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[–]TempSeduction 105 points106 points107 points 7 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Do not be bold, just to be bold. Do not be outrageous, just to be outrageous.
Do it because you want to do it, at that moment, at that place, on that time. Find your own path. These statements of boldness etc. are relative, define them yourself.
Would love r/seduction to promote this some more, but would probably be against a lot of marketing strategies.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The problem with this post is that regardless of how bold and “bad boy” you are if women sense your behavior is self consciously deliberate and thus outcome seeking it doesn’t matter how alpha you are man. Bold is desperate when you’re deciding to be bold to get laid and they can sense it. What really turns women on is subcommunications of abundance and success in the rest of your life such that seducing her is just a low exertion extension of your all day winning mindset. Newbies get all hot stroking themselves in this OH I’m an alpha suave aggressive seducer mindset they can shit test away in seconds. Alpha males don’t think about how to seduce they act from who they’ve become through their life. They can tell you’re putting a lot into it or that you’re trying to be someone “girls are attracted to” and that’s the worst thing you can convey. Too much focus on game makes you’re presentation gamey and makes you seem like not much else is going well in life. Some girls like a guy who’s overtly obsessed with sex and seems a little over invested because it seems “dominant” for a steamy night with a manwhore when they’ve had one too many but I prefer the approach that I’m focussed on killing it in life and I wanna sleep with her but I could care less if this nonchalant interaction goes well. Stand on your own two feet and stop acting.
[–]Schroef 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
your behavior is self consciously deliberate and thus outcome seeking it doesn’t matter how alpha you are
You’re not ‘alpha’ if you behave that way. ‘True alpha’ behaviour is confident, decisive and most of all true to yourself. Redpillers and nice guys are two sides of the same coin: fake behaviour to try and get into a girls pants.
[–]TheJoeyJoeJoe 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is an intelligent reply, and I agree with what you're saying.
Still, newbies will get a lot further with "desperate" boldness than not making a move at all.
The abundance mindset is massively helpful, but it takes time to cultivate. This advice should hopefully help newbies reach it faster.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’ll add, it takes a lot of rejection as well. There’s practically nothing that will get you over rejection than mileage. Over time another blowout is so meaningless they start happening less because you weren’t even worried it was gonna happen. You become numb to it but only from pain. At that point you’re just trying to have a good time and either way you leave fulfilled or to a lay, and her sensing that is why it’ll probably be the latter. Thank you
[–]Dilpil01 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also it's the small successes that urge you on. You get blown out by 20 girls but then last minute hookup with a hotty gives you that ray of hope that drives you forward into more blowouts. There is success to be had sooner or later for the bold.
[–]Anti-Satan 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The reason r/seduction doesn't teach that more is because it's fucking awful advice for a beginner. The advice given is to go all out because they are extremely repressed and therefore aren't likely to go way too far. There's also a lot to be learned from going way too far. If you haven't fucked up sets because you went too far, you're not going to have a good feel for how far you can go. When you give a beginner the advice that they should follow their own path and decide for themselves what do to, you end up with the guys who stand at the bar all night with a good excuse for every girl they aren't approaching. It's easy to nitpick this post and point out how rudimentary and shallow it is, but that's what it's meant to be. It's mean to be that first step you take.
[–]Chabubu 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
This advice is not really helpful for guys that fall into the nice-guy category.
The reason is that these behaviors are kind of like the comedian, or clown behaviors. If this is what you have to do to get attention of the women, then you are going to lose her attention as soon as you revert back to being yourself.
I believe that what nice-guys need to hear is that they have to change:
A women knows YOUR answer to those three things based on how you present yourself.
The loud, obnoxious, aggressive guys are scoring high because they are communicating "I have high expectations, high confidence, and don't care what others think, and you can see that because I'm an obnoxious douche."
A "nice guy" on the other hand is scoring low marks on those because he is a people pleaser.
