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Field ReportMrDownhillRacer/r/seduction10/09/21 10:52 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction10/02/19 06:32 AM
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LogisticsMrDownhillRacer/r/seduction31/05/21 01:40 AM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction02/08/18 03:07 AM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction03/08/18 09:34 PM
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ConversationMrDownhillRacer/r/seduction10/07/21 07:05 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction08/08/18 09:14 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction13/10/18 03:00 AM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction13/07/19 06:38 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction11/01/19 09:24 PM
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ConversationMrDownhillRacer/r/seduction05/02/22 09:44 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction07/10/18 09:49 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction27/04/19 02:53 AM
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Outer Game MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction20/03/22 04:56 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction11/09/18 09:26 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction03/04/19 01:01 AM
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Outer Game MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction07/09/24 12:24 AM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction17/04/19 11:47 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction08/03/19 09:26 PM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction05/10/18 09:22 PM
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LifestyleMrDownhillRacer/r/seduction22/02/22 01:30 AM
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MrDownhillRacer/r/seduction26/07/19 04:46 PM
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ConversationMrDownhillRacer/r/seduction03/09/22 04:31 PM
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Some questions are just absolutely the wrong questions to ask. Like, you think that guy who know who gets around ever had to contemplate the sexual ROI of getting a tattoo first? No. Either he got some tattoos because he wanted to, or he didn't get any tattoos because he didn't want to. Like, you're treating tattoos like a piece of video game gear that may or may not increase your chances of a critical strike. At some point, you have to realize that your brain became too terminally online and yo…
/r/seduction10/05/26 01:42 PM
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Even if a minority of guys actually do it, the fact that a few do still translates to women receiving lots of advances. So, do most men approach women in public? No. But does that mean it's rare for a woman to be approached by a man? Also no.
/r/seduction09/05/26 07:24 AM
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I don't waste any time on anybody showing signs of disinterest. I don't want to be the creepy, pushy guy. Stuff like giving one-word answers, body turned away from me like she's looking for the first lull in conversation as an opportunity to escape, telling me she has a boyfriend, etc. etc.… I just say "well, it was nice talking to you. Have a good day," and I walk away. Only times I persist a bit are if she's giving hints that she's just the sort to act cool and standoffish when she's intereste…
/r/seduction01/05/26 11:56 PM
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I'm kinda wondering about the attractiveness of the people involved. Because my anecdotal observation is that with immediate hookups, either the guy has to be really hot for women to put him in the "I want to sleep with him immediately, whether or not I see him as relationship material" pile, or maybe the women themselves are not very hot and have lower standards than the hot ones do. Looks become less important if a woman is putting you on the "perhaps relationship material" bucket, because she…
/r/seduction18/04/26 06:52 PM
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Yeah. It would be a good way for OP to learn how to rizz up autistic women specifically. "Baby, I've dressed up as your Sonic fanfiction OC." Even then, there's no guarantee of that. What people want is fantasy is often different from what they really like, because fantasy has the added safety of not being real. The same woman can swoon at a fictional suitor who is aggressive to the point of being pushy and low-key kinda rapey, but be terrified by a dude acting like that in real life.
/r/seduction04/04/26 02:27 PM
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I think this is a cope people tell themselves out of either envy of hot people or bitterness about having a hard time attaining them. There are hot people who suck and hot people who are interesting and cool. There are ugly people with hearts of gold and ugly people whose insides match their outsides.
/r/seduction30/03/26 12:01 AM
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I mean, it's great. Sex is great, because even though a big part of sex is sexual chemistry and skill, another big part is just raw attractiveness. All other factors being equal, sex with a hot person is more pleasurable than sex with a less hot person. I mean, being with hot people feels good. That's why people want hot people in the first place. It's kind of like how eating delicious food tastes good, so that's why people want delicious food. Yeah, you don't need delicious food to exist, and t…
/r/seduction29/03/26 10:40 PM
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Some dudes have the 'tism, bro. You go "dude, don't overthink it, just trust yourself, you know how to act" and they are like "no, I literally don't. I need instructions. Otherwise, I just talk about Sonic that Hedgehog really fast."
/r/seduction12/03/26 01:58 AM
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When it comes to style, I have a certain style I've developed (kind of inspired by a mix of different rock-music fashions from across decades, like if you took influences from '60s mods and '80s goths and '60s hippies and melded them into one style. I dunno, I enjoy clothing enough that I would be betraying my own sensibilities if I just decided to play it safe and stuck to polos and chinos and boat shoes. I do have a skincare routine, including nightly tretinoin. I have limited options for hair…
/r/seduction05/03/26 03:02 PM
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What if I literally do like the conventionally attractive women that most guys like? Slimthick gym physiques, hourglass figures, developed glutes, perky chests, innie labias, clear skin, flat stomachs… Like, IDK… I like baddies, I guess. That makes things hard, because (1) most men like baddies, so there is more competition for them/they get more attention, and (2) baddies mostly date on their own level, so despite my best efforts to keep myself hot (fitness, style, humour), I am usually not hot…
/r/seduction05/03/26 01:42 PM
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I mean, usually when somebody is doing that, they have a lighter, jocular, "I don't give a shit" tone, not a tone that actually sounds apologetic and self-flagellating. They definitely had a "sorry" or "please make me feel prettier" tone, not a "lol, I'm about to take you to Saskatchewan, because the terrain is flat for miles, baby 👉👉" tone.
/r/seduction27/02/26 07:26 PM
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"Ah, the grand old days. And I do mean grand."
/r/seduction27/02/26 06:50 PM
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The awkward thing is when women you're with criticize their own bodies. Like, before I started only going for women who have gym figures, I dated a lot of women who were slender, but didn't really have any ass. And so many of them would complain about their lack of ass to me right before sex. And like, inside, I was thinking "I mean yeah, there's not much there. Why don't you start lifting? Do some hip thrusts, squats, cable kickbacks, hip-abductions, back extensions… progressively overload, sta…
/r/seduction27/02/26 06:49 PM
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Maybe you're just true to your standards. Since it's harder for men to get laid than it is for women, a lot of guys kind of carry that attitude that any sex, any relationship, is better than nothing at all. And then they try to force themselves to see whomever they end up with as attractive. A lot of guys are so desperate for sex that they give up on their standards and have sex with anyone who will give them the time of day. I mean, there are also men who genuinely have no problem with obesity …
/r/seduction27/02/26 06:35 PM
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everyone had banged at least one on their life lol I haven't. But I think it's because I'd rather not get laid that just shrug my shoulders and have sex with somebody I'm not attracted to at all. So, even if I'm not some player constantly getting laid, everyone I've been with has at least been decent to look at.
/r/seduction27/02/26 06:30 PM
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What changed Part of it is, you know, the concept of human rights and social liberties. It's not like women were choosing whom they married in the past. Their parents said, "I'll give you my daughter's hand in marriage for six goats and that plot of land over there" and the other guy said "five goats and it's a deal; that is not a six-goat woman." Part of it is that marriages weren't even about romantic love in the first place back then. They were economic and social arrangements. "We'll marry t…
/r/seduction05/02/26 04:22 PM
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Is that thing street-legal?
/r/seduction23/01/26 06:11 PM
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I once approached a girl and had her try to rope me into an MLM scheme instead. I was thinking, "hmm, touché. We're both selling shit the other person doesn't want." To many women, I'm probably the MLM chick.
/r/seduction19/01/26 06:22 PM
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Are you Indian?
/r/seduction11/01/26 07:51 PM
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Guys, it's my first week having conversations. Why is everybody asking me "how are you?" Is this code for something? Are they flirting?
/r/seduction08/01/26 01:58 AM
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In a club?
/r/seduction08/12/25 04:52 PM
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I think it depends. Let's say you're the kind of person who has a negative mindset, and that negative mindset causes you to avoid even trying, to say bitter things, to react in a mopey way to rejection, etc. etc., then yeah, it's absolutely going to affect your dating life. Let's say you're just as internally miserable as in the first case, but you exert the self control to try anyway and to put your best foot forward and to respond to things gracefully instead of trauma dumping or trying to ext…
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:30 PM
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You ask this like there's a definitive ranking of all hairstyles instead of different hairstyles suiting different people and there being plenty of equally nice hairstyles to choose from. Like hairstyles are video game gear and you're trying to find the one with the best stats that you get when you 100% the game.
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:15 AM
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Okay, I'm speaking out of my ass/personal impressions rather than any empirical study, so take this (and all the other comments, even if they use evo-psych-sounding justifications) with a grain of salt, but: I think everyone's preferences are influenced by what they see others valuing. People see other people desire something and they subconsciously go "well, it must be desirable if it is so desired," and then they start desiring it, too. But when it comes to dating specifically, I feel like wom…
/r/seduction05/12/25 07:37 PM
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There's a difference between an avid gym-goer who is in shape and a literal professional athlete.
/r/seduction13/10/25 05:10 PM
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Thing is, I never know how to transition to "that initial nice conversation we had when I introduced myself and asked some getting-to-know-you questions" to the conversations actually getting more meaningful over time. After that initial conversation, it just turns to me smiling and waving or saying "hi" each subsequent time I see the woman. I think part of the problem is that I don't want her to be thinking "omg, I talked to this guy ONCE and now I can't shake him; now I'm stuck getting in a po…
/r/seduction13/10/25 05:07 PM
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From how I understood OP's post, he didn't reject her because he doesn't actually want her. He did it as some strategic maneuver to make her think about him more. If he didn't want her, he wouldn't be making a post about her and wouldn't care whether she wants him back. It's like, people often want what they can't have. They see something that is scarce as valuable. Why are diamonds more precious than water? Water gives us life. You can't live without it. Diamonds just look kinda nice. But water…
/r/seduction21/08/25 11:59 PM
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On the one hand, yeah, I'd think guys who a woman can be comfortable with because he isn't judgemental, sexist, or rigid, would do better. On the other hand… I've noticed zero correlation between how sexually liberal a guy is and how much pussy he gets. I've seen women who profess feminist politics who are still with frat boys who say all sorts of slut-shaming and judgemental things. I've known polite, sex-positive male feminists who can't get laid. I've also known male feminists who do get laid…
/r/seduction21/08/25 12:57 AM
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Unmedicated bipolar II manic episodes with delusional symptoms
/r/seduction14/08/25 06:54 AM
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I see the "stop impressing, start connecting" advice a lot, and it sounds great in theory. But here's what I find in practice: People, especially people with a lot of options, need a reason to even care about connecting with you. Connection is a two-way street. I can go up to people and show curiosity about their passions and interests, share things about myself, try to find common experiences… but I can only do that if they actually make the choice to open up. If they don't, nothing I say will …
/r/seduction08/08/25 03:23 AM
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I need to work on this. I'm an over-explainer. Comes from having really angry parents that would blow up at the slightest thing, and so I needed to explain and justify myself in advance so they wouldn't misinterpret me and blow up at something I didn't even to. They shot first, asked questions… never. And so, I'm always trying to make sure people understand exactly where I'm coming from. Like I'm doing right now: explaining the origin story of how I got like this.
/r/seduction06/08/25 06:34 AM
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I looked at your photo, and you are not cooked, bro. Are you Adonis incarnate? No. Are you ugly? No. Somebody in your looksmaxxing post told you to get buccal fat surgically removed. You do not need to do that. You have chipmunk cheeks, but they are not a dealbreaker for most women (Kanye West has chipmunk cheeks; he may be an unmedicated bipolar Nazi, but nobody is going to call him physically ugly). Nobody's going to go "oh no, he has full cheeks! How horrid!" It's fine. You look fine. Do some…
/r/seduction06/08/25 06:19 AM
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One time some chick at a club was like "come talk to my friend, she loves black guys," and I found that a gross thing to say. Like, okay, people have preferences, sure. I can't be mad at the person for liking what she likes. But why did it have to be expressed like that? That just makes me feel like I'm fungible, interchangeable with any other black guy. Like I'm just a member of an ethnicity. Somebody could just say "you're cute" instead of "black guys are cute, and you're a black guy, so you'l…
/r/seduction04/08/25 08:24 PM
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I do wonder—how far can we stretch the meaning of a word before it stops meaning what it was supposed to? We say 'be authentic,' but then qualify it with things like 'within social context' or 'in a calibrated way.' At some point, isn’t that just… not actual authenticity anymore? It seems we're touting "authenticity" as a virtue, and then layering it with so many conditions until it becomes indistinguishable from "strategic self-presentation." If we're consciously adjusting how we present oursel…
/r/seduction04/08/25 05:09 AM
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authenticity meaning, say what you actually want to say. thats really it. you cant really lose when you’re already you, so everything’s up for grabs. Doesn't authenticity contradict what is socially acceptable and appropriate much of the time? If I were being 100% authentic and honest any time I approached a woman, I'd say "I don't know anything about your personality, but my only requirements for your personality are that you aren't a Nazi, a psychopath, or especially mean. I'm approaching you …
/r/seduction04/08/25 04:40 AM
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I've not seen any correlation between political affiliation and dating success. It's more about dating pools. Most people are going to date people with similar values. Leftist men will date leftist women. Right-wing men date right-wing women. Yeah, people do date across political lines, but I don't think those tend to work long-term. If it's a hot hookup that won't turn into anything, you probably care less how they voted, though. I think the idea might be "left-wing men are more likely to be pr…
/r/seduction28/07/25 07:40 PM
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But even if you go in pretending you have a different reason to approach… at some point, you are going to have to make the reason clear. Like, if you go up to somebody saying "hey, I need directions to Starbucks" and they're like "oh, it's over there"… well, now you either have to say "thanks" and go away, or you have to make it obvious you never needed the directions to Starbucks by still standing in front of her and going "those are nice shoes. What's your name?" And at that point, it becomes …
/r/seduction25/07/25 09:21 PM
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As somebody who hates all the AI-generated crap on the internet, I actually don't mind if somebody uses it to just rephrase their own thoughts. That's fine. It's the people who say "make some shit for me I'm not even gonna read myself" and expect us to read it and find it interesting that I hate. It's always generic pablum. It's not capable of making anything interesting or insightful on its own. You can always tell the difference between rephrased human ideas and pure AI-generated vague nonsens…
/r/seduction25/07/25 04:35 AM
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This is why we need sex education. The same curriculum that some people want parents to be able to pull their kids out of at school. Anyway, no, the fact that a woman can accommodate two of your fingers is not proof that she's had sex before.
/r/seduction17/07/25 04:57 AM
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Bros, how do I stop my gf from turning gay again?
/r/seduction16/07/25 01:29 AM
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I mean… doesn't that mean there's even less reason to think her fashion sense is an intentional ploy to mess with you? Even if this one turns out to be gay, too (unlikely that it would happen to you twice)… that still means her fashion choices have nothing to do with trying to psych you out.
/r/seduction15/07/25 07:52 PM
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Nothing is more awkward than going "omg, I'm so awkward, sorry!" Just, like, talk to him as if you were never awkward.
/r/seduction15/07/25 12:57 AM
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Idk. People talk as though "being funny" is some silver bullet to being attractive as a guy, but there have been plenty of times where I'm spitting out zingers and making women genuinely laugh and think I'm a riot, but it's done nothing to make them more into me. And then maybe some hot, cool, serious guy takes them home. Gilbert Gottfried also said that being a comedian never got him laid. I think it's like, you can be as clever as you want, but it's not a replacement for all the other things a…
/r/seduction12/07/25 04:18 AM
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Several possibilities She's just being nice and friendly, but you're misinterpreting it as flirtation. She's polyamorous She's monogamous, but she and her boyfriend have agreed that they are okay with each other flirting with other people so long as it doesn't lead to anything She's the kind of person who doesn't leave a relationship until she's secured another one, and is testing the waters (monkeybranching) She intends to cheat, but is mentioning her bf for plausible deniability. She feels les…
/r/seduction09/07/25 05:20 AM
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Every time I've used it, my approach has been worse than if I give myself time to think. The urgency of it makes me come off as hurried and frantic rather than relaxed, and gives me a needier energy. This is one piece of advice that, personally, has never worked for me.
/r/seduction19/06/25 06:55 PM
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I know the typical answer is supposed to be the "you should have the abundance mindset instead of putting any one woman on a pedestal, you can get 10 more women like her, go out there and slay, king," but honestly, sounds like you hit the jackpot. I'd commit. I think the fear is that "if I become too available and doting and simpy, she'll lose attraction to me." But that's the thing. You can commit to somebody without becoming a boring doormat. You just have to keep up the excitement and confide…
/r/seduction19/06/25 06:52 PM
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I think I've only ever dated one woman that I felt that kind of strong, deep, emotional "click" with. Like, I just "got" her and she seemed to get me. But no matter how much you "click," that isn't the only ingredient necessary to make something work, so I fumbled her anyway since I was still really awkward and had no idea how to date back then. I don't feel that sort of thing often. I haven't even really had a "crush" on anyone since grade school. But I also think that this kind of strong initi…
/r/seduction13/06/25 06:48 PM
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The biggest factor in whether your partner will cheat on you is whether they are the sort of person who cheats on people. Your question makes it sound like all people cheat by default, and you have to use some special Jedi mind tricks to prevent them from doing that, lol. That's not how it works.
/r/seduction13/06/25 04:59 AM
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Nah, fam. I suppressed them after "spaceship" and you're gonna need to bring a therapist to draw them outta me 💀
/r/seduction08/06/25 03:22 AM
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This isn't a commentary on the ethics of this. This is corny either way.
/r/seduction08/06/25 03:17 AM
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I've met attractive women with interesting personalities. And even for the ones who don't have interesting personalities… so what? If you are already going into it looking into something just casual, why is it some disturbing revelation if the person you're having sex with doesn't have the personality of somebody you'd want to have as a girlfriend? This "they're really not all they're cracked up to be!" thing always just seems like a huge cope to me. It's like going "ice cream is crap anyway… em…
/r/seduction01/06/25 12:03 AM
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Bro doesn't realize that people's entire personalities aren't defined by their genders, lol. There are men who are not into fishing and women who are not into Taylor Swift. Sometimes I think I'm socially retarded, and then I visit here and feel better about myself.
/r/seduction26/05/25 05:26 AM
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Most likely, haha
/r/seduction23/05/25 03:50 AM
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That's a "common question?" I don't know if a woman has ever asked me if all men cheat. It's impossible to tell from the information you've given what her tone and vibe was when she asked this. What she asking playfully, insinuating that she thinks you're charming enough to be a "player" and facetiously implying she'd have to worry about you cheating on her if you got together? Is she asking seriously, because she's been hurt in prior experiences with men and is genuinely asking your opinion as …
/r/seduction23/05/25 03:47 AM
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Yeah, I think that's best. You can say a funny joke if you think of one, but don't get hung up on trying to entertain or convince her. Texting after getting the number from cold approach is for logistics. I still struggle with balancing trying to "lead" and matching her energy, though. On the one hand, matching the other person's energy is kinda like "falling into their frame" instead of leading. On the other hand, trying to push the interaction in a certain direction when they're not giving you…
/r/seduction22/05/25 07:00 PM
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It reads too much like you're intent on running some "routine" regardless of what she even says. Like, "oh, I'll do a cold read and a tease about coffee, that'll keep her intrigued!" while she's not giving you any energy or investment whatsoever. "Uh yeah, it was okay." "So tell me, you seem like a matcha girl." "Yeah, I guess." "Haha, knew it! I can totally imagine you blah blah blah…" I personally think there's no such thing as "text game," and no magic bullshit you can say to win somebody ove…
/r/seduction22/05/25 01:15 AM
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Something I've noticed with a lot of women: On the one hand, they say "gosh, I hate it how guys always assume I'm into them just because I'm being friendly. Being polite doesn't mean I want to date you?" But if I ask them, "what do you do when you're into a guy? How do you initiate?", the answer is very rarely "I ask them out for coffee." The answer is usually, "well, I be really nice to him, ask him questions, give him hints so that he asks me out." So… the same hints that they give when they l…
/r/seduction21/05/25 03:31 AM
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I hate using that term because it sounds so resentful and derogatory. But if we're just talking about the phenomena of how much harder men have to work today to get a date… yeah, that's true. Women have always been more selective than men, but before online dating, people were still limited to their social circles for dates. Friends of friends, coworkers, etc. Meant dudes had more of a chance. But with online dating, we all have access to all the people in our area, and can attempt to match with…
/r/seduction21/05/25 03:15 AM
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Person is freaked out to realize that humans without much social anxiety exist Even though he's one of them Lol. Obviously, a lot of causal factors go into how socially comfortable a person grows up to be, but I think a big one is parenting. If you have parents who are critical of your every move and harshly judge or punish you for mistakes, you're more likely to grow up to be an anxious person who is constantly worried about how you come across to others. If you have parents who signal to you t…
/r/seduction09/05/25 03:50 AM
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This hasn't been my experience. I notice that people tend to hang out with people at a similar attractiveness level. I am not attracted to any of my female friends. When I've met friends through them… they've just been more women I wasn't attracted to. Fine for making new friends (they're all interesting, wonderful people), but does nothing for me dating-wise. When I go out, all the hot girls are in a group and know each other. And then you see groups of average-looking women. Hell, it's not gen…
/r/seduction08/05/25 11:41 PM
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Yeah. Especially because we didn't mention door #3: Neither fun sexual escapades nor deep connection with a person you are emotionally and sexually compatible with, but settling for somebody who was attainable because, even though you weren't that attracted to her, she laughed at your jokes and gave you the time of day and you like that you like the same movies, I guess, and you just kinda both fell into it, never feeling absolutely crazy about each other, but being comfortable enough to not fee…
/r/seduction06/05/25 08:23 PM
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If you're a dude under 25, probably looks (though if you don't have that, you can still make status work for you) If you're a dude over 25, probably status (at some point, women get tired of dating bums, no matter how "hot" they are) But I think even if you go for status, you still need to pair it with being interesting in some way. There are tons of rich guys who are boring af who either still can't get laid, or have to enter into purely transactional relationships where a woman who gives zero …
/r/seduction30/04/25 03:26 PM
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BAD idea if you bring home freaky goth vampire chicks
/r/seduction29/04/25 06:30 PM
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I especially liked one area full of wild garlic, it was like a fragrant bed that combined with her own scent drove me wild Bro, that was my garlic field. I grew that shit to put on my kebab and khoresh. How could you? 😭
/r/seduction29/04/25 06:29 PM
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Ask about feelings and experiences instead of brute facts. Like, say you ask her 'what do you do?' She says "I'm a dental hygienist." Your first instinct is probably to ask her a purely factual follow-up question, like "oh, how long have you been doing that for?" Instead, ask something like "what's the toughest part of the job?" I mean, even that sounds like a "job interview question," but it's a start. It wouldn't help you at all if I thought up some super clever thing and told you "yeah, just …
/r/seduction29/04/25 08:40 AM
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Sure, I'd be open to hearing it. Yeah, a lot of advice does conflict, but none of this is a science. It's people throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks, so I as well try whatever works for you to see if I get any mileage out of it.
/r/seduction27/04/25 08:55 PM
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Neither?
/r/seduction25/04/25 04:43 AM
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I mean, I don't reapproach the same girl if she wasn't interested. Most of the time, I do bail right a away if it's clear she's not interested. But other times, I'm like can I really say I'm "putting the reps in" if I bail every set at the first sign of disinterest instead of toughing it out and seeing if I can turn things around? Because just as often as we're told "bro, you need to stop trying really hard with one person," we're also told "bro, you need to stop bailing early and rejecting your…
/r/seduction25/04/25 01:55 AM
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How do you avoid either being the "dancing monkey" trying to think of "interesting, funny" things to say to the person to get them to bite and finally contribute more? And how do you avoid feeling like you're pulling teeth when they're refusing to hold their end up (even when you are asking them follow-up questions and making statements instead of asking questions on new topics)? That alone seems to be a losing battle, because it tends to signal to the other person that I'm more invested than th…
/r/seduction24/04/25 04:30 PM
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Maybe you put more effort in when you're trying to catch somebody's attention. Some people only put effort into how they live when they’re trying to impress someone. I don’t get that. I try to live like someone worth being with all the time. I don’t even go buy groceries looking sloppy—because if I run into someone interesting, I’d rather not be in pajamas. A former roommate of mine only learned to cook because a girl he liked was into it. Same with cleaning up—he’d only mow the lawn if a date w…
/r/seduction24/04/25 04:17 PM
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I also have this problem, because I've never really learned how to ask for things I want in bed. I dunno, I just feel like if I ask for something, that will make the woman feel pressured to do it, and she might comply out of a feeling of obligation rather than genuine enthusiasm, and I'll feel like a jerk. So, I just default to not asking for anything, which usually results in me not getting it. I think I've kind of assumed that women will be reciprocal and be interested in doing for me what I d…
/r/seduction23/04/25 12:58 AM
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The way I see it, old-school PUA "negging" and flirtatious "teasing" are two entirely different things. Negging is dumb and bad, but teasing is fun and good. I think the fact that they get conflated is what causes us to talk at cross-purposes when the subjects come up. Negging, by the admission of guys like "Mystery" and his ilk, is about lowering a woman's self-esteem so that she no longer sees herself as above your league and acquiesces to sex with you. That's scummy and manipulative and cruel…
/r/seduction22/04/25 06:13 PM
1

Look at where we are. I don't think anybody who consistently gets "results" visits a sub like this. We're a bunch of clueless dudes fumbling around in the dark.
/r/seduction22/04/25 05:51 PM
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My problem is that I never know when it's okay to finally start complimenting a woman's appearance. I could be already sleeping with and seeing somebody for a year, while still never saying "omg you're gorgeous" because I'm thinking she's gonna be annoyed I said something that focuses on her looks or I'll look like every other dude and she'll get bored of me. Intellectually, I know "people, including hot people, value compliments on their looks from people they are seeing." But in practice, I'm …
/r/seduction22/04/25 05:49 PM
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What if neither is looking for commitment? She likes playing the field and makes herself pretty in order to get noticed by the hottest guys, he likes playing the field and working on game to get himself noticed by the hottest women… if they bone, sounds like they both win, even if they move on from each other afterward. A beautiful thing, really.
/r/seduction22/04/25 05:43 PM
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I've heard the phrase "tell a smart girl she's pretty and a pretty girl she's smart." Makes sense: value is often tied to scarcity. People don't value additional units of shit they already have in high supply (for pretty girls, compliments on their looks from random dudes), but they do value something unique that they don't see every day (people noticing their intelligence, ambition, skill, etc). I think the complication here, though, is that pretty girls probably also get told they're smart all…
/r/seduction22/04/25 05:38 PM
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…so? If all I want is high fives from other dudes, I can get that through so many other avenues. Like learning cool skateboard tricks or having a nice car or whatever.
/r/seduction17/04/25 05:57 AM
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Yeah, but I don't think this necessarily means they're more confident. It's not that the more attractive women are too scared to approach. It's that they rarely have a reason to. It's like how you see Cutco Knives standing outside trying to get people to work for them, but you don't see Google doing that. It's not that Google has less confidence than this door-to-door knife-selling company. It's that Google gets so many applications that they don't need to send people to stand on a street corner…
/r/seduction17/04/25 03:02 AM
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The average ones approach more because they have to. The same way that men approach more because we have to. The less attractive a woman is, the more she kind of has to date like many men have to date. Taking things into her own hands instead of waiting to be chosen, shooting her shot, learning to be funny, etc.
/r/seduction17/04/25 02:53 AM
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In theory In what theory? Seriously, what is the theory that makes any kind of reliable predictions on the differences in consequences of being seen with a "6/10" and a "7/10?" Who has verified the data against these predictions, or even standardized the rating system enough to properly run tests in the first place? I get using ratings as shorthand, but any kind of claim this precise and granular just seems like it must have been pulled out of somebody's ass. There is a difference between going …
/r/seduction17/04/25 02:49 AM
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Yeah, I have wondered how much of this is location. If one lives in an area where most people are overweight, than the non-overweight ones are going to be in very high demand. As far as I know, Alberta isn't especially known for being any fatter than any other Canadian province, but North America in general is mostly kinda cooked in that regard. I've heard Colorado is a pretty fit state. Would make sense if Arizona were, too. I don't think I'm very interested in moving to the U.S. given, well, e…
/r/seduction16/04/25 02:25 AM
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Waiting outside for a girl to come out of a venue just feels… off. Like I'm lurking. People pick up on that energy—standing around, fake-texting, glancing up like some creeper NPC. It gives “predator in standby mode,” even if the vibe is innocent. Same thing with dudes who won’t approach a girl in a group but wait until she’s alone—thinking it’s smoother, but it actually looks sketchier. Best-case scenario, he'll seem timid. Worst-case? Unsub from Serial Killer Monthly. I'd rather risk a public …
/r/seduction15/04/25 11:56 PM
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God, I know what you mean. I have dated fit girls, but they are hard enough to get that that there are long gaps between them. It's like, everyone is telling the truth when they say working on your fitness as a dude increases the interest you receive, but they neglect to mention that it increases interest from women who don't themselves workout, and the ones who are fit are still pretty hard to get. But, like, if you work on your fitness, you're probably not putting all that effort in just to se…
/r/seduction15/04/25 11:44 PM
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#1 Who is even looking over your shoulder at your phone in the first place? #2 Doesn't this fall apart if you take them home and you live in a normal apartment? #3 Wouldn't you be attracting the absolute worst people you don't want in your life, anyway?
/r/seduction09/04/25 11:08 PM
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When you say "following girls," do you mean "following people you've actually met and talked to," or "following content-creator pages of women advertising OFs because they're hot?" I can't imagine anyone taking issue with the former (just means you have a lot of friends and/or acquaintances). The latter, though… women look at that differently from how dudes do.
/r/seduction09/04/25 02:04 PM
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I do think I can because I have dated them. But from the evidence I have, I can't date them reliably. Like, yeah, if I ask out enough really attractive women, some of them will go out with me… but that proportion is a lot lower than if I were a really physically attractive guy. The proportion is also a lot lower than if I, say, lowered my standards and went for "accessible" people. But, well, I like what I like, and I don't want to be in a relationship where I've "settled" and am always thinking…
/r/seduction03/04/25 04:50 PM
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I don't know what the answer is for you, but for me, I'm starting to think that the answer has something to do with prior trauma. I think if you just have general or social anxiety, then exposure tends to be enough to lessen it over time. But for me, I think years of practicing "putting myself out there" and approaching people never made the anxiety go away, because each rejection was just, like, retraumatizing myself and kicking myself in the same place in the balls over and over again. The onl…
/r/seduction01/04/25 12:51 AM
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Ah. Then do whatever instead of banking on running into her. I'd say, don't overthink the message, because in my experience there is zero point in trying to craft the "right" message. I've tried all sorts of ways of messaging people and haven't found any way works better than any other way, so I think it comes down more to "if she's interested in what she sees, she doesn't give much of a fuck what your opening message says, and if she isn't interested in what she sees, the message still won't ch…
/r/seduction30/03/25 10:21 PM
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Do you go to the same school as her? I've not had a lot of luck opening people on social media. I think I've maybe ever seen two people in person that I met on Instagram? No matter what approach I try (trying to be "funny and interesting," not trying and just doing basic conversation), getting anywhere is like pulling teeth. If you go to the same campus as her, I'd recommend just chatting with her IRL the next time you encounter her in person.
/r/seduction30/03/25 09:04 PM
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"You know that if we have a real relationship, I stop paying you, right?" "Oh ok, nvm."
/r/seduction30/03/25 08:58 PM
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The issue I have with "act according to your values" is that in many situations, values don’t actually provide guidance. Say your values are justice, fairness, knowledge, and self-improvement. Then you're in a store trying to choose between a green jacket and a maroon one. Your values are completely neutral here—neither option is more just or fair or whatever. It's purely a matter of preference, and if you genuinely like both jackets equally and only have the budget to buy one, you have a genuin…
/r/seduction30/03/25 03:21 PM
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I didn't say not responding to the rejection text would constitute ghosting. I said I appreciate that the woman sent a proper rejection text instead of ghosting, and so I want to send a respectful response to that in order to promote that kind of behaviour so that they don't ghost the next guy. In my responses to rejection texts, I don't ask them if they want to hang out again.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:26 PM
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I like responding, because some people just ghost, and I like showing appreciation for not being ghosted. I figure, "women probably ghost because they expect an uncomfortable experience if they decide to be straight up. So, by responding in a respectful manner, perhaps I'm reducing the likelihood of people getting ghosted in the future." In my responses, I don't ask the person to reconsider. I don't even ask "what didn't work for you?", because I know that's an uncomfortable question to answer, …
/r/seduction29/03/25 09:13 PM
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Angle pics, no visible clavicle… yeah, it's rarely hard to spot. Especially if you have them on Instagram and can see the posts they've taken of themselves compared to the posts they're "tagged in." But I wonder if she even took deceptive photos in the first place. I have heard from many women that they will literally warn guys they are fat in their profiles, take photos meant to depict their true size, and still get accused of catfishing from unperceptive men who swipe right on everything, don'…
/r/seduction26/03/25 06:12 PM
1

