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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:52 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:10 PM
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DiscussionFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 01:35 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:00 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 08:48 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:18 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:52 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 06:16 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:28 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 01:14 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:31 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:31 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:45 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:23 PM
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DiscussionFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:56 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:46 PM
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Question for BluePillFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:58 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:27 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:29 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:46 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:43 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:00 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:06 AM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 12:52 PM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:27 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:09 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:27 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:38 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:18 AM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:15 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 05:09 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:31 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:58 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:26 PM
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Question for BluePillFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:45 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 09:13 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:52 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:09 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 08:28 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:30 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:12 PM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:51 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:35 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 08:52 AM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:55 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:15 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 09:56 AM
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Question for BluePillFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:20 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:26 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:01 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:18 AM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:15 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:59 AM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:09 PM
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DiscussionFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:03 AM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:45 PM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:37 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:13 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 09:11 PM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:02 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 10:02 AM
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Question For WomenFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:13 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:43 AM
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Question for BluePillFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:44 AM
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Question for BluePillFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 09:17 PM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:13 AM
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DebateFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:23 PM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:21 PM
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CMVFuuraKafu/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:51 PM
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Gender constructivism is like arguing that any specific difference between the habits of extroverts and introverts is "not set in stone". It's just splitting hairs, it's so uninteresting and boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:12 AM

perfectly fair, his choice, his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:45 PM

I sometimes had to carry dead bodies down to the freezing room at my hospital job. It was surprisingly not a huge deal to me, like of course it's not exactly pleasant but I was ok. What freaks me out is medical interventions that draw blood, I can't. Even if it's a minor thing, like just giving a blood sample. I passed out during a training day for a surgery assistant role.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:40 PM

You are thinking too small here. Everything is informed by sex, we wouldn't even exist without it. Motivation itself is sexual in nature. Wanting something instead of nothing. Sex is like the ritual of existence, it's symbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:29 PM

Tell me one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:06 PM

What's better, being a graceful, elegant creature that creates life, or a glorified monke walking around with his dick out? Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:00 PM

Freud was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:58 AM

Bullshit. Everything is about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:56 AM

I don't have education past high school, I'm low income, my (female) doctor treats me like an idiot, even the seats in public transport are often uncomfortable for me cause I'm tall. I'm doing what I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 10:22 AM

Oh whiny men, oh the oppression olympics, oh the victim complex! Meanwhile women consider men to be privileged over them by default, consider themselves to have drawn the "shorter stick" biologically, consider misogyny real but not misandry, and they are backed by literal academia in all that. I said it before, the gender war is a struggle for weakness, and we should not let women win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 09:55 AM

Oh another direct example, what if a man says he sees losing his virginity with a woman as a checkbox? How does that feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:35 AM

This is often assumed by women about men who express pain about missing out, for example. The general sense I get is as simple as the more direct men are about a generalized desire and the more openly motivated they are by it, the more icky women find it. So I guess one question is can someone be "normal", chill, and considerate while finding something to be really, really important to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:30 AM

Hard disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:51 PM

I think "I see losing my virginity with a woman as a checkbox" would give lots of women the ick, so you're touching on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:49 PM

I don't know, really. I was thinking about how to answer but again, I made the whole post to ask women about it, cause I myself don't fully get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:46 PM

I guess watching porn is my first association from "means to an end" cause that's that kind of process, the starting point is wanting to get off and then you look up keywords or categories, etc, like window-shopping. Or even outside porn it's very normal for men to have an "object of desire" in fantasy if nothing else (while that's apparently much rarer for women). To be honest this criticism feels pretty random and vibe-based to me a lot of the times when women complain about it, except for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:31 PM

I don't really know what women mean by checkbox or a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:22 PM

Is he like demisexual? Or religious? Did you screen for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:18 PM

I'm asking about women's vocabulary. Have you ever said something like "I don't care for m​en seeing women as a checkbox or a means to an end" or seen other women say it? So you tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:17 PM

What does it mean that he "doesn't care for all that?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:15 PM

Do you dislike men seeing women as a means to an end, or like a "checkbox"? Women often do. And then the question is how do you make that distinction in men. If a man develops attraction for women in general let's say around puberty and has this "I would like to experience that sort of thing", isn't that a checkbox/means to an end kinda thing though?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:13 PM

If a man develops attraction for women in general let's say around puberty and has this "I would like to experience that sort of thing", isn't that a checkbox/means to an end kinda thing though?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:10 PM

Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 09:36 PM

Q4A: would you rather be forced to give a bj to a big burly man but receive no physical injuries if you comply, or get a bottle shattered on your face by a drunk and lose an eye?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 09:23 PM
1

People: female characters in Mortal Kombat used to be oversexualized, they are not anymore, arguing about if that is woke or not, so on and so on. Me who finds skin-tight clothing hotter than bikinis:
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:57 PM

I think it's more likely that they just didn't give a crap, but yea, who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:49 PM

I talked to her on facebook a few years back, she says she accidentally saw her parents do it so she wanted to "try". She was like 7-8 years old so she obviously didn't really understand it. According to my dad her father was an alcoholic and they were quite poor, living in a small house.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:46 PM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:28 AM

Okay, but I do not get the scientific/physiological reason why it would have been fundamentally, without question, worse for me the older she was. A kid either can't consent or can.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:12 AM

Was I raped if it was another kid only 2 years older than me who didn't know what she was doing? And I enjoyed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:02 AM
0

If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:49 AM
1

So then for example a man being into a trans woman is a gay attraction, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:37 AM

Confession: pedophilia doesn't upset me much. I understand rationally that it's bad, I'm not pedo either, I just don't get this "this is the worst thing ever" feeling most people seem to, not even close. Probably because I had sexual experiences at a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:25 AM
2

What? You think there is just one sex/gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:54 PM
5

Excuses, excuses. I think it's time to take a good look at yourself and finally decide what's more important to you: us, or your "work".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:21 AM
2

What's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:00 AM

https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1v703rb/common_media_constantly_tries_to_conflate_men_as/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:55 PM

By doing studies on the matter? Theoretically the closest we could get to an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:53 PM

You did not, you insulted my post and myself, you did not say anything about if you think most men are well-adjusted and normal or rapey. Have you seen that study, or the post about it? It's a very concrete thing that presents itself as definitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:42 PM

It's a simple post, don't asnwer if you don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:38 PM

Very vague answer, but fair if you are unsure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:37 PM
1

Choosing the bear for a bit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:06 PM
1

Not my job to pity fuck you, femcel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:05 PM

It's fucking disgusting what she said. Social darwinism and essentially eugenics is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:52 AM
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that makes it easier for the guys that are valued to make it then. The men who succeed will have a higher chance of success That's already what's happening, isn't it? And the trend for now is below replacement level, everywhere we have this freedom of "unrestricted evolution".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:05 AM
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I think you are one out of five million and I know that other women are deeply repulsed and disgusted by helping men this way, and so I think men will fail woth their 1/300 of matches and everything thay represents.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:54 AM
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I'm sorry. Honestly the natural selection and evolution and gene-pool stuff triggered me because on some level I still feel like someone who's not good enough for women, even if I try to tell myself I don't care. It's okay to be optimistic and I respect what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:44 AM
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I don't care. Men will fail. Men cannot live up to women's standard and are subhuman garbage, lame, bland and boring, don't add shit to women's lives. They are into women too easily and like the idea of casual sex too much, they like video games and are lazy, don't have a strong sense of purpose. Men are afraid to initiate and are called retarded beta males who will just write themselves out of the gene pole for that, and they didn't even get raped. Imo freedom equals fundamental incompatibility…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:31 AM

Literally didn't say anything like that, don't want to subjugate women, and maybe we deserve to wither away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:26 AM
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How about my brother getting a glass shattered on his face, or me being bullied into a hardcore introvert after I was an outgoing enthusiastic child? Bad things happen not because they are straight institutionalized but because, idk, suffering is an innate part of life probably. Men not being sexy enough... Coming from a literal sex-worker with about seven million times the default attention just for existing. Whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:21 AM
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Yea sure, men not being nice and respectful enough is the issue, as we all know...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:05 AM
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Women still live in unprecedented freedom and men from developed countries by and large respect their autonomy, but I understand worrying trends. I think men are largely just too lame and loserish for women, men are becoming less sexy and less proactive. They will die out though. Regarded second-class beta males might die out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:01 AM

What do men not understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:43 AM

So you think men will turn from subhuman garbage to "real men" and things will be just fine? Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:37 AM

To humanity. First world countires first and then the whole planet if women's rights hopefully catch up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:28 AM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:18 AM

What will happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:18 AM

Ok but then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:04 AM

And you would maybe have more chances at getting a promotion if you smiled more...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:22 AM

AF BB: incel bullshit, women would never!!! Madonna-whore complex: tragic, sexist phenomenon analyzed and taught in academia. Source: women say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:29 PM

You know it all. My bad. I'm privileged. I don't deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:23 PM

I am sorry that you feel I have a superior life and body. Idk what else to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:05 PM

significantly better chances You understand these words, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:21 PM
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This "og redpill" fetishization some of you are on about here is both repulsive but strangely validating as well. Because it shows that when push comes to shove, when we dig really deep into men's pain from all kinds of directions, the general consensus is "stfu men are supposed to be powerful and in control, loser bitches like you need to be gone." OG redpill is literally toxic masculinity manifest (yes, I actually think that phrase can be valid), and the fact that men struggle to date in a wol…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:00 PM

It doesn't matter what I think or who am I even, obviously I am privileged. Hope you didn't suffer too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:43 PM
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Counterpoint: masses of women talk about the exact same stuff in regards to dating men, period. What makes you think this is about you approaching versus you being open to meet stranger men from what it sound like regularly at like the clubbing scene?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:24 PM