A woman wants a man, not an assistant to do whatever she says. Doing what someone else wants, rather than getting what you want is low value. That's because you don't set boundaries, you let others take from you, and you believe your value goes up or down based on how others receive or respond to you.
As a nice guy, you need to learn how to communicate the 3 things that the obnoxious douche is doing, but in a way that is congruent with your personality. This will then carry over to the way you dress, walk, talk, and communicate with women in a way that communicates high value.
If you start being a clown douche as a way to communicate those values, you'll attract the type of women that want douchey clowns, which aren't typically long term relationship material.
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[–]Chabubu 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There's a big difference between serving out of compassion or a desire to help others, and being a door mat that people walk all over and take advantage of. Serving, helping, and giving to others is definitely a positive quality.
The problem is that most nice guys fall into the door mat category. You do everything you think the woman wants, and she loses respect for you because of it.
You can continue to be someone that gives, and serves others out of compassion, BUT you need to know how to set firm boundaries.
For example, it may be serving others to let someone live on your couch for free temporarily while they are trying to find a place to move to. But you would be being taken advantage of if that person decided they don't want to move out and they are happy where they are not paying rent.
Saying no to something and standing behind it, even if a girl does not like it, is an indication that you have boundaries and self confidence. It's actually more attractive for a woman to be told no, and have the man stand his ground, then have the man cave in and do whatever she asks.
Would you do a girls homework for her to help her pass her classes? Or do her actual job for her and she keeps the paycheck? What about pick her up and drop her off whenever she texts you to ask for a ride? What about go out to eat and pay all the bills every time? What about be around to talk to her and hear about her problems she is having with other guys that mistreat her?
All of that may sound like serving or being a good friend, but in reality, it's being taken advantage of.
Also, there are plenty of elderly people that need that care and attention and compassion. There are plenty of disabled or physically unfit people that need that support. Why do nice guys end up being a door mat for women they are interested in and call it "being a good friend"? It's because secretly they are hoping that their actions towards her will be reciprocated with sexual interest. They are trying to "buy" her love and interest with good deeds. That's the difference between real service and dishonest "nice guy trying to win the girl" behavior.
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[–]Chabubu 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think if you are doing something specifically because you are concerned about how the other person would respond if you don't do it, then you might be being mistreated.
[–]kakarot38 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Saved because this is gold!
[–]Chabubu 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you find that info beneficial I recommend reading the following 3 books.
The subtle art of not giving a fuck.
How to be a 3% Man
The way of the superior man.
Those three books really expand on the 3 things I highlighted. Not being overly worried about what others think, communicating effectively (and communicating value), and finding/living your purpose/value.
I propose you read them in the order I listed if you have not read any of them.
[–]kakarot38 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve read the first one and I’m about half way through the second one. I’ll have to pick up the 3rd one.
My biggest problem that I can’t seem to shake is my lack of self confidence. I lost out to a nice girl this weekend that was interested but I blew it when she gave me one or two shit tests. All the rest went well but she caught me off guard.
[–]Dilpil01 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really important part to this was congruent with your personality. Still be yourself, it's very important
[–]Ti7ANEUM 17 points18 points19 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Interesting, but you said this in a douchey way.
I’ve figured out this tightrope between treating her with respect and taking the lead with her. But you make it sound like you have to have asshole tendencies to do so, which is definitely incorrect.
[–]MicDrop2017 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually, I was just wanting for him to say..."oh know...just attack her..."
[–]That1betaUknow 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey, pornhub statistics show 25 % of possible female partners want you to have the desire to do so and the ability to pull it off. 😉
[–]actualMattD 53 points54 points55 points 7 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Speaking as a guy that has had plenty of threesomes and lots of casual sex, (although I'm not interested in one night stands) i don't do any of these dick moves you describe. Sure i say outrageous things and i don't always agree with women, but that's about it. I treat women with an immense amount of respect and i don't make any moves without enthusiastic consent on their part.