I think the other person was agreeing with your point, not arguing against it.
/r/seduction26/03/25 06:07 PM
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The reason she is telling you she has a belly isn't some weird psychological power move, bro. She's telling you so that when you meet, you don't go "omg you tricked me, I didn't know you were fat." She has likely been insulted or ghosted by previous dates for her weight, and wants to make sure guys know what they're dealing with so she doesn't have to waste time and energy showing up just to get accused of catfishing or treated like garbage. can i ask her to just show me? That would be weird.
/r/seduction26/03/25 05:01 PM
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I feel like this kind of advice is mostly aimed at literal NEETs—guys with no hobbies, goals, or interests—who spend their days fantasizing about anime girls becoming their girlfriends. And sure, a lot of guys online are like that. But if you’re a relatively normal person, you read advice like “bro, pursue meaningful projects instead of just playing video games” and think, “uh, yeah—I have hobbies, a career or schooling, and I already wear pants that fit, thanks…” It feels like 90% of the advice…
/r/seduction23/03/25 11:57 PM
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Different people respond to the same things in different ways. I've found that some women, if they like me, try to make things easy for me by making themselves more available to me, going out of their ways to talk to me and laugh at my stupid jokes, etc. etc. And then there are some that seem to not want to come across as "too eager" and will act disinterested. I've noticed this is especially common with Eastern European women, who seem less forward and more aloof. The thing that lets me know th…
/r/seduction10/03/25 09:46 AM
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I like this one.
/r/seduction09/03/25 07:00 PM
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The last guy I liked ghosted me because I was insecure. I’m glad he ghosted me because he wasn’t a good person. But it did happen. I don't know your situation, but if you allow me to speculate… I don't think it would so much be that insecurity is what caused him to lose interest, rather than insecurity because what caused him to choose ghosting over a respectful method of breaking things off. Bad people treat others poorly when they feel like they can get away with it. If somebody shows insecuri…
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:25 PM
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I'm gonna be honest, but as a guy… I don't see any amount of confidence or charisma working to make me attracted to a woman I'm not already attracted to. It might make me think she's cool and want to be her friend, but if I don't find her attractive, her demeanour won't change that. That doesn't mean I don't care about personality. It just means it's not a sufficient condition. And even then, what I'm looking for in personality is different from what "game" teaches. I don't care if a woman is sh…
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:14 PM
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Nah, somebody who read that book would go "oh, so they're telling me that knowing how to talk to people matters more than cars or muscles?" I'm not defending the book as sophisticated and insightful. I'm just saying, even a guy in a fucking top hat and vest would sit OP down and tell him his question is ridiculous.
/r/seduction26/02/25 06:13 AM
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So many guys think it's the fact that the other guys are assholes that does the trick, but it's not really about that. I think this is it. It's not that women "like assholes and don't like nice guys." It's that they like confident guys, and a lot assholes happen to exude confidence. But they like confident nice guys, too. In fact, I think they like confident nice guys more than they like confident assholes, because niceness is, well, nice. Also, I think women who are themselves confident are goi…
/r/seduction24/02/25 05:26 AM
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It may not necessarily be traits the ex had, but also experiences and memories that the two had together. It's usually the stuff that happens over the course of a relationship that builds a bond. The attraction is the spark to get there. And some people look at the past with rose-tinted glasses, only remembering the highs but forgetting the lows and the reasons for why the breakup happened. They go back together because it's comfortable, it's familiar, and the good parts were good. But almost ev…
/r/seduction13/02/25 10:24 PM
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If you focus attention to the most miserable people on the internet, yeah, you're going to think people are miserable. Happy people don't post shit like that. Even genuine hermits who are comfortable with themselves don't post shit like that. They just close their DMs to strangers.
/r/seduction13/02/25 06:37 AM
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It's not that this kind of person legitimately thinks that there are many people out there who would be willing to spend $10,000 to talk to her. It's that she thinks that if the acts like how she thinks the kind of person whom a guy would spend $10,000 to talk to acts, people will think she is that kind of person. You know how you're always reading advice on here to "fake it 'till you make it" and act kinda cocky or like you're hot shit? Guess what, men aren't the only people in the world who tr…
/r/seduction13/02/25 06:33 AM
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Do people on this sub think that having a witty comeback to somebody not being attracted to them will make that person suddenly wet, or… "I love you as a friend." [Reads off palm] "I know you are, but what am I?" "*swoon* RAVAGE ME*
/r/seduction12/02/25 03:39 PM
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Whether I interpret this as sarcastic or totally sincere, it still reads weirdly.
/r/seduction08/02/25 05:57 PM
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Even though "doing things to make other people happy rather than for myself" is a noble goal, I don't really know if it translates that well into meeting people in practice. Say I'm approaching people not to "get anything," but to "brighten up their days." I think this would carry the kinda presumptuous premise that these people's days need brightening up, that I'm the person to brighten it up, that talking to me is so great and amazing that of course these people will all be better off for havi…
/r/seduction06/02/25 08:14 PM
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I don't think very many people ever say, "yeah, my ex was totally cool; it was me that fucked the relationship up, tbh." At best, it will be "we're both okay people; we just weren't compatible." But most are going to give you the laundry list of their ex's mistakes while not talking much about anything they themselves did wrong. This isn't a gendered thing, either. It's not "women." It's people. The only people I've met who own up to their own shit with respect to past relationships are people w…
/r/seduction06/02/25 07:56 PM
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Idk, my gyms are probably a 50/50 gender split. Maybe try yoga? But I don't see what the gender balance of a particular room matters. It's not like a yoga studio is some closed ecosystem cut off from the rest of society. Just because you're the only guy there doesn't mean you'll have more of an advantage than anywhere else, because those women know and can meet men outside the studio. If you can pick people up at the yoga studio, then you can already do it at the gym or anywhere else you enjoy b…
/r/seduction30/01/25 12:37 AM
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And also, to add onto this, I think that how one shows interest is going to be different depending on whether they are in the initial courting stages or in an official relationship. At the beginning when you're building interest, yeah, it makes sense to be a bit more "gamey," making the other person qualify themselves, using push-pull, teasing, etc. When you're already in a relationship, you should probably have enough comfort and trust with your partner to just be able to give them an unqualifi…
/r/seduction27/01/25 04:42 AM
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When a woman is single, she's usually scared to show any interest to a man... I think that's often why they use compliments when they're interested in a guy. They are usually too afraid to straight-up ask you out or say they're interested in you, so their strategy is usually to just compliment you and smile at you until you get the hint and ask them out. Like, they won't make the first move, so they just try to telepathically signal you to make it. Although it's kinda funny; women often talk abo…
/r/seduction27/01/25 04:36 AM
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Yes, it's okay to compliment the man you're literally in a relationship with. He will appreciate it and won't think you're "desperate." This is a stupid question, but I'm not going to single out "women" for asking it. Many questions posed by men on this very sub feature the exact same amount of insecure cynicism about whether it's okay to show genuine appreciation for a partner or whether they constantly need to play some calculated "game" of "not seeming to interested/giving away too much power…
/r/seduction27/01/25 04:23 AM
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For me, getting to know somebody well enough to know if you want to see them more is what the first date is for. I don't see a first date as something serious enough that I have to be certain I'll absolutely dig the other person before I go in. I just have to think there is a reasonable chance I'll dig the other person. It's supposed to be exploratory and about discovery. But I get that the calculus is different for women than it is for men. Especially for hot women. With the number of date oppo…
/r/seduction25/01/25 09:43 PM
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It does boggle my mind how somebody can be comfortable enough with you to have you literally inside of them multiple times, but not comfortable enough with you to have an uncomfortable talk and break up with you properly instead of just ghosting. Like, yeah, I get that nobody finds having to break up with somebody pleasant to do, but it seems really selfish of them to just shield themselves from the discomfort at the cost of heaping the additional pain of confusion and lack of closure on the oth…
/r/seduction24/01/25 04:13 AM
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I think it can both be true that something matters, but also be true that there's no use devoting too much time and energy thinking about it. Yeah, studies show that people have racial dating preferences. Yeah, studies show that not all races are equally preferred, and that some groups have a harder time than others. Particularly, east Asian men, south Asian men, and black women. But you can't change your race, so what's the point of thinking too much about it? It's not like the people from the …
/r/seduction24/01/25 01:28 AM
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I find them harder to talk to. It's usually nerdy but kinda sheltered academic girls that are immediately interested in me. I like talking about ideas, and they like talking about ideas, too. So, even if I'm not trying to flirt, just talking about topics I find fascinating draws them to me. But the problem is that I usually don't find them physically attractive (if only most nerds were hot like the TV ones). But when it comes to kinda basic girls, they are definitely not turned on by, like, a co…
/r/seduction24/01/25 01:11 AM
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I do wonder if it's even worth it for anybody that autistic to try to "learn game." Some mental conditions, like anxiety disorders, are pretty amenable to managing through things like CBT. But autism is different from having some anxious behaviours. An anxious person can learn strategies to not let their anxiety show (or to even reduce their anxiety), but it's very, very difficult for an autistic person to just "act neurotypical." And when they're forced to try, it can be so uncomfortable and un…
/r/seduction22/01/25 09:56 PM
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Pretty much anything on the two extremes: Extreme 1: incredibly vague, inactionable advice that doesn't actually help anybody know how to achieve it. Like, "bro, don't overthink it, you don't need any strategies or tips, just vibe and be fun to be around!" Oh wow, you're telling me I should be fun to be around? I had no fucking clue! I thought I was supposed to be boring or annoying. Great, I'm gonna start being fun now! It's not like people need any more specific advice on things they can do to…
/r/seduction22/01/25 08:18 PM
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Not any because, the vast majority of the time, a woman will not treat you like a predator if you're being normal and just shoot your shot. They're not as weird about it as the internet would have you believe. They generally understand the difference between a guy innocently hitting on them and a guy being a legit creep.
/r/seduction13/01/25 06:52 AM
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I wear a bit of makeup to even out my skin tone and define my facial structure (do some subtle contouring), but honestly, I do it for me. I don't think it's any kind of lifehack for looking more attractive to women. Hetero women like men. And men are often hairy, unadorned, have textured skin, throw on any t-shirt and pair of jeans that fit and call it an "outfit," use the same bottle for their body wash, shampoo, and conditioner… Most men over the course of time who have gotten women didn't put…
/r/seduction27/12/24 02:33 AM
1

Do you think every last woman at a bar or club is blackout drunk? That there aren't any with the mental capacity to consent? You sound like you're merely guessing what the outside world is like from D.A.R.E. videos or some shit.
/r/seduction25/12/24 03:47 PM
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A lot of studies show that even now that women make their own money, they still have a preference for men who out-earn them. Even rich women want men richer than they are. I guess traits that were selected for millions of years ago take time to catch up to relatively recent social changes. In our current environment, there's no reason that a woman needs to rely on a man's ability to acquire resources in order for their offspring to be viable, but that fact alone doesn't change what makes a woman…
/r/seduction23/12/24 01:38 AM
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I can only tell you what the right thing to do is. The right thing to do is to be honest. How is she going to feel after she finds out you lied? How could she ever trust you about anything else? But I'm guessing you're not asking, "what's the right thing to do," but instead "what's more likely to get me laid?" I don't know the answer to that question, so I couldn't really help even if I didn't think you should do the right thing. Maybe you're more likely to get laid if she thinks you're 26. Mayb…
/r/seduction03/12/24 05:51 PM
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Don't wait until you're "good enough." You'll never get any younger. You regret the things you don't do more than the things you do.
/r/seduction02/12/24 07:19 PM
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You're aiming for the men who have the most options. The ones who are of course going to play the field, because they can. Most men have a hard time attracting interest from women because women are much choosier than men. Men struggle to get dates and get ghosted even when they do get them because the women have 100 more options lined up behind them. But when it comes to the top tier men that all these women are after, the dynamic flips, and they're the ones who have so many options that it's ea…
/r/seduction23/11/24 07:47 PM
5

Here's the part where I admit I didn't read the whole thing. But you should be impressed by the fact that I sensed it before reading that part.
/r/seduction23/11/24 06:30 PM
3

My childhood trauma-sense is telling me you also have it
/r/seduction23/11/24 05:43 PM
2

It's not like normal people don't go to bars and clubs. All sorts of people go to them. I think this whole "man, I don't talk to women at bars and clubs, they're all low quality" comes from sour-grapes folks. I mean, you're at the bar or club, right? And you're an all right person, right? There you go. You have evidence that good people can be found at bars and clubs.
/r/seduction17/11/24 02:34 AM
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Hmm, I might not have the best advice, then. I often hear from women, "men don't like it when I ask them out," and it's hard for me to wrap my head around, because as dudes, always having to be the initiator and having to do the work of putting ourselves out there and setting ourselves up for rejection is so exhausting and thankless that I think, duh, we'd love to be asked out. Doesn't mean we'd accept every offer, but if somebody I was attracted to asked me out, that would make my day. But the …
/r/seduction12/11/24 08:51 PM
2

The guys getting your number and then not asking you out probably just got gunshy and didn't pull the trigger. Like, I've noticed that if I ask out a woman with the first text, it goes nowhere and she never accepts. So, I pretty much have to get a conversation going over text first to lead into it (even if we already had a pretty good conversation when I actually got her number). But if she's not being very receptive over text (sending one-word responses, being inconsistent), I know she's not in…
/r/seduction12/11/24 08:38 PM
1

It's not that your scenario is impossible. It's that it's unlikely. One person being prejudiced against you and treating you with suspicion due to no fault of your own, yeah, that's not that improbable. A whole group of people singling you out and conspiring to treat you alone poorly for no discernable reason, that is several times less likely. It happens, so I'm not saying it didn't happen. But I'm exploring the more likely possibilities first before assuming the less likely one is definitively…
/r/seduction09/11/24 08:41 PM
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Are you sure you don't just have so much anxiety that you interpret benign or ambiguous behaviour as indicators of suspicion/judgement?
/r/seduction09/11/24 01:50 PM
1

Can we always rely on— No.
/r/seduction05/11/24 02:13 AM
1

I've never formed a relationship before having sex, so I dunno. Sex, in my experience, happens before being official. I just can't really imagine deciding to exclusively be with somebody without even knowing if I enjoy sleeping with them. To me, that seems just as hasty as forming an official relationship with somebody before we know if our personalities are compatible. Sex is too important a part of a relationship to just leave unknown before getting serious. I also haven't really experienced t…
/r/seduction05/11/24 12:48 AM
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But the other person only realizes it isn't wit if they can tell you had it prepped and ready to go. If you can sell it like it isn't a canned line, what difference does it make?
/r/seduction02/11/24 02:56 AM
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Really, having a clean, furnished, and organized place worthy of a respectable adult is all you need. It's not like a woman is going to come home with you excited to bang, and suddenly change her mind because you don't have mood lights or a Google Nest. Literally just don't live like a pig. Anything beyond that should be for your own personal enjoyment (for example, if you like colour-changing bulbs, then yeah, get some).
/r/seduction30/10/24 03:02 AM
1

Yeah, I generally stay away from openers like "do you know where to find the Starbucks" because as soon as the person answers, she wonders why you're still standing there trying to talk to her instead of going to get your Starbucks. But yeah, as you say, nothing is impossible and you can spin even something like "do you know where the Starbucks is" into a conversation if you think very fast or have canned follow-ups. But I think most of the people giving the all you need is "hello," bro advice a…
/r/seduction28/10/24 02:29 PM
1

I like: Complimenting some article of clothing or tattoo and asking about it or saying what it reminds me of Making some situational and relevant joke if one comes to mind Just doing a cold read and saying "you look like somebody who [whatever comes to mind]. Either you're right and they're like "Woah, how'd you know?" or you're wrong and they're like, "lol, what made you think that?" Or sometimes if they really don't want to talk, they're just like "no."
/r/seduction28/10/24 05:28 AM
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People always say "the best opener is just saying hello and ask how they're doing," but in practice, doing this always leaves me stumped on what to say after that. The point of openers is that they spark conversations by actually being about something. Also, I find that just starting with a greeting seems to put women off more, because they wonder what the hell it is I want from them and just want me to spit it out. It's like when a stranger knocks on my door and starts with generic greetings an…
/r/seduction28/10/24 05:14 AM
2

I think for some people, more of "being funny" is going to come from finding a way to reduce anxiety than from learning the art of humour. Some people are already funny, but are just too in their heads to let the funniness flow with people they want to impress. Like I notice that I cannot stop with the zingers and one-liners around people I already know. They find me funny. But when I'm meeting new people for the first time, it's like my mind goes blank and I can no longer be the "funny guy." An…
/r/seduction28/10/24 04:45 AM
1

I don't use it as an excuse not to approach. I approach anyway because, even if the likelihood of her being interested is low, it's even lower if I don't shoot my shot. I'm realistic, but not a defeatist.
/r/seduction27/10/24 10:54 PM
2

I wish attraction were a choice. Then I could just make myself attracted to ugly people and have zero competition. Like, "you mean nobody else wants these ones? More for me!" But unfortunately, I'm attracted to the same women that many other guys are attracted to, so I have to wait in the queue.
/r/seduction27/10/24 07:13 PM
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Yeah, this is why I chose bailing early rather than trying to close. I could already tell I hadn't hit the point where a number close would be successful, but because she was in the middle of a workout, I couldn't stand there taking up her time forever. So I thought, "well, since we go to the same gym, I can chat with her next time I see her."
/r/seduction25/10/24 05:33 PM
1

I know some people say you should do the "three-second rule" and just approach a woman within three seconds of seeing her to avoid psyching yourself out of doing it, but any time I do that, the approach is worse than when I take a moment to think of something good to start with. And I don't really have the problem of "psyching myself out" in the first place because talking to somebody isn't that scary. Like, today, I was at the university gym, and the WiFi and cell networks were down for everyon…
/r/seduction25/10/24 12:32 AM
2

Yeah. Almost any time I hit on a beautiful woman, when she opens her mouth, he has a Ukrainian accent. I don't know if it's some cultural thing for them to take care of themselves better than most.
/r/seduction23/10/24 11:15 PM
2

I was FWBs with this Ukrainian girl who barely spoke English for a bit. She knew a bit of English, I knew a bit of Ukrainian. It was fun.
/r/seduction23/10/24 06:50 AM
1

Vague advice isn't very actionable. Yeah, people like others who make them feel good. Tell that to somebody who doesn't really know how to get better at making somebody feel good, and maybe they try to do this by overly complimenting people and seeming like a suck-up. And then it doesn't work. I think this is why people gravitate to the "step-by-step handbooks." If they already intuitively knew how to "just be cool and chill and make people feel good," they wouldn't be on the internet asking peo…
/r/seduction22/10/24 09:43 PM
1

Bought some. Both the insoles and my feet would not fit in my shoes at the same time. I have a lot of shoes. I wasn't about to buy another pair of each pair a size up just to accommodate the insoles. And I don't have to wear just one pair of shoes all the time, because I like shoes that complement my outfit. So, the insoles were a waste of time and money.
/r/seduction21/10/24 05:46 PM
2

Yeah. The whole "outcome independence" thing worked for me back when I had a higher rate of success from cold approach. The rejections didn't sting because knew that it would only be a matter of time before I had another success with somebody else. But I don't think it's humanly possible to maintain confidence in something when you don't get any successes. Cold approach eventually stopped working for me, and so rather than each attempt feeling fun and inconsequential, each failure felt like beat…
/r/seduction19/10/24 02:23 AM
4

If you prevent a woman from having any available excuses not to date you because "that excuse is inconsistent with what you said in this transcript," then she pretty much has to date you. It's the law. "Girl, you think I forgot that both your grandmas are already dead? See you at the Italian restaurant on Wednesday night."
/r/seduction17/10/24 07:10 PM
2

This line is pretty cringe and condescending. "But it's not cringe if you say it with rizz!" Well if it's the rizz and behaviour that sells it rather than the words, then that too undermines any advice to use this line, because the positive effect would have nothing to do with the line, anyway.
/r/seduction17/10/24 07:08 PM
2

Life isn't an anime
/r/seduction16/10/24 06:58 PM
1

He doesn't like to plan anything, he likes to make dates spontaneously on the same day. Out of curiosity, how does anybody manage to be flexible enough to hang out with somebody impromptu like this? Whether it's a date or just hanging out with friends, I gotta plan this shit, like, a week in advance.
/r/seduction15/10/24 07:49 PM
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I once had these two models hanging out with me at a club all night. I was into one of them. I thought the fact that they were so keen to stick around me meant I was in. The girl I was into would often touch my arm or something, and the apologize for doing so. I later got a message from the girl I was into (that she deleted before I could read it, so I could only read what was in the notification) where she said she was really into my vibe and apologized if she was making me uncomfortable by tou…
/r/seduction12/10/24 12:55 AM
1

Assortive mating is absolutely a thing (hot people tend to date hot people, ugly people tend to date ugly people), but why not shoot for the moon, anyway? I'd rather shoot for what I want and fail 90% of the time than just be resigned to date somebody I don't find very attractive because "well, this is my place in life, this is the best I can do."
/r/seduction09/10/24 11:30 PM
2

Got lots of success there when I was on holidays. Probably approached women everyday and hooked up with them on parties or day game. In the end I’d say I’ve talked to 2 women a day and had sex with one per day You know we can see your post history, right?
/r/seduction07/10/24 05:19 PM
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I like being inner-city and close to everything. It's easier to bring somebody home if you're not like, "we just need to catch a train and then wait for a shuttle, walk for 11 minutes, and then we're there!" Women have really liked the fact that I have tampons in my bathroom should they need them. You don't have to decorate your place as thoroughly as most women do theirs, but having your furnishings colour-coordinated shows attention to aesthetic detail without having to have a bunch of 'live, …
/r/seduction06/10/24 12:08 AM
6

My roommate is a bartender and told me this hilarious story about when an anime convention was held near his bar and the attendees were coming in. This anime fan who was, like, the exact stereotype of a neckbeard (think the Lorlo character from those YouTube skits) starts chatting up this cosplayer girl, being really corny, buying her drinks. She's being friendly, but is clearly not interested in being more than friends. The cosplayer is hanging out with a bunch of dudes who are all clearly inte…
/r/seduction05/10/24 12:19 AM
2

It seems like the dilemma of man is that man knows he must say something "different" in order to set himself apart from the dozens of other men in her phone saying basic "hey what's up?" stuff, but in trying to be different and memorable, man ends up sounding cringe and try-hard. I say err on the side of just being a normal person instead of constantly trying to be "quirky."
/r/seduction26/09/24 01:53 PM
2

Sometimes people get busy. I've gotten distracted by life and forgotten to respond to conversations I was legit engaged in or to people I genuinely wanted to see. I've also thought I responded, not realizing my text didn't send. A single follow-up text isn't a huge deal. Worrying about whether it will make you seem "needy" to send a follow up text is probably needier than not agonizing over the decision. There's a huge difference between one instance of double-texting and repeatedly trying to re…
/r/seduction18/09/24 01:32 AM
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Yeah, in the time it takes you to send that additional text, you could have gone out and met 100 more women. If you're The Flash. Sometimes people didn't realize they forgot to hit send or got legitimately busy, so if things were going well and then they dropped off a conversation, sending one more follow-up text after enough time has passed is fine. I think the point is not to, like desperately blow up some poor girl's phone instead of taking a hint when she doesn't respond to the follow-up. I …
/r/seduction17/09/24 09:52 PM
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Yeah, in my opinion, there isn't really such thing as "text game." If a woman is into me, then as long as I don't text anything weird or seem weirdly eager, I can text anything I want and don't have to worry about saying the exact right thing at the exact right time. If she isn't into me, it doesn't matter how funny I am, how unpredictable I am, how aloof I am, whether I withdraw or not. Absolutely nothing I text is going to suddenly make her change her appraisal of me and start being into me. I…
/r/seduction17/09/24 09:47 PM
3

I think it can overwhelm me if a woman is very affectionate very quickly. It can make me think "why are things going so well already when she barely knows me? I'm not that hot or interesting. I'm going to get too complacent and find some way to fuck this up, aren't I? Better keep my wits about me." Or it can make me think, "oh shit, things are moving quicker than I thought… I thought I was gonna have more time and freedom to date around and have fun and not be tied down before making a decision …
/r/seduction17/09/24 07:39 PM
3

From your photo, you don't need plastic surgery. Now, I don't like to get moralistic about cosmetic surgery and I think it's one's own prerogative if one wants work done, but I do think that people with low self-esteem and inaccurate perceptions of themselves are more likely to be the folks who get way too much work done and end up looking like aliens. I can only go off of what I see in your headshot (I don't know what your body looks like or what you look like from different angles), but the on…
/r/seduction16/09/24 02:32 AM
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Do you know how to carry a conversation? If you give one-word responses to everything and don't ask a lot of questions, most guys will assume you're signalling that you're not interested and they'll go away. The good ones, at least. Shittier ones don't take "no" for an answer and don't take hints and will press on regardless. Maybe your online convos are fizzling out due to the other person not being sure you're interested. It's okay to be more assertive and to make moves. Most guys are conditio…
/r/seduction16/09/24 02:26 AM
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Getting rejected by a couple women is not really a reason to feel down on yourself. If you try with 50 and can't get a single one to take interest in you, then yeah, I can understand that being a hit to your self-esteem. But "I talked to a girl and she didn't like me. Boo hoo, I must be ugly." Like, what are the statistical odds you expect of any random person liking any other random person? Of course rejection is normal and to be expected.
/r/seduction14/09/24 02:02 AM
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Yeah, you'd think it'd hurt more if the response was "I don't even have a boyfriend, but I just don't like you." That could at least be interpreted as a comment on his desirability (even though even then, it shouldn't be that serious because duh, not everybody is going to be into you). But if the reason is "well, I'm already in a relationship," then it's not even in the slightest way an indictment of your looks or desirability or anything like that. Both that and "I'm gay" are the least hurtful …
/r/seduction14/09/24 01:59 AM
7

None of us were there, none of us know this person, so none of us can tell you why she did this bizarre thing. Only thing I can think of is that she had some kind of mental health episode. But who knows?
/r/seduction08/09/24 05:40 AM
1

I've found that when I've been that forward, the woman just ends the interaction right away and I get hard rejected. Like, just frowning or laughing at me and turning her back or walking away. Direct game has never worked for me.
/r/seduction08/09/24 02:00 AM
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Funnily enough, my last party had quite a few people (I didn't count… maybe 60-70) and had a DJ. A whole DJ collective was supposed to play, but that didn't pan out. I like live music a lot and play in a band, so I'm thinking of doing a house show with some bands at some point.
/r/seduction07/09/24 07:35 PM
1

For me… I don't really want to be with somebody for the sake of being with somebody. I'd rather be single than be with somebody I'm not attracted to. I don't think like, "well, I need to be with somebody, and this is the best I can get, so she'll do."
/r/seduction07/09/24 03:21 PM
3

Eh, I don't want to use a woman and break her heart by pretending to be into her and dating her just to use her as a stepping stone to somebody hotter. I'm not above being socially pragmatic to reach goals, but I draw the line at anything that hurts anybody. Plus, why would her friends even want to date a guy who did their friend dirty like that? Also, I'm not even sure these women have super hot friends or anything. There's also the practical issue of the fact that this would require me to be i…
/r/seduction07/09/24 03:31 AM
2

Age: 30 Height: 5'8" Weight: 180 lbs. Build: muscular (lifting regularly for about five years, can bench 295 lbs. for reps and get complimented on my physique), but with too much body fat (have a gut and am probably 25% body fat; I don't think it shows through my clothes, because people are like "oh, shut up" if I joke about being fat) Rating: 6.5/10 (I'm not ugly, but I don't think I have an attractive face, either; my eyes protrude a bit too much instead of having those deeper-set "hunter" eye…
/r/seduction07/09/24 02:47 AM
7

Bruh it's too late for you, move schools
/r/seduction06/09/24 12:21 AM
1

How engaged are they in the conversation? You gotta make sure it's a mutually enjoyable exchange. Like, yeah, I could go on and on about my special interests all day, but if I go up to a woman and start talking about Batman trivia or the Duhem-Quine thesis, unless I'm extremely lucky and she also happens to be borderline autistic about the exact same shit I am, her eyes are likely to glaze over and she'll probably be looking for the most polite way to exit the conversation. Conversations are abo…
/r/seduction04/09/24 04:18 PM
1

If a girl asks you if you work out, instead of boring her with information about your split, fatigue management, creatine loading, and experimentation with lengthened partials, you just say something like "eh, I do some pushups when I'm bored," and flirt back or talk about something more interesting.
/r/seduction04/09/24 03:58 PM
2

Yeah, in my experience, women are not impressed by how heavy a guy lifts. If they were, they would get wet for Kyriakos Grizzly. They are only impressed by how much a guy lifts if they are already attracted to the guy. Like I've seen women at the gym look at their boyfriends and go "omg, he's lifting so heavy that the bar is bending, swoon!" because they are already into their boyfriends, and so things their boyfriends do are hot by extension. But if some random guy they don't care about lifted …
/r/seduction04/09/24 03:55 PM
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I think people absolutely did have sex recreationally in the human past. I think that's also why so many cultures have such strict rules regulating sex. You don't need to threaten people with harsh sanctions for things like pre-marital sex, promiscuity, adultery, having sex with somebody of the "wrong" social class or race, gay sex, non-monogamy, etc. if nobody has any interest in doing these things in the first place. I don't think everyone was a chaste little flower until the sexual revolution…
/r/seduction04/09/24 03:42 PM
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It probably had nothing to do with the exact opener you had and more to do with your behaviour, personality, looks, and the fact that you luckily picked a person who happened to be receptive to meeting somebody. Somebody else could ask another person the exact same question and get nowhere. You also probably could have had a totally different opener and it could still lead to a conversation.
/r/seduction03/09/24 10:30 PM
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The fact that women don't approach you doesn't mean you're not attractive. It just means that women rarely approach men and instead wait for the dude to do it. If you're really a model, you're probably oblivious to all the looks they're giving you. The fact that you're both a model and get regular online matches is evidence that they find you attractive. If things don't go beyond a couple dates, it's probably your behaviour rather than your looks. Maybe you're being boring and don't know how to …
/r/seduction03/09/24 03:07 AM
1

I have a similar problem. I have pretty academic interests and find it hard not to talk about things that don't really lend themselves well to a casual, flirtatious vibe. I'm not saying that in an insufferable, pretentious "hmm, I'm very sophisticated and talk above the average person's head" way, because I don't think I'm smarter than somebody just because they don't find it engaging to discuss epistemology at a party. I'm sure plenty of people smarter than me are just better than I am knowing …
/r/seduction03/09/24 03:04 AM
1

Shouldn't it actually be easier if you aren't overly thirsty and can think with a clear head and don't have to worry about an embarrassing bulge in your pants? Like, I can still tell if I'm attracted to a woman and be motivated to talk to her even if I'm not outrageously horny at that very moment.
/r/seduction03/09/24 12:13 AM
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I mean, whatever works to send the signal. Speaking as somebody who has been the guy who hit on the wrong girl before, I've definitely found it really helpful when the couple makes it obvious that they're a couple. Most of the time, you can tell by the way they look/behave around each other, but I've made the mistake of thinking a guy and a girl who came to a party together were just friend because they looked and acted so platonically together. In fact, in this one particular case, neither pers…
/r/seduction02/09/24 06:35 PM
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I think the least awkward thing to do in this sort of situation is just to hold your GF's hand and to politely join the conversation, exhibiting a friendly attitude to all involved. It's not as hostile and insecure as getting aggressive with the dude, who probably just had no idea that the girl already has a partner. But it sends him the message so that he stops hitting on her. It also doesn't put all the onus of rejecting the guy on your girlfriend, who might be too shy to do it and probably ac…
/r/seduction02/09/24 02:56 PM
2

Half of the questions on this sub remind me of this.
/r/seduction29/08/24 10:19 AM
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The real "cope" is not wanting to approach until you have 100% confirmation that you're not ugly because you don't want to do the work of finding out if you are through rejections.
/r/seduction24/08/24 01:23 AM
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Can there be a full and total ban on these "if a woman scratches her nose, does it mean XYZ" posts? People engage in all sorts of micro-behaviours for all sorts of reasons, and none of them are reliable indicators or 100% deterministic of any particular attitude, thought, judgement, or anything. If you just put yourself out there and talk to people, you won't have to ask questions like "does it mean their not receptive to me if their ponytail is on the left instead of the right?" You'll find out…
/r/seduction24/08/24 01:02 AM
0

People are drawn to people who are passionate and have impressive skills, especially in pursuits that society tends to value (like art). It's not really some deep mystery.
/r/seduction23/08/24 06:42 AM
2

Bad idea. Just talk to the fellow student instead.
/r/seduction21/08/24 04:48 AM
6

Looks are very important. But there's only so much we can do about them, which is why a space that's devoted to "things we can actually do to improve our success" isn't going to focus on them much beyond what's in our power to change. There are plenty of forums for whining about the aspects we can't control. Spending too much time on them, incidentally, doesn't tend to be good for your mental health or attitude. So here, we focus on what we can actually affect.
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:19 PM
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What is it about looking better that makes people look better I dunno, I think it's the "looking better" part
/r/seduction17/08/24 10:58 PM
2

There weird. Like, I don't guard my sisters, because they're smart intelligent people whom I trust to be able to make good choices for themselves. I trust their judgement, so if I see them talking to a guy, that's enough for me to be satisfied that the guy is all right. Dudes who mate guard their family members give me creepy incestuous vibes. Like, why are they spending so much time thinking about who's getting into their sibling's pants? Gross.
/r/seduction17/08/24 04:59 AM
3

Where are you getting this from?
/r/seduction16/08/24 03:21 PM
1

I find it cathartic to immediately share my insecurities and literally letting them know “hey, I know im ugly, skinny fat and corny.”. Sounds like you want them to feel sorry for you and to feel bad for breaking things off with you. Like, "I'll pretend to have high confidence and be normal because that's how you get girls, but as soon as they dump me, I'm free to drop the façade and dump all my self-loathing on them so they realize how they hurt a delicate little flower and feel awful about it a…
/r/seduction16/08/24 02:26 PM
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I've only been to one. I didn't have high expectations going in. Since it's generally not hard for women to get dates, I could imagine that it would be a certain kind of woman who would have to resort to speed-dating. I was right. Only a single woman at the event had a BMI in the normal range, and she was into pretending to be a cat. I never tried it again.
/r/seduction13/08/24 07:54 PM
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This sounds more like it's driven by resentment and frustration than anything else. "Fine, I'll block you! See how you like it! [I hope you notice and feel bad for hurting my feelings by not responding.]" I think the goal should be to not be emotionally impacted by somebody not responding rather than to have a need to make things even. Easier said than done, I know, but this post sounds like pain masquerading as not giving a fuck.
/r/seduction12/08/24 03:48 AM
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Yeah. Like, some exist, but they are rare. I do think that people who are conventionally attractive seem less likely to join alternative subcultures based on rejecting mainstream conventions and finding a niche community.
/r/seduction09/08/24 05:12 PM
1

Then it sounds like you're giving up on criterion #2. Fair enough. We have to pick our compromises.
/r/seduction09/08/24 05:10 PM
1

Okay, so you want to: Stay married to your wife who doesn't want to have sex While still getting to have sex While not cheating on her While not having an open relationship or engaging in polyamoury I can't conceive of any option that satisfies all four criteria. So, you have to pick an option that violates at least one of these criteria. Which one are you most willing to give up on?
/r/seduction09/08/24 04:48 PM
2

I do hit the gym. Four times a week. Bench 290 lbs., deadlift 450 lbs., and get compliments on my physique. People also tell me I'm the best-dressed person they know. I do think I'm below average in looks, but I've tried to maximize the parts of my looks I can control (physique, clothing). But I can't do anything about my face or height (both are slightly below average—I'm 5'8"). I would get minor things done like Botox to slow down fine lines, but I don't have the money for that. Best I can do …
/r/seduction09/08/24 04:42 AM
1

So you want to: Stay married to your wife who doesn't want to have sex While still getting to have sex While not cheating on her The only thing you can do that satisfies these three criteria (without doing anything, you know, awful and illegal) is having an open marriage. Have you asked her about how she would feel about that?
/r/seduction09/08/24 03:13 AM
1

Are you saying you have oneitis for your wife? Aren't you supposed to have oneitis for her? I do not understand your question.
/r/seduction09/08/24 03:09 AM
1

Makes sense. Any tips on how to enter these more attractive circles? I always see groups being stratified by attractiveness, with all the hot people hanging out together in one group and the less attractive ones hanging out in another group, and it often seems like the hotter groups are kinda impenetrable. Like, when I talk to them, they are less receptive than if I just chat with average people. Maybe I need to make the kind of dude friend who hangs out in these circles, because I only really s…
/r/seduction09/08/24 12:34 AM
1

It happened once within the past, I dunno, four years that I met a woman I found somewhat attractive through mutual friends. And she was only somewhat attractive. Wasn't really what I find very attractive. She pitched getting coffee and we exchanged IGs, but then she never responded anyway so 🤷.
/r/seduction09/08/24 12:13 AM
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I mean, I value and like my friends, so I'm not going to abandon them just because they're not hot. But I am trying to also expand my social circles and get into groups with hotter women in them. I invited a hot woman I met at the gym to a party I'm having. She mentioned bringing friends. I'm hoping to invite more gym girls, as the gym is the place I see the most hot women. Also invited some decently attractive girls I met at a rave last weekend. Other than that, I don't really know how to get i…
/r/seduction08/08/24 09:44 PM
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My result was "meeting women through friends." The problem for me is that I'm rarely attracted to the women in my social circles. If I'm hanging out with a female friend and she introduces me to one of her female friends, she never turns out to be hot.
/r/seduction08/08/24 08:52 PM
2

"I love the way he confidently stimmed with his fidget spinner."
/r/seduction06/08/24 07:47 PM
0

Bro we are all literally always holding our phones and anxiety still exists. Hey, wait a minute—
/r/seduction06/08/24 07:44 PM
1

Thanks, I might try that. I think my problem isn't so much opening as transitioning from the opening to a conversation. It's like, "I've opened; now what?" In most approaches, I'd stack with a cold read to get her to open up about herself. But in the gym, where people have shit to do, it feels like I'm wasting the person's time and being a pest by standing there asking questions or talking instead of just leaving. But at the same time, I can't just open, ask for the number, and leave, because th…
/r/seduction06/08/24 12:03 AM
1

I know that they usually don't harshly reject you and are more likely to give you their number and just not respond. My worry isn't getting harshly rejected so much as it is getting a reputation and having people go, "that guy is weird." A gym is a place you regularly frequent, so if you approach different women too often, you risk people noticing and talking about you. Even though 95% of women won't make a big deal about an approach so long as you're respectful and not creepy, there's always go…
/r/seduction05/08/24 01:39 AM
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Okay, so I just did an approach. I dunno, complimented her shoes, had polite small talk, got her IG, and invited her to the party, but the vibe felt very stiff and kinda weird, so… I don't expect to see her at the party. Another girl from the gym I met months ago has said she wants to come and is bringing some friends. So hopefully she does and her friends are cute. The vibe was much more relaxed with her when I approached her.
/r/seduction04/08/24 09:15 PM
1