But let me guess, you are not privileged for having significantly better chances at this than a man would.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:20 PM
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Ween - piss up a rope
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:13 PM

I have no idea where you got those numbers from but a quick googling says there are seemingly only slight differences between the work of SAHMs and SAHDs, and the "lazy SAHD" is mostly a sexist stereotype. I have no real reason to believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:35 AM

A privilege, in this context, would be something that's better. Seeing it as equally valid specifically means it's not better or worse. Okay then by this logic men's supposed workplace privileges shouldn't be seen as a privilege either, IF being a homemaker was seen as equally valid. And that goes for "rigid gender roles" of men in general. So why are men fundamnetally privileged to this day again?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:49 AM

Then treat homemakers as victims and figure out strategies against abusers. Don't lie then about "freedom of choice is the point".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:40 AM

There is a difference between being a loser living with bad conscience and being someone embraced and supported by another. But the fact that people live without "having their financial freedom" even in the former circumstance actually highlights that there is more nuance here than "chosing to have money vs chosing not to have money".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:38 AM

being independant and having your own job and finances barely has any cons. There are tons and tons of people stuck in some dead end jobs or jobs they do not like much. I had the conversation of "it would be so good to do something that I genuinely enjoy doing for a living" with many people of all ages. So no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:15 AM

People deny that how a woman dresses makes men feel or even potentially act differently, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:26 AM

I talked about my childhood sxual experience before. And that I greatly enjoyed it. I've been thinking lately that I just don't get people's reactions. I used to be terrified of ever talking about it to anyone, but by now I talked about it online as well as to a handful of people irl, and everybody is very... normal about it. Saying I did nothing wrong, nobody is treating me any different or anything. But I was wrong. It was the best thing that ever happened to me, and that is insane by the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:04 AM
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Wut, a woman saying that a woman's outfit affects male interest? Or am I misunderstanding something?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:38 PM
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My mom does
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:20 PM

Not at all fam, I mean it's a slang to begin with, boys are yoinkin' it around vibe-based.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:57 PM

I am not sure how you couldn’t notice someone “gold digging”. The same way a woman couldn't notice a man "treating him as non-human". Love bombing, infatuation (on both sides), so on and so on. A woman could think she loves a man when she is just infatuated and loves the idea he represents to her, which includes his money to higher degrees than what she likes to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:04 PM

Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:51 PM
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They can be hot as fuck and they are complex humans with a lot of depth. Them being more confident in their beauty and allure, more willing to be dominant and active, and the willingness to engage with men's typical pain points without judgement (like in kink).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:30 PM

It is controversial, because I think in the dating context specifically there are gendered flavors of toxicity because of the asymmetry of heterosexuality, and women can be blamed and criticized for theirs the same way men can for theirs. In other words, I blame women and I'm trying to justify that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:19 PM

Yea, most manipulatuion imo includes lying to yourself as well, it's not very consciously calculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:04 PM

Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:01 PM

Probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:57 PM

You guy are the ones who say that dating only sucks becasue of men and not beacsue of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:56 PM

I did not say that, I literally said both are douches who have no idea what they want, more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:53 PM

Not sure what exactly you mean, but "gold digger" can both refer to self-identyfying gold diggers who look for sugar daddies, and also just women's shallow materialism in dating. My point is about female entitlement and toxicity in dating, but I wanted to narrow that down a bit, especially in the title so it's less vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:51 PM

but if we women are expected to reduce our proximity to red flags Expected by whom? Casue the progressive consensus is that this is sexist bullshit, lol. But yea, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:48 PM

How can you tell if it's super obvious OR if you are just only seeing the super obvious cases casue... you know, those specifically are super obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:40 PM
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I'm not, and I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:26 PM
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We are not most men. We are mercenaries. We have the resources. The will. To make these hours count.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:49 PM
1

The gay mexican couple with their live-in fujoshi girl in Sense8 are surprisingly fun to watch, they are one of my favorites.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:18 PM
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Agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:50 PM
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classy as always XD
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:06 PM
1

What percentage of men are somewhat pedophilic, then? You have a rough estiamte?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:42 PM
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So some women see it as sexualized and male-pandering, the other gets offended by the idea that some people see it like that. Both sides "disagree" with me, somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:39 PM
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Yea, I made this question post to see what women here think. There were just some assumption of my views that aren't really true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:25 PM
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I don't judge them, I occasionally dabble myself, they can be cute and surprisingly authentic ime. But I don't like "follow" any and I almost only watch them reacting to/playing stuff I like, for example a lot of Vtubers played Slay the Princess which is one of my favorite games and I like seeing people react to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:07 PM
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Okay, I would encourage you to look at some of the other women's replies though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:59 PM
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A lot of this is very unfounded, tons of women roll their eyes at characters made by men for men that have huge very animated bouncy boobs and miniskirts and such "for no reason". And women doing stuff like that for a male audience that literally pays them too is seen as fishy by many, to say the least. I refuse that this question popped out of my head compeltely unfoundedly just because I'm a pervert, you either haven't seen a lot of vtubers or you're just bad faith. I think it's a reasonable q…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:45 PM
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Rude
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:36 PM
2

Neither is arguing with lefty normies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:32 PM
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Okay? Look, you get to argue with pillers without feeling like you are "falling prey to ragebait" while you accuse me of falling prey to ragebait. The subreddit's culture somehwat backs you up in that. Like yea, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:24 PM
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But not only redpillers make posts here and far from all posts are even adressed to them exclusively (would be question to redpill posts). Making a post is in the majority of the cases coming up with a topic, it's not addressing an individual. "Hey how about this slutshaming thing" being thrown out there is as much of a strawman as "what about this woman mocking male mental heath day" is. Well, not exactly, cause of how the subreddit is set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:03 PM
1

The fact that the whole EU is now only taking Ukrainian refugees "who have no military duties" is sick. Like no, this is not just one country who is outright saying they value male lives less. Btw I live in a country neighbouring Ukraine and I happen to be male so this is not just pure "keyboard warrior getting mad about random shit" "But but they don't want to interfere" sure and if after the war Ukraine demands all their female refugees back for their new obligatory repopulation policy, no one…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:22 PM
1

All of this gets much more muddy if we consider a couple of fairly accepted findings: Emotional abuse can be just as bad and have very similar psychological effects as physical abuse. It seems like abuse is more often than not two-ways. The women are wonderful effect does exist. This is more anecdotal but I have heard therapists say that their clients have a roughly equal split of male/female abusers. And 91% of female prisons are women who have been abused/victims of DV. But this in contrast to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:06 PM
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I really dislike how this subreddit is inherently based on and around the redpill, to be honest. How one side gets to be "reactive" and the other doesn't. I could link a video with hundreds of thousands of views of a woman saying some vile shit, or I could bring up some issues I have with literal academia, and I get hit with "this is terminally online why care"... by people who come here and actively battle redpill and manosphere, whether cause of entertainment or worries about the youth or a mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:34 PM
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Granted, Gen Z men seem like selfish unprepared lovers. Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:52 PM
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Yea that's young lol. I don't have education past highschool, on second thought something like "nurse assistant" is probably the English term for what I was. I did go to nurse school but dropped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:52 PM
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18, I was a nurse for a few months then I moved to another hospital where I was "patient transport". You?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:39 PM
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Idk how to interpret that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:11 AM
4

I'm a mess, ppd pls lend me your strength, just this once
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:54 AM
1

triple the amount of women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:00 PM
1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpbywVudzOc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:10 PM
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When I was a kid, I used to be skeptical about men being stronger in a fight than women cause men have balls. So how about ball-kicking? Surely a woman could defeat a man that way, I just thought people consider that "playing dirty" or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:43 AM
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Online friendship and we met irl for the first time a few months ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:43 PM
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My hope is no longer attached to her. It's been 5 years. I feel relieved and like this is for the best, yet I'm sad. Mourning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:49 AM
1

Do you think one person doing grocery shooping + laundry and the other person doing every general cleaning is about fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:53 PM
1

Quiet down man, there are women here, don't give them ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:37 PM
1

I was never close with my bosses, and I get your point but I don't fully agree. But do you see how this basically becomes almost a classist argument? In a way you are saying that money should stick to money and power should stick to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:11 PM
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Age/experience gap, income gap
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:06 PM
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Any
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:52 PM

I know right? But at the same time this confirms that this woman is into me, which is something I felt for a while but of course you can never be sure. And that's exciting, I wanna not chicken out and try to get to know her, ask her to hang out. Also it's just funny that my mom does this the very same day I had this inner shift and "I made up my mind" moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:59 PM

I got some weed recently and had some revelations the other day after I lit my pipe. About my online friend/lover, I admitted to myself that I do not feel a strong passion or attraction towards her. I love her as a person, we helped each other a lot, we trust each other a lot, in some ways being with her physically was also great, but I think I did kind of... stubbornly wanted it to be more than what it is. I wrote this down to her yesterday, and she basically agreed, we shall just be friends. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:29 AM
1

All the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:50 AM

Deep
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:27 PM

"my only job in life is to stay true to myself."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:27 PM

If I weren't shy, I would have dated like an extroverted high libido guy and would have had a quite different life. Ime fat women are just more likely to take a proactive role with shyer guys. It's basically the inverse of the fat man + fit woman combo. A fat man can still date a fit woman if he is proactive/confident/charismatic. A fat woman can still date a fit man if she is willinng to be more proactive/confident/charismatic than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:10 PM
1