While it may be true that if you sexually harass enough women, eventually you will find one that doesn't mind it, some of us aren't willing to go around harassing women in order to play a sick numbers game, and frankly I'm not attracted to the kind of woman that likes being treated that way. I like strong women, and they like me. Any woman who would be ok with being grabbed in the way you describe is of no interest to me.
[–]ethical_pa 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
To be clear, I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't mean grabbing a random girl by the hips and grinding on her, or pulling a random girl by the hand to the dance floor. He means that these are some of the things guys who are good with women do, or at least try with girls they have built some kind of rapport with. And sometimes not...
[–]mdc2052 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This guy fucks.
[–]SyrusDrake 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, glad I'm not the only one who got harassment vibes from this. I tend to err on the side of caution, so I'm not always sure when I'm over-reacting or when there's really something off.
[–]ethical_pa 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
LOL. This whole response... I'm gonna call bullshit here. It's pretty obvious to me that you are still operating under a "nice guy" paradigm. There are so many things but for one:
frankly I'm not attracted to the kind of woman that likes being treated that way.
And what kind of woman is that? A SLLUUUUUUUUUUUTTT?
The most ironic thing about the white knight/nice guy thing is that you are making assumptions about women's sexuality based on mainstream BS (and not actual experience) and slut shaming women when they don't fall in line with those assumptions.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're under the illusion that touching women you just meet is ok to get sex and not realising the harm you are doing to some women. Guys who learn "physical escalation" are literally learning to gamble on sexual assault vs getting consensual sex based on body language responses. It's very risky. There are ways to seduce using just your words and touching later when you've already gotten verbal consent. E.g whispering into a woman's ear until she is so wet, and then getting her to beg you for your dick, and THEN touching her.
[–]ethical_pa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This sub is fucked. But on the off chance that this would help any poor souls who might come across this: a man whispering into a woman's ear is a very intimate thing. Please don't do this unless she's ALREADY attracted. It's extremely uncalibrated and is likely to creep her the fuck out.
This is something that you would do very much later in physical escalation after you received signs that she was ok with much more basic things.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please don't do this unless she's ALREADY attracted.
Yep you're absolutely right, I forgot to mention ... thanks for pointing that out.
Yeah after you check her body language and feel she is interested and comfortable with you, whisper in her ear. But physical escalation is last even after whispering in ear.
[–]actualMattD 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess you failed to read the first few lines of my post. I've had plenty of threesomes and i have a lot of casual sex. Yet i don't conform to your ideas of how to get girls.
And yes i love sluts. Just not the kind of slut who is ok with being sexually harassed. I prefer the kind of slut who punches a guy in the face for acting the way op describes. That's my kind of woman!
[–]Avinctus 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where do you read the ‘dick moves’? I’m honestly interested, because I didn’t get that at all from reading reading what OP wrote.
[–]actualMattD 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's possible I misunderstood him but if he's talking about grabbing women in clubs who you aren't already very friendly with then that's what i consider a dick move. I'd never do that. If i meet a woman at a club or a bar and we're flirting i might make some verbal offers for fun, (and i can tell you more about my methods of getting verbal consent,) but I'd never put my hands on a woman without a clear indication that she wants that. He also seems to take a numbers game approach to interacting with women that i really don't appreciate. I wouldn't see it as a success to annoy three (or any number of) women in order to find the one that's ok with being grabbed. My idea of success is that one woman is having fun with me and no one has a bad time.
[–]two_goes_there 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
What is your height, and are you athletic?
[–]actualMattD 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I am very average. Not attractive but not overweight. I do my best to dress nicely though.
[–]phanzov36 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ok, I'm very curious as to how a very average guy managed multiple threesomes. Like how do you initiate?