Also, any advice for approaching a pair of women at the gym? When they're with a workout buddy, they are usually spotting each other between their own sets, so it never feels like you can approach without interrupting something.
/r/seduction04/08/24 08:14 PM
1

So I don’t quite understand - do you feel you have low self-esteem and if you do, does it affect you negatively? Yes, I know I have low self-esteem. Since I don't tell people and try not to make it obvious that I have low self-esteem (because being negative just makes one less likable), I can't tell if my low self-esteem is affecting how others perceive me or not. You will know it affects you negatively if you are one of the guys who is constantly approaching but is striking out more often than …
/r/seduction25/07/24 11:10 PM
2

Sometimes, the advice is about stuff I don't even realize I'm doing. Like when somebody pointed out that I was craning my head up while deadlifting instead of keeping my head straight. I know I'm not supposed to do that, but didn't realize I was doing it.
/r/seduction25/07/24 08:37 PM
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Most girls I've been with have been alt girls and artsy. I dunno, I always found them easier to get with than more conventional girls. They seem more open to talking about just about anything, whereas talking about certain things with more conventional girls would kinda turn them off or bore them. A lot of the more alt girls aren't into the traditional macho masculinity thing, and seem to prefer guys who seem unthreatening and "safe," I think. Like, they're not going to go for the frat boy, they…
/r/seduction25/07/24 07:22 PM
2

Any tips on how to avoid people "sensing" your low self-esteem if you have it? I know answer #1 is going to be "work on yourself so that you no longer have low self-esteem," but trust me, I've been doing that for years now, seeing therapists and doing all the self-improvement stuff, and still have low self-esteem. Mental health journeys are obviously lengthy processes, and I don't want to wait for mine to be "complete" before I start having more successes, because that could happen when I'm 55 o…
/r/seduction25/07/24 07:05 PM
2

Even though I would never give another person form pointers unless they asked (and even if they ask me, I tell them "well, this is what I do and what works for me," because I'm not a personal trainer or sports scientist and can't guarantee that my form won't give them AIDS), I don't find it rude when it's people give me unsolicited pointers and advice. I'm happy to learn what I'm doing wrong and to fix it. I've been given helpful advice from gym strangers. The only time it annoys me is when the …
/r/seduction25/07/24 04:51 PM
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The fact that it works for OP proves that he's hotter than the average person. Hot people can get away with norm violations that would not go over well if less hot people did the same thing. So yeah, most of us are going to need a totally different opener.
/r/seduction25/07/24 04:33 PM
4

Do you think maybe this has more to do with the fact that your environment changed than an OS update being downloaded to all women everywhere as the clock struck midnight on Jan. 1, 2024? You used to be in college, surrounded by people your age who were all in an environment where they want to meet people. Knowing that you are a fellow college student gave them more to go off and more assurance that you have some similarities to them than when you're a total stranger cold approaching them on the…
/r/seduction25/07/24 03:40 PM
1

Direct approach has never worked for me. I think it works for guys who are physically really hot. The rest of us have to warm them up to us by being funny or interesting or some other selling point. Just going "you're cute" when they don't have a reason to value compliments from you just makes them go yeah, I know you find me cute. I don't know you nor want anything from you, though.
/r/seduction24/07/24 08:28 PM
1

In the end tell her what you actually do. I think this is an important part. Trying to always go with the witty joke answers and never just answering a question straight eventually just makes her think you have something to hide instead of making her think you're a laugh riot. Joke for a bit, but also just be normal.
/r/seduction24/07/24 08:25 PM
2

I mean, it's possible to be so ugly that your confidence makes people see you more negatively rather than more positively because they see you as not knowing your place/being delusional. But I don't think most people are that ugly. Even for a just kinda ugly person, acting confident is gonna make them more attractive and likeable than not acting confident.
/r/seduction21/07/24 04:34 PM
4

This has certainly been a problem. A few dates in, I often kinda start forgetting to have that kinda cocky/flirty/challenging humour and just get boring (especially if I'm way too busy earlier in the day to really prepare for the date), and then the woman inevitably gets bored and breaks things off soon after. I guess since trying to actually change my personality hasn't worked, I've just been hoping that I get better and better at maintaining this mask. I could just 'be myself,' but that only a…
/r/seduction21/07/24 03:16 AM
2

Which is the thing I'm doing when I put effort into being funny/interesting/flirtatious/whatever. But it's always something I have to put effort into and never just becomes automatic.
/r/seduction21/07/24 02:42 AM
6

Which is exactly my point. People who are naturally charismatic and magnetic find "not thinking too hard and just being natural" effective, but it doesn't work for those of us who aren't naturally that way. Which is why the "stop overthinking it, bro" advice from them does nothing for us.
/r/seduction21/07/24 02:25 AM
9

Eh, the "just talk to people and be yourself" stuff never really worked for me. Just boring small talk like "hi, how's it going? I really like your dress. What are your hobbies?" and shit hasn't really gotten me anywhere. The only times things did work out for me is when I made a conscious effort to be flirtatious and witty and kind of pre-planned how I'd try to come across. I dunno, I think people who are naturally charismatic think that everyone else is also naturally charismatic if they just …
/r/seduction21/07/24 02:02 AM
8

Scarcity only makes something more valuable if people want it in the first place. I might make a unique, one-of-a-kind painting that nobody would be able to get anything like anywhere else, and still absolutely no one might be interested in buying it because maybe it's not very good. I'm not saying you're "not very good" like my shitty painting. But making your attention a scarce resource/not being needy will only make people want you more if your attention already seems valuable. Maybe your att…
/r/seduction21/07/24 01:56 AM
0

She stayed because she pitied him when he started pouting and felt like it was her job to make him feel better. A lot of unassertive people-pleasers feel like they have to put others' emotions before their own comfort. Doesn't mean she wasn't uncomfortable. Especially because she works with the guy and she will have to interact with him again, she felt like she had to smooth things over to prevent them from being tense in the future.
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:45 PM
1

I don't think anyone's thought when being taken to a secluded parking lot instead of their house and being pressured and then forcibly kissed is "damn, I feel so powerful right now."
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:30 PM
8

Where have you been the last decade? What country do you live in? There's been so much public education about this kind of thing and why it's creepy that you have to be living under a rock to not have heard about it. At least in the Western world. I do not know what the discourse is like in India. I could get an awkward guy in, like, the '80s, before we had conversations about these things more, not yet getting the memo that this isn't the way to do things. But bro, it's 2024.
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:22 PM
1

Even if our relationship becomes awkward now I have no regrets as I did what I felt like, You should have regrets, dude. What you did was really weird. So weird that I can't tell if this is a troll post/joke. A woman pretty clearly let you know she isn't interested, and you didn't take "no" for an answer. She told you she just wanted to be friends. When you pressed, she just said "I dunno" because unassertive, conflict-averse people (i.e. most women and a good number of men) do that when they me…
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:11 PM
2

If women had their way we’d have 3 emotions: Anger (about shit she is angry about ) Happiness(about shit she is happy about) and unhealthy borderline unreal obsession about her. I'd remove the "anger" one. Most would probably prefer a guy who keeps his cool when she's angry so that he can emotionally regulate her and help her to feel better. Not by invalidating her and telling her "it's not that bad" or "your problem is easy to fix, why don't you just do my obvious solution?", but by, like, list…
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:22 AM
4

I think there are two common explanations. One of them might be true. They might both be true at the same time. Maybe neither of them are true. But they both sound plausible. So, take this with a grain of salt and don't figure me as pretending to be some expert. Both explanations are broad generalizations that aren't supposed to be true of every single individual, as individual variation is still a thing. Bio-explanation: Because women have a higher investment in reproduction than men do (nine m…
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:08 AM
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Uh, mostly just normal small talk. But with some jokes here and there to make it fun and not totally boring interview mode. Not a lot of gamey "strategies" or anything." A little bit of cocky humour, but not over the top, and tempering it with just being pretty normal. Most of the lays I've gotten from daygame were just kinda having a short chat, getting to know the person a bit, asking for their number, going on some dates, and eventually that leading to sex on the second or third date. In orde…
/r/seduction07/07/24 02:25 AM
0

I can imagine that. A lot of people are focused on their families at that age, so I imagine "playing pool with a friend" can't really be their priority anymore when they need to go to work, take little Suzie to soccer practice, etc. I dunno. I don't want to give you some invalidating toxic positivity and tell you "don't worry about it, it'll all work out," but I also don't want to encourage any doomerism/a negative mindset and say it might not. But I hope things turn out well for you. At least f…
/r/seduction05/07/24 05:19 AM
6

God, I'm so afraid of aging, because it seems like "dating sucking even more" is the common experience for most people who are still single when they're a bit older. I have no idea whom to talk about it with, either. If you bring this up in polite society, people just give generic stock advice like "there are plenty of great experiences to have at any age, some people meet somebody at 60, everything will be fine, blah blah blah," and then I stop talking about it because I don't want to seem weir…
/r/seduction05/07/24 01:00 AM
3

I've tried going out alone a few times, especially because me and my friends are mostly in the alt scene, and most of them are "too cool" to have fun at some normal club that plays Top 40s, and so never want to go. But most attractive women, in my experience, tend to have pretty normal tastes and there are a hell of a lot more of them at normie clubs than at punk shows or goth nights. However, I've found going out alone to be pretty hit-or-miss. Sometimes I can do it and have fun, meet people th…
/r/seduction05/07/24 12:52 AM
1

Idk, I have no problem with a date needing to take a call when she's on a date with me. I don't find it rude. I think phones are a big enough part of our lives now that we should stop even considering it a faux pas for something to check something on their phones for five minutes during a date or while hanging out instead of needing to fill every moment with conversation. Sometimes the name of an actor is on the tip of my tongue and not being able to remember his name is really bugging me and I …
/r/seduction02/07/24 12:52 AM
3

I would probably just say "with a name like that, I like him already," or "yeah, but it looks better on me." And then change the subject so that you're not stuck in a conversation about her ex. The point is that they are probably trying to throw you off and put you at a loss for words because it's funny. But then it's impressive and attractive when you're so confident that even curve balls don't faze you. So, it probably matters less what you say than how you say it (though I acknowledge that ad…
/r/seduction29/06/24 03:45 AM
19

"At least you won't have to worry about moaning the wrong name." (Don't actually use this line, by the way. It's funny as a Reddit comment but would be awful IRL. I have no real advice to give you, but couldn't resist the easy joke opportunity.)
/r/seduction29/06/24 03:00 AM
2

That's not a healthy way to think, bro. Yeah, it's great if you can get laid on a first date, but it doesn't mean "you did something wrong" if you didn't. Thinking that will only cause you to beat yourself up each time a date doesn't end in a lay. Or worse, cause you to act weird and pushy and desperate. Like, you realize the women you're dating are human beings with their own thoughts, preferences, histories, personalities, etc., right? That they're not video game NPCs that are all pre-programm…
/r/seduction26/06/24 03:54 AM
8

I think that teasing people is something that maintains rapport, because it cements the fact that you two are close enough to be able to poke fun at each other. Strangers don't call each other "buttface." Employees are employers don't call each other "buttface." But many pals call each other "buttface." Why? Because they're close enough to know it's in good fun. If an interaction feels a bit too formal, a bit of teasing can signal to the other person "oh, we don't have to be so uptight," and the…
/r/seduction20/06/24 12:19 AM
1

That sounds really intense. People usually find that level of pressure uncomfortable. It's better when you treat it like it's not a big deal. Just a casual "hey, wanna grab a coffee?" instead of the whole "I will serenade her and tell her I have coveted her fair hand since I first laid eyes on her and ask her if she would do me the honour of accompanying me to the ball" bit.
/r/seduction18/06/24 05:40 PM
6

One problem I had with the survey was that it was hard to gauge the person's physique in many of the photos, and that's a large portion of what factors into how attractive I find somebody. Like, if a person in a photo has a pretty face, but is wearing enough layers or billowy clothes that I can't tell if they have a lean gym build or just a lean build with no muscle/curves, I won't know whether to select "attracted to" or "not my type but open."
/r/seduction18/06/24 01:40 AM
7

Yeah, it was weird how the captions decided that age, ethnicity, and size were important for some pictures and not for others. It would probably be best not to have captions at all so that the rater could make their own judgements and wouldn't be influenced by the description. If the captions were supposed to help the seeing impaired, maybe it would have been better to give them their own survey.
/r/seduction18/06/24 01:13 AM
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My hunch is that even though people's preferences vary from each other's, there is significant agreement amongst people on who is beautiful and who isn't. What I mean is that positive judgements of attractiveness aren't uniformly and evenly distributed amongst people. Like, it is not the case that every person out there has an equal number of people who would find them attractive. Some people are found attractive by a great deal of people. Some people are found attractive by very few or even no …
/r/seduction18/06/24 01:00 AM
3

If you found out that this is uncommon or "weird," would that make you stop doing it? If not, what exactly is the problem? Sounds like you two found something that works for you that you both enjoy. I don't understand why this would mean there's anything wrong with you. What does it matter if it's common or not?
/r/seduction09/06/24 12:23 AM
16

I dunno, I don't want to sound like one of those creepy sex-tourism fucks or those "Western women are blah blah blah" weirdos, but a number of friends have told me that women were much more receptive to them outside of North America. I think it's likely that there are cultural differences. Hell, even within one and the same culture, I think there are generational differences. Older women always seemed a lot more receptive to being approached.
/r/seduction05/06/24 07:09 AM
3

It's not that testosterone doesn't do anything. It's that most activities or practices said to "increase testosterone" or whatever just lead to short spikes that don't actually change your day-to-day testosterone levels, and the changes in levels are so minute that they're not likely to change your behaviour or have much of an effect on your life. A better reason to work out is because it keeps you healthy and helps you get a more attractive body composition. If you're doing it because "bro it b…
/r/seduction04/06/24 12:15 AM
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Posting pictures of yourself and trying to look pretty doesn't mean you're narcissistic, ffs.
/r/seduction27/05/24 09:31 PM
1

I only know how to subtract numbers, so I got around this by subtracting negative numbers. Nobody's ever noticed I don't know how to add and I'm tenured now.
/r/seduction23/05/24 02:20 AM
3

Wtf, this hasn't been my experience. I have female friends. They don't get mad if I date a woman, their boyfriends don't have a problem with me, the only ones who have been dramatic were the ones who had mental problems that had nothing to do with them being women, we don't catch feelings for each other since we're just friends, etc. You're making women sound like an alien species instead of just people. The only major difference I've found is that it's usually not a good idea to open up to them…
/r/seduction12/05/24 12:13 PM
13

Look, it probably didn't have anything to do with you specifically. She doesn't know you. She doesn't know if you're a good guy or not. She just knows she's at the apartment of a guy she just met, and maybe she second-guesses that decision. The fact that she doesn't feel comfortable enough with you to say that to your face is not an indictment of your personality. Maybe she would have done the same if it were any other guy she went home with. The same way that if you decide not to pick up a hitc…
/r/seduction19/04/24 06:31 AM
7

I think you have to be above a certain level of attractiveness for this to work. If I don't go out of my way to talk to somebody, it doesn't make her wonder why she can't have me and start being infatuated with me. She just doesn't notice or care I exist in the first place. Things have only happened when I actually approach, because even though I'm not the most handsome guy in the world, sometimes somebody finds me funny I guess.
/r/seduction13/04/24 01:49 AM
3

Hmm. A lot of my female friends are women I hit on who weren't interested in going out, but we're down to be platonic friends. But that doesn't happen too much anymore. These days, if I offer to just chill as friends with somebody I hit on, the person never actually takes me up on it anymore. I don't know if it's an age thing (maybe people are more willing to be friends with somebody who hit on them once when they're younger, but as they age, they start seeing it as "disrespectful" to their part…
/r/seduction13/04/24 01:40 AM
2

I think you should focus on making friends first. I don't think I've ever seen a guy with no friends skip directly to going on dates. You don't need to be the most popular man in the world, but you need to have some kind of social circle.
/r/seduction13/04/24 01:27 AM
15

Step one: find somebody who actually wants to talk to you
/r/seduction13/04/24 01:26 AM
5

Yeah, trying to use these little shortcuts to get laid is how a guy just ends up being the guitarist who was told that women love musicians, but never got laid from being in a band; the gym rat who was told that women love muscles, but never got laid from being fit; the rich guy who was told that women like money, but never got laid from making six figures at age 26; the photographer who thought he was going to be doing boudoir shoots and fucking models, but instead has a portfolio full of lands…
/r/seduction08/04/24 10:58 PM
2

How many people have you cold approached? Or, if you can't remember, how many people do you cold approach in an average week?
/r/seduction07/04/24 11:54 PM
4

I mean, he can go to either. A lot of doctors will refer you to a therapist if present with problems that could be addressed in therapy. A lot of therapists will refer you to a doctor if you present with problems that could be helped with medical treatment. Either office is a decent starting point to get help.
/r/seduction07/04/24 10:28 PM
1

What's your profile look like?
/r/seduction07/04/24 10:15 PM
12

Pretty much, you've got to offer something rather than take. "Please miss, please give me some of your time, you're really pretty and I want to talk to you" = a panhandler's approach. If they give you what you're asking for, it's out of pity. "Here take this, I'm feeling generous" = a confident person's approach. Of course, you don't literally say something weird like "take this, I'm feeling generous," but you effectively do that by giving them something of value: a genuine, thoughtful complimen…
/r/seduction06/04/24 01:35 AM
28

That makes her think "what does this guy want, and how long am I going to be stuck in this conversation?" It's, like, the same feeling you get when somebody whom you're pretty sure is a salesperson or canvasser or whatever approaches you and you're already thinking about how long you're going to have to listen to their pitch and how quickly you can politely escape the conversation. Or, you know, when somebody asks you something ambiguous like "can I get you to do a favour for me?" You're probabl…
/r/seduction06/04/24 01:26 AM
1

Man, I really wonder how the average person is able to have their self-esteem be this fundamental thing that is independent of their appraisals of their success or certain traits they have. Like, for a person who doesn't have any kind of mental-health disorder like depression or anxiety or whatever, they can be like "yeah, I'm chubby, short, didn't do that well in school, sweep up popcorn at the movie theatre for a living… but hey, I like myself." I get that it's healthy and good to be that way,…
/r/seduction06/04/24 01:05 AM
1

Getting partway there is self-improvement. Fix the parts of yourself you're not happy with, if they're within your power. You get more confidence from seeing the positive results of your efforts, because it gives your brain some evidence that you actually can be successful. Another part is "fake it until you make it." Just pretend you have confidence, even if you don't, and do the things that a confident guy would do. Think that girl is out of your league? Approach her anyway and act like you th…
/r/seduction06/04/24 12:54 AM
5

Any woman I've seen, if we slept together, we did so within the first three dates. They have all been as enthusiastic as I was to sleep together, and none of them approached it like it was some treat I had to "earn" by "proving I'm not just trying to get sex" or whatever. They never seemed to treat it like it was some "gamble" that they will have lost on if we don't end up becoming a couple. It was just, "I'm attracted to you, you're attracted to me, we both wanna do this fun thing, and who know…
/r/seduction14/03/24 11:59 PM
3

I guess something different works for everybody. When cold approaches did work for me, the direct approach never worked. Just saying right off the bat something like "you're really cute and I wanted to talk to you" would always lead to an immediate rejection. Probably because it pretty much puts pressure on the woman to make a decision about whether she likes you enough to spend time with you right away, before she has anything to base that decision off of. Most dudes would default to a "yes" if…
/r/seduction14/03/24 10:58 PM
3

I've had the opposite experience, unfortunately. At first, I found myself getting desensitized to rejections. I very much had the "rejections aren't that bad; there's plenty of fish in the sea" mentality. I think this was easier when a good percentage of my approaches would actually lead to dates, so having some successess dulled the sting of any rejections. But for the last while, I've stopped seeing successes, and it's very rare that cold approaches lead to dates for me anymore. Rather than ju…
/r/seduction14/03/24 10:46 PM
16

You have to be more aggressive than them which can lead to a lot of tension and fights or at least look muscular and intimidating so other guys feel it ain’t worth it to risk it. Yeah, I'm guessing how you look has a lot to do with how often this happens. My friend was telling me about how whenever he's hanging out with one of his more attractive female friend, some dude inevitably tries to pick her up. I was like, "huh, I have attractive female friends, and I've never seen any dude try to pick …
/r/seduction08/03/24 09:31 PM
50

If I'm talking to a girl I like and a guy interrupts the conversation, I just include him in the conversation and be nice to him to show I'm not insecure or threatened or territorial and that I'm just a chill dude who likes to talk to people. If I were to find myself actually getting excluded from the conversation with the girl and the guy talking more to each other and disregarding me, I'd just leave. That kind of thing wouldn't happen in the first place if the girl preferred me to the other gu…
/r/seduction08/03/24 09:21 PM
9

They're yours now.
/r/seduction07/03/24 07:46 AM
2

Some questions, it makes more sense to just answer normally instead of trying to have some witty deflection. It's funny to throw somebody a loop by giving silly answers to some questions. But if you can't be straight up about what you do for a living, she'll probably just assume it's because you're hiding being unemployed or some job that you're ashamed of. If you're job isn't that interesting to talk about, answer the question but then change the subject to something more interesting. Don't go …
/r/seduction07/03/24 05:12 AM
11

Do you have the option of asking her out in person?
/r/seduction07/03/24 02:43 AM
8

Sometimes I intentionally pretend to be bad at driving just for fun and to see how other drivers react.
/r/seduction07/03/24 01:34 AM
1

I dunno, I've been going to the gym for years, and this is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me. I've had people of all genders compliment me on my lifts, but usually not approach me multiple times in a single day for small talk or give any IOIs (just platonic compliments from people engaged in the same hobby who respect hard work). I've also never seen anything like this IRL. I usually don't even see women obviously checking dudes out at the gym. Everyone is usually just fo…
/r/seduction07/03/24 12:39 AM
16

I really wish this sub had a wiki or FAQ that went over the fundamentals, but see if you can find any posts through the search (or perhaps internet articles/YouTube videos) on the "escalation ladder." It is good to start flirting early instead of waiting too long and suddenly switching vibes, but you don't want to go too hard too quickly, or else it's weird and uncomfortable. So I say, start subtle, gauge her receptiveness, and then gradually escalate to less subtle from there based on if she se…
/r/seduction06/03/24 10:17 PM
44

They will likely just say something like "You're perfect! Don't ever change! You just haven't met the right person yet! It'll happen eventually!"
/r/seduction06/03/24 06:28 AM
168

Well, the good news is that if you have female friends but can't get dates, it means that there's likely nothing wrong with your personality and you likely aren't giving out any creepy or weird vibes or anything. The bad news is that it means that you don't have any rizz, so people only ever see you as the "nice pleasant person," but don't get that tingle in their loins when you talk to them. You're still in a better place than if you were the kind of guy who doesn't know how to interact with wo…
/r/seduction06/03/24 06:27 AM
1

Yeah, I feel like I must have done something to make her lose interest. I know that guys often misinterpret a woman being nice to them as interest, but a woman doesn't go out of her way to initiate a conversation with you twice at the gym because she's "just being polite." Especially when one of those times has the energy of a person noticing that you're about to leave and making sure they catch you before they do. Oh well. I think we now have had enough interaction that she's "a person at the g…
/r/seduction05/03/24 06:44 PM
28

Ask her which non-penetrative acts she's enthusiastic about doing, and see if you can accommodate them? I'm not exactly sure what you're asking us about here.
/r/seduction04/03/24 04:26 PM
3

The funny time is that each time I did catch her looking at me, her eyes would slightly widen, like the same way people's eyes slightly widen when they unexpectedly lock eyes with somebody they're into but are trying to play it cool. Maybe I'm crazy and reading too much into it. And the second time she approached me that day, is was like she was trying to catch me before I left the gym, because she noticed me finish stretching and came over and was like "I guess you're finished your workout?" or…
/r/seduction04/03/24 09:29 AM
4

Man, just last week, this girl at the gym with one of the top ten asses I've ever seen came up to me twice to talk to me. I remembered her because she complimented my deadlifts and gave me a piece of candy once. I thought, well, she's approaching me, so I must be in the clear, right? Shot my shot before I left the gym. She's like "sorry, I have a boyfriend." I usually forget about this kind of stuff very easily because it's a numbers game anyway, but this one was a solid dime. Turns out she's on…
/r/seduction04/03/24 06:08 AM
4

My problem isn't working up the nerve to talk to women at the gym, but it's working out the logistics of it. Obviously, I'm not going to interrupt her during her set. I'm going to wait until she's resting between sets, or better yet, finished her exercise and wiping down her equipment. But it's rare that there's ever that perfect opportunity where we're both between sets. I finish a set, but she's in the middle of hers. I finish an exercise and she's on the treadmill. If I do notice her wiping d…
/r/seduction04/03/24 05:53 AM
1

Oh yeah, I gotcha. No worries, I didn't interpret you as saying that they're entitled to sex or anything.
/r/seduction01/03/24 02:36 AM
1

When I've gone to clubs alone, I've tried to do this "talk to everybody and go from group to group," thing, but it's pretty hit and miss. Sometimes, every group seems to be a bit weirded out that you're talking to them. Other times, the groups are genuinely happy to chill, but even then, I don't want to hang around any particular group too long because I don't want to be some clingy weirdo who they can't get rid of the whole night. So, I try to bounce from group to group, chilling a bit, bouncin…
/r/seduction29/02/24 10:22 PM
6

I mean, it's 1000 times easier for a women to get sex from a man than the reverse, but we shouldn't set anybody up with the false expectation that "just about any guy she'd like to fuck will be down." What I always see with this is women saying "it's supposed to be easy for women to get sex, but I tried once and I got turned down! Definitive proof I'm ugly! Never trying again in my life!" We don't want to set anybody up with such high expectations that they get dejected if they have to put some …
/r/seduction29/02/24 10:12 PM
2

I dont know if I should just ask a guy flat out if he wants to just be fwb, bc I feel like no guys would like that. I think most men would be over the moon to be asked this, and even if they weren't interested, they would still be flattered. I think we're a lot less likely to feel "omg that girl is so creepy, I can't believe she asked me that!" Have you found any of your one-night stands attractive enough that you'd want to be FWBs with them? If so, it's really just a matter of asking them to do…
/r/seduction29/02/24 10:07 PM
2

I can't imagine anybody trusting me if I lied about this and they found out. Like, wouldn't their response be "if he lied about this, what else is he lying about? Why wouldn't he cheat and lie about it?" Were they really just cool about it?
/r/seduction17/02/24 02:58 AM
1

Leveraging the social circles for hobbies and other friend groups (like a group that goes out to the clubs) can be really good for sourcing younger women if you look younger yourself. Yeah, I think I do need to find a group that goes clubbing. I'm mostly in the alt scene, an alt folks kinda look down upon normie clubbing, so most of my friends don't want to do that sort of thing. Even the friends that were down for that are all getting partners now. Friends are also getting to the age where they…
/r/seduction17/02/24 02:51 AM
1

Do you have to do cold approach differently when you're older? Because I got pretty frequent dates from it when I was 23-26. Now I'm 29 and cold approach hasn't worked for me for almost two years and people even seem more weirded out if I talk to them. I don't know if that's a result of the Pandemic or if people are just less receptive when you're older.
/r/seduction16/02/24 07:43 AM
7

God, I'm so afraid of entering my thirties. It's like, I can't talk about this with everyone because there's no way to say this without sounding like an asshole, but the demographic I'm attracted to isn't scaling with my age. I'm getting older, and most of the women I find attractive are between 19 and 25. But contrary to that popular idea that women want an older guy… my experience is that people 19-25 want to date people 19-25. I mean, why wouldn't they? It's not just women who are more physic…
/r/seduction16/02/24 07:34 AM
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The way this is phrased makes it sound like most guys come to a time in their lives where they contemplate the question "should I be a yoga instructor?" and the ones who turn this opportunity down don't realize "of course I should; it will get me laid."
/r/seduction09/02/24 09:49 PM
8

I dunno. Before the Pandemic, I got to the point where I could approach anyone and be pretty smooth and make them laugh and all that, but still the more attractive women were way less likely to go out with me than the less attractive ones. I figured it was because, no matter how funny or smooth or confident or whatever I came across, looks still mattered and I was below the standards of the hotter ones. Got fit, but my social skills haven't recovered since before the Pandemic, so now I have the …
/r/seduction09/02/24 01:04 AM
5

Almost certain this is an advertisement.
/r/seduction30/06/23 07:35 PM
222

I agree. This is why I'm getting reassignment surgery this afternoon.
/r/seduction30/04/23 05:51 PM
26

I don't know if this means I'm shallow, but I used to go for "interesting" girls or girls with whom I thought I had things in common, but I found that I actually just enjoyed being with hot girls more. I still have personality standards. Like, she has to be pleasant to be around and not be mean (banter and teasing can be great; it's people who actually want to tear you down or are inconsiderate that I won't put up with, regardless of how hot they are). But I've found that it doesn't matter if sh…
/r/seduction20/04/23 11:19 PM
2

Nowhere in his post does he say "don't waste time being concerned about simps; they are irrelevant to you." The whole post is saying "guys, we gotta get the simps to stop simping! On the count of three!"
/r/seduction15/04/23 06:33 PM
12

Compliments are a normal part of courting and building rapport. Wtf, you gonna try so hard to not accidentally "simp" that you develop the idea that you "win more" by never offering anybody nice words?
/r/seduction15/04/23 06:05 AM
12

It sounds like you became a defeatist after (checks notes) getting rejected by exactly one person. I thought I get down on myself and hung up on the negatives, but… if all it took was a single rejection to make me go hopeless mode… I probably wouldn't be alive today. I probably get 50 rejections for each person who reciprocates my interest. That might sound shitty but… hey, at least I get dates. What you need to do is get rejected more often. It'll builds constitution, and eventually somebody do…
/r/seduction15/04/23 06:00 AM
13

Don't be so hard on yourself. Not every woman is having their DMs filled. Not every one is going to be a total "baddie." That doesn't mean you won't ever find somebody you click and connect with. It just means you have to be pro-active. You have to initiate a bit more instead of waiting for somebody to approach you. You are already more likely than a guy to get a "yes," so you may as well try.
/r/seduction15/04/23 05:47 AM
5

I mean, yeah, the fact that men want women more than women want men is what gives women the leverage in the dating market. But… what are you going to do about it? Sure, "if men in general started doing X instead of Y, Z wouldn't be the case," but how are you going to get four billion people to co-ordinate to make some collective behavioural change? It's hard enough for businesses in a certain market to coordinate well enough to successfully form a cartel. It happens more easily when there are fe…
/r/seduction15/04/23 05:39 AM
3

Yeah, it sounds like two shy people who don't want to pull the trigger for fear of rejection. You should just be the one to break this standoff and just ask for a date. If he's "not ready to date," then I don't know why he would be on a dating app. I don't think you need to treat asking somebody on a date like this significant thing that would "force somebody into a spot." You're not asking for marriage here. I mean, how well do two people have to know each other to just grab a coffee? Usually, …
/r/seduction30/10/22 05:22 PM
6

If he matched with you, he's at least interested enough in you to have swiped on you. I don't use dating apps, but I have no idea how people could be matched and talking "for months" without actually having a date. Like jfc either shit or get off the toilet. I'd say just ask him out on a real date. You'll get your answer either way on whether he's interested in seeing you.
/r/seduction30/10/22 04:51 PM
1

I didn't read OP's post because reading several paragraphs of somebody wondering whether somebody was hitting on them didn't appeal to me, but I didn't realize it was her manager. If this is a case of a workplace superior making unwanted advances on an employee, it's probably best not to discuss it with the same manager who made the infraction, who could use their power to their advantage. It's best to take it to the union or HR.
/r/seduction30/10/22 04:39 PM
5

"I've always preferred picture books to the ones with words"
/r/seduction30/10/22 02:06 AM
0

Speaking of OP talking about the girls just laughing at him… how do you deal with shit tests/protection shields where they don't even give you the time of day? At least if they make fun of you, that's still a form of engagement that gives you the opportunity to come up with a clever comeback, agree and amplify, pressure-flip, construe the insult as a compliment and keep going, whatever. When they just laugh and turn away from you, how do you stay in the set?
/r/seduction28/10/22 08:39 PM
5

I don't even smoke, and I often step out of a bar or club just to chat with the smokers. None of them have ever asked, "why aren't you smoking?"
/r/seduction28/10/22 08:36 PM
44

Talking to somebody who smokes is no different from talking to somebody who doesn't smoke, idk what you're talking about. Also, who "sneaks out" of college classes? Nobody is preventing anyone from leaving.
/r/seduction28/10/22 05:50 PM
2

You gonna go Rachel Dolezal or something?
/r/seduction17/10/22 02:30 AM
1

If there's even an answer to this question, will it help your success or change your life in any way?
/r/seduction17/10/22 02:20 AM
118

I hear that chubby girls give the best head because they're hungry.
/r/seduction03/10/22 05:43 PM
17

People with low inhibitions who make impulsive decisions easily have sex with other people who have low inhibitions and make impulsive decisions. More news at 9:00. Yeah, we all want to get laid more, but why on earth would anyone envy people with drug problems having sex with other people with drug problems? I wouldn't trade my life for theirs.
/r/seduction01/10/22 04:23 AM
2

Let me consult Pew Research's scientific poll of women's opinions on you by race
/r/seduction26/09/22 08:00 PM
1

The only sign you need to care about: Does she say "yes" when I ask her out?
/r/seduction16/09/22 02:26 AM
11

"HOW do I find somebody with lower standards than I demand?"
/r/seduction13/09/22 02:36 AM
1

This is one of those things that there's literally no rule or algorithm for. It's different for everybody, and nobody on the internet is really going to be able to tell you what's right for you two. You just kinda have to figure it out.
/r/seduction12/09/22 03:52 PM
7

Fewer women than men want FWBs or one-night stands, yes. But you're crazy if you don't think a sizable number of women do.
/r/seduction05/09/22 09:03 PM
4

Just say "I sink into the sand because I'm heavier than you."
/r/seduction05/09/22 03:31 PM
119

Bro wears his shoes in the house, up the stairs, and then takes them off directly before sex.
/r/seduction05/09/22 03:26 PM
4

Here's how I found it goes: Women in general tend not to approach men. Even attractive men rarely get approached. As I got fitter and more muscular, I would get more approaches, but it still isn't the norm. And it's not the hot girls who approach me. It's the chubbier ones and the older ones who are more likely to approach because they need to put in more work than the hot ones. The few times I do get approached, it's by women I'm not interested in that I have to politely turn down, and I still …
/r/seduction04/09/22 08:15 PM
2

I did text her when I first met her three years ago. I just didn't get a response, so I forgot about her. I had no idea until after I put the number in my phone that this was a girl I had met before, and then I remembered the encounter. I think she doesn't remember me (why would she remember a random guy who chatted her up three years ago when she probably gets approached every day?), so I'm just treating this as a clean encounter and a new "first impression." I know that 85% of the probability …
/r/seduction03/09/22 11:58 PM
1

That's good advice for keeping a conversation from fizzing out, but I'm wondering about how to send a good first text that will maximize the chance of a reply in the first place.
/r/seduction03/09/22 05:37 PM
2

Yesterday was one such example: Be me Eating lunch at kitchen table Out my kitchen window, see total gym-bunny dime on other side of the street in bright matching bicycle shorts and sports bra and with a phat ass built by squats, deadlifts, and hip thrusts "Damn. Too bad I'm inside. I'd totally chat her up." "Hey, wait a second, I don't have to be inside. I can catch up to her." Put on my shoes and run out the door. She's a block up from me. Run to catch up, but slow down so it's not obvious tha…
/r/seduction03/09/22 04:35 PM
2

