Leadership is Gay

r_u_a_badfish2 · 2019-02-26T11:55:32+00:00

This post is gay.

Cloudy_Pirate · 2019-02-26T12:49:18+00:00

Low quality rant.

Leadership is influence. Nothing more, nothing less.

Leadership is simply moving other people into your frame.

So yeah, if your frame is gay, then your leadership will be gay.

mrp_awakening · 2019-02-26T14:06:15+00:00

That was a long ass rambling post.

Leadership is an alpha tell... plain and simple. Humans are a social species and are naturally lazy. When they feel like someone who's working towards a common goal has a better vision or is better at doing the executive planning/organization they'll submit. Dominance is an alpha trait... submission is a beta trait.

Sure, you can go it alone if you like and be outside of the social structure. But what you're capable of accomplishing as a leader greatly exceeds your potential as an individual. Isn't that the main goal of this sub and an RP man... to operate at his maximum potential? If you truly have great vision, realizing it may require you to lead others to work towards your vision. Here's a nugget to think about... how far would SpaceX be if Elon Musk decided to go it alone and do all the design/fabrication work himself?

RStonePT · 2019-02-26T13:51:33+00:00

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resolutions316 · 2019-02-26T14:22:48+00:00

Why the fuck is everyone complaining about this being hard to read? Thought it was pretty clear.

I disagree with the thesis, but I also like this post a lot.

There isn't enough pure nihilism in the world.

donmcde · 2019-02-26T13:28:04+00:00

This feels like I just listened to my wife try to tell a coherent story.

red-sfpplus · 2019-02-26T12:47:52+00:00

Here is my reply based off a quick skim.

My goal in life is to maximize my income while I minimize my work load.

That is accomplished by the leverage of other resources which requires, at a bare minimum decent leadership skills.

So if you think leadership is gay, cool. Come to work for me. Ill tell you what to do.

man_in_the_world · 2019-02-27T05:31:27+00:00

Your strawman definition of "leadership" (the version that the sociopaths assign to the clueless) is analogous to beta choreplay, and yes is misguided and a diversion of effort in largely useless directions. The analogy to your version of leadership (by posturing and mystery) is PUA/Dancing Monkey game, which can work to fake leadership long enough to get by in short term roles such as in your position as a consultant. But this won't suffice in a long term leadership role, just as LARPing alpha gets found out and fails in a LTR.

Your management by chaos idea sort of works because somebody usually steps up and partially fills the leadership vacuum you have left. As a short term consultant to failing organizations, you may have never seen effective leadership, which may explain why you don't understand it or recognize its power.

InChargeMan · 2019-02-26T15:07:53+00:00

This comes across as LARPing from somebody who has had a small taste of leadership and delusions of grandeur.

RuleZeroDAD · 2019-02-27T04:02:51+00:00

Are you sure you're not just working for Zorg?

Taipanshimshon · 2019-02-27T04:09:42+00:00

What kind of leadership are you trying to say is gay? You working for someone else ?

Bitch you ain’t a leader. Gtfo faggot

weakandsensitive · 2019-02-26T14:20:26+00:00

Love the concept, it's worth discussing, - hate the presentation and formatting. I couldn't follow the message. Too much ranting, not enough thought for my liking. Maybe I'll try again later.

dontlike-hotz · 2019-02-26T10:18:46+00:00

I wish I had read this post or had a discussion with you earlier in life.

Will read a few more times. Thanks for sharing

470_2_700_nm · 2019-02-26T12:23:04+00:00

Where in sweet fuck does this tie into rule zero?

[deleted] · 2019-02-26T14:33:52+00:00

Leadership is changing the world to your narrative. I directly manage only a small group of people (5) directly, but I have huge influence as a leader in the organization. I am in demand of every group and I can push my ideas and frame the solutions to problems as I see fit. I see this as leadership - not managing a team into chaos. That's poor management.

Also, you can be 'lazy' and a leader. If by lazy you mean have non-work time, that's easy. Just be more efficient in getting your shit done. 95% of the people have bullshit meetings, surf facebook, or spin their wheels instead of working. Hell I'd say being lazy makes you a better leader since you're looking at better and better ways of doing business to save yourself time.

SkippyBoyTx · 2019-02-26T14:51:23+00:00

Not sure I understand what is happening here - but I do have a few questions.

Why is this post in MRP? Wouldn't the main sub be a better place for exposure and constructive discussion?

itiswr1tten · 2019-02-26T15:43:42+00:00

Let's see if I can condense this.

Hands on leadership is generally a waste of effort because engagement or "good attitude" really isn't teachable
Ipso facto the leader needs to cull the chaff with shit attitudes because you don't bother trying to change that specific aspect of the employee
Your recommended approach is to select for two types:

Rah Rah fags for rank and file who just need the occasional push to stay on track
Cynical, emotionally indifferent types for advancement and management

By fostering these two types, you will minimize your active effort required to run the enterprise
Conclusion: active leadership is for lower and middle management, passive people selection is what makes the C suite

DrPillPopperMD · 2019-02-26T16:53:39+00:00

One - this post/format reads like a mad scientist trying to convey his thoughts (think the professor in Back to the Future) lol. I could barely get through the whole post.

Two - I think this post really leaves a big part out, sure u can lead and manage by mysteriously not being around and popping into the office once every few weeks or whatever you were saying but I think that is completely ass backwards and impossible unless it’s ur own company. The big missing piece is at some point you had to prove ur worth, show them the way, ur expertise, ur billions in sales, whatever ur industry requires. You can’t just lead the way u suggest without putting in the work.

I’m all for delegating work, surround ur self with great people and they will do great things but the boss who strolls in and demands this and that barking KPIs and throwing negative inquiries around comes off as an absent jackass putting all the work on his team - not some respected leader that everyone is dying to see when have the opportunity because he graced them with his presence.

[deleted] · 2019-02-28T17:13:35+00:00

Leadership is simply others falling into your frame, whether out of admiration, trust, cause or fear it is all the same. One can have poor leadership qualities causing the destruction of entire nations and yet be placed in a position of leadership based on right, nepotism, or force. One can have great leadership qualities that arise in a man once every thousand years yet be overlooked and passed up due to refusal to adhere to an established system of norms, beauracratic jealousy and arrogance, lack of formal qualification or experience, smear campaigning.

Whether a good leader or bad leader doesnt matter, one is made a leader by others falling into the leaders frame willing or not. Some of the greatest leaders detest even the concept of leading and refuse leadership furiously until the last moment, some of the worst leaders ever have done whatever was in their power to be chosen over others in a position of leadership, asserting thet they are best suited for it.

I may be wrong but your type of leadership seems poor, but then again i dont know the facts. You seem rather cynical in your approach, it may simply be that you care more for serving your own interests as opposed to what serves the group, and thats ok as long as you are willing to deal with whatever concequences arise if any. You are not running a coutry or starting a revolution after all.

Frame is everything.

Rids85 · 2019-03-10T21:59:22+00:00

This post gave me prostate cancer

Persaeus · 2019-02-26T12:32:29+00:00

i like this post. i'm curious, what do you do with people that don't give two fucks whether you fire them or not. asking for a friend.

Title	Leadership is Gay
Author	RPeed
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Comments	54
Date	February 26, 2019 9:33 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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