[–]actualMattD 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I spend a lot of time around women, I'm very respectful, and many of them are bisexual. I also know my way around the female body, and they know that i know, so a lot of my women friends like to have casual sex with me because i put all my attention on their pleasure and I'm not trying to fuck them unless that's what they want. The threesomes are mostly initiated by them, basically including me in something that they were going to do anyway. Also there's a few women who like to show me a good time on my birthday! So I'm not generally the one initiating. The kind of women i hang out with are the type who like to initiate things themself. I might suggest some ideas for fun but i make sure to leave it up to them and that's what they like about me. They trust me and think of me as very safe for fun with no drama or shame.
[–]phanzov36 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your reply! Are you involved a kink-friendly/sex positive community? Most women I know, including bi women I've gone on dates with or hooked up with, generally don't put out the vibes of looking for a threesome, but I know they obviously happen. Thus, I'm trying to figure out environment-wise (besides factors like improving at pleasuring a woman, game in general) what separates guys who find opportunities for threesomes from guys who don't.
[–]actualMattD 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes. Sex positive, poly, but not kink.
[–]phanzov36 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gotcha. Thank you for the input!
[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are you 6ft? White? Muscular?
I'm average height, 5'9", not at all muscular, but not out of shape either. I'm of Mediterranean descent so I'm not Caucasian white but I'm slightly ethnic but pretty white by most standards.
I'm also in my forties but a lot of my girlfriends are in their twenties. I make a good living that allows me to take women on nice dates but I'm definitely not the kind of guy that could pick up a woman in a car or club. All the women i date have met me through mutual friends.
[–]Visualize_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where exactly in the OP does it suggest to be a dick to women? It's pretty much saying nice guys play it safe and don't lead
[–]actualMattD 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If he's suggesting grabbing women you don't know then that's a dick move. I do just fine with women and i never ever touch them if I don't already know them well or have overt consent. If you get consent in the right way it can be a turn on. But if you don't know how to do it then it's a mood killer. The whole numbers game thing is bullshit as far as I'm concerned. Sure if you grab enough women eventually you'll find one that likes it, but along the way you're going to end up touching women who don't like it and I'm not willing to do things to women that don't want. That's why they are into me actually.
[–]TheJoeyJoeJoe -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd like to address the "harassment" accusations by highlighting this paragraph...
I talked about how to build up the physicality in this popular Seddit post. It explains how to escalate at a pace she’s comfortable with - and how to recover from pushing too quickly. Apply this in nightgame and your results will skyrocket.
Thanks for the feedback though
[–]actualMattD 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know you and i don't know what you're about. I just know that I've had a lot of success with women and i don't operate the way you do at all. Sure I'm confident and I'll approach and talk to any woman, no matter how hot. But what they like about me is basically that I'm not at all like you. I'm respectful, I'm verbal, I'm focused on them and their desires. I'm not focused on me and my desires, i don't see women as interchangeable trophies in a man's game, and i would never touch women in the ways you describe unless i was already very friendly with them.
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[–]actualMattD 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Is that one of your pickup lines? After you grab a woman you don't know, do you tell her that the reason she didn't like it is because she's fallen for feminazi bullshit propaganda? Maybe you should try it and see how it goes.
I don't touch women that i don't already know well, or from whom i haven't received overt consent. And i am very successful with women. It's not me that's fallen for bullshit propaganda. The idea that you have to grab women you don't know and generally treat them like trophies in a game is the bullshit propaganda that that's being peddled. And make no mistake, it's being sold to you to make money. Just because it works on some women doesn't mean it's the only or best way to go about it.
I'm just here to tell you that it's possible to treat women with respect and also get laid. If you're not open to that then i can't help you. Some men actually think of women as human beings and would like to learn to "up their game" while also maintaining some respect for themselves as a man by treating women with dignity.
[–]TheXXL 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Is that one of your pickup lines?
Actually I usually say "wanna fuck?"
After you grab a woman you don't know, do you tell her that the reason she didn't like it is because she's fallen for feminazi bullshit propaganda?