Yeah, I don't buy it. In my experience, if you don't want to get cockblocked, you have to win over the woman's friend, too. Antagonizing her will just make the woman you're interested in also dislike you, because nobody likes people who are dicks to their friends. The Spice Girls were right. "If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends."
/r/seduction01/08/22 10:19 PM
3

You have to learn to approach groups, bro. Women rarely go out alone. If you sit around waiting for the "perfect approach" opportunity with a beautiful woman who is for some reason without a friend group or gal pal, you'll end up waiting forever.
/r/seduction01/08/22 10:15 PM
1

She will want to be polite rather than tell the truth, so she will just say something that sounds nice. It's an uncomfortable spot to be put in to have to say what you don't like about a person, even if they assure you that they are looking for honest feedback and won't be upset. And also… she may not have specific things that she didn't like about you. It might have just been a general vibe or feeling. A lack of that "click." Like, "there's nothing wrong with him, but I just don't feel anything…
/r/seduction01/08/22 03:08 AM
2

If she likes you, it literally does not matter. She will message you back on whatever platform you end up sharing with each other. You guys doing a full-on cost-benefit analysis of IG vs SMS are overcomplicating things.
/r/seduction31/07/22 10:43 AM
2

Yup! Almost everybody has two arms, but some people have 1 or 0 (some exceptionally rare cases of people who have more than two arms, but there are far more people missing arms due to amputation or congenital anomalies than there are those with extra), so when you add up all the arms and divide them by the total number of people, the average you get is less than two.
/r/seduction15/07/22 01:13 PM
2

It's like how statistically speaking, the average person has 1.97 arms.
/r/seduction15/07/22 12:55 PM
1

Yeah, many people get nervous when they make prolonged eye contact with somebody to whom they are attracted. They often look away. I'm wondering if there's specific advice you're looking for regarding this? Are you wondering whether or not you should change how much eye contact you make?
/r/seduction14/07/22 02:23 AM
1

I only know how to open a group if they are just hanging out somewhere where they can hear me talk and not on a loud, crowded dance floor, but I'll check your reports to see if I can learn anything. Thanks!
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:21 PM
1

Because I can't really get in front of her to get her attention without pushing everyone else in her friend circle out of the way in a club that's packed like sardines in a tin can. In daygame, I can just kinda… walk up to her like a normal person would.
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:16 PM
2

Man, that blows. What happened to me was that I cold approached two girls on campus. Over the conversation, they tell me they're on campus because they are doing a stage performance later. They tell me the time and that it's open to the public. I tell them hell, I'll go watch the show on my study break. Seemed like an invitation, and it was a public performance. I go, and after the show, I'm talking to a bunch of girls as we're eating the post-show refreshments. Lots of hot dance girls from the …
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:13 PM
2

I mean, I've had both happen. The thing where the other girls are almost rooting for you and their friends to be a match, and the thing where you find out she has a bf or is just visiting from out of town. But, like, everything takes a time investment. You still have to spend time to comfort build even if she's alone, and then you also have to deal with the fact that she's often a little more uneasy when she's alone and not surrounded by trusted ones. It's not like I'm going to close in 30 secon…
/r/seduction13/07/22 08:06 PM
1

Yeah, it is effort entertaining everyone in the group, but the payoff is that the girl likes you more if you have the approval of her friends and she knows you can get along with them. And you only have to play the group for a little bit before directing your attention to the hot one. If you do it well enough, the other girls actually move away and leave you two alone because they trust you enough to leave their friend with you, and understand that she's trying to get laid too and don't want to …
/r/seduction13/07/22 07:56 PM
2

Hmm, that's weird. I have found that when I approach groups of girls, the other girls very rarely try to cockblock. In fact, they seem to find it cute that somebody likes their friend and encourage it. In fact, I'm more afraid of approaching lone women than groups of women, because I don't want to look like some predator trying to "pick off" the ones who are alone and vulnerable. I've found that the hardest sets are actually two-sets, because you have to make known which of the two you're intere…
/r/seduction13/07/22 07:02 PM
6

First step eye contact check - make sure youre both looking at eachother the same amount. If confirmed smile or nod at her. Man, things go wrong even at step one for me. It's like, I can look at the girl, but she won't notice my existence or look back, so our gazes never meet. Girls just don't even notice me at clubs. This is why I find daygame so much easier… I don't have to wait for that magic "eye contact" moment, I can just go up to her and talk to her. And if she likes the conversation, the…
/r/seduction13/07/22 06:59 PM
8

Yeah, I'd say PUA is dying. Even though one can do PUA without being a greasy, creepy slimeball, there has always been an uncomfortable amount of overlap between it and greasy, creepy slimeballs that have kind of painted the entire thing in the public eye. So, with more people talking about very important issues like harassment and sexual violence, the whole movement has kinda been under heat, and a lot of the internet PUA guys have re-branded as "life coaches," something more palatable in this …
/r/seduction13/07/22 06:52 PM
9

I'm trying to improve at breaking out from polite small talk to engaging talk, as well. I don't have some universal, foolproof algorithm that works every time, but here are some little things that help sometimes: Cold reads. Just make a guess about her personality or lifestyle. "You strike me as somebody who does Irish dancing." It can be anything. It can be stupid. You don't even have to be correct. If you're right, she will often be like, "that's crazy, how did you know??!" If you're wrong, sh…
/r/seduction13/07/22 06:42 PM
0

What do you mean "while interacting with her?" On a date? While cold approaching? While having her ring through your groceries? Also, what do you mean by "a tease?" I don't understand your use in this context, because even though people often use teasing as a part of flirting, I don't see how eye contact by itself (unless she's making certain facial expressions) can be thought of as "teasing." Sustained eye contact can often mean interest, yes. But there's no universal, 1:1 translation of body l…
/r/seduction13/07/22 06:30 PM
2

It depends on the girl. I've usually followed the "don't text for any reason other than logistics" advice. And I don't even do it because I'm trying to play games or look busier than I am. I legit just don't like texting "just to chat." Responding to texts is a chore for me, and I'd rather have a conversation in person. But this piece of game is kinda becoming outdated. It's becoming normal to have conversations over text, just like it's becoming normal for people other than nerds to find dates …
/r/seduction10/07/22 05:24 PM
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When I read the title, I was going to say she was shit testing you, and the only way to pass would be to play it off and not get insecure about it. But reading the body, it doesn't sound like that's what she was doing. It sounds more like she's comfortable with you and trusts you and feels you're cool and non-judgemental. That's why she shared intimate details about her past with you that she wouldn't share with others. So, I'd say, don't make her regret letting her guard down around you. Stay c…
/r/seduction29/06/22 05:45 PM
4

I was going to agree with the "the movie doesn't matter" point, but then I saw the guy below you suggested The Human Centipede, so I think I will amend that to "the movie usually does not matter."
/r/seduction29/06/22 05:38 PM
1

I kind of had this opposite experience. I would always hear about how many men learn about sex from porn, and try to replicate pornographic actions that aren't actually pleasurable or comfortable for a woman. Because of this, many men either don't know how to get women off, or do things that are painful for their female partners. Knowing this, I think I tried too hard to avoid being this type of guy, and I would treat intimate partners like they were Faberge eggs. Be overly gentle during sex, no…
/r/seduction22/06/22 04:44 PM
2

Yeah, the funny thing about their sort of attitude is that it even seems anti-feminist itself. It seems like similar logic to married couples in which the woman uses sex as a reward for the man doing chores. The man should already be respecting his wife and doing his share of chores without needing to be enticed by sex!
/r/seduction21/06/22 10:00 PM
0

I've never really encountered the "I'm going to make you wait" attitude in my own life (if a woman doesn't want to sleep with me, I just assume she either isn't attracted to me or doesn't feel she knows me well enough yet, not that she's using it as a carrot), but I do see women on the internet express that attitude. I dunno, it's totally up to her, but I wouldn't stick around, either. It just seems like… if you don't want to do anything, that's great, but I'm not a puppy dog, so it shouldn't be…
/r/seduction21/06/22 06:59 PM
10

*Gets asked very basic question about his own life/preferences* "Bros, what's the correct answer?"
/r/seduction21/06/22 09:23 AM
89

You're not being exciting enough.
/r/seduction21/06/22 09:13 AM
7

Just look deeply into her eyes, lean in, and whisper-read your entire political manifesto into her ear. Then show her your Nolan chart.
/r/seduction21/06/22 12:57 AM
3

He's telling the truth. Most times that you chat somebody up and ask for their number at the end of it, they give it to you. But that doesn't mean that they text back or turn into dates. For the number, it's, like, a 90% "success" rate. For the actual date, I'd say more like 5-10%. But honestly, I think that's higher than Tinder, where it's probably a fraction of a percent. And, I know this varies, but for me, day game cold approaching is also more successful than night game. Way more of the fli…
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:26 PM
2

Yeah, women's attraction to men is often more based on charisma and status than men's attraction to women is, but if you're talking about Tinder, filter #1 in either direction is still physical attractiveness. All you see is a photo, and you have to click on it to see the bio, interests, and other photos. And you have to then like the profile (and have them like you in turn) to even allow a conversation to start. So, she's going to pick the men who are more charming, interesting, well-rounded—ou…
/r/seduction20/06/22 01:55 PM
2

I've noticed zero correlation between how revealing a woman's clothes are, and how open she is to being approached. They are dressed the way they are because they feel like it. That's it. Some women who are dressed like Mormon sister-wives are DTF. Some are not. Some women who are dressed like burlesque performers are DTF. Some are not. On a somewhat related question that I will never get the answer to, however: why do some people wear garments, only to fight with them the entire day? You know, …
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:47 AM
4

A lot of the things like "escalation ladder" are formalized versions of some basic ass common sense, but broken down into something actionable and digestible so that people can use them. No, you don't need to follow some invariant, precise process of progressing physical contact in a certain way. "Step One is always a tap on the shoulder, repeated three times within a span of 12 minutes. When this is achieved, proceed to Step Two, the light touch on the hand." Like, duh it isn't like that. But i…
/r/seduction19/06/22 09:33 PM
9

Guys doing drugs have some sort of a bad guy/an element of danger vibe = attractive for a lot of girls. Is weed even still considered rebellious/cool? I feel like it's lost its "bad boy" reputation as attitudes toward it liberalize. Weed is for soccer moms now. But I dunno, maybe even in jurisdictions where it's legal for adults, it's still considered "dangerous" and "cool" to young people who aren't "allowed" to have it. But I've been out of high school for a while, so I don't know whay today's…
/r/seduction14/06/22 07:47 PM
7

People like people who live similar/compatible lifestyles to them. Stoners are going to be drawn to stoners, and those who don't smoke weed are less likely to date somebody whose personality is "420 blaze it lmao." That doesn't mean that it's a necessity. There are plenty of couples where one party smokes weed and the other doesn't. I think people might telegraph that they are "420 friendly" because they are looking for a non-judgemental, easy-going person who doesn't mind staying in for date ni…
/r/seduction14/06/22 07:33 PM
0

Cringe
/r/seduction14/06/22 02:46 PM
1

I drink, but I don't drink to get drunk. Often, I'll stop after two drinks. If I have more, they will be pretty well spaced out. I don't think I hold booze too well. If I were to have four beers within an hour, I'd probably become nauseated. I also never liked being drunk, because I don't like not being in control of my actions and feel like it just creates a greater opportunity to embarrass myself. I much prefer weed, coke, and psychedelics, because they allow me to experience fun altered state…
/r/seduction13/06/22 04:14 PM
9

I don't want to be that defeatist doomer guy because this sub doesn't need any more of that shit, but I just do not get results with nightgame. I honestly think looks/height matter way more here. With daygame, since I can actually have a conversation, I've had much better luck pulling above my league in cases where I can interest the girl verbally. But nightgame, it's like I'm too invisible to even get my foot in the door, and any attempt to interact with women leads to the "we have to use the b…
/r/seduction12/06/22 09:21 PM
1

Sliding into DMs of people you've never met rarely works. It does sometimes, but don't expect anything. I mean, if you don't think you're going to end up in a scenario where you can chat her up in person any time soon, I suppose you lose nothing by shooting your shot. Just know that it's a longshot. Go out and meet people in real life.
/r/seduction10/06/22 10:19 PM
7

Eh, even if the whole "crazy person tries to trap man with baby" thing happens sometimes, I doubt it's in the context of random one-night stands. Rather, it's probably people already in a relationship wherein the man has no interest or commitment to having children, and despite knowing that, the woman tries to mess with the contraception to get pregnant with him anyway as a way of "locking him down" because she's afraid of him leaving. And (though I'm not claiming that you've indicated otherwise…
/r/seduction10/06/22 10:15 PM
1

Honestly, depends on what kind of relationship you're looking for. In general, couples tend to match in attractiveness. More attractive people can get more attractive mates. If you just want to get the hottest woman you can (nothing wrong with that), yeah, you are either going to have to be as physically attractive and charming as possible, or supplement that with other traits that women tend to find attractive (status, wealth, power, etc). But, if you are the rich, high-status 40-year-old with …
/r/seduction10/06/22 10:07 PM
28

Considering that a lack of protection would be even more dangerous for her than it would be for you… this lady sounds dumb as fuck.
/r/seduction10/06/22 07:56 PM
197

Uh, why would you be on the prowl while in uniform? That's like a cab driver hoping to get dates from the passengers he drops off, or a doctor hoping to get numbers from his patients.
/r/seduction07/06/22 06:02 AM
59

Bro, mute her stories so you don't see them on your feed anymore. Don't torture yourself with that shit.
/r/seduction07/06/22 03:50 AM
3

I don't think there's any magical text or DM that gets a girl's interest. They respond to messages from guys they like. They will respond to "hey" if they like the guy. And then a guy they don't care about will sit for half an hour trying to think of something super witty and cute, and it will be ignored just as hard as a "hey." Either you met the person in-person, and they respond to you because you were cool when you met, or they look at your page and form an interest based on the content. It'…
/r/seduction02/06/22 08:44 PM
1

I don't know what this guy likes. Any decent person will not try to make you feel self-conscious about your differences, but it's you who's got to make the judgement call on whether you trust somebody to be a decent person. As for me, yes, I like boobs. But they are a bonus, not a requirement. A hot girl with a flat chest is still a hot girl.
/r/seduction02/06/22 07:42 AM
18

Yeah, defending oneself with an entire paragraph is what the Zoomers refer to as getting "pressed." Which we all of course have learned from our Zoomer GFs.
/r/seduction01/06/22 05:14 PM
4

This is one of the things I've appreciated about going out with women older than me. They are way more straightforward. They don't expect you to read their minds. It's not this game of trying to gauge how much to escalate because you're trying to balance between being not just being a boring "nice friend" and not creeping her out. Unfortunately for me, even though there are plenty of attractive women older than me, for any attractive woman at that age, it seems there is a far more attractive wom…
/r/seduction29/05/22 10:49 PM
9

Eh, trying to get advice on how to get one specific person rarely works. Everybody likes something different and is in a different life circumstance, so advice can only help you increase your success in general. Nobody can give you the magic code to hooking up with your 35-year-old coworker. But I do find when talking with older women is that they can be self-conscious about their age, and will start bringing it up in self-deprecating ways. The thing is, though, because you want them to associat…
/r/seduction29/05/22 10:43 PM
6

You can't make anyone do anything.
/r/seduction12/05/22 05:33 AM
1

I see. Are they at least fit? Like, girls who clearly hit the gym/have figures? After dating more fitness girls, I don't think I could go back to the really skinny ones. Also, does going out with 7s and 8s increase your chances of getting 9s and 10s? I guess it's different if none of these girls know each other because it's all online, but having a reputation amongst a lot of girls for being the "Canadian seducer" would make some other girls even more curious about you, no?
/r/seduction10/05/22 07:48 PM
2

That might be the avenue you should stick with then. Dating apps are inherently superficial. If you haven't maximized your attractiveness to make yourself look like at least a 7 on them, you will struggle, especially with the quality of girls you will end up matching with. The problem is, I there's only so much one can do with one's looks. I dress well, and several people tell me that I'm the "best-dressed" person they know. I lift, so I'm at the point where I've gotten comments on my musculatur…
/r/seduction09/05/22 01:39 PM
10

I've never tried online dating, and get 90% of my dates from daygame cold approach. However, I'm getting a bit tired of all the energy that takes, so I'm thinking maybe I should just finally make a Tinder account. Thing is, I have no faith in my ability to attract women through just a photo and blurb. Especially when I'm directly competing with thousands of other men. At least when I meet people in person, I can make up for the fact that I'm not the most handsome guy by showing a bit of personal…
/r/seduction09/05/22 04:30 AM
2

The "this person scratches her nose sometimes when I'm around—do they like me??" questions are pointless. You don't have to wait for some magical sign to find out if somebody has interest in you. You just go talk to them and feel things out regardless. Hell, maybe they've never even noticed you before, but they like interacting with you enough that you can number close. Of course, you should be mindful of signs that the person is too busy or not in a mood to talk to anyone. And you should be awa…
/r/seduction07/05/22 02:05 PM
5

I was going to say… getting fit gets your foot in the door much easier, but it's possible to be so socially uncalibrated that your six pack won't save you. But I didn't want to make assumptions about OP or his social skills.
/r/seduction25/04/22 04:41 AM
2

If you're a single male, hooking up once or twice a year is pretty normal, believe it or not. Getting sex is hard. Most guys aren't getting laid by different girls every weekend. But I understand that if you're here, you want much more variety than what the "average guy" gets. I personally don't see the appeal of adding chubby girls to whom you're not even attracted to the count, but I can't tell somebody else what sexual priorities they should have. Of course, it's going to take a while for you…
/r/seduction24/04/22 11:15 PM
1

Problem is she's chubby and isn't really my type physically. Imagine lying to trick into bed somebody you're not even attracted to. That sounds like desperation and low self-esteem on your part, mate. Like you honestly think this might be your only chance to get any, like you may never get the chance to get laid again any time soon, so you'll settle for a chubby person you're not attracted to, and you'll lie to her because you think she'll turn you down if you're honest. I think you need to work…
/r/seduction24/04/22 08:18 PM
8

When we tell people "there are no leagues," it doesn't literally means that attractiveness matching isn't a thing, or that hot people aren't more likely to seek out similarly hot people. That stuff happens for the same reason that teachers tell students "there are no stupid questions." Of course there are stupid questions. It's just that if the teacher says that, then many students are going to be too self-conscious to raise their hands and engage in class and learn something. They won't get bet…
/r/seduction13/04/22 09:56 PM
1

My strategy has always just been to approach people I'm attracted to, even if they're out of my league. If I get shot down, I'm no worse off than before I asked. Of course, I'm not delusional about it. I do things to increase my attractiveness and increase my success with more attractive women. It's just that I'm not waiting until I hit the pinnacle of physical perfection before I start trying. I'm just doing both. I can only work on what I can change, anyway. I hit the gym. I dress well. I can'…
/r/seduction13/04/22 09:46 PM
7

Oh. Well, at any rate, a woman who broadcasts personal details like this in her social media likely isn't very mature. Who makes stories/statuses or whatever about their thoughts on a person they just started going out with? Also, the "I preemptively sabotage things as a defense mechanism" doesn't exactly scream "emotional health" too much. Not that it's a total deal-breaker or that people who have personal issues/maladaptive coping skills can't still be worthwhile to get to know (nobody's perfe…
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:06 PM
7

These are the kinds of problems that can be solved by turning 18.
/r/seduction11/04/22 09:58 PM
12

Eh, I don't necessarily agree with the "just ask him to spot you and hope he gets the hint" approach. He might be thinking, "Is this a sign of interest? Should I shoot my shot? Wait a second, I shouldn't be 'that guy' who creeps out girls by mistaking mere kindness as a signal of interest." You don't have to necessarily walk right up to him and ask him on a date, but at least try to strike up an actual conversation with him to signal your interest, instead of just asking him to do some favour fo…
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:07 PM
23

Are you a woman? Literally no man has ever gone up to the front desk and said "this woman is making me uncomfortable with her attention and advances… could you have something done about this so that I can work out in peace?" We might not always be interested, but we almost never think a woman is "creepy" or overstepping boundaries just for shooting her shot. If they don't take "no" for an answer," sure, but we rarely fault a girl for trying.
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:03 PM
21

Look, if you're reading the hints right, then she wants to see your dick. Because it's yours. Here's the difference between girls and guys. Guys, we like seeing boobs. How much we enjoy a good pair of boobs is pretty divorced from just exactly whose boobs they are. We wouldn't mind getting boob pics from strangers. Girls, they aren't really attracted to disembodied dicks. Looking at random genitals does nothing for them. And they definitely don't like getting unsolicited pictures. But they'll be…
/r/seduction01/04/22 05:34 PM
16

Is this a troll post Don't hit girls, OP (unless you she explicitly agrees to it and you both respect each other's right to withdraw consent at any time). They're more vulnerable than us physically and you don't want to accidentally break somebody's jaw or murder somebody because they slapped your cheek. And also, when the law gets involved, nobody will buy the "she started it!" excuse. They will fuck you up and throw you in prison and prevent you from ever being gainfully employed again and rui…
/r/seduction30/03/22 08:29 PM
2

Reddit has an edit function.
/r/seduction30/03/22 08:22 PM
1

I don't know her, but I think a lot of people would find that request real. She might wonder if you are actually interested in her in that way and if you're using this as a pretense to try to shift the friendship into something else. Or she might not and she might be enthusiastic to help. I dunno. Most likely immediate response is that she'll just give some dumb perfunctory advice like "oh rhines57, you don't need to 'practice' flirting! When you meet the right person, it will just feel naturall…
/r/seduction26/03/22 12:01 PM
1

I'm not one of those people who's like "omg you should never use the term 'females!'", but it is kinda weird when one says "men and females" instead of "men and women" or "males and females." Stranger still when it's "guys and females" or "dudes and females."
/r/seduction26/03/22 11:42 AM
2

That it's really possible to be totally "outcome independent" and improve at the same time, because learning or improving at anything requires you to look at your mistakes and try to correct them. You can't adjust and try to improve your outcomes if you literally don't care about outcomes. It makes sense to get people to not feel like their whole self-worth depends on if they get rejected or not, and to get people to understand that looking like you don't care what others think makes you more su…
/r/seduction24/03/22 10:14 PM
1

I see what you mean about breaking up the joke over a few messages and letting her do the "who's there?" to set up the punchline. I guess I just feel like girls often have short attention spans for this stuff (I'm probably one of a dozen guys in her DMs), so if I don't get the laugh right away and instead bank on her messaging back, I might not even get to the payoff before she loses interest and stops responding.
/r/seduction20/03/22 11:06 PM
1

Oh, that's a good way to shorten it. I tend to use texting for logistics rather than chatting. However, I still find that the success rate is low if the very first message is asking her to meet up. I find that you still need to trade two or three messages back-and-forth to build things up before asking her to do something. But yeah, I'm not the kind of person who "talks" to a girl for days before finally asking her out. Can't call her, because I have her IG rather than number.
/r/seduction20/03/22 08:17 PM
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Don't say stupid shit like: "You're pretty for a black girl." "Babe, let's swirl." "I have jungle fever." Nobody likes to be fetishized. Or to feel like you hate their social group and are only making a special exception for them as an individual because they are "one of the good ones." Or to be told that you only think they are the best of what you think is a lesser group, but still think they are inferior to most members of the group you think to be superior. Other than that, treat them like y…
/r/seduction16/03/22 08:48 PM
1

In my opinion, it is in poor taste to mock somebody you're sleeping with, even if you don't think they are doing a good job. If you feel the need to comment on their performance, and you know they are inexperienced, the better thing to do would be to offer them guidance and tell them exactly what you'd like them to do to you and how, instead of just saying "lol you're bad at this." So, this girl was just kinda being a jerk to you. Especially during an act that is very sensitive for most people, …
/r/seduction15/03/22 05:46 AM
1

I've still never used online dating precisely because I feel like there would be no point unless I'm a top-tier man in terms of looks. I just cold approach because at least then I can use personality and humour to my advantage, instead of being screened off from my picture alone. I feel like I wouldn't be able to go with girls as hot as I do were I just a photo in a catalog, competing with the 20% of guys who have Robert Pattinson's facial structure. How fit would you say one has to be to get lo…
/r/seduction04/03/22 03:35 PM
1

J-Jenna?
/r/seduction01/03/22 11:03 AM
1

White Pages.
/r/seduction27/02/22 05:23 PM
1

Go to party Talk to everyone instead of standing in a corner with a red solo cup held at chest level. Everytime you think, "will that person find it weird if I talk to them because we don't know each other?", remember that you're at a party, and that's what you're supposed to do. Introduce people you met to other people you met that you think they would get along with. Be the person who's building a network. Try to flirt with people who catch your eye, but also don't put too much pressure on you…
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:38 PM
1

I've approached women pretty much everywhere. Gotten dates from girls I met at the grocery store, on campus, on public transit, just walking down the street, etc. However, these were dates. Some led to sex, but it wasn't a "just come over to my place" kinda thing, if that's what you mean by "hooking up." I don't have a lot of experience in same-day lays.
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:31 PM
1

I got a date on my very first cold approach ever with an exceptionally hot woman. Of course, I fucked it up by being awkward on the actual dates. And it was likely partly a fluke, because my hit rate was inconsistent after that. I think I just got lucky on the first try, tbh. But even so, I don't think it takes 100 approaches to get a date. Within my first little bit of doing it, I went out with a few objectively hot women. And that was before I was muscular, back when I was still just kinda ski…
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:25 PM
1

Not every has a tease and denial fetish. That's the kind of thing you discuss first, I think.
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:04 PM
1

I agree, r/sex will have better advice on how to go about bedroom talk if you're new to it than here. Don't know about r/relationship_advice, though…
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:02 PM
2

Say how you love him This one will freak him out if they have just begun seeing each other.
/r/seduction27/02/22 04:00 PM
4

I don't wanna be "that ex" that, you know, she refers to as "him". I wanna leave everyone better than I found them.
/r/seduction22/02/22 01:39 AM
6

I always think that people should still work on their game before they get to that point where they think they are "attractive enough." I mean, even if you'll be less successful before your gains start showing, at least by the time you get there, you'll already have some practice instead of starting from zero. Work on the two things in parallel, rather than in series.
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:32 AM
5

I mean, it's kinda a holistic thing. Yeah, if you're socially awkward, lack any friends, don't know how to flirt, and you decide to fix it by just making yourself more physically attractive, but never work on the behavioural/social part, you'll end up swole but still have no game. You'll get more initial interest from women than before you got fit, but they'll get bored once they try to talk to you and you do nothing but stare at your shoes. Likewise, if you do a million cold approaches, but sti…
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:30 AM
6

Talk to a doctor, mate.
/r/seduction17/02/22 12:45 PM
2

Pretty sure that fat girls have hot friends because most people pick their friends based on how much they get along, which leads to people having friends of different sizes. I mean, I'm sure there are people who do get a kick out of being the most attractive person in their group, but that's probably an added bonus, rather than the reason they sought out these friends in the first place.
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:29 AM
3

I mean, most people like their girlfriends, so when they spend money on them, it's not solely for the purpose of sex falling out of her like some vending machine.
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:25 AM
2

Damn, me too. I have no idea if it even has anything to do with the hormones, or if it's just because I know I'm working out to become more attractive, so the very act of it places sex on my mind.
/r/seduction13/02/22 04:12 AM
3

There was this girl who kept up showing up in my Instagram suggested friends because we had a lot of friends in common. I remember thinking she was really cute, but not adding her or anything because I had never met her in real life. Then I did meet her in real life. We were at the same club. One of my friends had too much to drink, so we had to take care of her and get her a cab home. The girl I recognized from Instagram took every opportunity to make this situation with my friend about herself…
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:27 AM
1

Disagree. Playful teasing is a fun way to flirt and increases sexual tension. If she makes some joke that suggests that you should feel honoured to have her attention, you make a similar joke back in kind (in a playful tone so that she knows you're not being combative; it should be mutually enjoyable).
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:13 AM
3

She wouldn't have tried to stunt if she didn't like you. "Maybe if I brag about myself and make it sound like he should feel lucky to have me, he'll be more attracted to me." I mean, it's literally the same "DHV" shit that all this material tells us to do.
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:09 AM
1

Eh, don't bother demanding that people explain their actions to you. Sure, you're curious. Sure, you want to know "what went wrong." Why she ghosted. Whatever. But all that will happen is that she's going to feel cornered and uncomfortable having to explain her decisions to you when the entire reason she ghosted in the first place instead of properly rejecting you is that she wants to avoid the discomfort of such a conversation, and she's going to lie anyway because she's going to give you a rea…
/r/seduction05/02/22 11:26 PM
1

That makes sense. When you just talk about work or school, it kinda kills any possible vibes and makes everything feel more formal, like some job interview, rather than making the other person feel comfortable with you or see you as any kind of prospect. My idea was, use my interest in her research as a starting point, but eventually transition into more casual and personal conversation, instead of spending the entire one talking about nociceptors and neurotransmitters. But maybe I should just s…
/r/seduction05/02/22 11:20 PM
62

A girl I'm currently seeing, on our second date, she asks me how my dating life is going and what recent dates have been like. I could tell that this was her subtle way of fishing for if I was seeing a bunch of girls, or if she was the only one at the time. I just replied with something cocky and silly, like, "you mean, out of the dates I've been on today?" She got a kick out of that joke. I think I told her that out of the eleven dates I had been on that day, she was one of the better ones. She…
/r/seduction05/02/22 11:12 PM
2

The thing we have in common that I was intending to use as a reason to ask her out for a coffee or drink is that she studies neuroscience, and I have an armchair interest in that field. I'd like to pick her brain about her research. I wanna ask her her thoughts on weird phenomena like visual agnosia, haha
/r/seduction05/02/22 10:58 PM
6

My very first time, Private Johnson didn't exactly report for duty, either. First and only time that's happened to me. Especially when you're a late bloomer and you're for the first time about to experience the thing you thought you might never get too, it's demoralizing when you feel like you blew your chance. What I found helped was just knowing what to do. I was nervous my first time, because I wasn't sure how the mechanics worked. I mean, it's not like I thought babies are delivered by a sto…
/r/seduction05/02/22 10:47 PM
5

Yeah, I chickened out. I think it's that whole thing about not wanting to be seen as a creep, and over-correcting in the other direction. Especially when it's at the gym I regularly go to, so that I know that if I blow a set, I'll likely run into her again, other gym regulars will have witnessed it, hell, maybe the staff would witness it and be on the alert about "that one guy who's bothering the female clientele." At least when it's a random cold approach at some place where I know I'm more ano…
/r/seduction05/02/22 10:17 PM
0

Btw, as of right now, she's still in the gym. I don't know if I should talk to her again and grab her number before I leave, or if two interactions in one day will be too strong. But also, if I wait until the next time we happen to be in at the same time, that thing might happen where time dulls a girls interest.
/r/seduction05/02/22 09:54 PM
1

Or you could do a less blunt approach and just strike up a normal conversation so that she doesn't feel so put on the spot.
/r/seduction03/02/22 07:08 PM
2

It sounds like she bought the drinks because she likes you and wanted to do something nice. And you getting the drinks next time sounds like an appropriate reciprocation of that generous act.
/r/seduction03/02/22 05:24 PM
27

Either post your face or stop whining about being ugly. You won't do it. I know you won't. Any time somebody suggests that maybe your cesium-137 personality is to blame, you're going to say "no, it's my face, it's beyond my control, women are cruel!" But you'll never actually reveal it because you don't want to lose your one and only excuse.
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:30 AM
8

"I have no idea why everyone wants me to stay away from them. Must be their prejudice about my looks."
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:17 AM
5

Yeah, I've had something like this happen maybe a couple of times, but if it happened consistently, I'd know that I'm the problem rather than everyone else.
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:16 AM
64

Women rarely go to bars alone. You're not going to find some lone chick just sitting there, hands folded, staring at a wall dormantly waiting for you to talk to her. You're going to have to learn to open groups. Plus, if you only go after women who are alone, people around you might think you have predatory motives and are trying to pick off somebody "vulnerable."
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:14 AM
2

Hey, you could be the hot guy she goes out with out of genuine raw attraction, while she makes the pudgy older guys pay for all her shit. I don't wanna say "Alpha Fuxx vs. Beta Buxx," because that's cringe terminology, but pretty much that.
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:06 AM
2

It really doesn't matter how much you like her if you're not compatible. If she wants the dude to pay for everything and you're not in a position to take that burden, it won't work. Find a modern girl who goes halfsies, let her find some '50s chivalry type. But also keep in mind… what somebody says they want isn't always necessarily what they want. She says she wants a guy who pays her way. Well, let her actions tell you, rather than her words. If she continues going out with you despite you not…
/r/seduction03/02/22 09:03 AM
1

I'm guessing you mean low in pitch rather than in volume?
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:43 PM
4

>OP posts stuff that's just the basic pre-requisites of not being a slob rather than helpful material on how to surpass those basic pre-requisites and actually be attractive >Most comments are complaining about even having to meet the pre-requisites Post was okay, but the comments are worse. Much worse.
/r/seduction31/01/22 09:42 PM
1

I don't really go to specific places with the purpose of daygame. I just meet girls in places I'm already going, like on my commute on public transit, on campus, at the grocery store, at bookstores, walking down the street, etc.
/r/seduction31/01/22 04:14 AM
3

I need to learn that non-verbal game. I have no idea how.
/r/seduction30/01/22 02:31 AM
1

What if you're quality over quantity, though? I don't have any interest in pulling sixes. I don't value getting laid so much that I would do it with somebody to whom I'm not even attracted just so I could say that I got laid. I only even approach people I legitimately find attractive.
/r/seduction30/01/22 12:50 AM
13

I hear from a lot of guys that this stuff gets easier in their 30s. Thing for me is, though, that a lot of the most attractive women are in their 20s, and I'm worried that by the time my success rate gets higher, it's going to be considered "creepy" for me to hit on the most attractive women in the club. Don't get me wrong, plenty of hot women in their 30s as well, but there's a higher concentration in that 19-27 range. And I am just exiting that 19-27 range, and feeling like I wasn't able to ma…
/r/seduction30/01/22 12:46 AM
30

In my experience, day game is so much easier than night game. I find it easy to strike up a conversation with a woman that I meet as I go about my day. I can actually talk to her, because there isn't blaring music. And because we can hear each other, I can make jokes or demonstrate some kind of personality and interest her that way, whereas in a club, it seems like the only thing that matters is pure physical attractiveness, so it's easy to get ignored for the 6'3" guy. I've never gotten the han…
/r/seduction30/01/22 12:40 AM
2

There was nothing else you could have done. That rude chick ruined her friend's date, and because the girl you were on a date with was so much of a pushover, she sided with her rude friend instead of establishing boundaries. She then blamed you for not tolerating her friend's shit as much as she did.
/r/seduction28/01/22 09:09 PM
2

If I were the kind of person who'd respond to an anonymous Craigslist hookup ad, I'd just have to assume the principal of caveat emptor. It's like buying something that you know "fell off the back of a truck." If you get played, it's kinda just on you.
/r/seduction27/01/22 01:06 AM
5

Bwahahah, this is hilarious. Not for me, but whatever floats your boat.
/r/seduction27/01/22 12:59 AM
1

This is dangerous, but do what you will. I'd say you don't really have to do anything further. If she already likes you, she's already going to do extra favours for you and treat you as special. You just have to keep being you, and she's the one who will engage in the unprofessional and unethical favouritism. And then you can be innocent of the whole matter if it is discovered, because you didn't really do anything.
/r/seduction25/01/22 10:02 PM
2

Well, I've never used online dating, and all my dates are either from cold approach or people I've met at events/through classes, so this problem has never come up for me.
/r/seduction22/01/22 10:59 PM
2

Coffee dates are fine. I prefer to structure my dates to have some kind of activity first, and then food or drinks second. That way, were guaranteed to have something to talk about when we're sitting down over the coffee or cocktails in case we run out of things to say. But if you don't have the time for both of those things, or just can't think of anything of any cool activity to do first, yeah, coffee is fine.
/r/seduction22/01/22 07:31 PM
16