The fantasy is still taking advantage of a naive teen. Not necessarily, like it could be about classmates being with each other. Heck, "teacher" category from a male student's pov is pretty common too. But yea, I get that there is a tonal difference between agressor and victim fantasies. I think it's just not that straighforward as one being mostly ok and the other mostly not. Reminds me of a discussion I saw between women in some BDSM related posts, talking about how they are getting kinda turn…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:02 PM

I'm kinda grumpy at Obsession cause it moggs Backrooms in the online discourse department. Besides, I basically spoiled the plot to myself already. Not watching it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:34 PM

Fat women only, maybe 3-4 throughout my life. It sorta makes sense. I'm shy, but in-shape and tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:45 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:56 PM
3

Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:54 AM

Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:06 AM

To love means to know a person and love something about them Not necessarily, love is a broad term. People say stuff like "I love cats" all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:19 AM

It's ironic how there is that flavor of "women's ally" men who literally only think with their dicks. "Too much words, go out there, dick in pussy. I did dick in pussy, you can't? lol". "Why word so much, dick inside pussy no? You word-nerd?" "Well I don't have uissues, I have dick in pussy. Maybe be like me and then dick in pussy." "Empathy? Code word for dick in pussy. Dick in pussy. I have dick in pussy. U no?" Regarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:09 PM

Run. Find a good man, like the majority of women here did. Stand up agaisnt opression if you feel like it or at least like a youtube video that tries to talk about something that's important to you. Women should liberate themnselves from internalized mysoginy. How about men? Making peace with all women hating the idea of "being with a man" by default is something entirely different than anything you are supposed to deal with. It's disheartening to hear women talk about how pathetic and weird the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:03 PM
1

You get 300 times the matches on apps than I would, which is emblematic of ancient dynamics that in fact is there in real life too. I know several very shy women who magically ended up in relationship by the time they turned 20 after they went toa social event like once - they would be incels as men. These are women's privileges. Your go. Tell me how unattractive and weird that "rant" was, miss "no disgust". I'm rolling my eyeballs out of my skull over here, only so much gaslighting I can take.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:49 PM

So long as there is space for "some men struggle with this" in this "it is what it is"... but that's a contradiction, becasue "thiose men can fuck off". Women are fucking brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:43 PM
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And yeah, the only reason you'd take that mild disgust badly is if you were a little steeped in some kind of wonky thought process sometimes referenced under toxic masculinity or one too many manosphere podcasts Source: I say so. But thanks for illustrating my issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:24 PM

Have your mild disgust, but don't act like it doesn't affect men, don't mock men or pathologise men with "toxic masculine guy listened to too much manosphere" when men express feeling shame about asking women out due to fear of being seen as a creep, and don't assume that this mild disgust cannot be misplaced. These are the kind of things I take issue with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:24 PM

If most women did not, then when it's brought up how much more attention and dating opportunities they get than men, their first association wouldn't be harassment, oppression and rape. But it is. That's the mild disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:13 PM
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If your definition of "not wanting" is having grievances with the opposite gender, then no, almost all women has some and most still date men. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you would bring this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:47 PM

Let me get this straight. If I said ​Women get several hundred times more matches on apps, much more dating opportunities in general, and they typically don't have to initiate. They have it good. You think there are women who wouldn't immediately associate to a lifetime of gender-specific suffering they have been through and which they feel like I'm dismissing entirely with my above statement and with me thinking they have it good? In other words, while would "normal regular people who like dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:52 AM

Except what I'm saying IS near universally true and what you are saying isn't, there are plenty of men who don't say stuff like that even here. Women don't hate men, they are mildly disgusted by the vague idea of "being with a man", that's all I'm saying. You have good reasons to. And it's fucking daunting. I don't care how unattractive it is to say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:39 AM
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My point is not about the reality of women, which I can see. It is to push back against other people defining men's basic reality. Such as "no, dating women is not difficult, confusing or contradictory at all, and women's default disgust doesn't hurt men. You are wrong." You can justify, explain, and even ask for empathy and understanding for how dating feels as a woman and why it's kind of disgusting, you don't get to say "men should not be affected b y this btw and it doesn't matter if they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:25 AM

​Women get several hundred times more matches on apps, much more dating opportunities in general, and they typically don't have to initiate. They have it good. Women rolling their eyes at this and sarcastically going "sure I get to date the average random dude with horny penis, how awesome..." is not an "algorithm" thing, it's a default woman thing. There are a bunch of people explaining to me that women have very good reasons to feel this way in this very thread. The lengths some people go to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:38 AM

I know it won't. Not the point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:35 AM

If you don't want to date men, date women or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:33 AM

What I meant is that women like this are virtually every women. "Yaaay I get to date a random average dude with a horny penis​, how good do I have it... ​ew" is mainstream and uncontroversial. Men have no choice but to take it IF they want to date women. Of course they can just not do that. Women can date men while they avoid men who "blame women" because men who don't roll their eyes at the general idea of them dating women exist. In the context of heterosexual dating, "reasonable general disgu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:54 AM

Empathy, which is as you say "besides the point"... very compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:35 AM
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Ew
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:49 AM
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"Oh slice me a piece of cheese..." in what context do they say this old proverb?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:55 PM
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And a lot of philanthropists are secretly women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:15 PM
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When women say "men are privileged" they imagine attractive, confident, extroverted rich men, that's why they say "all men" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:40 PM
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Not my job to educate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:18 PM
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What if you are just saying you don't care becasue you want to appear macho? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:10 PM
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It's something I heard brought up by two people who work in mental health. Why would my own personal experience worth more? I'm as much of a random person to you as the people I refer to. Theys are Dr.K and GarbiellaWolfeTherapist, I'm not feeling like digging up when exactly they talked about it though, I must apologize about that. Yes, I've never been to therapy. But I've also seen men complain about this sort of stuff online. Imo it's fairly probable that there is some truth to this criticism…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:09 PM
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How does "patriarchy" even come up in therapy? There was a video of a woman making fun of "male mental health day" or something like that, just a very short video where she was like "idgaf, fuck men". There was a video reaction to that made by a guy who was upset and talking about how many men are suffering and suicide rates and such. Then there was a reaction video to THAT made by a literal college professor using very diplomatic language to say that this guy is overreacting or "missing the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:57 PM
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What you mean what is the question? You just answered it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:57 AM

the way to go about getting sympathy Sometimes it feels like there is none. Women are barely even willing to admit that probably at least 51% of them would prefer to date a guy who is taller than them. Meanwhile my mom has expressed feeling bad about aging and losing her beauty - internalized misogyny, right? Poor victim. If wider society deems a certain problem "autistic", don't get surprised when it surfaces that way. In fact, be happy: it's what you guys want. An entertaining trainwreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:45 AM
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Feeling inspired
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:14 PM
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Aside from sex, what's your favorite thing in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:00 PM
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Most people don't achieve anything big, I certainly haven't, and I have a sausage. And no one is "valued" for much outside of people who like them. It's not like women have terrible friend groups. Sure, you have some disadvantages in some areas but so do men. I get having some reservations about male sexuality though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:24 PM
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Come on now, that's a little overly dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:03 PM
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no government dustributed chaste husbandos for u
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:36 PM
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"Porn gives the unrealistic expectation to young people that sex could be fun"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:22 PM
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Last time, you promised me you would tell a smut-vibrator addict woman who says "men can't compete with this" that she is probably a malfunctioning addict, like you told me. Just a reminder.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:25 PM
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Nobody understands meeeee
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:22 AM

How about a 100% scientific prediction that your child is going to have magical abilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:44 PM
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Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:02 PM
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Sometimes you gotta take one for the team. Someone has to keep the ladies entertained.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:33 AM
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Maybe i'm too much of an eastern European, but in my home country I hear stories like these from all sorts of people including men. I worked in healthcare myself, and I had difficult-ish times with doctors too. I know a guy who got left with a straight up hole on his palate after his tonsillectomy and almost bled to death through his mouth a few days later, but there are like a million examples, really. I know healthcare as a patchwork solution where people will try to keep you alive, and that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:33 PM
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It's in part also just women complaining imo. The truth is, there IS a lot of "if you are a man who doesn't smell and respects women, you are a needle in a haysack" level ranting in lefty-feminist leaning spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:20 PM
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Saying that our fictional turn-ons say nothing about us is the other end of the extreme though. In a broader sense, fiction has always been how people grapple with challenging ideas from a safe distance. Yea, so what this shows us is what challenging ideas move us, draw us in, resonate. I think sexuality itself is a little paradoxical by nature and the dissonance between women's often cited dislike of being put in a vulnerable position by men and how much that's present in "dark romance" is a di…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:35 AM
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My dick goes out to all the lonely males out there, and my prostate aches for all the lonely women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:07 AM
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When I was reaching puberty, my parents went through an I would say semi-messy divorce, which my younger brothers were very visibly affected by and for some reason I thought I shouldn't be a bother on too of that. Meanwhile we had a new influx of kids in school and the boys turned incredibly obnoxious - putting toilet water in each other's bottles level pranks, racist as fuck jokes, loud as fuck, cheating, smoking at like 12, harassment of girls until most of them changed schools, farting into e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:58 PM

In the free developed world, men have a much, much bigger incentive to buy women's narratives than the other way around because human heterosexuality is based on the very basic dynamic of men needing to earn women's trust - unless they take women by force, which is exactly what we are trying NOT to do. This COULD lead to some bias on a macro level, and could lead to a lot of.collective soft-power women can end up having culturally. Which is already happening imo, but I'm curious if this thought …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:50 PM
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I'm not ashamed to be ashamed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:37 PM
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"18th-century philosopher Immanuel Kant argued that, at its core, sexual desire is inherently objectifying and reduces people to "mere things" or tools for satisfaction."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:31 AM
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Dude, relax. If you stretch every day, eventually you may be able to give yourself fellatio. There are even surgical procedures that can help with that. YOu can also self-fist if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:42 PM