Don't get your hopes up honey, I probably would not approach you, so please don't cry if idon't
Maybe you should try it and see how it goes.
Nah.. I don't associate with fascists.
I don't touch women that i don't already know well, or from whom i haven't received overt consent.
Do you use an app for that? I heard feminist men are usually sexual predators.
And i am very successful with women. It's not me that's fallen for bullshit propaganda.
Why do I have my doubts about that....
The idea that you have to grab women you don't know and generally treat them like trophies in a game is the bullshit propaganda that that's being peddled.
You definitely don't have had a lot of women... haha never.
And make no mistake, it's being sold to you to make money.
Wait... I didn't know I had to pay for the fun I had with the women I met... when do they send me the invoice?
Just because it works on some women doesn't mean it's the only or best way to go about it.
Do you have a mirror? yes? Ok. Step in front of the mirror and repeat my words: "I have not understood anything. My personal experience is not the only valid experience. I will therefore stop trying to be the arbiter of all morality, just like a decent human being should act." oh and add: "Being a feminist man will end up me being accuesd of sexual harrassment."
I'm just here to tell you that it's possible to treat women with respect and also get laid.
I wonder where you get the notion that I or anyone here doesn't treat women with respect, and because you say so based on your brainwashed feminazi propaganda doesn't count.
If you're not open to that then i can't help you.
Are you now trying to beg me to ask you for help? I never even cared for your "help", better try that in your local church?
Some men actually think of women as human beings and would like to learn to "up their game" while also maintaining some respect for themselves as a man.
Oh that hurt... now I will change my whole life... just because you are sooooo morally superior. Well, at least that is what you want to hear, and the fact that you are fighting so hard to make it happen, shows me you have never been successful with that endeavour. i am very sorry for you, but this is not the way things work. Come up with good arguments, act respectful to people (the other respeectful where you actually __are__ respectful to people you talk to) and keep your morality bullcrap in your rear end where it belongs.
One last thing, just to trigger you soo hard... : Once I was finger banging a girl while pushing her onto wall in a very crowded club, while having people standing around, and you know what? she so absolutely loved it, that we have been banging a lot in different places even in public during the following months. As you see, the world is not what you try to make it. Live with it.
Why not be forthcoming with women about your views from the start? Talk to them about what you think of feminism and women's equality before you ask them if they wanna fuck.
[–]TheXXL 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh my god... you are not the brightest candle on the cake are you? You would not understand sarcasm if it was a wet pussy in your face... Oh and equality is a whole other topic, let me blow your mind up: Women are not equal to men! booom. They have different body features, different interests, different emotions and a long list of other things, if they were equal, they were men, and the majority of healthy men are very happy that this is not the case. If you are talking about equal rights then tell me which right women don't have in the western world that men have, and I will stand by your side to protest and change that. Btw. rights are defined by country/state-laws and not some bullshit like "i have the right that no one hurts my feelings" No one has that right, not even men.
Sorry did i miss some sarcasm?
[–]TheXXL 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No need to apologize, and yes you did.
[–]SyrusDrake 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They don't make bold moves. They don't grab a woman's hand and drag her to the dance floor They don't throw a woman's arms over their shoulders and grind on her.
Surely there is some middle-ground between Nice Guy and "charged for sexual harassment"?
[–]TheJoeyJoeJoe 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]dwadefan45 44 points45 points46 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry that I don't want a one night stand or a threesome?
Stopped reading after that nonsense
[–]DrSleeper 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Still applies if you’re looking for a girlfriend mostly. Apply things you think work for you and disregard others, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater
[+]dwadefan45 -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you want a girlfriend, then one night stands shouldn't be on your mind.
If you want a girlfriend, you don't want another woman in the equation.
Throw the whole OP away
[–]Yanuka 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's cool and all, but i'm ugly.
And fat.