My girlfriend talked about her life experiences with me Omg, how dare she? She's supposed to submit herself to Neuralyzer and forget all past partners, jobs, and siblings upon dating you. The fact that she's disclosing this stuff means she trusts and is comfortable with you, sillybilly.
/r/seduction20/01/22 08:42 PM
2

What about between sets? I've never had a problem with anybody striking up a convo with me between sets. I wouldn't talk to somebody right in the middle of the concentric motion of a deadlift or while they're clearly on a treadmill, though.
/r/seduction20/01/22 06:06 AM
4

I've never approached a girl at the gym, but I approach girls who are clearly gym girls all the time. I mean, yeah, more attractive people have more options, and are therefore harder to get. So what? Gym girl says no, and you have no fewer dates than if you hadn't approached her. I aim high, knowing full well I'm aiming above my league, because I'm only going to hit on girls I'm actually attracted to, and even if only 2% go out with me, asking out enough means that I get to date fit girls. Last …
/r/seduction20/01/22 06:03 AM
15

How do you know she hasn't "warmed up to you?"
/r/seduction18/01/22 04:35 AM
3

I like teeth, though.
/r/seduction15/01/22 08:42 AM
2

In my experience, women who identify as more feminist actually seem to be more receptive to being approached. Mostly because they tend to be the third-wavey blue-haired sorts who tend to be all about sex-positivity and free expression. I don't encounter many second-wave '70s Dworkin-reading radfems in real life. They literally only seem to exist on the internet. In fact, the women that react the coldest to me seem to be the traditional sorts who adhere more strictly to gender roles and think the…
/r/seduction07/01/22 07:55 PM
1

Whether this is true or not, I love this story and this is quality content.
/r/seduction03/01/22 01:31 AM
16

Exactly. Nobody is actually giving him advice on how to get laid next time, and are just going "bro she wasn't going to marry you anyway" as if that's relevant.
/r/seduction02/01/22 12:46 AM
3

Last time I did the "just shrug your shoulders and move on to the next one" thing, the girl said "I don't like when guys move from girl to girl." I was thinking, okay, if one isn't into you, just try somebody else. But also, when girls notice you striking out and moving on, it turns them off. Is there literally any way to win this game?
/r/seduction02/01/22 12:44 AM
25

Who says OP was looking for a relationship? Maybe he just wants advice so that next time, he's the one who can actually pull and take the girl home, instead of the taller guy. Nobody seems to actually be offering advice on how to have a better outcome next time.
/r/seduction02/01/22 12:40 AM
2

Baby Imma depress her
/r/seduction07/12/21 11:57 PM
9

Brb, grabbing a steak knife so that I can give myself a face scar that "adds character"
/r/seduction20/11/21 08:02 PM
16

Okay, here's one: how we feel about men who can attain lots of sexual partners, vs. how we feel about women who do so. Let me preface this by saying that I am unequivocally against slut shaming. It doesn't detract from a woman's value if she's had lots of sex partners. It's not morally wrong. I have no problem with it. But I also don't find it impressive. Because, I mean, it's easy. Any woman can easily score with a lot of guys. It's not bad, but it's not impressive, either. It's just a neutral …
/r/seduction17/11/21 08:52 PM
-4

A simp because I'm not terrified of a girl at the gym? Nah, I think that makes me a man with a functioning endocrine system.
/r/seduction17/11/21 07:49 PM
-2

I know it's going to be unpopular, but maybe some double standards are fine. Every time I'm about to get in a huff about, "what if the genders were reversed, tho?", I stop and think, do I literally care? Is the average man put off and upset by a woman following him around in the gym the same way a woman would be by a man? I don't think so. Maybe this double-standard exists because the average dude really doesn't give a shit except to make a rhetorical point on Reddit. If that changes, and enough…
/r/seduction17/11/21 07:35 PM
3

Your experiences with your primary caregiver of a given sex will colour your feelings toward that sex. That doesn't mean she is really representative of them all. It's hard, but if you have trauma, you need to make an effort to fight its effects and challenge the distorted thinking it leads to. It's more comfortable to just maintain your trauma-informed worldview, as it's actually a safety mechanism (trying to prevent you from exposing yourself to similar harm again). But it will prevent you fro…
/r/seduction07/11/21 11:03 PM
14

I think OP having some friends who are women is a good idea. Nobody really makes the jump from "dude who barely interacts with women and isn't even friends with any" to "Casanova slayer" or even having a GF. This will at least help him see women as just people, rather than a foreign species that he doesn't know how to interact with.
/r/seduction07/11/21 10:57 PM
1

Yeah, I'd be down for that!
/r/seduction07/11/21 03:07 PM
3

scrotes Funny how you use the terminology of a sub that bans contrary views (and even an entire gender, and hell, even some members of their own gender if they aren't cis), while participating in this sub for the sake of providing a contrary view. Have you any sense of irony at all? At least we don't ban you just for disagreeing. We just tell you if we agree or disagree, and why. But it seems like you have no issue with echo chambers at all, since you're an FDS contributor.
/r/seduction04/11/21 12:25 AM
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"Women's brains make it impossible for them to make decisions in their best interest, so it's the responsibility of men to make those decisions for them" is probably the most misogynist and paternalistic take I've seen in this thread so far.
/r/seduction04/11/21 12:16 AM
1

She only liked your replies instead of responding to them because she couldn't think of anything to say. Doesn't mean she isn't interested, or else she wouldn't have reached out in the first place.
/r/seduction31/10/21 11:39 PM
1

Yeah, definitely looks like he's one of those sorts who doesn't actually want help. He just wants pity.
/r/seduction31/10/21 05:41 AM
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Hey, I didn't go on my first date until 22 or 23. And most of my dates have been through cold approach. Supposed to go on a fifth date tomorrow evening with this stunner who I'd have thought is out of my league. It takes effort and a willingness to face rejection, but you'll make it, bro.
/r/seduction30/10/21 03:49 PM
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Let me correct it then, it's not necessary girls will follow but end of the day you know atleast you're successful in life. Wonderful, but how does this help with the specific issue he posted about not getting girls?
/r/seduction30/10/21 03:46 PM
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I'd probably call that something like an ascot cap or newsboy hat. But I suppose it has many names. It really depends on your overall style. You can pull it off more easily if you're a mature man like yourself who is pairing it with a wool overcoat or something. If you're a 17-year-old wearing it with a video-game graphic tee, bootcut jeans, and rubber sneakers, you'll just be a neckbeard.
/r/seduction27/10/21 04:05 PM
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Nobody here knows what this specific girl meant by "I'll text you," because none of us were there or know her. It's not like "I'll text you" is universal girl-code that translates into some special meaning.
/r/seduction22/10/21 10:21 AM
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Yeah, I've always found the RSD guys a bit too sugar-addled and fratboyish for my tastes. I don't have anything against the rest of them, since to my knowledge, Julien is the only one who's bragged about committing sexual assault. If their approach works for them, great, but I also find them kinda obnoxious.
/r/seduction02/10/21 11:10 PM
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It'll happen when the time is right!
/r/seduction02/10/21 05:58 PM
9

Isn't Julien the guy who talked about going to China and pushing random women's faces into his crotch? Yeah, no thanks. I wanna learn game, not weird sex tourism in a country 50 years behind in civil rights where women are too timid to assert themselves against literal harassment.
/r/seduction02/10/21 01:02 AM
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Pretty much everything Todd V. says is just the Mystery Method, but he re-labelled all of the concepts so that it sounds original to him. Still, I guess I have to respect how he's still unashamed to market himself as in the game, instead of moving on to generic "lifestyle advice" and "motivation" like the RSD guys did because they were afraid of getting canceled for teaching heterosexual men who are attracted to women how to attract women (which is, you know, evil).
/r/seduction02/10/21 12:57 AM
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This is my philosophy, too. I take a "no" as a "no," and don't try to be some "alpha Chad who pushes through the token resistance" or whatever. Plenty of other fish in the sea.
/r/seduction28/09/21 03:54 AM
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Don’t approach strange women in public? It's literally how I get 85% of my dates. I have a third date with a girl I approached on the train this week. But yeah, if she makes clear she's not interested, just move on.
/r/seduction28/09/21 02:26 AM
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He's not gonna make a move. Then you make it.
/r/seduction27/09/21 11:04 PM
2

Due to negative body image, I have few photos of myself, and also due to just being a guy, it's very rare that I look at my friend and go, "we really need to take a selfie right now!" But honestly, we guys should do that more often. We need shit to put on our social media for social proof. Yeah, it might feel weird at first, but whatever. I keep telling myself I should take photos next time I'm out with friends, but I forget every damn time. Maybe we should put reminders on our phones or somethi…
/r/seduction27/09/21 10:23 PM
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I didn't get invited to parties until my 20s when I was already in college, so for the entirety of my teenage existence, I didn't even know what is was like to be at one beyond what I saw on television teenage dramas, and had no idea how I'd go about getting invited to one. So, I feel you on the "how do I got parties" question. The answer is that you have to make friends who go to or host parties. My problem in high school was that I didn't really have friends due to my social anxiety. It was on…
/r/seduction27/09/21 10:21 PM
1

I've never done online dating, but might get around to it eventually. If you don't have a lot of money, what are some cool, "fun" things to have in your life that make people want to be a part of it? I don't have the means to travel, so I can't do travel pics. Don't have a car, so I can't get out to any scenic hiking spots and take photos of me on top of a mountain or whatever (ironic how you need a car in order to participate in a hobby that is essentially just "walking"). I live in a place tha…
/r/seduction27/09/21 10:15 PM
1

It takes two to have a child out of wedlock. Unless you think this woman is going to rape OP or poke holes in all his condoms, which I find highly unlikely, I don't see much risk of OP getting stuck paying for a child he didn't intend to have.
/r/seduction15/09/21 03:41 AM
1

Look, nobody here knows this chick and so we can't read her mind for you. The process is really exactly the same as it is for anyone else. You do some chatting, you flirt a bit, you ask her out, and either she says yes or you get rejected.
/r/seduction15/09/21 03:38 AM
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Yeah, I guess in a sense, I did fail to "close," because I actually was contemplating getting their contact info to befriend them, but chickened out because I didn't want either of them to think I had ulterior motives. Like, if I did have motives, they wouldn't be go get with that particular girl. It would be to have her introduce me to one of her similarly cute (but single) friends. Next time, I should (platonically) number-close them both and invite them to social events.
/r/seduction10/09/21 11:02 PM
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Who cares why? The universe is full of more interesting mysteries than what's going on in this chick's head. Spend your time doing more valuable things, like solving the mystery of why there is more matter then anti-matter, dating girls who don't play guessing games with you, etc.
/r/seduction31/08/21 08:30 PM
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Obvious shit test. I mean, you slept with her, didn't you? She was just teasing you/giving you a backhanded compliment to see how you'd react. The correct response would be to laugh it off; agree/amplify and say something like, "I pride myself on being the most chaste and modest choir boy in the congregation." Actually, make a joke less autistic than mine, but something along those lines.
/r/seduction23/08/21 09:00 PM
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I find it interesting how we all recognize that being the "nice guy" who is only pretending to be a woman's friend in order to get into her pants, only to become resentful when it doesn't work, is toxic behaviour. But a lot of people don't recognize that "pretending to be okay with a casual sexual set-up with a man, but having the ulterior motive of turning it into a committed monogamous relationship, only to become resentful when it doesn't work" is also toxic behaviour. Many people will still …
/r/seduction20/08/21 06:04 AM
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Disagree. Girls who want FWBs just want good, non-awkward sex. Maybe if they were looking at actual dating or a relationship, she would be more open to a virgin or find it adorable or whatever. But in this case, she's just going to assume that OP will be bad at sex and be too emotional about it and imprint on her after hooking up once. The first time doesn't have to be awkward. Op can prepare by reading resources on how to be a good lovemaker. But if she knows he's a virgin, she's likely to assu…
/r/seduction19/08/21 01:33 PM
2

Read r/fitness wiki.
/r/seduction09/08/21 01:49 PM
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My intention certainly wasn't to discourage you. Also, not sure why you're not seeing the fact that you've had attractive partners in the past as evidence that you can clearly attain attractive partners.
/r/seduction04/08/21 05:49 AM
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I think the disconnect here is that women just have higher standards of attractiveness. I wouldn't call that "shallowness," because people are entitled to have whatever standards they please. Men tend to rate women's attractiveness on a normal distribution; they tend to rate half of women as "below average," and half of women as "above average." Women rate 80% of men as "below average," and 20% as "above average." It's definitely an unconventional way to define "average," but it's not like peopl…
/r/seduction03/08/21 10:03 PM
2

Maybe just ask her what she wants. I mean, she probably doesn't even know herself, but at least you'll be making clear that you notice she's sending mixed signals.
/r/seduction03/08/21 01:19 AM
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If you don't want to have sex, then don't. Btw, the whole idea of "men will take you less seriously if you have sex with them 'too early' and won't commit" is incorrect. But regardless, you're not obligated to do sex stuff if you don't want to.
/r/seduction31/07/21 10:54 PM
3

OP isn't going to learn to become less attached to girls by avoiding them, lol
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:20 AM
4

Imagine rejecting every potential opportunity to meet somebody because you're afraid of the potential "mental torment" of them not texting back, lol
/r/seduction30/07/21 03:02 AM
2

Am I the only one who thinks that not responding to a text for 10 hours is totally fine and normal? Sometimes, I see a text and don't respond until the next day. I might be busy. I might just not feel like it. I dunno, bro, don't sweat it.
/r/seduction30/07/21 02:32 AM
4

Brett Contreras, is that you?
/r/seduction25/07/21 04:50 PM
1

Yeah, I'm still down!
/r/seduction22/07/21 04:22 AM
1

Comfy and confident dad vibes.
/r/seduction19/07/21 02:45 PM
2

Possibilities: She's talking about a different guy she recently set up a date with on Tinder. She's a woman on Tinder, so she obviously is talking to multiple guys. She was actually making up a story about you, and she's just vain and feeds off of internet validation.
/r/seduction19/07/21 02:28 PM
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Vaginismus can have physical or psychological causes. Injury, anxiety, past trauma, etc. This seems more a topic for r/sex than r/seduction, but even they can only speculate about the cause of the vaginal tenseness of some random woman they've never met. Maybe she's not tight at all, and you've just had a monster dong all along and never knew it. Have you asked your doctor about Monster Dong Syndrome?
/r/seduction19/07/21 12:38 AM
1

I didn't even read most of this thread or the OP because of how damn long it is, but I scrolled down to this line and just have to let you know that it's cringe.
/r/seduction17/07/21 06:56 PM
4

I have literally never opened a car door for anyone who isn't a child or a person with a disability that makes opening car doors hard.
/r/seduction17/07/21 06:49 PM
2

Best revenge is living well, my friend. Acting all curt or moody around a girl for ghosting you or whatever just makes you look sour grapes. Acting like you barely gave it any thought and definitely didn't compose a Reddit thread asking other people to analyze the situation and just being an overall positive person to everyone elevates you to true enlightened chadhood status.
/r/seduction17/07/21 06:46 PM
4

Lol just be normal.
/r/seduction17/07/21 05:18 AM
1

This is actually something I still struggle with. One thing that I've found useful is the cold read/assumption stack, borrowed from the London Daygame Model. Pretty much, you transition by guessing something about the girl. "You strike me as an artist." "You don't seem like you're from here. Are you from the West Coast?" If you're right, they will often be like, "how did you know that?" If you're wrong, they'll be like, "haha, omg what made you think that?" Either way, it can lead to further con…
/r/seduction12/07/21 01:20 AM
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I don't want to position myself like I'm some wise guru, because I've got a long ways to go myself, but here's how I tend to do it: I try to start with either a compliment about a decision she's made (her outfit, her accessories, her hair, etc) or a funny/witty observation, if I can think of one. I don't start with something as direct as asking for her number right away or telling her she's attractive. I might catch up to her if I have to. But I make sure never to approach from behind. Nobody li…
/r/seduction11/07/21 11:32 PM
1

Yes, hotter girls have higher standards, and yes, that makes us less likely to be able to actually capture their interest. And yes, that will probably make you more anxious about talking to them. But so what? A friend once told me, "you already have the 'no'." Getting rejected puts you in no worse a place than not trying in the first place. Either way, you don't get the girl. So, there's nothing to lose, but a slight possibility of gain.
/r/seduction11/07/21 10:57 PM
1

I don't have autism, but I do have social anxiety disorder, the symptoms of which often also present with autism. I'm sure we have some similar experiences, but I'd hesitate to act like what has helped me will help you, seeing as what I've done to mitigate my social anxiety was pretty much akin to CBT and exposure therapy (forcing myself to talk to people despite my anxiety strangling all my internal organs, and pretending to be confident and normal so I could "fake it until I make it), and I'm …
/r/seduction11/07/21 10:27 PM
1

I mean, I only even approach women I'm attracted to in the first place. Some of the girls I've gone out with have been models. I suck at actually keeping their interest past a few dates because I've spent much more time practicing the approach itself than escalating, though.
/r/seduction11/07/21 10:21 PM
1

Yes. Most of my dates have been from daygame cold approaching. I've never used online dating. I don't know how to pull women from clubs or anything like that. They've almost all been women I met randomly on the street or at the store. Success rate is low, but it's a numbers game.
/r/seduction11/07/21 08:07 PM
1

I would have liked that! Too bad.
/r/seduction11/07/21 05:12 AM
0

I guess I just find that female friends seem to be a bit more offended when you interrupt a conversation to go talk to a cute girl who caught your eye, whereas your bros will always understand.
/r/seduction10/07/21 09:40 PM
1

I've always thought this, but most times I've made female friends, they've just hung out with me one-on-one for coffee and never introduced me to their cute friends. Which is fine, because we're friends and I enjoy their company. But they aren't exactly helping me network, lol
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:13 PM
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I'm skeptical of anyone who claims to be a "dating coach." People who become doctors need to go to medical school. People who become lawyers need to go to law school. People who become personal trainers need a certificate. People who become clinical psychologists need degrees. People who become mechanics need training. People who become financial analysts need to get their CFAs or whatever. This confirms that they know their trade and are qualified to practice it. What, pray tell, qualifies anyo…
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:11 PM
10

90 days? Try 90 years. It's game over with this one, fella. Leave her alone and use what you've learned to not be so weird with other girls.
/r/seduction10/07/21 02:46 AM
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Research suggests that attraction follows a pattern we labeled Falling Upward. People desire mates who are higher but not lower than themselves. Researchers have noticed that couples tend to match each other in terms of physical attractiveness, and for a long time, hypothesized that this is because people are most attracted to others similar to them, and this extends to attractiveness. Further research showed this is not the case here: people are attracted to more attractive people, but get reje…
/r/seduction03/07/21 02:17 PM
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That's why you just gotta kinda field test everything and figure out what's real and what's bullshit for yourself. Well, maybe not field test everything. Some advice, I'm pretty sure is just absurd on the face of it, and would get be charged with harassment if I tried it. You also gotta use common sense.
/r/seduction20/06/21 12:52 AM
1

I don't have a shopping-list criteria. I just know when I'm more drawn to one person than another person.
/r/seduction19/06/21 09:35 PM
2

I recently got a sales job and one thing it’s taught me is; it’s truly and numbers game. Trying to increase your roster size is the only way you’ll filter through who you like and who likes you. I think that the thing that's a little depressing about the numbers game is that, what if the person who likes you enough to stick around isn't your first, second, third, or even fourth choice? Knowing you just have to settle for who you're given, instead of getting who you want? I mean, it doesn't feel …
/r/seduction17/06/21 11:57 PM
1

You can't expect all people to respond the same way. You'll experience the entire gamut from people who are incredibly chuffed and flattered that you spoke to them, to people who will act like literally just saying "hi" is sexual assault. Just tell the mean ones to have a nice rest of their day, and walk away. Then forget about them, because dwelling on their reactions and making them about you will just do your head in. It was never about you (unless you legitimately did something creepy), and …
/r/seduction17/06/21 11:14 PM
5

I see lanky dudes do well all the time. Having some muscle is ideal, but I'd say that being lanky is preferable to being chubby, from my observations. I mean, those skinny-ass skater boy types seem to absolutely slay.
/r/seduction15/06/21 01:43 AM
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While many people with anxiety turn to alcohol or other drugs in order to lower their inhibitions, my anxiety actually makes me too scared to get wasted, because I fear losing control of my actions and embarassing myself. So, I'm pretty much sober all the time. I cold approach sober, because dulling my faculties would probably only make me slower on my feet.
/r/seduction14/06/21 05:18 AM
2

This may be the least expensive option. "Where is he?" "Oh, he must be camouflaged really well right now."
/r/seduction31/05/21 08:25 AM
1

This is a really good suggestion. Not as expensive as a pinball machine, won't wake up the roommates, doesn't require as much brain power as card or board games in case I'm pulling somebody after a party or a night of dancing and we're both tired, etc. Thanks!
/r/seduction31/05/21 05:11 AM
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Yeah, Cards Against Humanity just ain't my style of humour. People also rarely try to create humour from clever juxtaposition between cards, but rather just by going for the most edgy card, regardless of context. But I also realize that being the sort of over-critical spoilsport who overanalyzes Cards Against Humanity is exactly the kind of energy that makes girls think I'm weird and no fun, so I should probably make an appointment for a lobotomy to remove that part of my personality.
/r/seduction31/05/21 03:54 AM
5

I guess my only reservation about the karaoke machine is that I've got roommates, and if I were to bring somebody home with me from a club late 3:00 AM, I feel that it would be impolite to start belting out "(I've Had) The Time of My Life" with a girl as they all try to sleep.
/r/seduction31/05/21 02:28 AM
3

Um, an ego boost?
/r/seduction31/05/21 12:11 AM
14

Eh, I like to show a little more intent than just asking for somebody's number under the pretense that I'm trying to start a book club or something. Also, I'd be weary of immediately putting people into boxes like that. Just because she "likes to read" doesn't mean that the primary thing she's looking for in a guy is somebody whose read all the same books as her. That might just be a point of commonality to get a conversation started, but she might still be more interested in a guy who just make…
/r/seduction25/05/21 07:14 AM
21

This. People are too in their heads about winning some stupid brain war that they haven't considered the fact that maybe she fell off the radar because she was legitimately going through some shit, but is genuinely interested in reconnecting. And since she's a chick and isn't used to initiating, she doesn't know what to do other than send non-substantial texts and hope that this somehow turns into a conversation (chicks have zero game because they usually don't have to have any). If it does turn…
/r/seduction19/05/21 06:59 PM
6

There's no right or wrong answer here. It only depends on if you want to talk to her again or not. We can't tell you that.
/r/seduction19/05/21 06:53 PM
1

Thanks, this post is helpful. I also often find that saying something that elicits an emotional response (like a joke or cold read) leads to better outcomes than just polite conversation and "getting-to-know-you" questions (I like how you put it, "21 Questions"). Sometimes, my problem is that after I make her laugh, I don't know where to go from there, because I don't want to drive the joke into the ground by adding onto it past the point of humour, but I also don't want to just default back to …
/r/seduction09/05/21 08:44 PM
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Wrong sub.
/r/seduction09/05/21 08:27 PM
5

If what got your attention was how overall sexy she is, but you want to avoid tension, play it safe, and tell her “I like your shoes” because you think that’s what she wants to hear, that’s going to come off as lame, inauthentic, or even…creepy. It probably just won’t feel right to her. Certainly not powerful. Can you elaborate on this? I usually try to compliment choices people made (accessories, attire, hairstyle, etc.) rather than their physical features, but sometimes come across a woman I w…
/r/seduction09/05/21 06:42 PM
2

I'm excited. Thanks for doing this!
/r/seduction08/05/21 08:05 PM
3

Keep at it!
/r/seduction26/04/21 12:01 PM
0

I find that with many skills, my "practice" ends up not really being practice at all, because I keep on repeating the same mistakes and lack the ability to assess what I did wrong and keep it in mind so that I can improve for next time. I just go on autopilot and don't realize I made the same mistake again until after it's over. I can't calibrate in real-time. So for me, I think looking at more theory and internalizing it helps. There do exist the people who just use "I can't go out until I lear…
/r/seduction25/04/21 08:36 PM
13

It's easier to sell PUA products when you can convince people that these magic words will work even if you're 4'10" and 240 lbs.
/r/seduction25/04/21 08:19 PM
20

Guys don't care about confidence in women as much as women do in men. We're more willing to look past insecurities (unless they manifest in ways that are unhealthy for a relationship, such as being overly needy or always being scared that your partner doesn't find you attractive or plans to leave you or something). Maybe it's a gendered thing. Women being socialized to want men to be protectors, men being socialized to expect to be protectors, etc. We'll just find shyness in girls cute. That sai…
/r/seduction24/04/21 08:26 PM
16

Let's be real, almost anything can be said if somebody gives off the right vibes, and no permutation of words will work if somebody doesn't give off the right vibes.
/r/seduction21/04/21 03:34 AM
20

Why do you need to know if she has a boyfriend beforehand? If she rejects you, she rejects you. It doesn't matter if the reason is that she has a boyfriend, or some other reason. Girls who have boyfriends will naturally filter themselves out on their own without you checking first, because they won't go out with you. Unless you're afraid that your game will unintentionally get so good, that girls who have boyfriends will go out with you, and you'll be totally unaware it's happening, because you …
/r/seduction21/04/21 03:30 AM
3

Doesn't asking for advice imply that you have trouble, when you probably want to create the impression that you don't have any troubles with this and already have a lot of options (pre-selection)?
/r/seduction21/04/21 03:26 AM
1

You sound like you're doing just fine, then, and advice about being more assertive or dominant doesn't apply to you.
/r/seduction03/04/21 10:03 AM
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I think the point is that, if you're dominant and assertive, you can't know if any given thing you say is going to lead to conflict, because you don't know how other people will react, or who will be rubbed the wrong way by you unabashedly expressing yourself. The point isn't seeking out conflict. It's just not second-guessing all your actions and trying to moderate yourself for fear of somebody having a negative reaction. It's going, "if people don't like me, that's okay, because I don't have t…
/r/seduction02/04/21 10:06 PM
1

Jesus, this is my exact same problem. I have no problem talking to artsy girls, academic bookworm girls, musician girls, girls who have some kind of hobby or passion. Even if it's something I myself have no interest in, like finance or business management, the fact that she's interested in it allows me to pick her brain and find a way to create a mutually enjoyable conversation. But some girls literally have no hobbies. I get the exact same answer. "Lol, hanging out with friends and Netflix." Th…
/r/seduction22/03/21 12:17 AM
41

People 100% regret getting shot.
/r/seduction22/03/21 12:01 AM
2

If you're already getting more attention and the rest of your problems are simply due to your attitude, just know that a lot of guys envy you and think that you aren't taking advantage of what you have. Either ignore your self-defeating thoughts and go after what you want. Or don't. I can't make you.
/r/seduction21/03/21 02:26 PM
10

You not think it’s arrogant to just sssume everyone who vents and complains needs therapy? What happened to free speech and opinion? How is suggesting therapy in any way a contravention on freedom of speech?
/r/seduction21/03/21 02:24 PM
2

The analogy between yoga and sex doesn't really work. Yoga doesn't require partners. Sex does. So, on some level, your ability to have sex with people indicates how much other people are willing to have sex with you. People generally prefer to have sex with people they find attractive in some respect. If nobody wants to have sex with you, that indicates that nobody finds you attractive. We're a social species. We want to be held in high esteem by our peers. You can go on about how you don't care…
/r/seduction25/02/21 03:31 PM
1

Saying that we are predisposed to enjoying and wanting sex due to evolutionary adaptation is different from saying it's a "biological need" life food. How the fuck do monks and nuns exist? Lol. I'd compare it less to the need to eat, and more to the predisposition to enjoying high-carb, palatable foods. Foods high in simple carbs, like sugars, provide a lot of quickly accessible energy and calories for exertion when compared to carbs that slowly digest, or other macros such as protein and fat. B…
/r/seduction25/02/21 03:14 PM
1

You die. Then again, you also die if you did have sex all your life. Turn out you die regardless of what you did all your life.
/r/seduction25/02/21 02:53 PM
1

It’s frankly a corrosive mindset that perpetuates toxic traits such as toxic masculinity. No sex is better than coercive sex. No sex is better than date rape. No sex is better than some sex because some sex is awful. I think it was understood by most people that the discussion was being limited to consensual sex, so "having no sex is better than raping or being raped" is true, but seems to have little bearing on the topic at hand.
/r/seduction25/02/21 02:50 PM
2

I never even considered that. Upvoted for insightful hypothesis, m8!
/r/seduction21/01/21 10:05 PM
2

Yeah, my problem is taking other people's opinions of me less seriously. If that happened to me, I would probably let it ruin my week and question my moral integrity ("Oh my god, am I really a creep? Am I just another threatening misogynist, despite telling myself I'm not? Am I a terrible person?") instead of just recognizing that whatever just occurred was the chick's problem and not mine.
/r/seduction21/01/21 10:04 PM
2

People who want to sell a product (most "PUA" guys) have to convince lonely men that there are cheat codes to attraction, that there are some magic words or actions you can perform to make any woman in the world fall in love with you, as if they aren't all individuals who are already coming to the interaction with their own preferences and situations that you just might not fit. So, that's where the idea that "you can get any girl, if you just convince her" comes from. But even if you can't rely…
/r/seduction21/01/21 10:00 PM
10

It's a balance. Girls want to have a good time and be with a guy who provides a good time. They want to avoid confronting negative feelings. If you are judgemental toward them and shame them about their choices or how they express themselves around you, you will become a source of negative feelings, and they will avoid you. But that's different from just agreeing with everything they say, being a dittohead in order to please them, and not having any personality, boundaries, or identity yourself.…
/r/seduction29/12/20 07:58 PM
2

If it's incompatible with your values and wants, then yeah, empty sex with people you're not interested in beyond physical attraction is not a good idea. But there's also nothing wrong with that if it isn't against your personal value system, so long as you're not misleading or leading the other party on. It's purely personal choice. You just do you.
/r/seduction04/12/20 03:26 PM
4

As a straight dude, I check out attractive or fit men. I'm like, "damn, I wonder how high my bench numbers have to be to have triceps like that," or "that guy has a perfect jawline and cheekbones… I bet he slays." It's from a position of admiration, rather than resentment. I believe that if you don't respect success, you can't really expect to have it. Unless somebody who I know who is legit an asshole also happens to be successful. Then I curse the heavens. But like, it is what it is. The world…
/r/seduction30/11/20 02:52 PM
1

As a rule of thumb, I don't tend to ask out girls who are on the job. They are being paid to be nice to you, so it makes it awkward for them if they feel like they have to be nice to you while wanting to reject you. That being said, only the Sith deals in absolutes, and if I can tell from the vibes that she'd actually be open and I'm not just mistaking her professionalism for interest, I'll shoot my shot. I've gone out with girls that I've asked out while they were working. The approach was real…
/r/seduction06/11/20 04:43 AM
9

Depending on if you're genetically gifted and lucked out with respect to fat distribution, having that curvy mix of muscle can actually be quite desirable (that's what we tend to call being "thicc" with two C's). But of course, you've got to do it for you, pursuing the aesthetic you want and doing what's best for your health instead of trying to please somebody else, so good luck on the rest of your fitness journey and getting back into your routine! ✊
/r/seduction28/10/20 09:40 PM
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You might squat 315, you might be able to do X or Y, but you're not capable of just putting on a 10$ shirt, going out, and being attractive. Damn, I feel this. I squat 355 lbs. and lift approximately three times a week, but since I have shitty willpower when it comes to food, I am still nowhere near lean and have more of a skinnyfat physique. If I don't get back on my diet wagon, I'm either going to wind up with a dadbod, or eventually graduate to full-on "I can squat 500 lbs. but still look lik…
/r/seduction28/10/20 03:18 PM
6

I've found that over time meditating before and after going out gets you into an ongoing state of non-attachment with women because you're literally training your brain to not to be invested in women too much!! How does that work if I'm aware the entire time that my purpose for meditating before going out is to do better with women?
/r/seduction18/10/20 01:27 AM
1

This sub isn't really a "rate my face sub," but yeah, I'd say the average guy would find you attractive. I tend to dig pale girls, but mostly when their pale skin is contrasted with dark hair. When the eyebrows are too pale, it can make them look as though they lack eyebrows at all, so I definitely prefer darker eyebrows on pale-skinned girls. Maybe try a shade or two darker? Just penciling them in a bit? Not too dark, or it will just look obviously unnatural like some Instagram "influencer." Of…
/r/seduction30/09/20 06:53 AM
1

I don't claim to know the actual success rate or effectiveness of any YouTube PUA guy. There's no way to tell they aren't paying actresses, that they actually have the count they claim, etc. All you can really do is try out some tips and see if they work for you. Keep the ones that do, discard the ones that don't.
/r/seduction29/09/20 06:57 PM
1

If I'm not interested by a girl because all she does is talk or not talk at all, then I will stop. Well, I mean, yeah, if I'm looking to date somebody, I want somebody with whom I feel I have mutually enjoyable and equal communication, whom I legitimately find interesting and intelligent, etc. But when you're just trying to get laid because she's hot, but you wouldn't want to date her, nothing wrong with performing the right steps to make such an outcome more likely, so long as you aren't deceiv…
/r/seduction29/09/20 06:55 PM
2

Going in the opposite direction and trying to "neg" or be a dick rarely works, either. You have to be playful and not afraid to tease, but you still have to be a decent and respectful human being. That "treat them like dirt" shit is a meme.
/r/seduction29/09/20 06:49 PM
2

I think one thing to note is that the majority of women don't really watch porn like the majority of men do, so the women that do watch porn already have a difference from most women that might also correlate to what kinds of things they are attracted to in their personal romantic and sexual relationships. Also, from the research I've seen, when it comes to women who like porn, they tend to like pretty much the same porn that men like, instead of being drawn to "feminine-aimed" porn. Perhaps the…
/r/seduction29/09/20 06:47 PM
1

This is true to an extent, but it only goes so far. A lot of girls feel like they are being scrutinized when they are asked to talk at length about their interests, ambitions, and life choices. Acting so interested that you behave as through everything about them is fascinating can come off as overbearing and a bit clingy. But there are definitely girls who just want to talk about themselves all day. There have been a few times where I get a girl comfortable enough that she talks all day long an…
/r/seduction29/09/20 06:43 PM
2

I hate how this sub has just become memes, but damn, this one is actually funny
/r/seduction22/09/20 08:47 PM
8

I think there's truth to it, but also that it doesn't fit the purpose of this subreddit. I come here to improve the best I can with what I have. I go to other subreddits to whine and vent about how unfair life is. Some whining and venting is fine, so long as I do it to get it out of my system and pick myself back up.
/r/seduction23/08/20 03:41 PM
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You know, I think I just wouldn't waste time trying to AMOG and tear down another guy, and would just try to have fun and see where the interaction goes. If she likes him more than me, whatever, there are other girls out there. Since when is being catty "high value?" Whenever a dude enters a set, I just talk to him, too.
/r/seduction13/08/20 11:08 PM
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But I can decide who a woman will be attracted to and who a woman won't be just by my frame, bro! I learned it in an RSDTyler video, bro!
/r/seduction13/08/20 11:04 PM
1

Yeah, height matters a lot to women. However, there's no sense fretting over something you can't change. You're at a disadvantage (well, I don't even think 5'6" is that short, so you're not that poorly off), but that doesn't mean you can't offset and make up for it with shit you can change. Just put all your skill points into fitness, charisma, humour, etc. You can change that shit. You'll have to work harder than tall guys do, but hey, that's life, fella. Next time somebody gives you shit about…
/r/seduction11/07/20 08:14 PM
2