By size difference I meant the whole body, men being bigger and stronger, lol. But idk, again, nobody would give a crap about any of incels grievances not being as prevalent between gay men. Same sex interactions are a different deal that don't come with quite the same baggage as heterosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:13 PM

Hmmm, then I would imagine you see these issues more than a "regular" escort. I'm asking because one of my occasions was with an escort but it didn't feel like she dealt with this too often. That's pretty awesome though that you are doing this, good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:55 PM

80%? If I may ask, are you like a regular escort, or do you specialize in something? And is this common?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:51 PM
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I don't think so because I valued these experiences and found the differences interesting. How physical and "bodily" it is. And as I said, I literally already enjoyed my experiences and was quite present in them, did not think of porn or recreating things or whatever. Like, I don't feel like there is an issue, it's just "this other new thing is more challanging for me than I thought".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:46 PM

Whataboutism? It's just a massive double standard that is absolutely relevant here. Women's performance or "ruining themselves with smut and vibrators" does not come up in feminist scoial science circles. You know, where the orgasm gap is talked about. It's literally a massive tonal difference in people's reaction to literally the same thing done by different genders. Don’t post on reddit if you want to be left alone Please, women aren't even comfortable telling us their relationship history whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:39 PM

So?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:11 PM

Let me guess, does not apply to women's werewolf darkromance smut.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:10 PM

Lesbians don't have size difference, pregnancy worry, and all the general societal grievances and pain points women associate with men. This proof is dubious to me the same way "gay men have a much easier time finding casual sex partners so clearly incels suffer cause women" would be. It's probably an oversimplification. I do think there is some truth to what you are saying, don't get me wrong, but I don't know if it's the primary cause. This suggests that male skill with female partners is inde…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:04 PM

Pseudoscience. It's different, but I don't see why it necessarily makes it so you can only enjoy one or the other. You can play both soccer and football.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:54 PM
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I can accept that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:47 PM
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This is a debate post, not a "psychoanalyze me" post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:19 PM

These being potential causes does not mean "penis loses sensitivity." Excessive fantasizing potentially making it hard to appreciate the real deal is not male exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:14 PM

There are degrees, and there are very different ways of coping. Orgasm problems being more common for women kind of lines up with a lot of things other than just "man bad, more selfish". Including biological differences, the fact that women get pregnant, early bad experiences, uncomfortable with sexualization, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:41 PM
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if anything, you should be able to relate to women, as trauma and anxiety are often why women also struggle That's literally what I was trying to say. It's an oversimplification to say men are bad partners when women talk about souch default anxiety and worries and bad exoeriences about the whole realm of sexuality. I thought I could maybe avoid making this about my own personal life too much because "you had trauma so this doesn't count".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:37 PM
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My entire post is titled "the discourse around orgasm gap isn't fair". I was arguing about things that not you said indeed. That's the whole context here. If people are gonna analyze my masturbation habits and throw it in my face like "you yourself said", I think it's valid to explain why I said it. I have a unique relationship with sexuality, I like masturbating, you don't know me, and I didn't ask for advice. Idk how else I could put it. I had sex a total of 4 times and I have childhood trauma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:25 PM

I do not believe you have hard evidence for this. Dicks don't physiologically change from that sort of stimulation, but getting used to getting off one way could absolutely psychologically affect anyone short term. People can have a hard time eating raw vegetables if they are not used to it. It's not rocket science. But good thing I don't just masturbate with death grip then. It's good to mix things up from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:09 PM

I don't belive that anyone is fully comfortable with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:02 PM

I bring up women mocking men and blaming men with the fact they can have better orgasms alone. I'm saying I have better orgasms alone, but I do not blame my partners for it. All I'm arguing for is a bit more nuance. As I said in another comment, I absolutely loved the physical touch, this whole framing that I "ruined myself" is just so one dimensional and it's not what I would tell a woman either. Being with another person is a whole other world compared to solo activity. I have some struggles w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:55 PM

I really really enjoyed phsical contact. Exploring each others body, kissing. The tenderness specifically with one person was amazing. It's far from a solo activity. Would you also think your girlfriend has something wrong with her if she said she is ok with no orgasm and doesn't want to stress about it, if the experience is otherwise good? I think I have inhibitions of this degree due to a childhood sexual experience, if you wanna know.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:41 PM

I dial it down sometimes literally to enhance masturbation itself. The desire can build up, time itself is an aphrodisiac. It's fun. I do know that and I literally tried tbat before sex too. But again, basically every woman who talks about the orgasm gap tends to add that women can do much better alone or with a vibrator. I'm just saying the same to highlight that I can relate. I do not think masturbation is bad in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:35 PM

It's not logical - you barely know me, I did not ask for advice, and I straight said I don't regret anything and enjoyed these experiences. It's uncalled for and disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:25 PM

Both men and women can be bad lovers or selfish. I'm writing this from the perspective that the orgasm gap talk is generally way too judgemental of men and puts a lot of blame on them without much nuance. A lot of other factors would already predict a bit of an orgasm gap other than "man bad", such as how it's actually not THAT uncommon that women can't orgasm on their own either. If a woman can get off with one guy and not with the other, the chances are high the issue is in a guy. Or it could …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:14 PM

Am I really saying something that outrageous? I have literally seen feminists argue that women are shamed and harassed so much that a lot of women suppress sexuality. Also, most women seem to be a little wary of men by default. I'm not putting fault on women, I'm saying that inhibitions can make orgasms much harder. That sounds about right to me. Like, why wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:49 AM

I'm an outlier in some ways, amongst men. But sex IS kind of difficult and awkward for everyone, including men. Yes, I do belive that. Being embarrassed about getting naked around other people is already a "mind blockage", it is that simple. But don't women experience a lot of difficulties, including harassment from a young age? Would it really be surprising if a lot of them had inhibitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:23 AM

"death grip" vs "I have my vibrator, why would I need a man... eyeroll". I do dial it down though around those times, I think that's a good idea. But aside from that, just leave me alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:59 AM

Not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:07 AM
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Then don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:06 AM

What you mean "that bad?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:55 AM

I'm not convinced. We literally live in an age where young people grow up on screens and are famously bad at socializing. And I can also imagine couples simply being stuck in this stage, if they are not the best at communicating or if both of them have inhibitions. It does feel fairly "stuckable" to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:46 AM
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"marriage is cringe, unless you are gay"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:29 PM

You are mixing some things together. A very picky person and a very indiscriminate person can both be fairly unhealthy people who don't really know what they want. Pickiness is not an automatic sign of like healthiness or self-worth any more than the oposite. But the whole "men have low standards" thing is a bit disingenuous. It's a perfectly reasonable standard to be willing to have some sort of casual experience with someone you see phisically desirable. For anyone who is ok with casual sex ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:54 AM
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It's disingenuous to equate more attention purely to catcalling or "pushy stuff" though. Also, men might suspect it's a trick or just be confused with that level of directness. You even admit there was a sarcastic tone to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:35 AM

To have options, but those options to be kind, respectful and honest and non entitled And to have wings would be cool. But the reality is, it's fantastical. And you probably feel that way too, like most women. That's why you find it a mix of laughable and offensive/entitled when men wish for more options. I think there is a deeper, more realistic desire there, at least 100% in me, and that's simply to be understood and accepted, pain and all, by someone of the opposite gender. But no, never. I g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:41 PM

Men would be more motivated to play their part if things were clearer. I feel like me having to compensate and bridge the gap of excitability is on me and that feels inescapable. And that feels really stupid when on top of that a large chunk of the opposite gender just... disagrees. I don't know what to compare that to, but it's just... Ok, then I won't initiate I guess? Is that it? Or I won't use a dating app even though I know people irl who met there, cause it's offensive if I think about how…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:21 PM

I admit I did not think about stuff like pedophilia or like sadistic urges. I was thinking of typical easy male sexuality, eg. liking ass. There is no "good rational reason" for genitalia-contact, it's self-serving, and therefore its normalcy is relative. In other words, women "don't make more sense" for liking proactive confidence than men who are more okay with shyness in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:09 PM

My brother was suicidal. He is one of the closest people to me and I have been through a lot with trying to help him, most of you can't even comprehend how it was. And you yap about treating suicidal people like dogs, "oh it's only hurting their feelings". From the bottom of my heart, fuck you. Seriously, women can't even accept something like "rape cases are notoriously hard to prove" and you are talking about "but but but this is a difficult issue", yea, sure. Emotional domestic abuse is incre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:34 PM

It's the fact that women get several hundred times more matches on dating apps, and everything that emblematically represents. It's how men have to be the pursuers, how they have to initiate and sell themselves, which requires more social fluency and more confidence than what it takes for a woman to date or experience anything sexual. Is the fact that I typed this down what makes me a misogynist who sees you as a one-dimensional object? Can you help me pin-point where that happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:55 PM

Tell the same shit to "marxist feminists", sexist coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:49 PM

Women and men increasingly being alienated from each other and hetero pessimism. Reproduction itself is tied to dating dynamics. It's quite an important topic. And it does not need that much more research than what the already existing scientific consensus needed (which is that every imbalance is due to patriarchal socialization and out of men's desire to oppress women). Understanding ourselves is arguably always gonna be part philosophy, and all that takes is discourse. Like, what do you want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:41 PM