[–]blx666 62 points63 points64 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then get yourself cleaned up, get to the gym, fix your diet, start losing weight. Work on yourself and get some confidence one way or another. We don’t all look like Captain America or Thor and we don’t have to. But if you’re gonna make excuses for not trying your never gonna get what you want. Less attractive men with confidence get more women than less attractive men who have zero confidence.
[–]WishSomeoneWouldSay 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
a good way to put it is like this: if somebody can visibly tell that you don't take care of yourself very well then they're also going to know that you're not going to take care of them very well
[–]TerrorBollea 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Attractive guys (the guys that have all of these "rules of attraction" mastered) have no say in how less attractive guys should operate. Its not as easy as hopping on a treadmill and eating better, and there's certainly no 'you need to BE confidant' turnaround. Nobody that has been beaten down by years of invisibility to or disrespect from women is going to suddenly have an epiphany and become confident overnight. We all have to get by with our limitations. The truth is that the 6'4 inch guy with the square jaw and good physique will NEVER have trouble with women. The slightly less attractive guy will still have far more opportunities than the average guy. The average guy will struggle for the same scraps as the short chubby guy, and no snake oil/phony confidence programs will change that. You don't just become confident without real life (non-hollow) validation. Average and below just wont get that. Those that do are the exception rather than the rule. Sure, you still need to try if you don't want to die alone, but it's condescending to tell the lower 40% how to turn things around when at worst they've experienced a mid teen awkward phase. We are who we are, we play with the cards we're dealt. We can play smarter to get farther but strategy only gets you so far with a pair of sixes.
[–]K3wp 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone is different. Some girls like this approach, others don't.
[–]DrixlRey 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate the point "if they're not ready for an adventure like this, they'll still respect you for trying." Often I feel like they may dislike the approach, however, if you're respectful about it, it should be okay.
[–]acrazyhaitian 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is an insurmountable level of cringe in this post. I mean .... seriously, I don’t even know where to begin. This post is essentially the rantings of an exceedingly foolish, remarkably malfunctioning, and dare I say uncomfortably insecure “man”. Please understand and believe my assertion that the unfortunate individual(most likely suffers from unresolved childhood issues...) who posted this drivel, operates lamentably from the base levels of male human capability. It may be a bit harsh of me, however it is the truth. The type of woman this nonsensical approach would work on, if you’re honest with yourself, is likely operating @ sub-optimal mental capacity. I’m not completely innocent, and as a former D-1 ball player at a major Uni I’m ashamed to admit that many nights I deployed a more sophisticated/organic variation of this misguided strategy. It may get you laid(not sure doing it his way) a few times, but rest assured it will ultimately leave you feeling empty and unsatisfied. Seek out a woman who will respond to sincere and genuine interaction. Who challenges you in a positive way, and calls forth the best version of yourself. It’s worth it. Peace!
[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hm.
[–]Fatoldhippy 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The women that respond positively to this, probably aren't worth the energy anyway.
[–]wont_give_no_kreddit 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As someone that once met up with a girl for a simple smoke and pancakes date that went in a different direction, yes. Being a little daring pays off but you risk losing a solid fwb (if thats your goal). While i got some action and my world rocket, it was only fun that one time lol
[–]chrispdx 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
None of this matters if you aren't a rule follower, though.
[–]not_really_neutral 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a piano player in a whore house. Thanks for the offer anyway.