Literally the only times I remember being put off by an advance by an even passably attractive woman are the times where they've said something kinda racist. So pretty much, don't say anything that's any kind of -ist, and you can literally do or say anything and any single heterosexual man is going to respond well. You could literally ask, "wanna have sex?" This doesn't bother men the same way it bothers women.
/r/seduction06/07/20 08:59 PM
1

And they will build statues of you. They will honour you as Crate_Mate, the man who couldn't have scrolled past, because he is too driven by duty and the love of his country for that to have ever been an option. Brings a tear to my eye. May the statue stand on the spot that you have fallen for all time.
/r/seduction24/06/20 01:40 PM
0

We are now officially engaged in conversation. I now have full paragraph rights (Statute of Rome, 1998).
/r/seduction24/06/20 01:34 PM
2

Not taking your own advice and scrolling past things you disagree with Writing paragraphs of text to explain why people shouldn't respond to thinks The ABSOLUTE STATE of your self awareness. Are you a person who has fallen?
/r/seduction24/06/20 01:30 PM
2

Yeah, making fun of autistic people is no different from making fun of people who've slipped and fallen. As somebody who has slipped and fallen, I identify with autistic people, to the point of insisting that "people who have fallen" should be added to the autistic-disorder spectrum. I mean, it literally takes you from high-functioning to low-functioning in two seconds flat.
/r/seduction24/06/20 01:29 PM
3

Yeah, this is pretty much me.
/r/seduction20/06/20 09:04 PM
10

I've just put cold approaching on hold until… well, I don't even know until what? Enough herd immunity via vaccine? The numbers to get low enough that I don't feel like it's socially irresponsible to chat up random girls? All I know is that now doesn't feel like the right time to me. I'm past my mid-20s, so I just hope the situation changes soon enough that I can still catch up on wasted youth before I'm out of my 20s. But this situation could last for up to another two years, if a vaccine is po…
/r/seduction20/06/20 08:59 PM
23

"Inappropriate" as in "too vulgar for any respectable person to express," or "inappropriate" as in "not fitting the context of this sub?" Because yes.
/r/seduction09/06/20 06:07 PM
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We have unlimited ways of contacting someone in this day and age, there's no need to stop trying. This. If a girl gives you her IG or Snapchat or whatever instead of her number, it could be because she doesn't want you to have her number… but it could also be because she has a shitty phone plan and has to pay for texting, has an out-of-area number, just plain prefers these platforms over SMS, whatever. Don't make any assumptions. If she doesn't go out with you, cool. If she does, even cooler.
/r/seduction05/06/20 08:57 PM
1

Some people just use Instagram's DM service instead of SMS. It's not a big deal.
/r/seduction05/06/20 08:55 PM
2

Unless I can think of something contextually clever on the spot that actually relates to our current surroundings, I just default to a compliment about something she's wearing, the way she has her hair, her tattoos, something like that. Then I might try to spin a cold read from that ("you look like the kind of person who does X").
/r/seduction02/06/20 07:09 PM
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"Excuse me, do you have the time?" "3:19." "T-thanks." Time opener is indeed garbage. Pick something they can't be answered so easily with one word and instead might actually lead to a conversation.
/r/seduction02/06/20 05:21 PM
10

Where I live, even though gathering size limits are slowly increasing, people are still required to distance themselves two meters apart. I can't imagine continuing to cold approach while wearing a mask and plenty of people being understandably tense and on edge in public settings. I'm just giving it a break until things look better.
/r/seduction02/06/20 05:18 PM
2

Don’t touch my ass unless I expressly put your hand there I don't put people's hands on my butt unless they expressly put them there or give me the ok.
/r/seduction28/02/20 09:09 AM
1

Sounds good, I'd be open to winging with you. I've been pretty busy this last little while and haven't gone out in a bit, but I should be in the clear fairly soon. Let's keep in touch! —Joe
/r/seduction31/01/20 04:58 AM
1

I'm still open to have more wings. Heck, we could form a group.
/r/seduction04/12/19 11:35 PM
1

Yeah, sure! This next little while is pretty busy for me (end of semester), but it'd be cool to do something soon
/r/seduction04/12/19 11:35 PM
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Ask will this opinion even matter when you're older You're older I thought this was a really clever way of making a point, but then I read You'll regret letting other people make your life choices Your life choices And I realized that the guy who made this poster just screwed up.
/r/seduction25/11/19 08:12 PM
2

I unfortunately live with my parents, so I can't ask people to come over and Netflix + chill. It makes it hard, because it takes a lot of the initiative out of my hands, and I have to hope that I wind up with girl who (1) has got her own place, and (2) invites me to her place. Pretty much, I have to hope that the stars align. That actually happened not too long ago. I put on a shitty movie (The Hangover— damn, I'd never seen it, and 20 minutes in, neither of us had laughed at this shitty bro com…
/r/seduction25/11/19 08:02 PM
2

I've lifted up and spun women at clubs before. Granted, it wasn't immediately after seeing them, and was after some conversation, flirting, rapport-building, etc. One girl was into me, but simply didn't like being lifted up because it scared her (we still continued dancing and chatting and flirting, though). Another one didn't seem into me and kinda politely drifted away from me during the course of the night, but she wasn't offended or angry and it certainly didn't get me kicked out. Another wa…
/r/seduction25/11/19 07:50 PM
2

My dance-floor and club game in general is severely lacking (I do more daygame, and am at a loss at how to even proceed at night game), so regardless of how silly this sounds, I'm willing to at least field-test it. Only problem is that many clubs get so packed, you're essentially sardines, and you wouldn't even have room to lift a girl up and spin her around.
/r/seduction25/11/19 07:46 PM
3

I'd say self-improvement is definitely necessary to be more successful with "9s and 10s," but you shouldn't wait until you think you are "good enough" to approach them. Approach them now, even if just for practice reducing anxiety talking to hot women for when you yourself are hotter, or for the off-chance that one of them will actually already be into you before you've even ascended to Chad-dom.
/r/seduction25/11/19 07:42 PM
12

A friend once told me "you already have the 'no.'" If you don't approach somebody because you think she's too attractive for you, the end result is exactly the same as if you approached and got rejected (not getting her number). You've already been rejected if you don't even try. The only difference is that you've rejected yourself, instead of at least extending the courtesy to let her make the decision for herself.
/r/seduction25/11/19 07:40 PM
2

Yeah, I find field reports amongst the most useful content. Even field reports from fellow amateurs who didn't have the most successful night, but an analyze how and why and are reporting on shit that actually happened, have helped me more than those talking-head YouTube videos by some guy claiming to have this one weird trick for bedding any woman.
/r/seduction25/11/19 07:37 PM
4

I just take out my headphones when I want to talk to somebody. It's not like I'm committed to wearing them for the rest of eternity once I put them in.
/r/seduction21/11/19 12:41 AM
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Side note, but I never really realized how much social interaction revolves around food and drink for me until I started trying to set up dates with gym rats. "Wanna get a drink at this pub?" "I can't drink for the next six weeks, I have a competition coming up." "Wanna get food at this restraunt?" "Eh, I can't eat that right now." "Wanna do this activity that has nothing to do with any substances that we will be putting in our bodies?" "Eh, that's too late for me. I have to be in bed by eight o…
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:23 AM
7

The sun setting at, like, 4:30 makes me feel like I'll look like a serial killer if i try to say "hi" to a girl in the early evening. Thanks, celestial orbit and daylight savings.
/r/seduction18/11/19 03:22 AM
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And while I'm on my soap box, let me clarify for all you readers that "bettering yourself" won't get you more girls. Working out more wont get you more girls. Getting a pay raise wont get you more girls. What will get you more girls? Not putting on a show- being true to who you are as a man. Honestly I think it depends where your life is. A lot of people are given the "improve yourself" advice, and it just fuels their pre-existing anxieties that they aren't "good enough" yet to talk to girls, an…
/r/seduction18/11/19 01:06 AM
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Sometimes girls want to avoid any possible conflict or awkwardness in person, so they just give you their number and either let you down over text or just ghost. I've gotten a lot of "I should have mentioned, I have a boyfriend!"s. It's fine. You just accept it and move on to the next one, like OP did here. Although yeah, not that it would have affected anything in this case, but "going to the gym together" is not a fucking date.
/r/seduction18/11/19 12:56 AM
1

1-800-267-2001
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:06 PM
1

Great way to make her assume you're a missionary.
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:05 PM
0

Different people will respond in different ways. Some girls I've hit on who were not interested were still very flattered, and even thanked me or told me how impressed they were that I approached. Others treated me like I had no right to even dare approach them or be in their presence. Sometimes other factors play a role. I find that girls in clubs, for instance, are a bit more hostile and dismissive when I approach them, probably because being seen talking to a less attractive guy could hurt th…
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:37 PM
11

nothing turns a woman on more than feeling desirable I think it's feeling desired by a guy who is himself desirable. Seeing a high-status guy who could have any woman he wants, but wants you, I think that's what turns women on. Being desired by some unattractive guy makes them go "ugh he's so creepy, I wish I were invisible to these people," though.
/r/seduction14/11/19 12:58 AM
1

Also when she asked me were i live i told her that i live in my mums basement, and told me "U cant say that to girls" i ignored what she and replied "Its really cozy, i like to bring girls over and i have my mum make some tasty sandwhiches. REALLY ROMANTIC" then she cracked up laughing again. This works because most girls are used to guys trying to impress them "Ohh i have an nice appartment," "Ohh i have alot of money" "OHh im so cool" etc. Isntead i pretend to be a loser in a cocky way that it…
/r/seduction14/11/19 12:02 AM
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I've come to the opinion that there is no such thing as "texting game," and that if you don't make a good impression on the initial approach when you first get her number, or things change in her life afterward, making her no longer interested, there is nothing you can text her that will change her mind. Doesn't matter if it's short or long; witty and playful, or terse and to-the-point. She's already made up her mind. I'm open to having my opinion changed, though, and will watch the video when I…
/r/seduction13/11/19 03:50 AM
3

I once cold-approached a girl who turned out to be one of those MLMers. Thankfully, she divulged that when I first met her, instead of baiting me into a fake date or anything. She told me not long into the conversation that she has a boyfriend, but would like my number anyway to tell me about some "business opportunity." She also mentioned that she and her boyfriend just started this business venture, and plan to retire within five years (fucking LOL). She was nice and considerate of my time by …
/r/seduction10/11/19 01:37 AM
1

Whatever you wanna do, bro. There's no "true answer" other than the one you choose. For me personally, I don't like the idea of banging somebody just for the sake of it, or just so that I can say "I got laid." I'd rather not have sex at all than have sex with somebody I've got zero attraction to. I won't sleep with a fatty just to "break a dry spell," and I don't just grab anybody who's accessible because nobody else is available. Would I get laid more often if i lowered my standards? Probably. …
/r/seduction10/11/19 12:17 AM
2

Hmm. Well, I think I might have gone on one, maybe two dates in my life with women I've met at clubs, and have gone on dates with maybe 30 women that I've met through daygame cold approaches. I find that attractive women at clubs seem to have these shields up and can sometimes even be rude. I only see them be receptive to tall, muscular, "hot" guys, and normal folks like me don't seem to have a chance. At least with daygame, I can have an actual conversation with them, show them some of my perso…
/r/seduction08/11/19 09:02 PM
6

I've experienced the opposite. I've been doing daygame for a while, and find it so much easier than nightgame.
/r/seduction07/11/19 09:36 PM
4

I would say that it is true that it's easier for women to have as many sexual partners as they please and sleep around if they see fit than it is for men, as it's a lot easier for women to find men who would be willing to sleep with them then vice versa. Does this justify slut-shaming? I don't think so. Because of the effort required for men to bed women, sure, I may congratulate a man who is a "stud," and assign positive value to his ability to have many partners. But I don't see why it should …
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:01 PM
1

Well, she's already a little bit younger than I am. The other girl I'm still going on dates with, by some measures, she might be considered "hotter" (she's one of those fitness types and what the internet might call "dummy thicc"), though she's also older than I am. Do I just bring the girl I'm still going on dates with along when I meet the girl who has lost interest? The party thing I'm going to also tends to have attractive girls, but there's no guarantee that I'll be successful with my appro…
/r/seduction26/10/19 04:16 AM
1

You're not supposed to blatantly ignore them for the whole entire set or pretend to dislike them. If it's to the point where the target is walking away, then you're not doing enough to engage the entire group, being social enough, and you ARE ignoring the target too much or for too long. In my experience, it can be literally within minutes they she disengaged, so I don't think it's a matter of "ignoring her too long." The fact that the girls in the set who do stick around seem interested in the …
/r/seduction25/10/19 02:14 PM
31

I think in the beginning stages of courting, whether we like it or not, there is a bit of a "game" to be played. Not showing all one's cards, managing the impressions one presents, appearing to not be too needy, giving them some of that "will they, won't they." It's not that I dismiss the whole "cat and ball of yarn" theory, it's just that I think it's crazy for people to go overboard with it to the point where they are in their heads about it, make everything out to be some Machiavellian power …
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:30 PM
173

This whole "be aloof and pretend not to be interested in them" only works if you're attractive enough in the first place that they will notice and care that you are not into them. So many sets where I've directed my attention primarily to the girls I'm less interested in, and the one I actually was interested in didn't give a rat's ass or even just walked away. It's less about pretending not to be interested or even to dislike them, and more about not being so overwhelmingly interested that it's…
/r/seduction24/10/19 06:36 PM
4

Didn't read this entire essay, but the whole "hurr durr I don't waste time on dates I just ask girls if they are DTF and they come right over" thing only works for guys who are already smoking-hot hunks. The amount of effort you have to put into taking the time to get girls comfortable and acquainted to your personality is inversely proportional to your looks. Most of us are of average looks, so we can't just go to the club, throw a chick over our shoulder, and take them home. We have to instead…
/r/seduction18/10/19 10:31 PM
3

Is it really a good idea to try to do this in a "professional setting?" Like, I get you won't get in trouble because you're a woman and nobody will accuse you of being creepy or harassing, but still, you might get him in trouble. Otherwise, just go for it. You have an 80% chance of getting a "yes" by just fucking asking because approaching guys as a woman is easymode. There's really no "trick" to it.
/r/seduction14/10/19 07:08 AM
2

Underrated comment. Better than OP.
/r/seduction14/10/19 06:20 AM
1

Mystery called this "buyer's remorse." If you move too quickly into the "seduction" phase without enough comfort-building, even though she may get caught up in the intensity of the moment and be down to make out with you, when she looks back on it, she'll start to feel self-conscious and guilty about the fact that she got so intimate with "somebody she hardly knows," will regret it and will ghost you. A lot of studies have shown that women tend to have less liberal views and less positive attitu…
/r/seduction30/08/19 12:19 AM
2

I agree with the principle from the OP that a girl will inevitably feel there is "no chemistry" if you don't make a move quickly enough (I've learned this the hard way from experience), but I also agree with you that it's not an automatic fail-state if the kiss didn't happen by the first date. It depends on the general vibe of the dates and the people involved, but in most cases, the window is probably more like two dates.
/r/seduction30/08/19 12:10 AM
6

The entire family tree lined up to kiss this lucky bastard.
/r/seduction30/08/19 12:08 AM
2

A little trick I use is partway through the date, I say "this feels to much like a job interview" and sit adjacent to her rather than directly across from her. From this position, I can start making physical contact. I've also sometimes chosen to sit next to her rather than adjacent from her. I used to be hesitant to do this because of the whole stigma against "same-side sitters," but then I figured, why should I care about that? Because the waitress might mockingly make some Seinfeld reference …
/r/seduction30/08/19 12:04 AM
2

I could see this working on Tinder or an actual date, where the fact that you've matched or have agreed to meet sets the expectation that she's supposed to hold up her end of a conversation, but would it work with girls who aren't immediately invested when you cold approach them? My instinct would be that it would offend them, because they'd be thinking "I'm not boring, I just don't want to talk to you," so a more cordial tactic of dealing with the sorts that shit-test you by being unresponsive …
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:14 PM
1

Yeah, man. I had the same situation. I was the youngest kid in my family. Nobody is really listening to what I'm saying. And my father has been really impatience man, he could yell on me if I say something wrong. Hence I was scared to talk and preferred to keep silence. And my storytelling skills didn't evolve. Sounds like we had similar upbringings. My dad has anger issues and would blow up on us for making the smallest mistakes. Being around him is like walking on eggshells. Things are calm on…
/r/seduction19/08/19 03:00 PM
1

Haha, well if you're ever in Calgary for a weekend or something, drop me a line!
/r/seduction19/08/19 02:43 PM
1

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/r/seduction18/08/19 06:24 AM
11

I've been thinking about how I need to improve my oral storytelling. I have the problem of getting to the "punchline" or resolution of the story too quickly and then working backward to fill in the context. I do this because I'm worried that people will stop listening quite quickly if the point of my story isn't immediately apparent. I "get to the point" so quickly that I kill any suspense and tension, and don't make the story engaging. I also speak way too quickly and don't pause enough, fillin…
/r/seduction17/08/19 09:58 PM
1

Plenty of studies have shown that more women have racial preferences in dating than men do, and that their preferences are stricter.
/r/seduction17/08/19 08:36 AM
3

To be fair, this goes for all PUA marketers, up to and including guys like Mystery, the RSD guys, whomever. I'm not saying that it's all absolutely a fraud. Just that we can't really know one way or another, so skepticism is always warranted. I obviously wouldn't come here if I didn't think any of the material was worth reading and giving an honest try (most of the tips OP gives sound logical to me). All we can really do is read it with an open-albeit-skeptical mind, see what fits with us and wo…
/r/seduction14/08/19 10:46 PM
15

If he says to use that line, then clearly there are a bunch of women that like it and works on. This is assuming OP is actually the Casanova he says he is and isn't just another internet marketer making money off of socially awkward men by claiming to have the secret to attracting women without having to show any proof he regularly employs these tricks and that they actually work for him. 1 rule of dating advice for a guy: don’t take dating advice from a woman I have no qualms with this part of …
/r/seduction14/08/19 10:12 PM
3

attention *Ad revenue when people visit his site This is the thing with a lot of pickup advice I see. The general principles of what to do seem good, and a lot of them anecdotally increase the smoothness of my interactions. But the specific examples of things to say are almost always terrible and tone-deaf. If these lines work for you, you're probably already a Chad who can say anything and still get laid.
/r/seduction14/08/19 10:09 PM
2

Sounds like you have the same problem I do: not knowing what to do after the opener. Whether I get a good conversation after the opener or not seems to depend entirely on how willing the other party is to immediately open up and carry their end of the conversation. Which is fine, but it makes it so that I have no control over the situation, and no opportunity to win over the "maybe" girls who need more talking to before getting hooked. Traditional game's solution for this is called "routine stac…
/r/seduction28/07/19 08:59 PM
7

I also don't like Peterson very much. He tries to come off as this public intellectual, but he's more of a conservative pundit spouting your typical "traditionalist" talking points crossed with a motivational self-help speaker. He comes off to some as more insightful than he is because he is soft-spoken and non-threatening, unlike your typical Fox News talking heads. But his rhetoric is pretty similar, but with some Freudian and Jungian psychoanalysis (which doesn't even hold much currency in ma…
/r/seduction27/07/19 07:03 PM
5

They only notice and care if they are already interested in you. They agonize to their friends about how that guy their thirst-trap selfie was secretly aimed at trapping didn't even view it, despite the fact that he used to view her IG stories. They don't notice or care when you or I stop viewing their stories, though. But who cares? You won't get anywhere by being obsessed with what women are thinking about you and whether you can influence them into chasing you with subtle little tricks like n…
/r/seduction24/07/19 02:41 AM
3

"What trouble are you two sisters getting into today?" Pretending to mistake them for sisters usually gets them smiling, despite how cliché it is.
/r/seduction20/07/19 11:15 PM
1

"Date" Bro…
/r/seduction20/07/19 10:54 PM
3

I’ll decide when I want company, and message 3 or 4 girls What happens when every single one of them declines or ghosts? Despite tending to pursue more than one person at a time, this happens to me all the time.
/r/seduction20/07/19 07:07 PM
2

I think it goes beyond just how your parents would talk about romantic relationships, and whether they'd patronize you about it. People like me had parents who were very critical and would become quite angry with any mistake their kids made. Holding them to a very high standard, and making it a big deal if that standard wasn't met. In situations like this, the kid doesn't feel safe to express themselves or be honest about vulnerabilities. Always walking on eggshells, knowing that any error will …
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:42 PM
1

That's true. I don't go clubbing often enough to really be able to get a read on the clientele. The one place I do go regularly (the goth place), all the faces are familiar now and it's rare that I see new people who catch my eye.
/r/seduction14/07/19 02:50 AM
1

I've been stone sober each time, whether it was one of the successful nights or one of the failure nights.
/r/seduction13/07/19 09:53 PM
3

Don't forget cupping and reading The Secret!
/r/seduction10/07/19 08:01 PM
25

In my experience, a lot of women are actually awkward and clumsy with flirting. It's just that guys are more likely to be understanding and tolerate that behaviour and not label her as "creepy" just because she engages in awkward behaviour like standing too close, staring too long, getting mumbly, etc.
/r/seduction07/07/19 09:05 PM
22

I know there are other women in this sub, and I swear we all can agree with this part: Well, I don't know if you can all agree with the idea that approaching women in public is good. It's really a toss-up. Some women, even if they aren't interested, aren't offended by a guy coming up to them and talking to them, and are even flattered by it. Others call the very same act "harassment," or will be cold to you, especially if they're the sort to need to keep up appearances by not being seen giving t…
/r/seduction08/06/19 12:02 AM
1

First relationship of five years started in fifth grade.
/r/seduction31/05/19 10:30 PM
2

ok
/r/seduction14/05/19 01:30 AM
11

That's called "hanging out as friends." If you spend time with somebody not intending for the possibility of a romantic or sexual interaction, stable or casual, you're hanging out as friends.
/r/seduction10/05/19 09:53 PM
4

I mean, I still enjoy going on dates that don't lead to anything, but as much as I enjoy them, they are a consolation prize to dates that do lead to something. Meeting people without having to fuck them is incredibly underrated. This is a weird attitude. Who goes on dates thinking, "oh god, I really hope I don't end up having chemistry with this person!"
/r/seduction10/05/19 06:27 PM
1

1.Non verbal communication, it is almost impossible to communicate through voice This so much. Reading Mystery Method, I have no idea what the fuck kind of clubs Mystery was going to that he was able to run these long-ass stacks of routines with openers, DHV stories, qualification, etc. etc. Was he shouting this shit over music? Was he going to tea parties instead of clubs? I'm not much of a clubber, so I've only tried night game a few times recently and… it's so much harder than daygame for me.…
/r/seduction06/05/19 02:40 AM
3

Honestly, I don't think it's rare for men to find talking to girls scarier than actually risking their own health and safety.
/r/seduction06/05/19 02:35 AM
1

Glenn. That's a dealbreaker name.
/r/seduction06/05/19 02:33 AM
1

I'm really sorry you're having these experiences. I've never been super successful and I'm going through a rut right now of seeming to have less success than ever, but I've still gotten much more than four dates through cold approaching, and I've also been doing this for about two years. I've gone on dates with over two dozen women, and while I end up getting rejected by all of them somewhere down the line (haven't gone more than four dates before she lost interest), that's at least more than 2 …
/r/seduction05/05/19 01:34 AM
2

I think so, yeah
/r/seduction03/05/19 10:58 PM
0

"White knight" means "agreeing with somebody who isn't me," right?
/r/seduction03/05/19 09:06 AM
0

Yes, because fedora'd neckbeards are known for graciously taking "no" as an answer. Seems like th real fedora is you, though I'm sure you'll insist it's a trilby and that those are appreciably different.
/r/seduction03/05/19 08:53 AM
177

"No worries!" That's literally all you need to type. Trying to be the "gamey alpha type who pushes past the no" only works in the stories of bullshit bloggers and and YouTubers. It doesn't work in real life (I've actually tried it a few times, against my better judgement—it doesn't go over as well as internet tough-guy Casanovas will lead you to believe, not everything is a "shit test" or whatever). Ignoring her completely will just make you look butthurt. Texting anything too long that tries to…
/r/seduction03/05/19 08:43 AM
1

I feel like I've been making an effort the last two semesters, but with few results. What if I can't turn things around next semester?
/r/seduction27/04/19 05:04 AM
5

Only invite them out to outings with the other girls you've slept with? I don't know, I've never been in a position to have this problem.
/r/seduction25/04/19 02:55 AM
17

I thought this was going to be some metaphorical shit telling us to "learn to walk before you run," which would make sense, because one probably needs basic social skills before they try PUA stuff. But it's literally about walking. That's hilarious. I think walking is "good exercise" for some people. Usually people who are quite heavy, so that walking is the most realistic exercise they can get. It also burns more calories for them, because they are moving more weight with each step. But, if you…
/r/seduction24/04/19 05:23 PM
41

Yeah, or… you could gradually make small sustainable changes to your life that you can realistically stick to past five days.
/r/seduction23/04/19 08:06 PM
2

If this isn't the saddest thread ever to be posted on this sub…
/r/seduction18/04/19 02:34 AM
4

Nah, she was the only attractive woman I saw on that train. Even if she weren't, in my experience, trying to game more than one girl at the same location during daygame just makes you look sleazy. I will approach more than one girl a day, but I make sure nobody sees me approach more than one person.
/r/seduction18/04/19 12:01 AM
1

Oh, and I forgot to mention a third type of woman who might not mention the boyfriend until later: some people are just really oblivious.
/r/seduction16/04/19 11:18 PM
1

Sometimes girls don't tell you they have a boyfriend right away, because they don't want to come off as the presumptuous "bitch" who responds to every interaction with a male with "I have a boyfriend." The sorts of women who are like this are probably a bit self-conscious about looking "bitchy," probably due to salty-ass dudes who have made them feel like "bitches" for no reason. Then there's another type of girl, the "monkey-brancher." She might fail to mention the boyfriend because she sees yo…
/r/seduction16/04/19 11:10 PM
2

The other thing bout working out is that it's actually quite easy. If you're thin and you start lifting consistently 2 days a week with protein supplements you'll see decent improvement in 3 months and will be decently big in a year. It's minimum investment with maximum returns to game. I think it depends on the person. Getting myself to stay on the fitness wagon is actually a lot harder for me then just cold approaching. I might go to the gym three to four times a week for a few months, and the…
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:57 PM
2

I approach so often that I don't even really keep track of how much I'm doing it. If I see an attractive woman, I'm more likely than not to approach her. I'll usually start with an observation or compliment, then try to start a conversation. Before I leave, I'll ask for her number.
/r/seduction16/04/19 03:49 PM
7

I'm guessing they started out as friends, acquaintances or colleagues, and gradually started dating? I think raw attractiveness can be less of an issue when the couple has gotten to know each other over time. Research even shows that though couples tend to have similar levels of attractiveness, the correlation between their attractiveness is weakened by the amount of time they knew each other before becoming a couple. My hunch is that this guy wouldn't have been able to pick her up from cold app…
/r/seduction16/04/19 02:20 PM
44

I'm beginning to think that one's body is really the #1 thing to keep on top of. I mean, people tell me I'm funny. I dress well. I take care of my hygiene, and probably have a more involved morning routine than most dudes. But I've got an average body. Not fat or anything, but skinnyfat. Not very tall, either. I'm losing this illusion that I just have to say or do the correct things to spark attraction, especially with 10s. It honestly feels like it doesn't matter what I say. I see attractive gu…
/r/seduction16/04/19 01:44 AM
1

It's funny, I actually almost exclusively do daygame. It's only recently that I've started trying nightgame. The vast majority of my dates have been from daygame cold approaches. One of the reasons I've been wanting to try more nightgame is that so many daygame cold-approach numbers flake. I'm thinking the more time they have, the easier it is for them to lose interest and get distracted, so may as well try my hand at going home with them the same night.
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:10 PM
3

I know what you mean. I went out twice this week. The first night, I went out to a club that wasn't really my scene, but I just forced myself to be in a happy, open attitude, approached a lot of girls, danced with a few, and had a fun time. I was still too nervous and cautious to try to escalate with any of them or do more than dance, but overall, I considered the night a success, even if I didn't pull. A couple nights later, I go out hoping to improve on the previous night. This time, I go to a…
/r/seduction08/04/19 03:42 AM
4

It'd be really funny if all the women and men you've told to go to hell actually went there and had a fun eternity of fornicating, and you remained in heaven all by yourself still unable to get laid.
/r/seduction07/04/19 02:41 AM
6

She gave you her Instagram so that she wouldn't have to give you her number. She rejected you. Move on.
/r/seduction07/04/19 02:33 AM
2

There's literally no rule or consensus that "women aren't wanted here." Their experience doesn't usually give them enough insight into men's dating experience to offer good advice on it, but they aren't prima facie discouraged from posting here. You also sound like you have a really shitty attitude. You're literally raging about a girl rejecting you. We all get rejected. That's just part of life. I would say "quit whining and move on to other girls," but I'd kinda feel sorry for whatever girls y…
/r/seduction07/04/19 02:32 AM
1

Ah okay, gotcha.
/r/seduction06/04/19 02:01 AM
1

I dunno, I don't think women like to feel like a second choice. I just don't see a woman who just saw you hit on somebody else and get rejected giving her number to you. In addition to feeling like choice #2, it kind of sounds like the opposite of pre-selection. Wouldn't seeing you get blown out lower your value in her eyes? I could imagine this being more successful during nightgame, where it's expected that people are going to try with multiple people, but during daygame, I feel like women wan…
/r/seduction06/04/19 01:47 AM
1

Learning when to put a foot down is also important, if someone is making fun of you because of your self-depreciation, straight-up tell them to stop. Just out of curiosity, how do you do that in a way that doesn't make you look butthurt or too affected? Not doing anything when you're insulted makes you look like you lack a spine. But getting upset makes you look too sensitive and fragile. How does a based alpha Chad deal with insults? In terms of replacing your humor, sarcasm is something that c…
/r/seduction05/04/19 08:19 AM
1

I went in direct, even though I usually go indirect, because I wanted to try it out, and was also tired of having those long, nice chats, only to find out she has a boyfriend later rather than sooner. I usually try to be friends with girls I hit on who aren't interested in dating, but I have enough friends now, so trying to keep in touch with every girl I chat to and have a nice conversation with just isn't practical anymore. After the "water" opener, I just told her straight up about how someti…
/r/seduction03/04/19 06:35 PM
1

It didn't work for me, though (Though she said she had a boyfriend, so hopefully that's why)
/r/seduction03/04/19 06:22 PM
2

I've used the "do you like water" line myself
/r/seduction03/04/19 05:18 PM
1

I feel like we need more field reports. Right now, we just have a lot of people promoting their YouTube channels (which I don't mind, but we need a better balance).
/r/seduction03/04/19 04:59 PM
1

I'm also Canadian. High-five for not getting mass-shot most of the time!
/r/seduction03/04/19 01:45 AM
1

Probably need an AMOG destroyer. Google that. I'm not well-versed in this myself, so I wouldn't be the guy to ask. I've also never experienced a guy getting angry at me when I was talking to a girl, either.
/r/seduction03/04/19 01:17 AM
3

I was going to remark on the ridiculousness of a club allowing people to just carry firearms inside, but then I remembered that we're probably talking about BurgerLand here.
/r/seduction03/04/19 01:14 AM
17

It's funny how I always hear women complain about men being unoriginal or boring, and yet when I see their Tinder convos, it's still the men putting all of the effort into being witty and funny. When the women try to be funny, it's usually in the form of memes I've seen before, or "lol I love tacos and eating [it's funny because I'm a pretty girl so you should expect me to be all dainty and pretty and fancy and shit, but actually I'm human and like to eat stuff haha]."
/r/seduction02/04/19 11:57 PM
2

You got to be somebody's teacher on their first day on the internet. You essentially took their virginity. See? Seduction works!
/r/seduction02/04/19 11:55 PM
3

I mostly do daygame and rarely do nightgame, but when I do do nightgame, the rejections tend to be very harsh, and the women seem to take pleasure in humiliating me. I walked up to one group, and before I could so much as tell them my name, one girl says, "go talk to those people, they said they liked you!" while pointing toward an empty corner of the room. Others would walk away from me mid-sentence. I made a joke to one about her red shoes (asking her if she gets transported home when she clic…
/r/seduction02/04/19 02:32 AM
1

Good that this works for you. I don't think it would work for me, though. I already have a problem of not being flirty enough or escalating enough, and it leads to my dates "not feeling a spark." I've noticed that I do better when I force myself to be flirtier.
/r/seduction28/03/19 03:25 AM
11

So, uh, how do you do this whole "don't act interested" thing when you're cold approaching?
/r/seduction25/03/19 05:39 PM
26

I'm starting to question this view, myself. It has been easy enough for me to follow, because I legitimately don't like texting "just to chat" because I find it easier to chat in person, and I prefer to use text only to set up dates or hangouts with friends. But what happens is that if I'm too busy to set a date up right away and have to wait more than a few days for my schedule to open up, by the time I text the girl and ask her out, she's already lost interest and DOESN'T RESPOND. I'm feeling …
/r/seduction19/03/19 01:37 AM
2

Thanks, mom
/r/seduction15/03/19 01:17 AM
2

That could totally happen if you completely shut down the girl from the interaction. Hmm. I don't think I do that. I don't even do anything as harsh as what Mystery suggests, such as reprimanding the target when she tries to enter the conversation ("Excuse me, I didn't ask you! I was asking your friend!") While talking with the rest of the group, mention your target by asking the others a question or two about her (these could be even qualification questions). And also make eye short eye contact…
/r/seduction13/03/19 06:02 PM
4

Ah, the "Mystery Method." Most times I've tried this, while I was chatting with the other people in the group, the woman I was actually interested in would check out or even leave. A couple weekends ago, I approach a two-set. I open both of them, but while I'm chatting with the other girl, the one I actually found attractive left without saying anything, and went home. I still invited the obstacle to the afterparty anyway just to be nice, but I had no interest in her. Another time, I cold approa…
/r/seduction12/03/19 05:37 PM
7

Okay, how do you do this "pretend to not care" shit when you haven't conveniently been assigned to a group with attractive women, and have to meet them through cold approaching?
/r/seduction12/03/19 03:16 PM
3

OP was probably looking for the term "stigmatized" rather than "demonized." I mean, nobody thinks that virgins are literally evil.
/r/seduction11/03/19 09:59 PM
17

I think only the people attractive enough to get regular casual sex are the ones who can afford to come to the realization that "long-term relationships are better." Like, that's probably true that they're better, but something will always be missing if I don't find that out for myself because I never got the chance. I wish I could be all, "yeah, I fucked around as a youngster. But now I'm past that." Seems a lot more honest than being like "…it's… it's probably not all that good, anyway."
/r/seduction11/03/19 08:07 PM
1

Being overweight is also stigmatized, despite the fact that about two-thirds of us (in the US and Canada, at least) are overweight. But then again, though few people see being overweight as ideal, few are really ridiculed for being overweight. For being obese, yeah, those people are bullied pretty roughly. But overweight? No guy is going to turn down an overall attractive woman just because she's got a paunch. And most men can still get a girlfriend despite not having abs like Ryan Reynolds or H…
/r/seduction11/03/19 08:03 PM
2

Googling "AMOG destroyers" will likely be of more use than anything I have to say, as I rarely encounter this (maybe as a consequence of being a daygame rather than a nightgame guy) and have little experience. But… maybe try thing like patroniongly encouraging the guy to hit on the girl, while giving the girl a knowing look that says "this loser, huh?" Say to the guy, "wow, you're doing great! Hit her with your best line, you're sure to reel her in!"
/r/seduction10/03/19 01:09 AM
1

I hear Vancouver has a much better woman:man ratio. But I can't justify moving to a place with that high a living cost just to get laid.
/r/seduction10/03/19 01:01 AM
7

Other than maybe buying a couple of books, I don't think that anybody should be spending money on learning pickup, anyway. The internet is full of free content supported by ad revenue. And since there's no way to verify if a "PUA" is a scam artist or not, at least all you've lost is a few hours of your time if you've listened to their YouTube videos and didn't have any success employing their methods.
/r/seduction10/03/19 12:58 AM
3