The world can be observed and understood and generally humans are quite confident in their belief that we can do such things. It's the fact that women get several hundred times more matches on dating apps, and everything that emblematically represents. It's how men have to be the pursuers, how they have to initiate and sell themselves, which requires more social fluency and more confidence than what it takes for a woman to date or experience anything sexual. If you care enough to just react to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:24 PM

How did you dodge the dynamic in your personal life, if I may ask? You asked all the men out, none of whom ever got excited by a piece of ass, which you know for a fact. Or are you a lesbian/asexual/celibate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:09 PM

Why don't you care about instituionized scientific branches being about the actual truth? Even if you don't care, what do you gain by opposing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:00 PM

I actually think women are pretty at peace with being the more sexually valuable gender. Ok what if we could push that to be the scientific consensus. you idiot XD
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:58 PM

I hope you have some friends or family or someone who value you for other things too, but again, deep connections are hard and rare for everyone imo. So I have the same "then what" question. Ok, you and most women want to like... dodge the dynamic. As a man, I don't feel like I can dodge proactivity and still experience something like basically every single introverted women I knew did. And I don't feel motivated to be proactive when women don't like being seen as I see them, which is physical b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:49 PM

Eh, I don't know. It's not like a dominant is forced to do anything they are not comfortable with either. The sub has the final say because it's stuff being done to them. But I would still say that the literal act of overpowering someone is a powerful position to be in, even if it's like a layered thing. Not to mention professional dominatrixes can easily make a fortune. They are badass.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:44 PM

Lmao. So you are here putting "loser men" in their place, that's your "important battle"? But literal institutionized scientific consensus is irrelevant. And I was generalizing. I think women getting several hundred times the matches is a clear enough expression of the underlying dynamic of what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:39 PM

I'll ask you too, extremely direct and actionable thing, would you be okay with people pushing for gender studies courses to talk about men as the less sexually desired and less beautiful gender/sex? Cause that's currently definitely not flying there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:46 PM

That's a no then, just good old misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:30 PM

I want to emphasize that either all types of sexual desires are reasonable or none, and that all of this is massively one-sided. I'll ask you too, extremely direct and actionable thing, would you be okay with people pushing for gender studies courses to talk about men as the less sexually desired and less beautiful gender/sex? Cause that's currently definitely not flying there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:54 PM

I'm a working class cis male who probably makes less money than you and doesn't feel particularly "valued" by a lot of people or wider society, anyone other than my immediate family and a few friends. Like a lot of 'whiny losers", I also had massive defining experiences of not fitting in growing up. "Emotionally valued", when if I accidentally have a higher pitched voice crack or tear up at a movie while others can see, that's gay. Yall have a huge benefit in dating as you are valued as a full h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:01 PM

I don't fully disregard it. Just in large part.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:52 PM

Both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:50 PM
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Then why do you think men's whining is routinely characterised as "they failed to grow with the times" or "they think they are entitled to women with 0 effort" as opposed to "they don't know how to fulfil their gender role as the pursuers"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:26 PM

Women don't have to change because men cannot get dates. Women would be cool to change because they are various degrees of flawed and unhealthy, just like men, and they too are tangled in gender dynamics, they make up about half of them, while they are currently refusing to self-reflect collectively. Like, you understand that "men need to change, need to do better" is a completely uncontroversial statement in progressivism? You thinking that literally NONE of anything like that applies to women …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:23 PM

Okay? I take an issue with mainstream progressivism and academia denying this. I was literally banned from a femdom subreddit for talking about how the theme of alluring power resonates with a lot of men who are into femdom, and was told to educate myself about patriarchy because only men have power over women. This ideology is pervasive. No, I do not feel comfortable with the idea of dating women because I feel like largely speaking there IS a disconnect. The world is trending towards women den…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:50 AM

To who? Do you even agree with the person I replied to? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:31 AM

What makes me think general you don't is ten years of gender discourse, looking at leftist content, amd the literal state of academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:06 AM

Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:20 PM

"Repression of desire leads to a desire for repression"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:26 PM

Yea, so men only worth less because they are the way they are and beacause they were born into this world. And I dislike women being neurotic confidence-addicts. Again, just hate each other then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:19 AM
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Men are insecure about having to be big and strong = Andrew Tate brainwashed them into defected weirdo males, women only have totally normal expectations, wtf, women don't even care, are you autistic. Men are insecure about being short = same. So on and so on. The answer is always just "loser and defected men dunking", which is the most important progressive pillar of dating discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:14 PM
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Because it's simply really hard to relate to pitying the opposite gender for something I see as a valid grievance of them that probably has biological roots. All of those that women have do not make me feel like I can either care about it out of forced charity, or look away. But I get that when it comes to literal desirability itself, that's like... yea, that's not easy to get around. But for example it could facilitate more sex-work positive attitudes, which imo would be a win. And again, I sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:07 PM
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Anything that men are insecure about is misogynistic indoctrination and hating women, that's the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:55 PM
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I believe that the truth is important, and I believe more people being able to accept it would change things, at least subtly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:50 PM
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Just out of curiosity, if I said that the very specific and actionable thing I want is to start to heavily advocate for gender studies courses in academia to talk about how men are the less desirable gender, would you be okay with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:45 PM
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Really like this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:44 AM
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If your intent was to disagree with my initial assament of how women are better off, you would have said so, instead you asked "what does any of that have to do with loneliness" which is either just low IQ, or much more likely bad-faith and gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:45 PM

Yea because I just so happened to find the one woman who toooootally doesn't believe women are better adjusted more fulfilled more emotionally intelligent and less useless, less weird than men... You literally belong to the gender that finds it laughable when men think your gender having much more interest and dating opportunities is enviable, because dating men sucks so much. At least don't gaslight me, if you've ever seen another woman argue in the gender wars, you would understand where my im…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:32 PM

Whatever, good luck turning into a lesbian if you aren't one already
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:23 PM

Every single one? You think better adjusted, more sociable, more emotionally intelligent and open people with literally better social circles who are much less likely to be addicted to whatever flavor of "stupid shit" are on average going to be "just as lonely" as that other, shittier gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:12 PM
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Yea, I do not belive that the people who's ONLY reaction to this stuff is explaining why it doesn't matter and why it's irrational and foolish for someone to be upset by it actually find these comments bad. They are perfectly fine with them and just gaslighting in order to maintain their superiority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 02:56 PM

Only one of my points was about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:51 PM

So women claim: They are more connected to their emotions and can express them more. They have better social circles and better friendships. They do better, meaningful things as opposed to playing video games or whatever. They are just better, more well rounded people all around, so much so that they lament not being lesbians. They don't care about sex and relationships (which they have a much easier time getting). So... Why is it not a "male loneliness epidemic", then? How come women are "just …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:30 PM
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And you are lacking the fists for my gaping backhole, stick-wrists, but you don't see me helicopter my dick about it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:43 PM

Idk, had to google it, apparently reviving fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:57 PM

Not me though, I'm a proud degenerate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:45 PM

Sure, it's just funny. And kinda cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:53 PM
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Women: men aren't mindless beasts, they should behave themselves, it's not women's job to pacify them! Women's smut: literally pacifying werewolves and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:54 PM
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Thanks, bye
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:26 AM
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Idk, because she has a functioning braincell and isn't a sociopath, maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:25 AM
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If I ever meet a dating app-user woman who says "sorry" for me getting 1/500 of the matches she gets, I'll conclude my mission here as a success and never set foot in here again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:09 AM
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You do not give sympathy. You think men are wrong in the head and have incorrect feelings and thoughts. You pity them for being musguided. If I said I find it a unique kind of brutal to be born as the significantly more eager gender that gets a fraction of the dates women can easily opt into, as highlighted by dating apps, that I envy women and don't likey dating role and how I'm suppose to go about impressing them and stuff, you would think I'm wrong in the head. And if not you, then 99% of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:42 AM
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"the hate" said by the gender that despises being more wanted and desired and having a significantly easier time dating than men because they hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:14 AM
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Insult of the day: dickhead
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:46 AM
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But you don't care about the leftist hemisphere hating me from the bottom of their hearts and women not having empathy for male dating struggles, as you didn't get OP's point and argued against ger, gaslighted. Fuck tbe world. All of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:27 AM

It upsets me because these arguments are often used to shame and mindfuck men and to downplay the suffering of sexlesness and being the objectively less desirable gender, privileged sex-haver with several hundred times the attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:19 AM

The opposite can be just as harmful, and imo it is. Pretending that women and men work the same can make men feel really fucking stupid and shameful when they feel like how they see women lines up with sex work being insanely fucking asymmetrical by the genders, dating being insanely fucking asymmetrical by the genders, and so on. If I have to exist I a world where quite literally nothing will ever happen to me unless I initiate, where women get several hundred times the matches on apps than me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:58 AM
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Not putting it mockingly in quotes would be a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:56 AM
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It doesn't necessarily hurt less when men emasculate other men, but that's like rivalry/general assholery that latches onto this idea. The core of it imo comes from this common mechanism of women, that's where it comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:59 AM
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I have felt a few times, mostly one time, like something clicked in a woman's head and she switched, sort of looking at me like a child. The context was me probably over-sharing about my social anxiety troubles (I was younger and worse in that department than now). I think this is a unique experience because women like to be impressed by men, or they instinctively see men's potential as like "freer beings" (non-bound by pregnancy, bigger, stronger, more privileged, whatever), or even see them as…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:01 PM
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No they can't. Only the mother can.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:37 PM
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Thay's why you and every woman wholeheartedly fucking despise men who do not want to be fathers in scenarios like this, right? Don't make me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:32 PM

You think a parent can just abandon an already born child with zero responsibilities? You're seriously advocating for that? What about the kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:25 PM