[–]MicDrop2017 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here's what he should've say...Don't be afraid to state your opinion. Don't be afraid to 'argue' (not like an ass) with a girl...ie if she goes, "I think Tom Brady is over-rated." You go, "Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback that has ever lived...six possibly seven SuperBowl rings..who do you like?" When she goes "I like Terry Bradshaw." You go, "Bradshaw? The only thing that Bradshaw was good for a cleat stand." Don't insult, but don't back down. What I am saying, is that the nice guy will agree with anything a girl says because he believes that if he agrees her, she will just drop down and suck his cock. Be honest. If you like Brady, say it. If you don't, don't say it. But, don't show fear. That is what she hates the most. Secondly, be honest about sex. If you brings up sex, say that you like it...but don't say "I would love to f-ck the sh-t out of you..." Be playful, but stand your ground. When she says, "I just lost my mom." Don't say, "did you try looking for her?" But, here's the key, always make sure that you read her flirting cues. Great example...I was taking to this beautiful women a couple of weeks ago. She was flashing her stocking-filled legs, and I placed my hand on them for a second to get a reaction. She gave me the ok. But also remember "No" mean "no." Respect her limits.
[–]Thatsenpaicrazy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Literally most of the responses proves exactly the point I was trying to make. It's amazing how easily offended men get when this is brought up and they imeadiately try to attack my character instead provide an intelligent conversation. Continue being a dick in response, IDGAF, but this kind of alpha male mentality is decades old and outdated
[–][deleted] 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, the first draft of this post began with a story of public sex.
I deleted the intro, knowing a lot of Seddit users get upset by that sort of thing.
Should have deleted the bullet point too. Poor editing, on my part.
[–]leoncour84 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hi I tried to pm u but no reply but I love this article
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just another loser who is saying more to believe his own delusions .
No one likes you cuz your idea of fun is winning them. Everyone can see the guy/girl who walks in on a mission to get laid.
Every girl runs from you so your delusions of “the game” build. To make yourself feel better.
You’re just a beta orbiter no matter how much you study this seduction bullshit.
I need to unsubscribe from this pathetic subreddit .
[–]DarthVadarLips27 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I read this and thought how it's a fine line of sexual harassment.
Not an ounce of respect for women. We don't care what society thinks.
We don't want a man leading us.
If we want sex, we'll get it.
We're the panty droppers, you're not.
Please go back to your homework.
[–]TheJoeyJoeJoe 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This response is somewhat poetic. I like it
It's all in your head.
[–]DarthVadarLips27 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, it's all in your guys "little" head.
Who are the guys you are talking about?
[+]Thatsenpaicrazy -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
This is super toxic and not the 80's anymore. My gf and I are in the lifestyle and we go out plenty. Trust me, she does not like it when a dude acts like any of the said above. Shed rather a guy be shy and quiet during a date than rather be a douche and try to treat her like she is a thing instead of a human. So much toxic masculinity in these forums
[–]Smoovemammajamma 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
lol being a leader doesn't mean being a douche
[+]Thatsenpaicrazy -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's your problem. There is no leaders and you're walking a mysoginistic tight rope with that mentality
[–]JacksonCreed4425 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True...though sometimes I have noticed is that often when I’m a dick people are nicer to me and when I’m nice they are usually dicks
Weird
[–]Smoovemammajamma 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are good and evil versions of all things, it is a tightrope, a skill that you develop. Some people find it easy and others find it hard because they lack true critical thinking/ are ignorant of beneficial experience to see things in a different light
[–]lemonman456 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. Everyone loves good leaders. Wouldn’t you like to hang out with a friend that takes you to fun events and controls things so it’s a fun and safe experience? Or a passive shy friend that makes you do all the work? I’d rather be with the friend that gives value.
Being a good leader is very different from being a controlling douchebag. But too be fair, these male spaces tend to conflate the two.
[–]Jaereth 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is no leaders
You outed yourself as having no idea what you are talking about. Yay you and your girl swing. Whenever humans of either sex group up there is ALWAYS leaders and their traits are always viewed as desirable and attractive.
[–]Dumblydorewitit 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Need Gillette for that neckbeard?
[+]Thatsenpaicrazy -13 points-12 points-11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, this "neckbeard" just fucked two women at the same time last night, definitely not from using those douchebag tactics. You guys go ahead and continue using this garbage advice and get no where. IDGAF what you guys call me, I'm still right, lol
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