That sounds like a good idea, if you folks really live up to your username.
/r/seduction09/03/19 07:04 PM
9

🤔 I dunno, bro. I don't think there's any way to do this, and you might have to break up with her.
/r/seduction09/03/19 06:59 PM
5

You still need to approach groups. Attractive women are usually with friends. And if you spot one with friends, waiting and hovering around until she leaves her group for a while makes you look like a predator. If you encounter the "mean friend," just kill her with kindness whenever she interjects, and continue to engage the rest of the group. The group will realize how ridiculous she's being and might even resent her for trying to ruin the moment when a cool guy is talking to them.
/r/seduction09/03/19 03:14 AM
1

That might work. I'm just wondering if trying the "gamey" approach might come off as forced and insincere, given the image she already seems to have of me. Context: https://i.imgur.com/MPKDxWR.jpg
/r/seduction09/03/19 01:44 AM
1

But it's the men that choose whether it's a relationship or just sex. I guess. I've never gotten far enough to be able be in a position to make this choice. I think a lot of guys just latch onto the first woman that comes along, because if it's so hard to get one in the first place, why wouldn't they just settle down as a means of securing a regular source of validation and sex instead of continuing the gruelling task of finding people who are willing to have sex with them? I think this is one o…
/r/seduction08/03/19 06:14 PM
3

Please don't use the term "jolly rancher" in this context. It brings up bad memories. "Sage" goes in all fields.
/r/seduction08/03/19 02:57 PM
3

Being a virgin is a choice. For women, usually. If a woman is a virgin, it is typically because, for one reason or another, she has chosen not to have sex. A man may have chosen abstinence, but he also may be a virgin despite not wanting to be one.
/r/seduction08/03/19 08:55 AM
1

All the people who got knocked out by Mike Tyson were pretty excellent at boxing. Bad comparison ;P I dunno, what about those randos that Tyson assualted after road-rage incidents?
/r/seduction05/03/19 02:23 AM
5

You mean you dare to disagree with a complete stranger on the internet who claims to know how your own brain works better than you do? Incredible.
/r/seduction03/03/19 01:57 AM
3

Jesus, dude. You've had relationships. You've been able to hookup. You're probably normal and fine for a young man your age. Dating is hard. You will go through dry spells. It may not even be something you're doing. It could just be statistical randomness and your successes and failures sometimes "bunching up" at particular times, making it look like a pattern when it's just noise. I, on the other hand, am twenty-four and have never had a girlfriend. Only ever hooked up (without pay) twice, and …
/r/seduction23/02/19 04:02 PM
4

Man, that's where I am. Every single platonic friend you have gushes about how "great" you are, how you're the best dresser they know, how funny you are, how well-rounded and interesting you are, You never really believe them, because you're a harsh critic of yourself, but the logical part of your brain tells you that there must be sincerity in their words, because for whatever reason, they spend time in your presence of their own volition instead of ditching you. And then you resent all this po…
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:56 PM
1

Cold approach. Cold approach. Cold approach. My ratio of good numbers to flakes is really low, but I cold approach enough that I can still get dates. Most of those dates are from campus. Very few of them have even been from people in my courses or clubs I'm in. Most have just been randos I've met walking through campus. Campus girls are more receptive than girls I've met daygaming in other locations. Being students gives them some insight into what kind of guy you are (not that students are auto…
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:47 PM
6

This. Most attractive women, especially in my city, where men outnumber women, are in relationships, it seems. But I do meet the ones who did all the dating and hookups already, and now want to "focus on themselves." Of course, I also think that's a function of me not having very good game and not hooking them enough. I think the whole "I'm just not dating right now/working on myself/am too busy these days" actually translates to "you aren't high-enough value for me to want to stop being single …
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:33 PM
38

It really depends. There are girls who monkeybranch (are never single; won't leave the guy they're with until something better comes along because they aren't comfortable being by themselves for a bit, probably because they lack self-esteem and feel like it would be evidence against their attractiveness if they ever had to go without a boyfriend for two goddamn seconds; or, some people just aren't faithful; statistics show that most adulterers are male, but of course, many of them are also women…
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:25 PM
1

So, what kind of response should I give? Something cheeky like "do we need a chaperone?" Or something more straight, like "actually, I was hoping this would be a date"?
/r/seduction17/02/19 11:18 PM
4

We'll, you admitted being attracted to him in the past, and only not dating him due to circumstantial reasons. That's different from the "friendzone." "Friendzone" would mean that you'd have no attraction or interest in him whatsoever. What you've told is a tale of two people who were into each other for a while, but just never got together until much later because the right conditions hadn't lined up yet. Men who are friendzoned are not even considered an option by the woman at all. All her fee…
/r/seduction17/02/19 07:35 PM
1

And yet, I visit this website, and see a lot of posts across its various datining-related subforums by men who focused on their careers and interests and thought that "the right person will come along eventually," and are now older, have well-paying careers, and a group of guy friends, but are still unhappy, because they have no experience with women. Fuck that. Some people naturally have talent attracting women. Other people don't, and have to practise it and make it one of their priorities in …
/r/seduction16/02/19 03:30 PM
1

I don't think you really have to be all that hot. Somebody did a social experiment where they used this as a Tinder profile picture. Still got matched and agreements to dates. Still got more than your average man would. And even if you're not a supermodel, I'm sure you don't look like this.
/r/seduction15/02/19 04:34 AM
1

I can't really flex, most of these girls won't go on dates with me anyway.
/r/seduction15/02/19 04:31 AM
2

I mean, you don't just go up to them and go "wanna go out with me?" (Although honestly, you probably could.) You strike up a conversation, get to know them a little bit, and then get their number when you are parting ways.
/r/seduction15/02/19 03:51 AM
2

Cold approaches don't have to be at parties. I've met women on public transit, on campus, at stores, etc.
/r/seduction15/02/19 03:48 AM
3

Ah. Maybe they've gotten comfortable enough with you that you've already been 'friendzoned?' Maybe you'll have more success doing cold approaches?
/r/seduction15/02/19 03:47 AM
3

Oh. How many times have you tried? Are you doing cold approaches, or asking out acquaintances? Using online dating?
/r/seduction15/02/19 03:41 AM
3

Oh. So the same as above, but ask for dates instead of sex.
/r/seduction15/02/19 03:34 AM
5

I kind of feel like if a woman were to just literally ask men if they wanted to bang, the majority (of the single ones) would say "yeah," instead of calling the woman "creepy" and feeling disrespected. ​ Have you tried that? Have you tried asking men if they want to bang? I promise you won't be placed on a registry, you're a girl. You can get away with it.
/r/seduction15/02/19 02:24 AM
2

Insufficient data to answer question.
/r/seduction15/02/19 02:15 AM
1

Man, I feel you on feeling like I'm wasting my college years. I'm always told that university is the best time to meet people, that a lot of young women are open to hooking up, etc etc. I'm in th homestretch, and none of that has happened for me yet. The fact that I find it so much easier to get numbers and dates on campus than anywhere else makes me fearful for when I graduate. How the fuck to non-university adults meet people? Other than online dating?
/r/seduction14/02/19 09:51 PM
1

Everywhere on this sub, I see people say "I read Models, and it changed my life." I read Models. I still suck. I'm thinking maybe the inner-game "just 🐝 confident and 🐝 yourself!" stuff doesn't work for me, so I've picked up Mystery Method instead, which is more aimed at outer game. A lot of this late-'90s/early-'00s PUA shit is outdated and cheesy as fuck (peacocking and dressing like Dave Navarro), but I'm planning on getting the basic principles down, tossing the clearly exploitative and just…
/r/seduction14/02/19 09:46 PM
1

I'm not an expert, but in my opinion, "texting game" is immaterial. If she doesn't text back or go out with you, it's usually not because of what you didn't do right after you got the number, but because of what you didn't do right before or while you got the number. She already decided she wasn't interested in a date, she just gave you the number because she's too polite to reject. If you didn't make a great first impression, there is absolutely nothing you can text her to magically spark her i…
/r/seduction13/02/19 04:43 AM
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"Sticking point," eh? I feel like everything is my goddamn "sticking point." It makes it really hard to break down where I'm going wrong and what I need to work on when I seem to face obstacles at every single stage. The only thing I seem to be able to do is get the number more times than not, but the number itself is meaningless.
/r/seduction13/02/19 04:33 AM
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Have you cold-approached before? If not, I think this is a good exercise. If you're already doing this, getting 100 numbers may not be enough of a challenge. Getting numbers is easy. Most women will give you their number if you ask for it, because it's easier to give it away and ignore you than to reject you. And they'll still give you their real number instead of a fake one (fake numbers are exceedingly rare, in my experience), but they just won't respond. Even if this is new to you, I don't th…
/r/seduction13/02/19 04:30 AM
1

I've seen contradictory advice on this. Half the time, I read that you should always be the one to end the interaction instead of her (probably to conserve "value") The other half, I read that bailing too early or leaving as soon as you got the number makes it seem like getting the number was a big deal to you. I prefer to err on the side of not overstaying my welcome, but sometimes I think I psych myself out and leave before I really got her to invest, leading to her not texting back. No matter…
/r/seduction13/02/19 04:27 AM
1

Jesus, dude, you look normal. In fact, you look a bit like a not-fat RSD Tyler. So, you've got one thing on him (lack of fatness) already. If you want to stop being used for free weed and concerts, stop giving that shit out for free. Only give when it's earned. Like, if she's good company and makes you laugh, give her a token (haha, token) of appreciation after that. But not before.
/r/seduction11/02/19 12:56 AM
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I used to think that they can't be any more complicated than any other person, that there's no need to overthink it, that they aren't some species foreign to men. Then I actually started dating them, and I'm now 100% convinced that I was wrong, and figuring them out is like troubleshooting Windows XP, after all.
/r/seduction10/02/19 08:27 PM
1

I do have a lot of female friends, a lot of attractive female friends, but my experience thus far has been that they kinda suck as wingchicks.
/r/seduction10/02/19 08:22 PM
2

If these are "shit tests," they're not giving me any time to even answer them. They'll make their comment and then walk away or close me off, and I'm not about to chase after them or be aggressive.
/r/seduction10/02/19 01:46 PM
2

A lot easier said than done. I'm a working student, currently in debt (student loans and credit card), living paycheque-to-paycheque. And my parents rely on me to help them with utilities, so even if I had enough money to move out, I'd essentially be abandoning my parents and little sister (unless I could somehow make enough money to pay my own bills, and cover their electricity). Are there any methods or tips for losers like me who have to live at home? Or am I resigned to a sexless life? I can…
/r/seduction10/02/19 01:43 PM
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Too bad I still live with my folks.
/r/seduction10/02/19 10:50 AM
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Another one we had been writing a lot and looking forward to meet for like 3 weeks. Like one hour before meeting she revisited my Tinder profile and realized I was 2 cm shorter. I drove to another city for 50 minutes to meet her and was left at the station for more than a hour waiting. 2 days later she just said sorry you're just shorter and blocked me right after. Holy shit, this is pure suicide fuel. I've been having some cognitive dissonance lately, because on the one hand, I've always tried …
/r/seduction10/02/19 09:37 AM
2

I think I just stumbled across that guy today. He doesn't seem as well-spoken or articulate as other YouTube guys, and keeps fumbling his words. I saw his video where he was criticizing Todd Valentine, and even though I agreed with most of his criticisms, the whole time, I was thinking, "and you expect me to think you're better, right?" He gave no evidence that he doesn't have the same flaws he identifies in other YouTube PUA marketers, and he's probably just doing whatever to make a buck, as we…
/r/seduction10/02/19 07:10 AM
2

I don't think there's a magic pill for people high in neuroticism to just "stop thinking." When somebody tells me that I'm overthinking something and that I should stop, my reaction is "wow thanks, I'm cured." Rather than trying not to think so much, maybe it works better for people like us to just acknowledge we're overthinking, and accept that our thinking is just giving us the illusion that it's leading us to a more accurate and rational conclusion, when we haven't got enough evidence for any…
/r/seduction10/02/19 07:01 AM
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That sounds like a shitty thing to say to somebody. It takes two people to kiss. Kissing is often nerve-wracking and awkward. Making somebody feel more self-conscious about it by pointing out how awkward it was, as if it was entirely on them and their responsibility to not make it awkward, strikes me as a socially unintelligent thing to say. You should probably just brush it off and not act too phased by it or dwell on it. She probably doesn't want to go on another date, but it's worth a shot as…
/r/seduction10/02/19 06:53 AM
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^^Don't do this.
/r/seduction10/02/19 06:50 AM
1

Most people IRL who have told me about the pineapple juice thing are women who have been trying to convince their boyfriends to put more fruit and less onions in their diet so that their semen will taste better. No, I don't know either why my female friends feel the need to tell me about fellatio with their boyfriends. I've never asked them questions about this. And I remain skeptical that diet has that direct a relationship with semen taste. Pretty sure your body breaks food down and distribute…
/r/seduction10/02/19 06:45 AM
1

I haven't really got a height preference. If a tall woman is attractive, I'm pretty much like "my god, she's like an Amazon goddess." If a short woman is attractive, I'm like, "aw, she's like a cute little pixie." It's really about the entire overall look, rather than me zoning in on any particular attribute, like height or whatever.
/r/seduction10/02/19 05:48 AM
1

Haha, unfortunately, I've found that women make poor wingmen. I have a lot of female friends, but they almost never introduce me to their other female friends. We just end up hanging out one-on-one and getting coffee or drinks or something. It's funny, because I'm always introducing my friends to other friends. As for a less competitive market, I have heard that my city has a gender imbalance, with a few thousand more men than women. That could affect things. However, I haven't really the means …
/r/seduction28/01/19 06:37 AM
2

Okay, but what if… what if I actually am keeping with approaching women every single day of my life, am always doing it alone because it's not like I'm paying some guy hundreds of dollars a night to coach me, am literally going to events alone without the security blanket of a friend or two because that's how it's gotta be most of the time and I won't use not having a friend as an excuse, am allowing myself to face rejection after rejection, and I'm STILL not getting results? Am I allowed to be …
/r/seduction26/01/19 08:07 AM
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Hmm. Yeah, I'm very skeptical, too. I don't even know how one would measure how often people think about sex. You can't just hook their brains to a computer and have it tally each sexual thought. No instrument thus far can read thoughts. And just asking people, "how often do you think about sex?" isn't a very valid methodology. So yeah, even ignoring the fact that all other evidence points toward men having larger sexual appetites than women, I would need to be convinced that we could measure ho…
/r/seduction24/01/19 02:18 PM
1

Now I'm curious as to what the deleted comment said.
/r/seduction24/01/19 03:47 AM
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No problem! Sorry for the late response. I'm on Hinge and Bumble and things never get further after a few exchanges. What do the exchanges look like? Just small talk before it fizzles out? Do either of you ask the other person out? If he's not asking you out, it's probably not because he's not interested (I mean, he matched with you on a dating app, and men get a lot fewer matches than women do, so we're more invested in each one). He's probably just too shy to pull the trigger and ask for a dat…
/r/seduction18/01/19 02:55 AM
2

…Shad? You mean Chad, right? Please don't be talking about the Shadman
/r/seduction12/01/19 08:10 AM
1

It has been… more than ten.
/r/seduction12/01/19 06:13 AM
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Okay, but what if all your female friends say things like "wow you're a cool guy any woman would be lucky to have you," dates you've had who've cut things off also let you know that you're nice and sweet and cool, and everybody tells you that you have a good personality, but still nobody wants to actually date you? Does it mean you have a small dick then? What if nobody's seen my dick, either, precisely because nobody wants to date me? Does it means some other, more visible part of my body is to…
/r/seduction11/01/19 10:35 PM
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I don't know of any, myself. I'm going to be honest, my first gut instinct was to fire off some salty reply about how it's sooo much easier for a woman to attract a man than vice-versa, how women get a lot more interest than men do, yadda yadda yadda, but then I stopped and reflected a bit, and thought, hey, instead of just getting butthurt and changing the topic to my own pain, maybe I should sit down and listen and empathize with this woman who clearly has similar concerns to mine. In fact, if…
/r/seduction11/01/19 10:15 PM
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I think OP would have a more comprehensive understanding by starting with the Greeks. Then the history of natural philosophy through the Copernican Revolution, go straight on through to Origin of Species, then onto the modern synthesis with Mendelian Genetics, and tehn maybe get to the discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA. Some pickup books later, OP might be ready to visit a pub and say "hi" to a girl.
/r/seduction11/01/19 10:05 PM
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I've read The Game recently. Entertaining, but I feel like it's a little outdated, and that late-'90s/early-'00s pickup stuff is kind of cheesy today. Even putting aside the fact that I think negging is just wrong anyway, looking at it purely as a tactic, literally every woman knows what it is and knows when you're doing it in 2019. One thing I did appreciate about the book is that it doesn't just tell you "BE CONFIDENT" and shit like that. It tries to give tips on how to adjust your actual beha…
/r/seduction11/01/19 09:55 PM
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Books for women trying to attract men, or books for women trying to attract women? I feel as though most women haven't found attracting men complicated enough that there would be much of a market for books on how to attract men. I mean, you've got those Cosmo articles, but nothing on the scale of the male-aimed pickup industry. I guess that's very unfortunate for the few girls who do feel like they need the help, as they represent such a small group that few people are catering to them. As for l…
/r/seduction11/01/19 07:04 PM
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Normies who can do things naturally without thinking be like "why you overthinnking it?" Look, maybe if this stuff came naturally to me as well, I also wouldn't have to think about it. ​
/r/seduction09/01/19 01:44 PM
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Honestly, the fact that she seems to be engaged with texting you and animated in her responses is a good sign. Funnily enough, a girl who's uncomfortable with you and doesn't really want to go out with you won't be texting you things like "are you going to murder me?", she'll just ghost you or say she's busy instead. She's bantering with you. Still, her concerns about jus wanting to know what the fuck you're doing are coming from a place of truth, and she means that, even if she's framing it in …
/r/seduction06/01/19 06:50 AM
2

I have no idea, and I've also had this question for a long time. The very same action could be seen as needy/qualifying or as a DHV, depending on how it's framed. I know somebody is going to come along and say, "it's all about intent, man! If you tell her you have a Lambo because you want her to like you, it's needy! But if you don't care if she likes you or not, it's a DHV!" But making "intent" the deciding factor kind of ignores the fact that if you're practicing pickup and chatting up women i…
/r/seduction06/01/19 06:30 AM
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If you already think she's going to reject you, shouldn't that make it easier to read her text, seeing as you're not expecting a surprise? You can't be any more disappointed than you already are if you truly believe this to be a forgone conclusion. Just read her damn text. If it's Snapchat, there's a chance she could delete it before you read it, and you don't want that. Somebody wise once told me, "you already have the 'no.'" Getting rejected has no worse an outcome than not asking (or, in your…
/r/seduction06/01/19 06:21 AM
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I guess I just find it really unrealistic to expect people to just change their emotions through sheer force of will when every piece of information they've ever ecountered has led them to the opposite feelings. Like, you can tell yourself it's a woman's loss if she doesn't go out with you, but how many rejections can you salve with "well, it was her loss" when absolutely none of them end up going out with you? It seems as impossible as just deciding to change your beliefs on any other topic. I …
/r/seduction06/01/19 06:15 AM
2

I've found that one thing that has helped me overcome awkwardness about how/when to make physical contact with a date is ceasing to care about the stigma of "same-side sitting." Previously, I'd feel like there never felt like a natural and non-forced way to touch her, especially being on the other side of a table from her. And then when the date ended, I felt like it'd feel to forced and unprecedented to try to kiss her when parting after a few hours of not even so much as holding her hand, beca…
/r/seduction06/01/19 05:39 AM
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> But what really bugs me is that I don't know the girl and haven't met her in my life So, this isn't even a story about whether or not you should date an attractive woman who might be sentenced to prison, it's about you reading a news article about a woman you'll never meet and feeling attracted to her? Is this seriously what your topic is about? ​
/r/seduction06/01/19 05:23 AM
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In my experience, "maybe" means "I'm too shy to say 'no.'" I just take it as a "no," and move on.
/r/seduction21/12/18 02:42 AM
1

I see. What do you recommend when you can't seem to think of anything but boring, stale conversation? Like, she's not wearing anything particularly interesting that you could compliment, you're just asking about boring small talk questions that neither of you seem very interested in, and you can't readily think of anything more interesting to say, or even come up with something funny and less dry? When I've found myself in this situation, either I continue on with this path of meaningless chatte…
/r/seduction20/12/18 01:20 PM
2

Yeah, I also have little contextual lines that I might return to when I find myself in a similar context. If something fits, why not use it again?
/r/seduction20/12/18 01:15 PM
2

Note to self: the best way to pick up a girl is to get married.
/r/seduction18/12/18 12:47 AM
5

People are attracted to those with similar features to them. This is absolute genius.
/r/seduction15/12/18 07:43 PM
5

To be fair, I don't think guys would frame it this way if woman in general didn't make trying to navigate romantic and sexual relationships with them like pulling teeth. If just being vulnerable and clear worked, subs like this wouldn't exist. There's a reason you don't see equivalent subs aimed at heterosexual women with nearly as much traffic. It's easy to go, "haha, silly boys, you act like women are soooo complicated" when you don't have to wear the shoes of a heterosexual man and romance an…
/r/seduction09/12/18 08:29 AM
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I've always found it funny how they call what is essentially the exact same behaviour "teasing" or "qualifying" when men do it, but "shit testing" when women do it. So, if a dude asks a woman difficult questions to assess whether or not she meets his standards, he's "qualifying." When a woman asks a dude difficult questions to assess him, it's a "shit test." When a dude makes a joke about a woman to show that he is confident enough to not fear losing her and isn't going to be inauthentically agr…
/r/seduction08/12/18 08:14 PM
1

When a date goes well and goes longer than expected, maybe even with the two of you going to one of your places, what do you do about the dates you've got planned later in the evening?
/r/seduction06/12/18 04:34 PM
2

I would go for either. I want a girlfriend, but I also want to have casual sex between now and the time that I find a girlfriend. If I get a girlfriend before I get to experience casual sex, that's fine, too. So far, I have neither.
/r/seduction05/12/18 07:34 PM
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I think that all "get hobbies and a good career and go to the gym" does is reinforce the idea that the person isn't good enough as they are, and will have to attain perfection in order to be worth a woman's attention. They'll focus more on their hobby, job, and body, still fail with women, and then reason that it's because they still aren't good enough at their hobby, job, or physique. If they never actually just practice getting good with women, this cycle will continue forever (or until they g…
/r/seduction05/12/18 07:29 PM
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Congrats! Keep on doing what you did to make the conversation go pleasantly for both of you, except with more escalation and flirting. I've sadly found that women don't stick around long if you're too shy to flirt, and even if you like you have great conversation and are very compatible, it won't turn into a romantic relationship if you don't take the initiative to maintain a romantic context. And sometimes, when the woman is clearly interested, such as when she makes the approach, it puts guys …
/r/seduction03/12/18 07:58 AM
1

Many will tell you, "focus on yourself, and girls will come to you." I don't agree with using this as a blanket piece of advice. I see guys who aren't very fit and don't have many interesting hobbies (they just play video games) have women interested in them. We all know guys who seem like "great catches" who are really lonely. For some people, the issue is that they have to work on the very specific skill of attracting women, not just "hitting the gym and reading a lot and learning a cool hobby…
/r/seduction02/12/18 08:54 PM
5

In a classless society, you wouldn't have to impress women with status and money. Only with your personality. Too bad I've got none of that shit, either.
/r/seduction14/11/18 12:14 PM
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Yes, this even turned me gay.
/r/seduction14/11/18 12:12 PM
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Turns out, it was "Meg." Legs are a female body part. They're a male body part, but they're a female body part, too.
/r/seduction06/11/18 11:40 PM
4

Just out of curosity, since I've never smashed at a party, what is the ettiquette surrounding it? Obviously, if it's your or the host's party, bang away, but if it's not, wouldn't the host be kinda displeased with people fucking in their home? Like, the whole idea of going upstairs and "finding a room"… hosts generally don't like other people having sex in their bed, do they?
/r/seduction02/11/18 01:52 AM
2

I never said that I "only focus on outer game," I said that both are important, but that I value outer-game tips more, because they are actually actionable and useful. Nobody has ever been helped by being told to "be more confident and happier," because that shit is obvious and a given. But actual techniques and practices and tips for what to say or how to do things, those actually help.
/r/seduction26/10/18 04:04 AM
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Seriously, somebody please tell me how to get laid this weekend. It's Halloween weekend and I'll be going to some parties, and I feel like it'll be a waste if I don't get that self-esteem boost that comes with somebody actually wanting to sleep with me of their own accord. Please don't tell me to find that validation from within, just tell me how to win it externally from the attention of attractive women who've got options and exercised those options to pick me. I'll give you an entire upvote i…
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:58 AM
1

I also favour actual techniques and practices to get better over the mental stuff. Like, the mental shit is important and definitely helps get the behaviour down naturally, but "become confident and shit" isn't really actionable advice for people asking how to get good with women. Like, yeah, that will help, but that will take years of fucking therapy and medication and CBT. What can I do NOW in the meantime? Hopefully one day, I'll be confident and zen and one with my soul and whatever, and I'm…
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:55 AM
2

You probably had too much of an attachment to her because she was your first date. You romanticized the situation too much, and you wanted to believe this Tinder match was "true love." The good news is that you got a Tinder date once, so there's evidence that you could do it again. And with more experience, you'll get better at dating. You probably don't need to spill your guts on a first date. We only show certain parts of our complex selves to different people at different times, so it's not n…
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:49 AM
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I feel like this is the tragedy of dating as a dude. You have all these romantic ideas of finding a partner you can share all your vulnerabilities and insecurities with, but then quickly find out that all these things are interpreted as weaknesses that make you less attractive. And it's eviscerating when you feel perfectly capable of working with somebody who has their own insecurities and flaws, but can't find anybody who is willing to extend the same courtesy, despite the fact that they all cl…
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:42 AM
1

There are compliments that undermine your praise. For example: you’re looking a little good today, but don’t let that get into your head. Aren't "negs" really transparent, obvious, and lame, though? Even if we just put aside that trying to scratch away at somebody's self-esteem is inhrently disrespectful and we just try to focus on practicality instead, the fact that you're trying to come across as "higher" than them seems to be undermined by the fact that you approached her, and that you're ask…
/r/seduction24/10/18 05:56 PM
1

How subtle can you be before you're shooting yourself in the foot by not being direct enough? I rarely make comments on physical appearance, but rather style instead. However, sometimes trying not to be too overt gets me into a situation where we have a really nice conversation, only for me to find out she's got a boyfriend or just isn't interested or something. Not that I mind still making friends with her at that point, but sometimes I feel like it's just a waste of time beating around the bus…
/r/seduction24/10/18 04:46 AM
4

It's almost as if women rarely need help picking up men.
/r/seduction24/10/18 02:51 AM
2

I watched a pick-up video on "the importance of persistence" and why one should continue trying past the "I have a boyfriend" and "no thanks" lines. The video was maybe a ten minute montage of this jackass pleading and begging for these unreceptive women's numbers while they looked irritated or uncomfortable. The pick-up guy probably made a fair bit of coin from the ads placed in front of the video (I dunno, I've got AdBlock). But, how many of those poor women that he pressured into giving out t…
/r/seduction23/10/18 05:39 AM
2

she Doesn't "twink" refer to a man?
/r/seduction21/10/18 02:17 AM
3

Bowling ain't cheap in my city.
/r/seduction21/10/18 02:14 AM
2

Just walk in the same direction as them. Tell them you're going the same way, or let them know that you have time to go out of your way and walk with them a bit (note: this is far less frightening and creepy during the day time in a populated area than it is on a deserted street in the dead of night; also, don't be carrying a chainsaw and wearing a Leatherface mask). Now you can have a conversation without stopping her or wasting her time. I find this works better than the "I know you're in a hu…
/r/seduction21/10/18 02:11 AM
2

I don't have any "clever lines" to try to seduce a woman who says she has a boyfriend. I take it at face value, because, sure, she might be lying, but it'd be pretty disrespectful to press on when somebody unambiguously signals that they aren't interested. Either I tell them to have a nice rest of their day and leave, or if I'm enjoying their company, I continue the conversation and get their number, but with the intention of hanging out as friends. Now I have a wider social network that will ho…
/r/seduction21/10/18 02:05 AM
1

Good job, you've got her hooked. Now slide into her private messages, and see if she wants to move to Iowa to go on a date with you.
/r/seduction21/10/18 02:00 AM
2

Fair enough. I may read this link when I've got more time.
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:57 AM
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I think that the #metoo movement has been almost overwhelmingly a positive force letting women speak out about harassment and holding often powerful men to account, so I don't understand the panicking about it being some witch-hunt endangering the lives of men and boys. I am yet to see much validating that sentiment. My only issue so far is that I think there are some issues surrounding consent that we are still to scared to honestly talk about. For example, how consent can often be implicit, an…
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:53 AM
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The ol' "anyone claiming to be a woman on the internet is just doing it for attention." It's not like women have figured out about the existence of the largest and most comprehensive telecommunication medium on the globe, amirite? Shh, don't tell them about our secret clubhouse!
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:42 AM

No, that article did not change my mind. It was simply a climate-change-denialism blog post masquerading as being about philosophy of language, while being intentionally obtuse about analogies and metaphors that would be understandable to third-graders. When the author says that using the term "runaway" is obscurant because it makes climate change sound like a horse, they are missing the fact that "runaway" is a word often used to describe positive-feedback loops, which the process of anthropoge…
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:33 AM
1

I think that the problem with when people talk about the "new wave of feminism" is that, most of the time, they aren't very informed about the history of feminism, the different sub-ideologies of it, and the prevalent ideas and arguments that arose is each wave. They usually just boil it down to "feminism was okay at one point, but now it's bad and crazy." The ironic thing is that these same sorts of people would probably actually be less comfortable with aspects of the second-wave feminism of t…
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:11 AM

Do you know how analogies work? You do realize that the point of analogy wasn't the killing-and-eating part, right?
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:06 AM
4

Welcome to being a woman on the internet, I guess.
/r/seduction17/10/18 07:04 AM
1

That's kinda boring. Also, don't worry about "filling space". In fact not having to talk all the time to fill space is a sign of confidence and being emotionally-centered. And space is often where tension is built. It;s okay to let a conversation breathe. I think silences are just more awkward for daygame than for nightgame. You're catching people in the middle of their routine. Too long of a pause in conversation, and there's no reason for you guys not go just get on with your days. If she's on…
/r/seduction14/10/18 04:47 AM
1

I see. When cold approaching, I usually open with an observation about the environment or the woman in the form of a joke. I guess I just never know how to transition from this go an actual conversation, and I default to asking her what her major is or something. The past couple of days, I even made it a goal to cold approach some campus girls without once asking about their studies or talking about mine, but my mind would go blank after making them laugh with the opener, and I'd immediately go …
/r/seduction14/10/18 03:47 AM
1

That makes sense. I'm usually against the limp-wristed "invite her out to a friend function to reduce risk of rejection" thing a lot of less experienced guys such as myself might initially go for, but I guess it just felt right in this context, because it felt like a strategic choice that takes into account the factors I feel are facing me, rather than simply a bad habit borne out of protecting the ego. But I suppose that as soon as I'm trying to contrive some optimal plan to get a specific girl…
/r/seduction13/10/18 09:37 PM
1

Yeah, even though "cougars" do exist, I don't think they are as common as one would be led to believe from television and movies. I have flirted with older women before, but the only cases in which I've had any success are cases that weren't cold approaches. For example, at a friend's party, most of the attendees were middle aged. There was this one divorce who was somewhat attractive, even if she was old enough to be my mother. We start dancing, and I'm just kinda making cracks about the age ga…
/r/seduction13/10/18 09:29 PM
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It doesn't matter. If you're interested in him, you should go up to talk to him anyway. You'll find out over the course of the conversation if he reciprocates the interest or not. No need to try to decipher eye signals.
/r/seduction13/10/18 02:39 AM
1

I see, thanks! So, as for the format, all of our entries will be written on our profiles, and we will link to those entries as replies to our own top-level comments, correct? Just clarifying, because I'm not sure I 100% understand, and I've also never posted content directly on my profile before.
/r/seduction13/10/18 12:03 AM
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"Set" is the PUA term for the conversation/interaction you have with a person or group of people you are approaching. "One-set" is approaching a person who is alone, "two-set" is approaching a couple of people, "three-set" is approaching a group of three people, etc. A "mixed set" is an interaction with a group of mixed sexes or genders
/r/seduction12/10/18 11:54 PM
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Holy shit, this is scary, my dude. Even though this sort of unfortunate thing happens more often to women, this goes to show that anybody can be a victim. I really wonder which of the people you met were responsible, and what their intentions were with you. At first, I thought maybe they meant to target some poor girl and you ended up getting the drink instead, but the part where you mentioned some guy just leaving a drink in front of you… it sounds like you were definitely the target. Hopefully…
/r/seduction12/10/18 11:49 PM
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Who knows, they could have even wanted to rape him. It's nowhere near as common, but it still happens.
/r/seduction12/10/18 11:48 PM
18

Jesus, what the fuck?
/r/seduction12/10/18 11:48 PM
10

It's sad how whenever somebody gets a kidney stolen, one of the first questions from the police is "what were you wearing, was it a top with kidney holes?"
/r/seduction12/10/18 11:47 PM
1

I legit want to be friendzoned. Well, kinda. There are some girls that I hit on who turned out to have boyfriends, with whom I exchanged numbers anyways so that we could be friends. I wouldn't mind meeting their other female friends. There are other friends that I went out on a few dates with, but with whom things didn't pan out. I still meet up with them, but they are yet to introduce me to their friends. We've only done one-on-one hangout sessions, or I've introduced them to my friends. I'd li…
/r/seduction11/10/18 05:51 AM
2

Sounds good, but I just don't envision myself actually writing a report everyday for thirty days. I can't even not procrastinate on my actual homework. But sign me up for a tentative "I'll try to try."
/r/seduction11/10/18 05:46 AM
1

Thanks for the link, I actually like the tips he had in it! They may not have been applicable to my particular issue in this thread, as it doesn't really talk about alternatives to going to clubs or what to do when you don't like clubs, but I found it useful nonetheless, because of the tips about using subtle ways to escalate, breaking the ice with people in groups, etc.
/r/seduction11/10/18 02:36 AM
1

Inb4 some salty nerd accuses you of "whiteknighting" for doing moderator stuff
/r/seduction10/10/18 10:21 PM
2

I can't say I can help you with your problem, but I hope you find this place useful and can keep posting. Especially in male-dominated online spaces, there will always be those dudes who think that a poster is "attention seeking" just by virtue of being a woman. So, I can imagine you may get hostile responses from time to time, but I hope your experience is overall a positive one. Also, tell me more about this "playbook" you speak of. I'll accept it in either .pdf or .epub format.
/r/seduction10/10/18 10:20 PM
2

Just ask her out. Don't worry about looking cool over text, I don't think it's ever helped anyone.
/r/seduction10/10/18 10:13 PM
3

"Chemical reactions floating through the void" as you stare absently into the distance. Then spend the rest of the night awake, not moving your gaze. "Did you even sleep last night?" "Maybe, Sharon, we've been asleep all our lives."
/r/seduction10/10/18 10:12 PM
18

I recently found myself wanting to ask 2 different girls out for drinks. Immediately my mind was racing, "Maybe you should just be by yourself for a while," "You got the new Spider-Man game, playing that is much more fun than talking to girls," Play the Spider-Man game with two girls. Get three pigeons with one webshooter.
/r/seduction10/10/18 08:41 PM
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I used to always try to plan "interesting" dates. I'd put a lot of effort and worry into finding cool events happening around town, knowing when the affordable wine or liquor tastings were, knowing what galleries currently had good exhibitions, knowing when the "adult's night" at the science museum was, or the next rope-bondage workshop… ​ And it just became exhausting. I felt like all the work I had to put into planning this shit wasn't being appreciated. And I felt like some women only agreed …
/r/seduction09/10/18 04:44 PM
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The great majority of girls say I'm "good in bed". It's impressive that you even managed to sleep with the great majority of girls in the first place.
/r/seduction09/10/18 04:38 PM
1

