The Shit Test Fallacy: "you would not have to learn to pass shit tests [...] if you [didn't] use PUA material" Thoughts?

daygamer · 2011-01-24T16:44:27+00:00

I think he's wrong.

The other point to make is that, from an evolutionary standpoint, women can't really test men for "alpha" traits because alpha men don't care to pass tests, women's or otherwise.

You don't try to pass shit tests, you basically laugh them off. Which is what alphas do.

I've had women tell me they like to make fun of a guy, and it's a turn off if he gets defensive, and also that they like to deliberately act up to see if he'll put up with it. Sounds like shit tests...

frogma · 2011-01-24T21:12:34+00:00

This is some funny shit. I didn't care to read the whole thing. Girls will sometimes throw out shit-tests before you even start talking to them. It's a natural aspect of flirting, and it's certainly a natural thing to do if they feel uncomfortable when you walk up to them in the first place. It's not a PUA-created thing; PUAs simply gave it a name. Legit PUAs are no different than natural alphas- they're gonna respond the same way to shit-tests.

The main point though, that shit-tests don't exist, is entirely mistaken. Girls in any station of life (HB10's, insecure fat girls) will use shit-tests. Everyone does it. Technically, I shit-test my friends all the time, and they do the same to me. Just because I have a name for it and other people don't doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

seddition · 2011-01-24T19:12:54+00:00

extremely high value women shit test like crazy. they do it because they get hit on day and night, and there's no objective way to test a man's mettle on short notice than to test him by challenging his security, self esteem, and masculinity and seeing how he reacts. If you don't think this happens, then you are not talking to hot girls.

yokhai · 2011-01-24T19:25:38+00:00

This guy is an idiot. He is arguing in a circle in a brown paper bag. All he is trying to say is "oh they don't exist, you are making it up, girls who are interested in guys don't give tests" to which is missing the most basic point. PUA are trying to get the girls that aren't initially interested in them. True, if a girl is attracted to you, they don't test you, but what about if they aren't initially attracted to you. Most guys would say "well that girl isn't into me" AKA they failed a shit test or did something else wrong along the way. The goal of the PUA is to have the highest rate of return on his words. Shit tests are just a categorized phenomena for when a girl who starts off NOT being attracted to a male, is being seduced. It's her attempts at trying to figure things out.

tangman · 2011-01-24T23:19:35+00:00

"Shit tests" feel like "shit tests" when they expose someone full of shit. Something guys who read too much PUA have to worry about.

This blog is pretty depressing to glance over. It's one guy chronicling his journey in to the PUA scene and how he slowly realized how full of shit it is. Imagine, he started in 2007 and in 2010 is still thinking about it, blogging about it, instead of enjoying life with real women. He has so much PUA "knowledge" built up it's taken years to unravel and recover from it.

philosarapter · 2011-01-24T16:37:40+00:00

PUAs say that if a woman isn't shit testing you then she isn't into you. Let's look at this one more closely. Let's say I'm a PUA and a girl is not testing me or giving me a hard time. I then conclude that she isn't interested in me (yet). So what I do is reach into my PUA bag of tricks and start doing cocky-funny, teasing or whatever. As a result she starts giving me a hard time (shit test), but not because she's becoming attracted, but because I'm acting weird and she's reacting negatively to that. But I just figure she's becoming attracted, so I keep at it. Eventually she just walks away. And from that I conclude that I failed her shit tests. I then go back to the drawing board feeling that I made some progress because I did manage to attract her after all, and I just need to polish my shit-test-passing competency skills. But what really happened was that she saw me as a weirdo and I alienated her with my behaviour. The truth is that she might have liked me and that's why she wasn't testing me or giving me a hard time to begin with. But I interpreted that as a lack of attraction and started doing things which I thought would attract her. But it just drove her away.

Depends on the target's self-esteem. Sometimes low-esteem girls like to watch men work to crank out superficial but comical answers so it feels like everyone is on their toes, and she feels like she was worth the effort. On the other hand, high-esteem girls--my girlfriends included--seem to ignore guys at the first sign of sarcasm as a device to wield power. It's a blatant AFC red flag.

Cutesy one-liners are for guys who believe they have to create a facade to keep me on my toes. Turn-off. Genuine alphas don't expend energy trying to create this kind of distance and get straight to the point; they know they're attractive enough for me to want to work with them, never against them. They naturally know they're not the only ones who want it to work out, which makes mind games obsolete.

Just, always know your target before throwing PUA solutions at them.

2StandardDeviations · 2011-01-25T01:43:23+00:00

From his blog -

In this case, the "virus" is being your own man and learning to be happy without women.

After going for two years without sex and learning to be happy without women I can safely say that I have the "virus". And when the day came that I did hook up, guess what, it wasn't even that special. In fact, it was on par with "jerking off". You know that your neediness is taken care of when the prospect of sex is no more exciting than jerking off."

I don't think I want to follow this man's path.

ThrowawayPUA · 2011-01-24T16:49:40+00:00

Shit tests existed long before pickup.

chumpta · 2011-01-24T18:30:29+00:00

i've seen too many shit tests while not using "pua" to think they are a reaction to pua.

pua is moreso a reaction to shit tests than the other way around.

subheight640 · 2011-01-24T19:07:16+00:00

If a woman likes you and wants to get with you, and assuming you act normal, she will never "test" you. That's all there is to it.

That's exactly right. Now how do you get to the point of a woman liking you? By talking to her. By demonstrating your value. By demonstrating your wit and confidence. By passing a shit test.

Mouthpiece · 2011-01-25T01:04:19+00:00

PUA's caused women worldwide to use shit-tests? Anyone who believes that has no concept of interpersonal relations, seduction, or history.

I can tell you that girls have been shit-testing since Mystery was a virgin. PUA started as a tiny, cultish group a little before the turn of the century and didn't become widespread until well after Style wrote The Game. To say shit-tests are a reaction to PUA is giving yourselves waaaaaaaaaaay too much credit.

Title	The Shit Test Fallacy: "you would not have to learn to pass shit tests [...] if you [didn't] use PUA material" Thoughts?
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Date	January 24, 2011 4:12 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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