and if you've been with enough of them you will realize that they have emotions just like other women.
The trick is to be with a good amount of escorts, stick to only the ones where the sessions are enjoyable & now have your harem of women who actually enjoy sleeping with you in a non complicated, non emotional relationship way.
The difference between an escort and a normie that you meet on the street is that with the escort it's sex first, dates and emotions after. Trust me, there's a reason why men who travel to countries like Thailand, the Phillipines, Colombia, the DR and Brazil never want to return to their country once they've visited.
[–]TheNerdsQuest 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
now have your harem of women who actually enjoy sleeping with you in a non complicated, non emotional relationship way.
Escorts are professionals, and it's extremely unlikely any of them would be sleeping with you if the money wasn't involved. You are honestly deluding yourself if you think they have fallen for you or are really into the sex for its own sake. It's their career. You're a client, not a lover.
[–]rudebwoy100 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who says that the women have fallen for me? I'm saying that we both enjoy the time spent together.
Have you ever been to a restaurant and gotten a waitress who's good at her job and provides great service while being very pleasant and have a good rapport with her regulars? Guess what, she also wouldn't be a waitress for free but that doesn't mean that she doesn't enjoy her job and the regulars she sees often and it's the same with escorts that you have a connection with.
[–]TheNerdsQuest 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay, well that doesn't seem consistent with your earlier statement here:
The difference between an escort and a normie that you meet on the street is that with the escort it's sex first, dates and emotions after.
Yeah you can develop a good rapport with a regular. That's not the same at all as an emotional relationship with a normie. That's not what it turns into after a while.
When i made the statement "emotional connection" i meant more in terms of friends with benefits than love and converting her into a gf as i don't want a gf which is why i saught an escort to begin with.
I've been on dates for example with strippers & escorts after sleeping with them and treated them like a regular girl with no money discussed. I always make sure to give them $ whenever we have sex whether they ask for it or not as it establishes a boundary and shows them that i'm looking for just a casual fun time and nothing more.
[–]apex_pretador 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Emotional connection is the difference
[–]rickyfranchise 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP states he doesn’t care about what other people think yet makes a posts asking WHY don’t men just pay for escorts lmaoooo.
Only example I can give you is imagine the kid in school who’s father donated to the basketball team and in return he gets to be a benchwarmer on the team. He didn’t earn the spot it was transactional. The girl don’t like you for you it’s just all business and if that’s what you want then by all means
[–]BatsmenTerminator 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Escorts should only be used as sex practise. It has helped me. Also, I find it easier to open up to escorts and has helped my game i think Hahaha. But I'm a degenerate so don't follow my lead
[–]Cosmokram3r1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm with you on this one brother but this ain't really the sub for this. The guys on here are all about seduction and game and shit.
I'm not emotionally available at the moment. I just came out of a long term relationship and I've been having a huge battle with bipolar disorder that I was diagnosed with 12 months ago. Point is mentally I can't deal with the whole seduction shit since it'll fuck with my mind, so I just see escorts instead.
Like you said, these girls are usually unobtainable anyway for most guys, so I'd rather just pay for my food rather than work for it. Both ways are fine, and usually I do both at the same time but when you have a really really good escort who's hot and really knows how to provide a good girlfriend experience (GFE), I'm happy to do that and it keeps me going.
When I'm emotionally available I usually do both. Try to get girls on Tinder and shit but I also see escorts on the side.
I've been with escorts in just about every country I've traveled to lol I'd consider it as one of my hobbies really. Money comes and goes but experiences and fucking hot girls stays in your memory banks, rather than spending all this time and money on girls who you don't end up fucking anyway.
Plus being single has amazing benefits, so I like that I can have a GF for a few hours a month and just go on with my life, doing what I want when I want.
[–]Darknissxxx 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me and my friends used to say this why waste money and time on women who might or might not sleep with you when you can waste money on a girl who will waste no time to sleep with you
[–]Alex_O7 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
So you pretend to live in a country where having sex with an escort is cheaper than go clubbing?? Lol
Anyway that's the weakest mentality a man could ever had, as if fucking a bunch of escort is the same than fucking a bunch of girls met and seduced in person.
