How Can We "Fix" Things?

hyperrreal · 2014-11-26T15:09:26+00:00

For me it all comes down to the obesity epidemic and poor emotional skills.

There are many problems. But I think most are secondary/tertiary. You hit on the primary one, which is that both genders have unattainable expectations/desires. My argument though, would be that most people don't need/want the 10/10. They just want a 7-8/10.

It's interesting to note that 'redpill' is a mostly American/UK phenomena. And both countries have some of the highest obesity rates in the world. But to return to your point, I think the reason why the unattainable is out of reach is because 70+% of the population is overweight. And once you start to look populations of people in their late twenties/early thirties, the fitness/attractiveness bifurcation really stands out. Everyone's metabolism has slowed down, and so only people who are dieting/training can remain at the 7+ level .

So you have the weird scenario, with near total sexual freedom, constant exposure to hyper-real attractiveness, and yet real people look worse and worse with a small group of exceptions.

The solution (in my opinion) is more physical and emotional fitness. I think there is a reasonable chance that the structural problems that come with sexual freedom, marriage for 'love,' and assortative mating could be fixed if people were in better shape and thus more physically desirable. And better training on how to express and deal with emotions in an authentic way would do a lot to make LTRs more sustainable. Especially combined with greater physical desirability/sexual appeal.

Concluding that our problems are only due to new sexual conditions is jumping the gun. The fact that most Americans are fat, brainwashed by media/advertising, and trained to deal with their emotions in the worst ways possible is huge factor. Maybe the most meaningful one.

Pointless_Endeavors · 2014-11-26T16:57:25+00:00

The usual checklist TRP brings up, and that we're all familiar with. There's no need to rehash. Check the /r/TheRedPill sidebar if you're still unsure what they are.
No they can't. TRP might grow and some of it's ideas might reach the minds of more men, but society and the feminist push to make society androgynous will continue on. At that point, the 80/20 will be set in stone, and men everywhere we be conditioned to be more than happy to be the Beta Bux for women.
I'd sooner see civilization crash and burn then see laws restricting sexual freedom and voluntary marriage.

Kerberos- · 2014-11-26T15:49:43+00:00

I think a big chunk of it comes down to the fact that humans on average all think they are pretty special, think the world owes them, are self interested and like to act like they are pretty above their base animal instincts and emotions. Throw all this into a pot and you've got the stew for the current situation.

The feeling special means a lot of people expect to have the best of everything, its perfectly okay to want the best but the problem arises when people assume that they will simply be handed things on a silver platter and by simply existing they deserve the best. This is especially true in dating.

The self interest makes it hard for big movements to make meaningful change in the long run. While movements may start out with noble causes, all this eventually gets diluted with everyone pursuing their own agenda while maintaining that they are still doing it under whatever noble cause is the plat du jour.

Then there's the rather arrogant notion that we as humans are so above our animal instincts and everything can easily be socialized away, yes socialization plays a part in geneder relations but our neural pathways and base instincts have been unchanged for a pretty long time and play a big role in things involving emotion, attraction and coupling.

How do we fix these things, I have no bloody idea. But as long as people keep acting like that I've realised its much easier for me to adapt to the situation at hand rather than try to change big groups of people.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-11-26T22:20:17+00:00

The system is only broken for those who lose out. Plenty of normal men and women enjoy the sexual freedom in their youth and then settle down later with little complication. There is nothing to fix, females have a natural inclination to select from the best males. It's in a species' best interest to preserve good genes while leaving out the bad. The only way to fix this perceived problem is for society to force women to reproduce with men they're uninterested in, as it did in the past. I for one am happy to have the freedom to choose who I fuck.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-11-26T17:12:33+00:00

Men want alpha females (aka "10/10 hotties" in Redpill-ese), Women want alpha males (note that I'm using "alpha" to refer to "attractive on a purely biological level" without specifying what traits count as "alpha", so this is an analytic truism). Demand outstrips supply, for both sexes.

Really? I think men just want feminine women, and women just want masculine men. In general. Oddities exist, but so do pedophiles.

RedPill4LYF · 2014-11-26T17:32:41+00:00

What are the 'problems' with the state of the dating/relationships arena and gender relations within our society?

Everything currently. Utterly everything. SJWs and Feminism together have completely destroyed our culture, and it is only a matter of time before society collapses. Hypergamy is running amok, and the only thing that can stop it is if we implement new constructs that hold women accountable for their actions.

I've been hearing stories about bills trying to get passed that would essentially say men are rapists for misrepresenting any little thing about themselves in order to get sex, meanwhile women can do or say any number of things to acquire relationships and resources from men like usual. That's insanity, and this trend of boxing men in is either going to result in an epic backlash, or the enslavement of men. Either way, no one will be happy except for the most sadistic women.

Can they be fixed, and if so, how?