You shouldn't legally be able to slither out of the responsibilities for creating a life - this is already the idea with men. I thought this went without saying. It's not about what the parents want, it's about the CHILD's needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:20 PM

Most abortions are carried out not because a woman doesn't want to be pregnant but because neither she nor her sex partner want to bring a child into the world for whatever reason Wait, what? I have never seen anyone say this on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:19 PM

Okay, then I guess anyone CAN do this, but there are no guarantees. As you said, it is possible there wouldn't be enough adoptive parents, so it's kind of a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:16 PM

Assuming the parents could just give it up for adoption You mean by paying child support until the child reaches adulthood?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:13 PM
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I read that as "honest and starfish" at first
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:58 PM

I'm here to get sex with my displays of allure to women, and to legislate oppressive rules. According to my debate opponents, that is...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:31 PM
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And yours creep me out every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:28 AM

them getting SEVERAL HUNDRED times the matches on dating apps and all that symbolically expresses Is the whole sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:55 AM

The hell are you talking about, I never said that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:52 AM

Lastly, what are you hoping to get out of this, really https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1s9fwf3/do_you_try_to_avoid_men_who_dont_have_empathy_for/ What I'm hoping to get out of this a world where I'm comfortable with the idea of being around women and being able to be seen and understood by them as the objectively less desired gender who has feelings and experiences about that, and isn't despised or being seen as a disgusting freak for it. I want women to not despise me for how …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:23 AM
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Absolutely agree. It is legitimately misandry, and people who can't see it are lying and misandristic themselevs. Y
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:15 AM
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You are just gaslighting me and are wrong. What, you think a gender role is when a strict military personnel walks up to you and says "woman, there, pick that up and wash it. Men, there, runa round. I have gin I shoot you. Do it." You have a ridiculously simplistic outlook on what a gender role is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:27 AM

I have seen people countless times refer to "men and women experience sexuality differently" to be gender essentialism. I would wager that the majority of self-describing feminists would say so. And it makes sense to me too. It is. It is a gendered essence. Literally. And it does come with gender roles. Being the more easily excitable gender is a uniquely gendered thing to navigate and it is reflected in everything dating. Being the smaller gender that has to deal with the bigger one too. You ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:55 PM
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I just know myself. Women cannot define for me how to see them, only how to treat them, they can absolutely draw boundaries and do what they want. I also don't get to define for women how to see me, eg I can't demand them to not be affected by our size and strength difference. I don't know why you take issue with me feeling like I am drawn easier to women than they are to men when everything reflects that. Do you have some actionable steps to change the pursuer/pursued dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:46 PM

There was a pair of videos in which a man walked up randomly to 100 women asking if they would like to have sex with him, and in the other a woman walked up to 100 men asking the same. 30 men said yes to her, 0 woman said yes to him. That's my gender essentialism. I do not belive this was ever different in any culture, including ancient greece, even if men were gayer back then, women were still not like men. They do not and will not ever find men as visually viscerally appealing as men do women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:38 PM

Not necessarily purely biological, can be spiritual too, eg seeing the feminine and masculine represented in yin and yang. It has nothing to do with lack of autonomy, the same way how having concepts about introverts and extroverts does not mean lack of autonomy. Me getting a fraction of matches on dating apps than women, being born as the gender that almost exclusively pays for sex work, and being born into the pursuer role is a preselected role, and progressives despise nothing more than men b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:24 PM

Genders baing meaningful IS gender essentialism imo. Genders are meaningful and there are no shared understandings around them = genders are not meaningful. Meaning can be communicated and expressed and people can connect along them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:12 PM

Says the person who literally went through a gendered transformation which was meaningful to her. You're not fooling me. This stuff is a big deal and it should mean things to people other than agender asexuals. Otherwise there is some suppression going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:05 PM

It's possible that some people could benefit from a rigid society that forces them to conform to pre-made boxes. Let me guess, men having to pursue, or to give something more concrete being the gender with a tiny fraction of matches on apps that women get does not fall into this, does not matter, and you get triggered by men who draw attention to this. And it doesn't matter if around 20% of people meet on apps (some current estimates) and it wouldn't if it was 50%. I don't see women being the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:53 PM
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No. The animal comparisons are a different matter than calling people inferior. I only ever did one and I already explained my stance on that one. And no, the backhanded insult here was meant to be for those who act all superior towards cultures that don't fully have these western values, by implying that they are prejudiced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:29 PM

It's cultural though. Going back to your original comment, that's where I disagree, it's partly cultural. Alienation seems to go hand in hand with development, and so do more egalitarian views, as of now those are trends. But if you're convinced that one is not hard-wired to our freedom, maybe the other isn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:19 PM

BUT imo that's a westernized and probably biased outlook, and it's kinda rude too. That's the end of the sentence. I meant it like "you can think they are just below us, but I disagree".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:07 PM

Yea I don't wanna overromanticize these places or downplay their issues, or just old fashioned sexism. And I don't know too much about for example Philippines. Though, even in urban dating culture you’ll find remnants of “it’s a man’s role in dating to xyz” and women believing that they are supposed to have kids The sense I get is that it's kind of like how older western women think, which I do think is dissipating in like younger "college culture". My grandma was a journalist and a very indepen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:02 PM

Also I literally did NOT call them primitive, re-read that part, I was arguing against seeing them like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:50 PM

I think these are stupid and sad connotations, also the "animals don't have sentience" is a weird statement, we don't know what they exactly experience. Anyway, imo it's humbling and cute to think of ourselves as animals, and it's literally not even wrong. I won't let myself be silenced, I'll just clarify if people accuse me of this and that. And the wider point with the comparison is that in the animal world and in the mammal world, usually males have to compete and impress females and I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:46 PM

Then what, are you glorifying alienation? I don't see it as a purely black and white thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:40 PM

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:31 PM
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They can be entitled, or not, it's a whole mix of people with different personality types and so on. It's just that they have a different default which all that's built on, and imo on some ways that is kind of more honest. Western women feel uncomfortable about ideas like them being the more beautiful gender... while they have several hundred times the matches on dating apps and everything that emblematically represents, and will never initiate much, AND they hate me feeling the imbalance of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:29 PM

Bullshit. You are being animal-phobic and human-superiorist. You're a mammal too, whether you like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:19 PM

It’s not under discussed at all It's something the normie PC world and western women have a hard time understanding, while manospherians have a tendency of talking about it in actual misogynistic ways, so imo there is something here that kind of is lost in the clusterfuck of this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:14 PM

Yea, and they would be more alienated, loney, and awkward, and their families would stick together less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:10 PM

I compare eveyone to animals and I identify as a mammal first and human second.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:09 PM
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Yes, there is biology needed for gender essentialism... what you mean "no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:02 PM

Ok but that's something specific. It also sounds believable to me. But that doesn't negate these other aspects. I would just say that "women are not meant to do logic-based stuff" is a false (or waaay overly simple) gender-essentialistic thought. It's also just... not really interesting, like who cares, let people do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:36 PM
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I sometimes visit dad's family, that's 7 people + 3 dogs, and I love my little half sister. I have a "honorary uncle", old jewish guy who I knew since childhood and sometimes still hang out with. I have my online friend/lover I'm in touch with close to daily. I live with my mom, my older brother sometimes comes and sleeps here when he has business in the capital city, we sometimes drink beer and play video games. Plus I have one old friend from school but he wants space right now since his mom d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:45 AM
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Intersectional Feminism is basically just "nah we still believe in male privilege and female oppression in the western world even if there is a homeless black guy out there". It's basically a reply to "I don't see it that way, the world is much more complex and nuanced now" that just says "YOU don't understand, we are very nuanced!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:44 AM
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I don't think YOU are nornal, because: Normal people are normaling down the normal street with a normal smile on a normal day, they have a nornal life and a normal child and a normal boss and a normal debt, their normal fights and their normal pride is a normal product of a normal life, thay's why they normal down on a normal street with a normal smile on a normal day
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:02 AM

Yes, the country that massacred tens of thousands of their own people in response to massive unprecedented protests like less than a year ago is the icon of pride and honour...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:08 PM

Why torture cute animal :/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:16 PM
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https://youtu.be/aLMoQmCdeVc?is=4jF5_tWSs6mt4wQb Very cool random youtube pull
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:37 PM
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Yea. I do not think that people who like to go to swinger clubs for example have that different of a mentality from someone who likes looking hot on a camera. There is a line of inhibition that some people have a really hard time comprehending that others are on the other side of, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:26 PM
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Eh, if we consider "women don't really enjoy sex and can't orgasm, they are just doing it to extract resources" to be misogyny, then "porn is made for men because men are socialized to think they are entitled to female bodies, but they only really do that stuff to impress other men" is 100% misandry. A bad faith, stubborn, incorrect diagnosis and pathologization of an entire gender can be considered sexism imo. And it is true that porn by and large caters primarily to men, so I think that it's f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:19 PM
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Part of the issue is that most progressive/lefty women effectively says "I'm just a human being, treat me as such" and that's about it. It's like women have an interest in not noticing dating dynamics and not having to think of them for their comfort, like that's their goal. "Stupid men, just stooooop I'm a person." Meanwhile men are there with 1/300 of women's matches on apps, and all of what that emblematically represents. But if you mean men underestimate harassment and all the risks women ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:28 PM
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It happens. There is a distinct type of extroverted, confident initiator guy who has by far the most casual sex out of the male populatuion, but then not only that kind of men are in committed relationships. Add 2 and 2 together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:11 PM
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Mass-appeal music is just not very creative and often corny, because many people don't have a good sense of music. Was probably always kinda true. Although I would be very interested in whether less people can functionally sing these days, or how that differs between cultures, but there is next to nothing I could find about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:41 PM
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Ice cream :p
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:32 PM
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There is the type of person who does not seem to even understand the concept of thruth, or just has 0 care for it. The type here who NEVER adresses your arguments and ALWAYS fishes for "what does this person get out of this". Like, the last thing that would occur to them is that some people like to argue and debate in order to refine their wolrdview and get closer to the truth of thigns. It's almost like explaining colors to someone colorblind, they just don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:51 AM
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Drugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:20 AM