I may suggest you to rather "waste" (in this case not so wasted) your money in a good psychologist to learn exactly why you are so insecure about yourself that you need to "boost your numbers" then pretending you don't care about what other thinks, but still asking others if your ideas are good and of course you have to feel to have fucked X more girls than the average dude (probably not even mentioning most of them where paid to have sex with you).
[–]perthanon12345 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I earn more than $100/hr. At a night I could be out for 4-5 hours and it screws me up next day. I would rather work those 4-5 additional hours and play sports etc.
I have seduced and taken girls home but they were below my standards and my experience was not enjoyable. I have no chance of seducing a girl above my weight with cold approach.
Seduction is fine but a lot of people fail to realise that keeping the girl is an additional challenge. I have had girls walk out due to a lack of my sexual experience. This was a poor outcome after I invested ~10 hours of my time. And time is money.
[–]Alex_O7 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If you don't find enjoyable seducing a girl and rather prefer to work you may have some problem dude, at least for my standard and I like what I'm doing at work.
As for the inexperience part you could always find some inexperienced girl too. Use Tinder for that, is way cheaper than going to escort.
Also I personally was in a lot of situations where I was the inexperienced one (or the less experienced) with respect to my hookup/girlfriend at that time, but it was never a problem for me. You can learn to be good in bed without actually have sex then apply your knowledge with girls. This fake you to be somewhat more experience than you are and give you the opportunity to make more practical exp. And also for my experience all the girls are different so even if fucking a lot of escort may sounds like a good exp for you it may also actually be totally unpractical experience to be used one day. Also because escort are trained to fake orgasm and pleasure so you never know if what you are doing is really good or not.
So in the end my suggestion is, if you don't want to waste money, to use dating apps instead of going to escort. Combine this with a bit of clubbing (not doing this every night), cold approach and going out at bars. And the game is done. Improve your social skills meanwhile and try to make also new friends that could lead you to know new girls. Going to escort seems to me the last chance to have sex rather then the one major alternative.
[–]perthanon12345 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The first step of seduction is opening and conversation. I hate conversations especially when I am the one doing most of the talking. It’s hard when your always trying to get the convo going.
I prefer work as I get a definite outcome. The more I work, the more I earn - simple.
Getting matches on Tinder is a nightmare. I don’t have very good photos and cbf hiring a good photographer. Of course when you get a match, you gotta text the girl, get convo going and be prepared to be ghosted. Also paying for tinder gold yearly is equivalent to the cost of one or two escorts. Tinder girls want a hot guy who can orgasm them. An inexperienced girl is probably not going to be hot.
But I am a simple man and am happy to have sex once a year. Of course, more the better but 1 a year is my baseline. Going escort route would save guys like me their time and avoid all the BS with tinder.
I do miss out of social/seduction skills but at this age, it’s probably too late and I might as well get my notch count up.
[–]Alex_O7 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I reapet what I have said before. You need some serious help from professional psychologist!
You are so fucked up mentally bro that you say things like "at this age it's probably too lete". Like if you are 60 or something...
[–]AHumbleGod 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Not in agreeing with OPs point, but if in aus escorts can be had for as little as $100. Drinks out are typically are $10 for vodka raspberry chuck on top entrance and maybe kebab afterwards maybe uber/taxi there and your conservatively at $150
[–]Alex_O7 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was never been in Australia but 150$ for a night out seems to be too much and on the upper bound of the spectrum.
Also 100$ for an escort is not "cheap". If you really want to dive into the economy behind this "choice" I bet you can have a night out way cheaper, plus you can avoid going clubbing a lot and rather go out at bars (don't know how nightlife work there) and using tinder to set dates/hookups. Still I don't think is both cheaper nor convenient to go to escort rather than approaching.
It is rather a way to avoid a problem OP has with women and his self-esteem.
[–]AHumbleGod 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh 100% you can, some of my favourite dates have been as little as $8 for some ramen and some goon while watching free live music!!
I mean I consider anything around $150 as a avrg night out... by the time you factor in dinner and uber/taxi your at $50. Sure public transport and eating at home could be factored in and pre drinking. But still very easily spend $150 on a night out when entertaining, I do always tend to pay but I'm sure if I wanted to I could just not pay.