Just say you're a nerd or geek. Women will envision Ryan Gosling with a pair of spectacles instead of some fat weeaboo who gets into heated debates about the merits of PCs versus consoles.
/r/seduction09/10/18 01:56 PM
3

Is there evidence surrounding people's responses to suggestive vs. resolute statements? Is there evidence this works? What if it turns out that rock climbing or whatever you picked is something she actually does quite regularly, and you look like a jackass for thinking you know more about it then she does? What if she gets a word in edgewise between your saying that she'd enjoy it, and your super smooth refutation of that previous thought? Overall, kinda sounds like pop psychology to me.
/r/seduction08/10/18 09:17 PM
1

I don't really know what other solutions there are. I've made an effort to stay away from PUA shit in the past, because I've associated it with a certain brand of male chauvinism. But after trying to get advice from places like r/dating and female friends and getting nothing but useless "just be yourself, you'll find someone!" advice, I decided to take a look at this stuff, but to use my discretion to pick the parts that sound useful, and discard the parts that sound sexist. I'm actually surpris…
/r/seduction08/10/18 05:55 PM
3

Sounds like a slippery-slope argument to me.
/r/seduction08/10/18 05:41 AM
1

I dunno, building up confidence can be a lifelong endeavour that takes years of therapy. I've already been in therapy for a couple of years now, and I'm so behind in dating/romantic/sexual experiences that I feel like I can't put off pursuing them any longer. The older I get, the harder it will be to do, as there will be an even wider gap between the experience potential partners expect of me and my actual experience. Instead of waiting for my confidence issues to be "fixed" before I pursue dati…
/r/seduction08/10/18 04:25 AM
3

I don't see why it's "never good." This is a private website owned by a private business, where subforums are generally free to make rules on what is acceptable and what isn't. Seems like both the website and the subforum moderators have a clear right to censor shit that doesn't suit the aims of the site or subforum. I think that just like anything else, censorship can be good or bad. It would be bad overall for the website and forum if only non-critical posts were allowed, or if only posts favo…
/r/seduction08/10/18 04:14 AM
1

I've stayed away from dating apps, because I feel as though they'd only lower my self-esteem further. I don't think I'm attractive enough to attract clicks or swipes at first blush. At least in person, I can try to display some amount of personality and charm on my approach. I also feel as though I haven't got enough "social proof" for online dating. I don't take pictures of myself often, so I've got no photos with friends. Nor do I have pictures of myself doing cool things. At least with cold a…
/r/seduction07/10/18 11:24 PM
1

A couple of reasons. It just seems like there would be an additional filter where the women I'd be meeting would be more likely to be receptive. A lot of people go out to the sorts of things night game would be practiced at with the intent of meeting somebody. I mean, obviously people who aren't single still go out, but there just seems to be a higher probability that I'd meet single people, whereas it's a toss-up when I meet a random woman on the street or in a bookstore. This would at least sl…
/r/seduction07/10/18 11:16 PM
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I'm no expert, but it sounds lame go me, too. It'd sound like the speaker was insecure, petty, competitive, and salty that somebody is threatening to take "his" girl. Honestly, I'm just nice to whatever other guys decide to join the conversation.
/r/seduction07/10/18 10:56 PM
3

I can feel you on being a late bloomer, and feeling resentful about not being able to experience the sorts of things everybody else seems to be able to. I don't resent women for my situation, as I try not to judge an entire sex on the basis of my personal frustrations. I have progressive values gender-wise and try to have my behaviour align with them. My beliefs are pro-feminist. But it's hard not to resent my situation itself, even though I'm not, like, full-on incel-level about it. And it's ha…
/r/seduction07/10/18 10:06 PM
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It really depends on the couple. I know some couples that seem totally cool with their partners engaging in innocent flirting. I might even be their friends, and will flirt with one of them just for fun, obviously with neither of us intending for it to ever become more than that. I guess it's a matter of personal boundaries, and something that couples have to figure out between themselves.
/r/seduction07/10/18 09:35 PM
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Talking about early evenings on Friday and sat nights You don't have to limit yourself to these times. You can strike up a conversation whenever you come across somebody who piques your interest. In fact, I find it's actually harder on Friday and Saturday nights, because people are already on their way to plans. But that's just me. But, basically what you're asking about is usually referred to as "day game" and "cold approaching" in the PUA lingo. I'd say you'd get some better tips googling and …
/r/seduction07/10/18 07:35 PM
1

Making her qualify just means challenging her, not always agreeing with her, asking her questions “Why did you do A, you had options B and C” with a serious or judgmental tone. I guess if "making her qualify herself" means not just agreeing with all of her opinions in order to suck up go her and win her favour, I already do that. If I've got a different opinion on a matter or disagree, I'll respectfully make that known. More interesting conversation comes out of sharing contrasting thoughts than…
/r/seduction07/10/18 07:11 PM
2

But why would women want to use that app?
/r/seduction07/10/18 09:24 AM
1

I dunno, I feel like I'm approaching women everyday and getting an absurd amount numbers, and still not getting anywhere.
/r/seduction06/10/18 03:13 AM
1

I feel as though I already do those things. It's not as though I just go up to a woman and go, "hey, you're cute; could you please give me your number?" and walk away as soon as I get it. I actually strike up a conversation, we share things about ourselves, and after a bit of chatting, I ask her if she'd want to grab a drink or coffee sometime or something. Then I get her number. I don't ask for the number if she didn't seem particularly interested in the conversation, or if I wasn't very intere…
/r/seduction05/10/18 11:58 PM
1

I should probably clarify that I try to approach them regardless of my initial impressions, just because I figure that actually talking to her would provide me with a better gauge of her receptivity than just guessing from her behaviour from afar. If she actually thinks I'm a threat, at least all I did was make her mildly uncomfortable for two minutes of her day before gathering that she wasn't interested bailing.
/r/seduction03/10/18 11:04 PM
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Some experiments have shown that while men are more attracted to smiling women, women are more attracted to "moody" or intense-looking men. I dunno, I often forget to smile when talking to people, so I feel like I'm coming off as not friendly enough. But then when I try to force smiles, I feel insincere, like I'm trying to be a people-pleaser.
/r/seduction03/10/18 06:18 PM
15

There are no women on the internet.
/r/seduction03/10/18 06:13 PM
15

I often feel like a woman is smiling at me because she's intimidated or creeped out by me, and the smile is more meant to neutralize the tension than anything. Like a "please don't murder me, I'll be nice" smile.
/r/seduction03/10/18 06:12 PM
1

Just don't be awkward if she says no. All you can do is not be salty or hold it against her if she refuses, and it won't be awkward. Unless she insists upon making it awkward. But then that's not your problem.
/r/seduction27/09/18 02:46 AM
1

That's essentially what I like doing. Making somebody's day. Even if she isn't into me or is already involved, I love that feeling of letting somebody have fun, giving them a funny story to talk about, or making them feel better about themself.
/r/seduction27/09/18 02:44 AM
2

How do I learn the power to become this stone cold? I low-key wish I were comfortable with making people feel as bad as they make me feel, but I have too much empathy to do that.
/r/seduction25/09/18 02:43 AM
1

Why?
/r/seduction23/09/18 12:20 PM
1

I would say that this is the kind of situation to just be a decent human being instead of wondering how doing so will affect your "game." I mean, her friend just died. I don't even comprehend how somebody's response to this could be, "yeah, I could comfort her, but what if this prevents me from being able to fuck her?"
/r/seduction23/09/18 12:12 PM
1

Because Mr Lonely Heart Club feels very threatened right now.
/r/seduction23/09/18 12:05 AM
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"I know this is a bit random, but" I actually disagree with this part, and haven't noticed any more success when I've said things like this than when I haven't. When people's feelings about a situation are ambiguous, they often look for cues from other people to determine how acceptable the situation is, and adopt a congruent attitude. If the person I'm approaching is unsure whether to think being approached is something she should be comfortable with, or something out of the ordinary, I think i…
/r/seduction23/09/18 12:01 AM
2

Forget her and meet new people. If you "wait around" for her to break up with her boyfriend, she'll just understand that you will always be a viable "plan B" for her, and that she can do whatever the fuck she wants, treat you however the fuck she wants, and still fall back on you. She's already shown she's willing to be unfaithful to one person. What makes you think she'll treat you any differently? She's a user. Find somebody interested in a mutual offering of value in each participant's life.
/r/seduction16/09/18 10:06 PM
1

Since society doesn't hold height as a significant feminine trait the same way it holds it as a masculine trait, are very many women actually self-conscious about being too short? Self-conscious enough to be offended by a joke about it? I could see it going in the other direction for a woman not secure about having extra height. Like, if she thinks it makes her seem masculine or something. Even then, I don't think most would be sore about this. They'd just be attracted to even taller men rather …
/r/seduction16/09/18 10:01 PM
2

Well, I mean, walking out of an establishment you received a service or product from without the contractual compensation isn't the same as agreeing to let somebody buy you food, but never signing a contract that dictates you have to give them something like sex or a second date in return, even if they were hoping for it. If a pick up a date's bill, that's a decision I make, knowing full well that it doesn't guarantee me anything in return.
/r/seduction14/09/18 06:29 PM
2

In the Soviet Union, his food would be free, anyway. He might not get any; but when if he did, it would be free.
/r/seduction14/09/18 06:27 PM
3

Or, instead of timing the precise duration of every female's gaze in my particular direction, I could just approach whichever ones I find attractive, regardless of whether or not I've determined them to be checking me out. Maybe they'll be interested. Maybe they won't be. Just approaching them is a better way to find out than staring at everyone and doing mental math.
/r/seduction14/09/18 06:24 PM
1

Well, I'd feel flattered by somebody I'm actually interested in showing interest in me by asking a lot of stupid questions, of course. I'd even find it cute. But the questions themselves would still be kinda annoying.
/r/seduction12/09/18 05:59 PM
1

? I think you've misunderstood. I'm telling OP that 19 isn't an unusual age to not have had a relationship or sex by, statistically; and that there's no need to worry about not having had those experiences making him defective in any way.
/r/seduction12/09/18 05:56 PM
2

Then, I suppose the aeons-old question must be invoked: How do I pick up thots?
/r/seduction12/09/18 05:53 PM
2

I dunno, I only notice these responses with a certain type of woman. The women I tend to go for are the artsy or nerdy ones, and they tend to be quite good at carrying conversations. Girls who look like typical thots, though, rarely offer anything about themselves that can turn into an interesting conversation.
/r/seduction11/09/18 10:48 PM
1

Nineteen? You are but a little baby. Too young to start worrying about the fact that you haven't had a relationship or sex yet.
/r/seduction11/09/18 09:14 PM
1

Why would you think we would be experts on this ​ Also, yes, spontaneous orgasm is perfectly normal
/r/seduction11/09/18 08:55 PM
1

I don't really understand what you're saying here. Why would you have to know somebody to know they have a nice body? Most clothing fits the form well enough that you can tell roughly what somebody's body shape is. Is what you're trying to say that these women would only go out with somebody they already know, and not with a stranger who cold approaches them? If so, I think the dynamics of going out with people you know, and going out with strangers, are pretty different, but they are both possi…
/r/seduction11/09/18 08:49 PM
1

I also become a bit hesitant to approach when a woman is wearing revealing clothing, because I also assume that she will assume that I have ill intentions. But honestly, just ignore that voice and approach anyway. If it doesn't go well, you have no fewer woman than you started with, correct? And, it's a big assumption to make about her based on nothing.
/r/seduction11/09/18 06:00 PM
1

The correct response would have been to tease her back by saying that, unlike her, you're comfortable enough to see the beauty of your own sex. Or maybe some joke about how she's oppressing you by enforcing the gender binary. The point of the joke being "haha, you're so old-fashioned and traditional." The correct response to a tease is to tease her back, and make it fun. In fact, I hate the language of "shit tests" and "negs" because what these really are are just teases, which are fun for all o…
/r/seduction11/09/18 05:33 PM
2

I think some people just watch all their friends' Instagram stories. Both the girl who ghosted me after sex, and the girl who invited me over, but lost interest after it never happened, seem to view my every Instagram story. I'm not even following them on Instagram, they are following me. So, I don't view their stories. I don't think anything of it. If they were interested, they wouldn't have ghosted me or broken things off. Maybe they have nothing better to do than watch the cycle of everyone t…
/r/seduction11/09/18 05:27 PM
1

I feel like I'd get annoyed if somebody kept on asking me questions like that. Why would women react any differently?
/r/seduction11/09/18 05:03 PM
2

I don't think he's lying. I approach women every day. Multiple women in a day. I've seen maybe around 20 women in the part year-and-a-half. The most dates I've been on with a woman before she's lost interest is four. Only been laid once, and that was because the woman essentially pounced on me. I did nothing to make it happen. And she ghosted me immediately after, so I must have been a terrible lay. It's possible to not have success despite trying, even if that's not your experience.
/r/seduction11/09/18 05:01 PM
3

Same text, but in all uppercase letters and large font
/r/seduction11/09/18 04:55 PM
3

It's a mix of societal things, like women being slut-shamed and not being encouraged to be open sexually, and things they have biological elements, like the fact that differing reproductive strategies just result in women being less interested in having sex with as many partners as men are, as well as women having the ability to be choosier. Don't trust those neckbirds that go all "IT'S ALL BIOLOGY BECAUSE IN THE CAVEMAN DAYS," but don't trust people who think that humans are exceptional and mag…
/r/seduction08/09/18 07:28 PM
2

I've found introverted girls just cold approaching. You're likely to get a wide sample of different personality types that way. One girl I really liked is shy as fuck. Also, I've never used dating apps, but I don't know why introverted women wouldn't use them. Many of the users are probably busy shy girls who don't have time to meet people organically, so they need to use an app.
/r/seduction08/09/18 07:22 PM
5

Did you actually approach any of these women, make eye contact with them, and talk to them? Or did you just dance in their general vicinity, hovering around and hoping they'd start dancing back with you? Not that I'm an expert, I don't club, or even really do "night game" (I feel so douchey calling it "game") at all, I just cold approach while going about my day. But my intuition is that you may not be being direct with your intentions physically and verbally, so it's easier for women to ignore …
/r/seduction08/09/18 02:03 PM
2

Out of curiosity, how do you proposition a woman for casual sex without (A) allowing her to be under the impression that you are looking for something more, or (B) being so forward that you come across as crude? I mean, I'd want to be both honest and tactful.
/r/seduction07/09/18 09:48 PM
3

Honestly, I think "text game" is irrelevant. If you didn't make an impression when you met, nothing you can text can save you. If you did make an impression, but her circumstances changed and she is no longer interested, nothing you can text will change her mind. Doesn't matter how cute, how witty, how gamey and confident you try to come across. If she's not meeting up with you, let her go and move on to the next one.
/r/seduction07/09/18 09:17 PM
1

I suppose that after years of "working on myself," immersing myself in hobbies, and also making friend groups despite my social anxiety, I am no longer able to hold the belief that a romantic and/or sexual life is some kind of reward for being an adequate person. I've been working under the assumption that "self-improvement" and "focusing on myself" would eventually eventually lead to just "naturally" finding contentment in this other area (even if this wasn't my sole or primary reason for doing…
/r/seduction06/09/18 06:15 PM
2

I'm the opposite; I find campus the easiest place to approach women, but can't help but feel that something seems "sleazy" about trying to pick up women at pubs, and so I don't do that often. ​ Honestly, campus is the easiest place to meet people, for me. Most people are eager to meet new people, and are quite happy to be approached. My success rates for numbers actually turning into dates and not flaking is higher on campus than anywhere else. In fact, I'm concerned that after I graduate, it wi…
/r/seduction06/09/18 05:44 AM
3

…but it's also about being perfectly fine and comfortable WALKING away from those options and being okay going solo. That's the thing, though. Is it even possible to be happy being alone, when having a romantic life is actually something that's important to you? I think the advice of "you need to be comfortable being alone" makes perfect sense in certain contexts. For example, that friend you have who rushes into relationships immediately after a previous one failing, only for the new person to …
/r/seduction04/09/18 05:53 PM
1

I disagree with the parts about avoiding arguments and never telling people they are wrong. Being averse to conflict and being a people pleaser, I have the problem of just kinda passively smiling and nodding when people say things I disagree with. But I've been finding that it actually helps build rapport go be honest and voice your disagreements. This shows that you respect the other person enough to take what they're saying seriously and respond to it, rather than just humouring them, which is…
/r/seduction03/09/18 07:36 PM
2

In my experience, it's literally only girls who ever turn the conversation sexual. I almost never talk to my dude friends about sex. And I wouldn't want to, because I have no particular need for the accompanying mental images of their sex lives I never initiate sexual conversation with my female friends or dates, because I can't help but associate men making things sexual with "being creepy," but women tend to take things there themselves. And it puts me in an awkward position, because it's hard…
/r/seduction30/08/18 04:49 AM
2

God, this thread reminds me of my fear that, even if I finally overcome my problem of not being able to appeal to or attract anyone, my insecure ass is going to be terrified of losing whatever girl I do end up with, and she'll realize it and treat me like shit.
/r/seduction30/08/18 04:33 AM
2

There's also a study that shows that relationship duration is negatively correlated with the gap between partner attractiveness when the female is the more attractive partner, but not when the male is the more attractive partner. Of course, this was a single study, and I don't know if anyone ever tried to replicate it. And, they used facial symmetry as the operationalization for attractiveness, and though symmetry is correlated with attractiveness, it's not the only metric, so that could throw i…
/r/seduction30/08/18 04:27 AM
4

If you really don't care about girls, what are you doing on this subreddit? Seems kinda like going onto r/books just to make a thread about how I have no real interest in reading.
/r/seduction30/08/18 04:12 AM
1

Similar problem here. I've only boinked twice, and the first time, I couldn't even get it up (probably didn't help that I was wearing a condom meant to desensitize me, and well as had some drinks), and the second time, I could get hard, but I couldn't finish, and after almost an hour, we just called it a night. I guess I'll also have to stop pleasuring myself. Harder to fast when you don't know where your next meal is coming from, though. If I were to have sex on the regular, it wouldn't be so h…
/r/seduction27/08/18 09:53 PM
2

I usually try to make some funny observation about our environment to start a conversation. If I like her style, I'll compliment something she's wearing, and tell her why I like it. If I can't think of anything interesting to say, I'll actually just tell her that she looks interesting, and I wanted to talk to her. I always thought this was lame and kinda cringed at how literally every YouTube guy uses it, but it usually goes over very well. The girls are usually flattered, and I think they appre…
/r/seduction27/08/18 09:43 PM
6

Because they are all marketers in the self-help industry, selling "the secret steps to success" to eager consumers. Weight loss, financial success, pick-up, it's really all the same, and the skills in marketing one are transferable to marketing others. When it comes to pickup, instead of shooting videos "here in my garage" with a Lamborghini to tell you that you can have the same if you follow their system, they shoot videos in the streets of L.A. or Prague with a bunch of beautiful women, telli…
/r/seduction27/08/18 09:33 PM
1

So if you see a couple sexy blondes and you're a handsome Asian guy, approach with confidence. On the flip side if you're a minority and you see a couple of sexy Mediterranean looking women, avoid. Or… just talk to anybody you feel like talking to.
/r/seduction24/08/18 06:54 PM
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Honestly, I'd be flattered if men were into me. I'm not into men, but it would be nice knowing that somebody finds me attractive. Maybe you can use this as a funny conversation starter with women. "You see that guy over there? I'm pretty sure he's checking me out." I dunno.
/r/seduction22/08/18 04:51 AM
1

Wait, tell me more about these FWBs you made cold approaching. I know the point of this post is how just making an effort to talk to women and getting laid more often left you unfulfilled and unhappy, but I'll still take the life of meaningless-but-good sex over mine. That's the kind of problem I wish I could say is eating me up inside.
/r/seduction22/08/18 02:46 AM
1

I have the exact opposite problem. I move too slowly because I'm afraid of making anybody uncomfortable, and the girl inevitably loses interest because she doesn't feel the chemistry. I just hope that somebody likes me enough that they are willing to wait through my slow, shy awkwardness, but I'm becoming disillusioned with that notion, and am realizing that dating is also a performance, and even if you can't win them all, you still need to do certain things and perform correctly to create the p…
/r/seduction22/08/18 02:35 AM
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These days, instead of looking for signs that a girl is "inviting me" to talk to them, I just talk to them. If they aren't comfortable being spoken to, it'll be apparent when I'm actually talking to them, and I'll end the interaction. I'm not going to waste time trying to read her mind and decipher every subtle twitch of her nose like it's a secret code or something.
/r/seduction20/08/18 01:56 PM
3

I think my issue is how every girl will respond to being alone with a male differently. Some are so secure, the thought of it being unsafe never crosses their minds. Others are very conscious of their proximity to anybody with a Y chromosome. Too long a story to post here, but if you want to see an instance of a female friend of mine getting freaked out by being alone with dudes (in a situation in which nobody even had romantic or sexual intentions on their minds), check out my latest self-post …
/r/seduction19/08/18 06:01 AM
2

Hmm. I do go to friends' parties and try to talk to everyone who seems interesting, despite my social anxiety. I'm probably missing the "lasting impression" part. And the "isolation" part, because I feel some people would interpret that as threatening.
/r/seduction19/08/18 03:26 AM
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Am I the only one who hates most of the standard jargon here? Like, what the fuck, just talk normal.
/r/seduction19/08/18 03:18 AM
2

found the contact to a girl I met at a party a couple months ago but never followed up with. Asked her to hang She was down Wait, how does this happen? I find that with any number I get and forget about and only text a significant amount of time after meeting, the person never responds. If I leave it for more than four days or something, I won't hear back from her. Can you please leave more detailed instructions for step one?
/r/seduction19/08/18 03:04 AM
2

It's like that A Damn Sandle movie 50 First Dates, except the date never happens.
/r/seduction15/08/18 06:42 PM
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By the time I return from the back room to see if we have something in stock for a customer, oft times I've already forgotten what the customer looks like. I then proceed to stand awkwardly near the person that I'm pretty sure asked me, hoping they'll give me that look of recognition that confirms I've got the correct person. It's not just you, my friend.
/r/seduction15/08/18 06:38 PM
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Honestly, I think it was better for him to admit that he made a mistake. If she thought he did it on purpose, he'd look like one of those pushy guys who doesn't take "no" for an answer. But if it's an honest mistake, it just demonstrates that he does this often and can't remember every face he spends five minutes talking to. Worst case scenario is that she thinks he's lame for trying to hit up every girl he sees, but she probably won't even think that, because it's not like the women we're chatt…
/r/seduction15/08/18 06:33 PM
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Definitely. I once asked out a customer, and she replied with "unfortunately, I have a boyfriend, but if I didn't, I would totally say yes because you're cute!" That felt pretty good, but it also sounded kinda funny. "Unfortunately" you have a boyfriend? I wonder how he would feel to hear that. I mean, I know she means "unfortunately" for me and not "unfortunately" for her, but I still don't think most people want to hear their partner entertain counterfactuals of who else they would be dating i…
/r/seduction15/08/18 04:44 AM
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Thanks! It's been mostly demoralizing today. Being rejected isn't so bad, but it kinda stings when you get the girls who treat you like they think they saw you on America's Most Wanted and are very terse and closed off when you're just trying to be polite. But I did just talk to some girls who are both in relationships, but told me that I'm a "very good conversationalist," and "to keep doing what you're doing, because I'm sure something will work out." That put a spring in my step.
/r/seduction15/08/18 01:50 AM
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I do try to give everybody a fair shake instead of just making assumptions, asking them about themselves and their interests, but more often than not, my initial impressions are confirmed. Doesn't mean I won't try, though. But when I do make that attempt and find it difficult to find anything to turn into a conversation I'm interested, but I'm still physically attracted and wouldn't mind making something of that attraction providing it's mutual, how should I proceed?
/r/seduction09/08/18 04:25 AM
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Yikes. Having a strange man try to open a conversation like that..... you'd dig yourself into a hole immediately, man. I didn't really mean it in a sexual way, more like a joke about how it's common to say "your shoelaces are untied," but because these women's pants with "pants laces" rather than buttons or zippers are becoming more popular, it's conceivable for somebody's pants to be untied. But the reason I decided against it was that she would naturally assume the more sexual meaning, rather …
/r/seduction03/08/18 08:42 PM
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I dunno, I like dates. I usually try to do an activity and food/drinks, so that there's the fun endorphin-inducing part, and the part where we can actually talk. I tend to like doing things like art galleries, wine tastings, local shows, the local science center, etc. One time, I did a rope bondage workshop. All things that I like doing on my own, too. But lately I've been getting lazy picking date events and just go get drinks with them, because I'm tired of all the work of planning. Even when …
/r/seduction03/08/18 04:40 AM
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I don't get it… why would somebody care if their roommate is fucking? Who a actually says "we can only fuck if my roommate isn't home?" Why would it be any of their business?
/r/seduction03/08/18 03:26 AM
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I dunno, I have tried just inviting girls to functions I was already going to do with friends, but they never seem to come out to those. They usually only come out to one-on-one dates. And the whole "I'm doing X, but my friend bailed on me" bit… I don't think most people are so available that they can do things on such short notice. I know I'm not, which is why I hate when people only ask me to hang out at the very last minute. I have asked girls if they wanna come down (for example, when I was …
/r/seduction03/08/18 03:17 AM
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Sometimes I do hit on girls who aren't my type if I simply find them attractive. I prefer the kinda artsy "alternative" girls, the ones who like to go to local punk shows and stuff like that, but I'll hit on a typical basic, preppy girl if she's good-looking. Seeing as I almost exclusively do "daygame," as I'm not into clubbing or shit like that, and I just hit on attractive women I encounter as I go about my day, how do I attain hookups with women with whom I am not compatible with relationship…
/r/seduction03/08/18 03:12 AM
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I dunno, I've gone on dates with women whom I opened with a compliment on their outfits. Most women are genuinely happy to hear that I like their outfits, even if they aren't interested. It's rare that somebody just coldly dismisses me when I give them a sincere compliment.
/r/seduction03/08/18 03:06 AM
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It could have been that your delivery killed it. Or maybe something in your body language. Who knows. Just because half of the interaction is under her control, doesn't eliminate the likelihood that you didn't made a mistake. I guess I only know so many ways to say "looks like rain, eh?" And we were both walking down the street, so I suppose my body language suggested… locomotion. I don't know what else I could have done to prevent her from plugging her earphone in after three quarters of a seco…
/r/seduction03/08/18 01:04 AM
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You misread. She pulled out her own earphone.
/r/seduction02/08/18 04:52 AM
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If it were me, I'd welcome advice. I've even thought about asking for advice from women who've rejected me, but I thought it might come off as me placing a burden on their shoulders. As for the "girls give bad dating advice" thing, I've found this to be true. I feel as though women are socialized to be polite and supportive, so instead of giving you actionable advice on what you're doing wrong and what to improve on, they'll just say things like "there's nothing wrong with you, you'll find the r…
/r/seduction02/08/18 03:27 AM
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I've never had success inviting a girl I just met to a group function. I don't think anyone wants to bother with that, having to meet a bunch of strangers at once just as a pretext for a date. I just ask them on an actual date. If anything, I think being direct shows you just go for what you want and aren't afraid of rejection. "I'm too scared to ask her on a date, maybe I'll just ask her to 'hang out' with my friends!" Plus, I wanna get to know somebody one-on-one before I fold them into the fr…
/r/seduction02/08/18 03:19 AM
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Except on the internet.
/r/seduction01/08/18 02:53 AM
2

A girl started a conversation with me She initiated. Ninety per cent of the work is done for you. Get into some small chat and then ask her to coffee.
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:39 AM
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I don't really know where I'd even meet women if I didn't cold approach. Out of all the dates I've been on, only one has been with a mutual friend. And she was new to the friend group at the time. Everybody else in the friend group is already seeing somebody, it seems.
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:37 AM
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Oh man, this reminds me of a time I screwed up badly. I'm chatting up this woman on the train, who appears to be 10-15 years older than I am. She seems to be enjoying the conversation, and when we get off at the same stop, she asks me if I'm going to the same pub as her, almost excitedly (unfortunately, I'm not). When I finally ask for her number, she's like "I think I'm a little older than you take me for…" I kinda freak out because I try hard not to be persistent or creepy, so as soon as a wom…
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:32 AM
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I hate raves and rave culture, but… I just might try this one.
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:26 AM
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For me, it's campus. Most of the numbers I've gotten that have turned into actual dates rather than flakes have been from campus. I feel like it's because that location automatically puts the woman at ease, because she knows you have at least one thing in common (being a student). It also cuts down ambiguity about age (not as large a chance of accidentally hitting on a mature-looking high-schooler and looking like a creep, or hitting on some older, mature woman who already has her life together …
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:21 AM
1

I have died. I am dead now.
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:15 AM
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Does picking girls up at the gym work if you're not fit? I feel like one of the reasons it's the worst place to pick women up is that there's guaranteed to be swole guys their, so you're being directly compared to them. Not every regular gym-goer has a great physique yet, some are starting their journey toward that. Some of us are still your average, soft, potato-people. I feel like only the dudes in the top echelon there will have their pick of the litter. Especially if the woman is fit herself…
/r/seduction29/07/18 09:11 AM
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It sounds like you may have some pretty strong social anxiety. In fact, it may help to take smaller steps, and work on social anxiety in general before focusing squarely on talking to pretty women in particular. But if you do wanna jump in right away, maybe just try asking women for the time, try to have small talk, rather than asking them out or getting their number. Maybe start with making small talk with female cashiers or something. They are pretty much paid to be nice to you and you already…
/r/seduction28/07/18 11:36 PM
1

It sounds like you may have some pretty strong social anxiety. In fact, it may help to take smaller steps, and work on social anxiety in general before focusing squarely on talking to pretty women in particular. But if you do wanna jump in right away, maybe just try asking women for the time, try to have small talk, rather than asking them out or getting their number. Maybe start with making small talk with female cashiers or something. They are pretty much paid to be nice to you and you already…
/r/seduction28/07/18 11:33 PM
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When I first started cold approaches, I also had the attitude of "wow, being rejected isn't so bad, I'm just proud I had the guts to do it!" And that's a great feeling. But I find that if one continues to not have success after a while, that feeling goes away. I'm still no longer bummed out by any particular rejection. It doesn't ruin my day. I'm more bummed out by the aggregate affect of being rejected by practically everyone. That feeling of "at least I did it" can only last so long before you…
/r/seduction28/07/18 11:25 PM
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Where do you think you are?
/r/seduction28/07/18 07:22 PM
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I was also a little troubled by how OP advocates getting people drunk, but it's simply not true that being drunk makes one unable to consent. One has to be drunk to the point that one cannot appreciate the nature of the acts they are agreeing to or participating in. So, by most jurisdiction's laws, it does mean "too drunk," not just "drunk."
/r/seduction28/07/18 07:18 PM
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TIL I was an actual sperg in high school. All I have to do now is pick up a scientist girl who can make me a time machine.
/r/seduction28/07/18 07:14 PM
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Pretty sure this is the reason that one girl I've ever slept with ghosted me. I couldn't stay hard or stay in. I offered to stimulate her digitally instead, but she said "that's okay," and we went to bed. Didn't tell her it was my first time, because that would be kinda humiliating at my age. But I don't know if it's any more humiliating than her thinking I'm that bad and impotent at sex despite having normal experience. It would be a lot easier to just go "oh well, I'll do better with the next …
/r/seduction28/07/18 05:14 PM
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Uh, lacking the normal romantic experience and success for my age.
/r/seduction28/07/18 03:32 PM
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Nope. 24, almost done university. Moderately large city, for a Canadian city, at least. I'm also a minority (black) in a mostly Caucasian society. I'm not religious, but my parents are Christan, though not regular church-goers. I'm just behind the eightball
/r/seduction28/07/18 01:41 AM
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I have read up on what women tend to prefer in bed, such as the fact that most cannot climax from penetration alone, and how with women, unlike men, subsequent orgasms are easier after the first one. I feel like all the reading in the world is nothing compared to experience, though. And experience has been difficult for me to come by. I've only had sex once, and the girl didn't even want me to go down on her, so the primary ace in my arsenal (cunnilingus before intercourse) was pretty much torpe…
/r/seduction28/07/18 12:31 AM
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Okay, so how do you do this if you're sexually inexperienced and any conversation you try to hold about the topic will make you feel like a fraud discussing something you have no experience with?
/r/seduction27/07/18 06:58 PM
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I like girls with dyed hair, though. :-\
/r/seduction10/07/18 10:08 PM
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I've been approaching women and getting numbers and going on dates for about 1.5 years now. Most numbers don't turn into dates. Of the ones that do, many ghost after a short time. Of the ones nice enough not to ghost, I get the "I'm not feeling it" text. I'm 24 and have never had a gf. Have never gone on more than four dates with the same woman before things fizzled out. I'm also practically still a virgin. So yeah, I'm sure they don't like me.
/r/seduction10/07/18 10:01 PM
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Eh, I wouldn't have any expectations of female friends suddenly changing their opinion of you. There's always the risk that you'll lose a friend because they will be uncomfortable with the advances. As soon as a woman decides she just wants to be friends, I try to forget any possibility of "winning her back," and just keep them as friends and meet new girls. Or else you become that "orbiter" or whatever. Or worse, "that creep who was only pretending to be my friend because he wanted something."
/r/seduction10/07/18 01:59 PM
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Danny DeVito is rich and famous. That's a cheat code for ugly guys to have success with women. For the rest of us, we need looks and confidence and all that lame shit.
/r/seduction10/07/18 01:54 PM
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You know she wants to be approached if she responds positively after you approach her. There's literally zero consequence for approaching somebody who doesn't want to be approached, so long as you cease bothering them as soon as this is made clear. You won't go to jail for saying "hi" to somebody who doesn't want to be spoken to.
/r/seduction10/07/18 06:35 AM
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I dunno, lots of people, including my female friends, tell me I'm the best dressed person they know. I've also had strangers compliment my style. Nobody likes me, though. So, I'm gonna guess that dressing well isn't as important as having a personality.
/r/seduction10/07/18 06:33 AM
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Here's what I don't get: back before I started making an effort to approach women, the very fact that I didn't meant that I was not "chasing" them. This didn't end up making women fall into my lap from the lack of romantic/sexual attention I gave them. It just meant that I never ended up having romantic or sexual interactions with women. Why would "not chasing" yield any different results now? I mean, our culture puts the onus on initiating these interactions on the man. So you need to initiate …
/r/seduction09/07/18 02:15 AM
1

Wow. This video takes on a much different tone in light of recent events.
/r/seduction09/07/18 02:06 AM
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Hey, at least "sorry, you're not my type" is honest, and means that they aren't so terrified of you that they think that the only way you won't go ballistic on them is if they pretend to have a boyfriend. I get a little pep in my step every time a woman doesn't think I might be a sex offender. I'm like, "hey, I must have come across pretty well."
/r/seduction09/07/18 01:59 AM
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I dunno, it's not like I'm waiting to just have a girl fall into my lap "organically," because if it worked like that, I would already have one by now. I do make an effort to approach women and chat with them and get numbers and stuff. But, like, spending money on expensive clubs, buying people drinks, making choices on where I live based upon what will best facilitate meeting chicks… that sounds like money and effort best spent elsewhere. Like planting trees or building homes for the needy or s…
/r/seduction17/05/18 04:13 AM
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Jesus. As much as I desperately wish I received more romantic/sexual attention, I don't want it enough that I'd spend that much goddamn money just to meet women. Can't I just, like, not smell like BO and meet a nice girl at the library or some shit?
/r/seduction17/05/18 02:22 AM
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