I really liked it too. Captain Clark is so creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:07 PM
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Oh please. Women literally collectively and unanimously agree that them getting significantly more dating opportunities is a net negative because men suck so much. Sure, don't randomly complain irl, but these topics should have spaces for them to be explored.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:58 PM
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... such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:52 PM
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Yea, my issue is that at this point you are essentially saying that "bad things = patriarchy." Are people being unhealthy due to patriarchy? Is suffering patriarchal? Is the very concept of power patriarchal? How about the concept of anger? What constitutes emasculation varies over time, cultures and religions, as well as between individuals. And it is largely dictated by women and their sexual fixation on confidence, competence and endless thriving, as opposed to lameness and stagnation. Female…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:25 AM
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No. I think human sexuality is emblematically highlighted in women getting several hundred times the matches on dating apps as men, which is an exaggerated avenue but it absolutely tells something about us, such as that men are the less desirable gender that needs to compensate, which comes with a bunch of uniquely gendered pressure, which plays into a ton of things feminists would wrongly describe as "patriarchy taught men because it's toxic". Feminism doesn't give a shit about men having to na…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:55 AM
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I also didn't go to college and almost certainly make less than you, and most of the people around me are from the same cast system as me, men and women, except it includes a couple of women who could take years off of working due to being provided for or living rent-free at their partners' place. Wouldn't make a difference in your white male privilege patriarchy cluster of a worldview. The same way, your anecdotal stuff doesn't make a difference for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:14 PM
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No, I say it's not the patriarchy but human sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:00 PM
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you also argue like you don’t know what patriarchy is, while confidently asserting that you know exactly what it is. What? Are you saying that the quoted parts in my post would not be explaiend with "yes due to patriarchy" by your average feminist-leftist? "Men need to be strong and in control" is NOT due to patriarchy? "Women are oversexualized" is NOT due to patriarhcy? I can understand disagreeing with evo psych stuff, but I really don't get what makes you think that I don't get what patriarc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:17 PM
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People who are high achievers tend to have an inability to chill, people who constantly seek new experiecnes tend to have a fear of missing out and lack of purpose, people who people-please tend to have a fear of not being loveable, people who dedicate a ton of time to master skills tend to compensate for feeling inadequate, so on and so on. No, a bit of shyness is not necessarily the end of the world. Your kind would twist men's liking of lesbianism and lack of being wierded out by it to be sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:05 PM
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Men aren't more controlling, widely speaking. On the absolute top of the hierarchy, yes, the most psychotic power hungry beasts tend to be men. But the patriarchy theory here refers to a much wider and much more mundane collections of things, many of which I referred to in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:40 PM
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I don't think men are better leaders, I think men are pushed to be better leaders. By patriarchy, you might say. By human sexuality, I might retort. Women love competence and confidence and need men who know how to initiate, while men are very content with a cute nice woman - that's a very real, and perhaps the only "real", biological mismatch resulting in general cultural expectations like how urinating results in the culture of toilets. Or how men are repressing more emotionally, I made a whol…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:33 PM
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Okay so you want porn that focuses on male bodies, has plots like popular smut, and nobody is materialistically supported for putting time and energy into the production of these performances cause that's exploitative. So if there is no money anymore cause that's a bullshit man-focused thing then what, a bag of lentil would be exploitative too? Like why would anyone just... do these? Especially when women despise "degenerate creeps" leering on them and all that weird stuff. Yea, I don't get it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:07 PM
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Sure, women being impressosexual and valuing competence, experience and confidence, stuff that correlates with age, definitely have nothing to do with it... Yea, I highly doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:47 PM
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Nope, it's "I've yet to see a branch of feminism that rejects the patriarchy theory." I don't want any rigths to be taken away from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:38 PM
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I think if there really is good money in let's say straight female pov porn where mostly just the man moans and the camera lingers on his body constantly, then it aligns well with capitalism. I'm sceptical it's this easy, maybe it is only this easy in the heads of a minority of women. Who knows. And we are back to Or a lot of women are functionally close to demisexual and require context, they may be satisfied with romcoms and their smut already. Yes, you want sunshine and reainbows, and so do I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:35 PM
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You can barely even see any non-sexual indie storytelling that is made completely for free, and even less that's genunely made without a hint of a hope for "making it" in some ways. A porn with a good plot would still be acting. Men who are into women tend to want to focus on the woman's body cause that's what turns them on. Sure, women's porn could focus on the men. I just don't see what you propose other than "I want humanity to be really cool and peaceful and happy and then women would watch …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:21 PM
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I would be all for that, and honestly I think this is a bit underexplored and would be cool. I'm just not convinced women are dormantly longing for that oh so much. sex scenes with people who god forbid actually want to fuck and aren't faking their attachment....but this doesn't happen... It does. And you, and basically every woman including those who watch porn themselves think I'm a fucking fool for saying that. And to me that just translates to "I don't belive you actually want what you say y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:11 PM
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I said women date odler men, that's all. A 2.5 years average differecne is not negligable and it does say something about us. And imo it's the exact type fo stuff women tend to dislike men complaining about. But who cares? You say it's negligable and "basically nothing". I say it's emblematic. A lot of thigns have changed or softened since women got liberated, but it could easily be the case that in western developed nations we have hit some brickwalls already with the mainstream progressive ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:06 PM
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About the second part: cool, figure it out. I'm not at all against it. Hopefully capitalism is strong enough of a force that sooner or later this massive dormant unexplored market will come to the surface against all odds and then women will have their stuff. I'm sceptical until I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:55 PM
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Men are 2-3 years older in relationships on average in western countries. Which let's be real, not a single one of you considers to be an issue because attraction is non-negotiable. So what are you even on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:48 PM
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It already did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:40 PM
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They aren't moralizing men's lack of success by itself. They moralize their pain, and the significance these men give to their situation. And that is just to stubbornly maintain their patriarchy theory and notion of male privilege. It's an ideological disagreement with the very experience of these men, and it borders on misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:15 PM
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I draw a tarot card every once in a while if I have a question. Oh and at my birthday for the upcoming year. But I just draw 1, read some descriptions and take in the vibe. Do you remember what was the first card you ever drew? Mine was the hanged man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:42 PM

The issue with dating is that the good ones have already offed themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:42 PM

Excuses excuses. I'm not obligated to tolerate bigotry, even if I understand people's backsory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:17 AM

Yes it is. Not all marriages are about pure love. Sometimes we have a duty to fulfil. You should know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:52 AM
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I call for you to make peace with sluts. Marry one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:32 AM

Women can complain that men aren't good enough or are bad to be in relationships with Yea and this is generally accepted by leftist PC culture while men complaining about dating women isn't. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:21 AM
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I like womoids and femen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:17 PM
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The Backrooms movie was pretty awesome imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:13 PM
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Instead of being afraid, why don't you just take the opportunity to get to know someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:55 AM
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Yes but that is cultural. That's what everyone expects of these relationships, it's the script WE want. This whole "theu are at different stages of life, have nothing in common" is kinda bogus. Because it doesn't come ip when it comes to platonic age gap relationships. An uncle loving her nephew is literally the least uncontroversial thing ever, and even same-sex parent teacher dynamics can be seen as nice - my mom for example is still in touch with one of her teachers. I myself really like my y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:29 AM
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For a lot of people, it's classism imo. I am not college educated. I did not learn a trade. I am 30, and I had jobs like bicycle delivery guy, warehouse worker, low tier hospital worker, kitchen porter, and I'm currently at a hotel handling textil and laundry. The people who don't get why someone would "sacrifice their career and independence" don't understand people who don't like the grind either. I don't think these folks would get me. And they would not get the guy who goes off grid and move…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:48 PM
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Fun fact: in my home country we adapted the word "hello" but we also use it to say goodbye. I did not know for a while that native English speakers don't, until our first visit to England when I was a teen and said goodbye to someone like that, and my dad was laughing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:27 PM

I feel the exact same way about women and their advice of "just don't date women like that". Yea, there is a reason I pretty much never even tried to actively date women at all. But let's be real, we're both gonna think the other is exaggerating and catastrophizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:38 AM
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Yea, well, not thinking ethical female-produced porn is inherently bad while thinking that's astronomically rare as is is probably a fairly large chunk of the more "nuanced" view. I would say that doesn't fully refute my proposition - it still comes with a default dislike for the random porn-consuming dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:15 PM

That's cool. It's illegal in my homecountry, but my younger brothers were born at home, not without assistance though. The midwife was eventually arrested and was in prison for like 10 years I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:29 PM
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Yea, as I said in a recent post, this all feels like it's very "classic studio-porn" focused, while in reality, there are much more independent creators now, but then again, I am picky and rarely watch the most mainstream frontpage stuff. But a porn watcher guy making "excuses" for himself is like the lamest thing, so... Oh well. Still, there is plenty of porn that barely has cuts, if any. Or solo content of a woman with a vibrator - you know, that method that is famously more consistent at givi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:49 PM

If I were a woman, I think I would feel similarly, maybe. But it can't really be arranged, can it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:29 PM
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I know it "isn't real" and I get that. But no, there are not necessarily multiple cuts or even any cuts. Then again, I have specific tastes and I am picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:27 PM
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What you mean by that? That they don't have fun, ever? Cause for a lot of people, that's basically what acting/faking means.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:10 PM