I guess if you factor in maybe not having much success rate per night out then yes paying for escorts is cheaper but I definitely am not agreeing that it is better in anyway (unless your lazy and need instant gradfication)
[–]SDdude81 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If your goal is just to sleep with a lot of girls and you don't care that you're only having sex one time a week, then escorts are the better option.
If you want to have a lot of sex then having one or two girls you can regularly sleep with is the better choice.
Personally I want to have sex with a hot girl a least four times a week. Paying for an escort four days a week is simply too expensive.
[–]perthanon12345 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would be happy to get laid once a year. So 4 times a month is a luxury for me.
[–]maliguru 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Where’s the fun it’s like paying for the prize in a game and skipping all the fun.
[–]perthanon12345 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The fun is in earning more money to pay for the escort.
I am constantly looking at ways to earn more money (could be a side gig, business ventures etc) to fund my hedonistic lifestyle.
[–]kylefofyle[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
After reading your comments, it’s apparent that your mindset doesn’t align with this sub. Go make your money and pay for your hookers. You’ll get it later.
Would love OP to continue to make boatload of money in his lifetime. Cuz if he doesn’t…..welll nvm….
If you're at a point in life where you don't want a relationship but you still want sex/intimacy then seeking escorts is a perfect solution. The issue lies in the fact that in a lot of countries prostitution is illegal and there aren't many avenues to go down such a path; most of those avenues are going to be either seedy & dangerous(street walkers) or overpriced due to capped supply.
The U.S for example is a country where prostitution is illegal and any escort who's even half decent looking is charging $500 or more per hour and most likely gives mediocre service because of a lack of competition hence it's a huge waste of $.
Only if you're in European countries where it's legal, South America or South East Asia is seeking escorts while you're focusing on yourself and building your career a viable option and it's quite sad but it's the reality as the tradcons in most of the world dictate the laws of the land.
[–]MalibuProducer77 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What's tradcons?
[–]rudebwoy100 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Think republicans, they believe in traditional values and think that they can dictate how people live their lives because of some backward religious text that they were indoctrinated into from birth.
[–]socozyinhere 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes.
[–]Prankishspace4 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Genuine question here but as a 21yr virgin who isn’t confident with girls is it worth it just paying for an escort to lose my Vs and get my confidence up?
[–]perthanon12345 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep. I feel practicing sex with escort is the way to go. I have had instances where I gamed, spent hours and took the girl home and got laid. But I was bad at sex (I only had 1-2 notches) and the girl wasn’t keen to see me again.
So even if you take a girl home, no guarantee you can convert her to fb.
[–]Prankishspace4 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To true man thanks for the reply! I’m not unattractive I just am not confident and don’t really know what to say to them :/
[–]Ensifror 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Escorts are cheating. And don't provide the same benefit of providing an opportunity for self improvement. One of the reasons you cold approach girls is to get over approach anxiety. Texting a hookers just won't do that.
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
To find half-decent woman these days, a guy has to be top 10%. Just going by very simple probability, most of us will not be able to enter that bracket.
So I mean, what else can be done man
[–]Ensifror 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's not true. I, as a 7/10, maybe an 8 at best, have met plenty of great women via cold approach. Just gotta know where to find your demographic. If you don't like night clubs, you'll probably not meet a girl you really like in one.
The whole point of seduction is to get a girl who was not necessarily instantly attracted to you interested in you. Playing as a 9/10+ is just easy mode.
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Well top 10% could be interpreted literally, while it's more of a scale where money and status come into sharp consideration if you're not great lookswise; if pressed, you would likely confirm the point, since you claim you had some success there.
As an autistic guy who's beaten down in life and with little to offer, I don't have access to your path for many reasons; but surely effort and a bit of luck ("at least one decent woman be interested, eventually") is all one needs?
[–]Ensifror 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I make $20k per year, have a small circle of friends, and as it would happen am also autistic, an aspie specifically
Its not a matter of being successful or high status. It's a matter of acting in a way that projects such an image.