The most radical thing anyone can do right now is actually listen to men when they tell you about their experiences and actually give a damn about supporting them for once. Like I said, create new constructs that hold women accountable for their actions. It's time to stop treating all women legally as the equivalent of adult babies. Equal rights, equal consequences.

How can we preserve sexual freedom and voluntary marriage whilst still addressing the problems?

/r/EqualRightsMovement is going to need help from dedicated members who actually want to do something to fix the situation instead of sitting around complaining about what is currently. We're going to need to do some serious research and brainstorming to identify the exact rifts in the inequalities people are faced with, and we need to be unified by the goal of removing unfair advantages and disadvantages placed on every gender and ethnicity in society so everyone gets to work on an even playing field.

Everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions, not just some.

TempestTcup · 2014-11-26T15:29:09+00:00

If we assume a genetically-inbuilt desire to specifically spread one's genes (I don't but I'm doing a thought experiment), women retaining full sexual freedom seems to imply (due to the 80/20 rule) that most men will not be able to spread their genes. This will lead to a lot of depressed, despondent men who may 'drop out' of civilization since they have no future offspring to care about (although this may be somewhat mitigated by kin selection).

I have the solution. Force all single people to go on Hot or Not and have their attractiveness evaluated. Match up all the men and women with similar SMVs. Force sex and procreation on these couples by gunpoint if necessary. BOOM! Problem solved.

You are welcome!

throwawayjapanese · 2014-11-26T18:51:38+00:00

White men convert to Islam and put white girls in burkas and enact Sharia law.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-11-27T02:41:04+00:00

We can fix things by putting terpers in camps.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-11-26T14:11:55+00:00

How can we preserve sexual freedom and voluntary marriage whilst still addressing the problems?

you cant

adrixshadow · 2014-11-26T14:33:08+00:00

You wait.

You see all those Muslim and Christian communities? Outbreeding us.

You can certainly fix marriage, Germany I heard has a pretty good one.

You can also use TRP concepts that work with LTR like frame,boundaries,domination and sexual satisfaction. Insert into the betas some spine.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-11-26T21:54:49+00:00

Simple.

Stop putting "looks" as your number one priority. Judge people by their personality.

Ignatius_Oh_Reilly · 2014-11-27T05:28:41+00:00

We aren't the animal we wish we were, we never will be. We've created an artificial peaceful ideal, but the problem is like all other animals we are contradictory, self serving, and at times viscous. The fix is accepting ourselves, excepting life if rough, unfair and we need it to be.

You don't lock a bunch of lions in a zoo, and get confused why they still fight when there is enough food to go around.

winndixie · 2014-11-28T23:38:27+00:00

You want to hear something crazy? I actually think Christianity's one woman per man belief is the solution to this. Women don't cheat outside their marriage cause hypergamy, men don't fuck other women, so the beta males get one too.

Or basically, Women: sleep with more betas

Males: marry dat gurl

Neither of which will easily happen.

winndixie · 2014-11-29T03:07:06+00:00

/r/RedPillWomen

aggressivejoe · 2014-11-29T23:41:23+00:00

Genetically engineer out the fundamental biology that creates different sexual goals between the sexes?

sh1v · 2014-11-28T10:08:22+00:00

The solution is simple, but no one here (or anywhere) is going to like it...

More male deaths. If only about 40% of men survive to spread their seed, every other problem sorts itself out. That's it. That's all there really is to it.

If you look at our genetic heritage, that's the ratio of men that ever managed to breed. I'd argue that this was largely because men were busy killing each other, dying in war, going off on campaign or exploration, being massacred by huge roving armies while women/children were sold into servitude, dying of poverty while female relatives were being sold off... oh, and being gelded.

The surviving men, and particularly the sexually successful men of those times would have been hardened, natural alphas. The inherent dynamics of the sexual marketplace would have skewed more to their favor, or shall we say, more towards a healthy balance. Men would've have less cause to put up with shitty, entitled behavior. Men would've been more valuable in general, and more likely to hold the attention of the woman/women fortunate enough to acquire their commitment. In turn, women's hypergamy would theoretically be automatically sated, since the best men are the only ones left around.

GaiusScaevolus · 2014-11-29T22:04:26+00:00

Culturally, we must decide whether the genders are to be treated in line with their traditional roles, or as carbon copies. This could mean big reforms in the way our legal system treats men and women in regards to DV, accusations divorce and sentencing.

Additionally, we need more honestly about attraction, standards and reality. But that's unlikely to happen...,

AFormidableContender · 2014-11-26T19:15:22+00:00

Fathers, dammit. 80% of RP seems to have had not a father or not a very useful one...

Suppose that a guy who radiates a good, winner, confident, "frame holding", sexy, but non-hateful and non-toxic kind of massculinity, would offer, as a for-profit business, "fathering camps" to young men? College summer break, three weeks long, no more than 10 guys per instructor?

Title	How Can We "Fix" Things?
Author	YetAnotherCommenter
Upvotes	18
Comments	133
Date	November 26, 2014 2:03 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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