Though as I said, I am somewhat attractive, still no 9+ though
[–]Aeon199 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It's pretty much over for me no matter what though, given my age added to my circumstances, it's just very undesirable in all manner of ways.
At a certain point in life, and this is especially common for autistic men, the only option left is avoidance. Attempting to socialize in order to find romantic/sensual encounter, at this juncture, begins to be laughable and rejection can feel extra harsh for a man like this. With little foundation of value established, it means every negative assessment from a rejecting party (online and off) looks simply true.
I haven't found any other way to see things. Can you?
[–]michelle961 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you.
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[–]Odd-Opening-3158 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
nah, aussie men are too cheap to pay... ! :) and also sex in australia is super easy. i know lots of guys who just have plenty of sex coz the women's standards aren't high and they treat us like shit. i made the mistake of putting up with a lot of it last year when I was naive and new to tinder.
Your hooking up with ‘hot younger guys’, of course it’s easy for them.
Unfortunately, I fail to meet the criteria of a ‘hot guy’.
[–]Odd-Opening-3158 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
actually they're not all hot probably not the way you think. but they seem to do well (not just with me though they could be boasting). believe me, hot is relative. if you're thinking of tall guys with 6 packs, think again! i don't really have a high selection; if someone makes me laugh, i tend to like him. but when i first started tinder, i put up with a lot of shit.
i had guys who'd just show up for 30 mins, expecting a bj or handjob. i felt like a blow up sex doll. now i've stopped that. i'm more selective because if i'm going to be treated like a sex doll, i might as well pick someone who looks good or at the very least, someone who treats me with respect.
but i did in my adventures have fun with guys who were short, short downstairs, pudgy, bald.... i liked them because they made me laugh and treated me nice. i went out with a younger guy for a few weeks and he was short, skinny and covered in tats. didn't have a job, lived with his parents and was 30. he had plenty of gf's before me and lost his virginity at 13 or something. i liked him because he treated me nice and was willing to go out with me; a bit of respect doesn't hurt.
i'm not hot either. i've been told i'm quite unattractive in Australia; not much of a butt and too much boobs :) too ugly. i get rejected all the time in real life and guys never want to talk to me. i'm that chick that all these men in this group call ugly and want to talk to the hot girl standing next to her.
but i'm confident and I try. even when i get rejected i try. i still focus on myself (gym, swimming, diet, work etc) instead of whining about my insecurities all the time. Some guys come back i think because personality wise, i'm easy going.
It’s always easier for a woman to hook-up. It’s very difficult for a guy. I once had a date with a girl from tinder and she had like 100 matches.
I have had mates while try to hit on older women to get laid. But it’s just not for me. Heck, i didn’t even enjoy intimacy with not so attractive girls from my age.
Also what makes you think those guys are doing well? Guys will never tell a girl that they are doing poor - it’s called ‘Abundance mentality’ of seduction.
Heck, I would rather be an unattractive woman than a male. At least you get the option of hookups.
[–]Odd-Opening-3158 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
girls get lots of matches but they're dodgy; i was on another group where they ask people about creepy experiences and I started listing them. then i realised they were pretty creepy! I've been stalked, abused, had the dodgiest of men matched with me and it took me a while to realise that I needed to look after myself more.
Occasionally I do meet someone who respects me and for that I reward them. I'm not talking taking me out, drink, food etc but just common sense and respect.
I guess what I'm saying is that if you reduce women to numbers and rate them on their looks/appearances, it shows and affects your own confidence in yourself and maybe subconsciously the way you treat them. You are judging yourself the way you judge women. And you obviously judge yourself by the number of sexual partners and hookups and appearances seem to matter highly to you. That mentality will affect you and people can pick up on that. It's like a creepy radar from your language etc if you're chatting up women.
Anyway nothing I say would change your mind; it sounds like you already made it up. So, good luck with the escorts! Sounds like the best way to go for you... :)
don’t go to the gym, get really fat and spray paint a six pack on your gut
[–]Ohhhwordddd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
?? Bro you tweaking. Escorts are least $60 at least, I can go to my local bar or Rec room and pickup chicks, you crazy son
[–]Woujo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The point of seduction isnt to put your dick in as many girls as possible. It is to develop a skill that can help you get a fuckbuddy or a real relationship. Also the conquest is fun.
Banging escorts is sad and pathetic. They are not into it and usually try to end it as possible. It is one step away from rape because they dont want to be there. Id rather fuck a woman who liked me and wanred to do freaky sex shit with me because it was her fantasy not cuz I have her $200.
But jt doesnt look like anything will change OPs mind so go buy escorts.
[–]nalinpuri 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is he getting downvoted? He is saying the truth
[–]CSterlingCoaching 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
It's not one step away from rape. It sounds like you have messed up beliefs about sex and are trying to justify them by pursuing women.
The OP's argument stands.
[–]Woujo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Its one step away from rape in that she wouldnt want to be doing it if she wasnt being paid. She is only "consenting" because you are paying her money.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Work is rape? Most people work for money, and not because they like it.
[–]Woujo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Where did I say work is rape?
I said banging escorts is close to rape because you are having sex with someone who doesnt want to have sex with you.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, that is bullshit
[–]Woujo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Have you ever fucked a hooker? They are clearly not into it. It is a gross experience.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, i never had sex with a hooker. But consent is the key word here.
[–]Woujo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its technically legally consent but it is not fun passionate sex like you would have with somebody who likes you. Some hookers wont even let you kiss them.
[–]CSterlingCoaching 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Would you go to work if you weren't being paid? If no, are you planning to sue your employer for "forcing" you to do things without your consent?
No? It's the same thing. Sex workers (unless they're children) are consenting to do what they do.
[–]Woujo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its barely consent in the most technical sense of the word. Have you fucked a female hooker? No you havent. I have. They are not into it. They are staring at the clock the whole time waiting for it to be over. Its not fun passionate sex like you would have with somebody who likes you.
[–]truthbomb999 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A few of the peoples’ goal on this sub is to sleep with as many girls as they can
Not sure there's a competition out there, but I would be happy with good, regular sex...
Isn’t it better, cheaper and more time efficient to go with escorts over seducing random girls?
Of course it is, especially in other countries
Considering the amount of time spent in a nightclub, I could easily hire easily two escorts
I like clubs for the music and the people, the women are just a nice bonus...but you do you
Why don’t more people consider this option?
Because they think they are above having to pay for sex while rationalizing that buying dinner, drinks, etc is exactly the same thing...it's a logical fallacy.
I’m one of those who “I have to try everything in my life” and well, if you like to have sex with emotionless wooden piece who do not enjoy any hit you give them,fakes moans and want you to go away as first as possible, and all that with a coast of 50/100 dollars..GO ON BABY !
[–]MalibuProducer77 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do see your point OP. In my honest opinion, I can only see paying the ones that are only 9s and 10s. Because, those are the types of women 99% of men just cannot get. Even for the guys that are handsome with some social status, they still can't do it 99% of the time. And most of those girls just wait around for either a 10/10 guy, or a rich guy/combination of both. That's why you see the men with super high value only getting them lol. Think about it, how many guys here on Reddit can really pull a 10? Especially on a consistent basis? I thought so 😂 That's why my stance is, if you do, go for the 10s only. Still try with normal 10s too, but we all know the uphill battle that is...
[–]tinyrickmadafaka 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP what country do you live in?
[–]Ray2020K 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My goal is not to sleep with as many women as possible. But it's okay if that's what you want.
I see your your point it would save a lot of time. Please practice safe sex.
For me it is illegal and I want a connection with a woman. There is also a debatable moral question.
I see your point it would save a lot of time. Please practice safe sex.
[–]Oirman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m not into game just for sex. I enjoy the chase and the thrill.
I’ve fucked loads of hookers and it’s never as satisfying as being with a woman who genuinely wants you.
Finding hot, sexy women who adore you is absolutely where it’s at imo.
Any fat ugly old Joe can buy a hoe.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I have only had sex with escorts. If it wasn't for them I would be a virgin at 32. I simply don't believe men and women are supposed to interact in our society (in the UK) much less do intimate things with one another.
Edit to add: And in the UK, most escorts are old, ugly, entitled and expensive. It's a real money sink, but it's better than never having female intimacy.
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