I got in the elevator at work, there was a woman and a man in it, they also work at the same place but I only know them by passing. The guy was complaining about ads or some random shit. The elevator stops, I get out, earlier than them. Then the guy says something like "and you, don't stare at her ass!" I was kinda flabbergasted, wasn't even sure if he said that to me but to who else? I didn't say anything just left, and they were gone. I did not stare. I may have glanced at her for like 1 secon…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:44 AM
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So then do you disagree with worries about coercion, women in porn "faking it", being opressed drug addicts, it being unrealistic, objectifying women, etc? Or is it similar to how a lot of people can find factory farming sad but still eat factory meat?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:49 AM
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That's reassuring.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:35 AM
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What percentage of women DO consider it a problem, if you had to guess? It's very hard to tell imo but it feels like a lot to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:27 AM

Imagine a pregnant woman escaping from her hospital room and hiding in a broom closet to get it done.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:32 AM

Aren't there women who would rather be all alone while giving birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:14 AM

One sentence: women get more matches and don't have to be so confident to date. Your go. Let me guess, "oh well, I had a great life and I like dating men, so yea, that's nice". Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:33 PM

I can relate to that but from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:20 PM

"Normal regular people are well adjusted" = every single woman is a tormented traumatized sexual assault survivor and a jaded disillusioned veteran at dealing with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:06 PM

What happened to "it's cultural, men in ancient Greece were bisexual" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:03 PM
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I just made a post about this. Let's say you meet a woman who you see as hot at a first glance. What do you do? How do you not let your perception influence how you interact with her? You can ignore her, that's fairly straightforward. But let's say you're on friendly terms with her. Can you genuinely shut off "would be cool if something happened" from your mind? Cause I highly doubt it. That's not how feeling things work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:45 AM

I was making this post in relation to women who act like they are above the pursuer-pursued dynamic, and in relation to women thinking them being more desirable has very little upsides. I know that men have a ton of extra, early incentive to at least subtly try to move things in a certain way. It's only as much of an extrapolation as knowing that the vast majority of men watches porn, especially when they are single. Statistically, women aren't gonna "dodge" men being like this just cause they f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:45 AM

I guess not, but i don't really see where you're going with these questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:40 AM

I dunno. The same way man can tell if women are into them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:24 AM

There are gay men, asexual men, demisexual men, and men who are none of those things but don't find you personally attractive. But define "trying". Let's say you are very attracted to a guy to the degree he pops up in your mind, maybe you even fantasize about him, you have an urge to touch him, etc. And THEN you are friendly with him. How would you define that? It's not necessarily "trying", I guess, but you get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:16 AM
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I recommend "Feels Like Home", just watched it, very rare good modern Hungarian movie. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt35303515/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:13 PM
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In her original comment, she said that the definition of objectification does not require someone to have an extreme condition like that and that it's a spectrum. I pushed her on that, and then in that next comment she said something that DID sound like narcissims to me after all. That was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:12 PM

Calling who? I said that her examples sound like narcissims, eg "ignoring the humanity (and don't care) behind the person in order to get a desire/goal met". I was not diagnosing something broad like men liking women's bodies and content that showcases those.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:08 PM
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Okay, let's say you want to make sure someone is okay with being objectified and you would stop it they don't want it. Is that still "objectification" then, or just sort of like a roleplay, with a wider common ground that exists outside the means of the interaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:57 PM

Okay, let's say you want to make sure someone is okay with being objectified andn you would stop it they don't want it. Is that still "objectification" then, or just sort of like a roleplay, with a wider common ground taht exists outside the means of the interaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:57 PM
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Neither of which treats women as a commodity or a tool any more than how an athlete is treated who people watch on TV for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:50 PM

I did not diagnose specific people. I was talking in generalities. You can talk about what autism is without diagnosing individuals as autists or saying certain behaviour is always a sign of autims.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:48 PM

Yes, my point was that these are rare conditions, and I listed some as examples, I did not mean that it's only those three things, I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:46 PM
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I would be. I genuinely would like to hang out and have a conversation with a sex worker, in part becasue I find the profession itneresting. Them not being open is their deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:44 PM

Being into women isn’t objectification and I don’t think people really argue that it is? Playboy magazine, objectified women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:43 PM
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no personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:40 PM

It does, but it's not an easily defined term, and it's used prematurely most of the time, like when you said sex-work is objectifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:36 PM

I think a slave owner who genuinely sees no issue with that is by definition not seeing the other as a human. So yea. Like, THAT is not treating someone as a human. Not letting them have free will, literally. That's not reomtely comparable to a guy being an ass-enthusiast. But there could be a conflicted slave-owner too, idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:33 PM

What do you mean "do not care"? Let's say I cared. Then what? Nothing. Neither of us can prove it either way becasue in these avenues not acting in-line is considered cringe and creepy, at least on the client's side.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:30 PM

If they did not see those people as human, they were fucked in the head one way or another, and that doesn't even remotely comapre to your average porn-watcher western dude today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:22 PM

You can't go around confidently throwing medical diagnoses at people. Many folks say that for example sex-work is objectifying. I don't ignore the humanity of sex-workers, but it's considered inapproriate to try to get personal with them. So it's nonsense in that context.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:21 PM

Sounds like narcissism to me. Literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:16 PM
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Cool, then the word essentially doesn't mean shit or at the very least it having negative connotations is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:15 PM
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Cool, then the word essentially doesn't mean shit or at the very least it having negative connotations is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:15 PM

If objetification is so vaguely defined, it can be anything, and it loses its meaning. Like, if two people hooking up and having casual sex is fine, then what are we talking about? It's sex. They want it. They treat each otehr priamrily as a source of sexual gratification. You can't be consistent with this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:13 PM

I'll bite. Prove to me that you value me as a human. Otherwise, interacting with you would be dehumanizing. Chances are, you don't like me, you solely want to interact with me in this specific context.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:59 PM

No, it's just a very clear and direct example I can think of. If masculinity and femininity are different things, then yea, femininity is the softer/pleasant/soothing one and so it kind of by definition only be respected/valued or be powerful in some sense if it's just... seen that way. Because it's not about brute force materialistic results, building shit or breaking shit with hammers and tools or competing in stuff imitating battles. Femininity is prettyness, cuteness, flowers and pleasantrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:58 PM

Have you seen how a stereotypical dominatrix walks, moves, carries herself? It's typically giga feminine. You're the one disagreeing with feminity being seen as powerful being a real thing. I would consider THAT rigid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:58 PM

Okay, then qualifications only? And see how they do during trial days. And again, we could say that femininity IS already rewarded with this extra additional opportunity, which is widely speaking much more available to them than to men. This includes non-parents being provided for. It's entierly subjective to say it's not worth it because it cannot really be compared to 1:1 having to work 9 to 5. I personally don't care about the downsides. I'm a 30 years old man with no college education and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:54 PM

I reject this framing about stay at home partners entirely. It has enourmous potential upsides just as much as potential downsides, and I think it's not a coincidence women just so happen to unanomously agree that it's all opressive downsides when of course it's their gender that can do this much more realistically. If you chose to be essentially the support of an individual, that person is basically your "employer", it's between you and them. Like, who else should pay you? The government? Then …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:21 PM

No, in general. I would never hurt a fly or leverage my strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:15 PM

Actually everybody has a bias for cute feminine/attractive women in certain areas of life, including other women. But it's complex and has its upsides and downsides, so does masculinity. The kink interpretation is literally "I see femininity as powerful and want to submit to it", so yes, women reject men seeing femininity as powerful. A lot of women are repulsed by weakness in men and are drawn to awesomenss, which is why their preferences range from neautral equality to hardcore submission on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:08 PM

Then I hold 0 power over women too despite being 180 cm tall and decently in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:59 PM

Actual power is not power that is affected by someone else's whims. Yes it is, actually. Every type of power except physical depends on others buying it, and even then, a musclehead can be poisoned like anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:55 PM
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It CAN be power and imo it very often is, even if your definition is that it has to be conscious or deliberate or whatever, becasue women lean into this aspect of themselves far more than never, even if in sutble or subconscious ways. It is power to be able to shape and manipulate the world around you in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:41 PM
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It CAN be power and imo it very often is, even if your definition is taht it has to be conscious or deliberate, becasue women lean into this aspect of themselves far more than never, even if in sutble or subconscious ways. It is power to be able to shape and manipulate the world around you in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:41 PM
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It's an extremely direct example becasue nothing else rang any bells. It's about beign captivated by a type of charm, vaguely called this nebulous collection of traits "femininity" and ok, just female anatomy too probably but it's definitely enchanted by attitudes and body language and the way a woman carries herself, and that having an affect in you, while you are also not a psychopath and try to be a respectful person. This could be something as little as a slight favoritism towards my cute fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:36 PM
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Well, you didn't have to brainwash anyone to get approximately 500 times more matches on apps than what I deserve, according to how the world itself works by default. But yes, if you could brainwash someone, you would be in a position of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:24 PM

I'm referencing men paying money to women, with perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. And I'm referencing the potential predatory aspect of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:21 PM

You’re bouncing between Because the topic of masculinity and femininity are hard to define and broad. Social and institutional power gets really fucking hierarchical and cutthroat the higher you go. I'm all for not doing that, but I think calling only that power is also incorrect. Power exists in micro dynamics in every day life for all of us. I'm using kink dynamics as proof of women not believing in how men see them as powerful, even though many men do. The most literal, obvious, in-your face …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:19 PM

Oh then dom men should start to manipulate their female subs into giving them half their paychecks too... This is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:08 PM

Do you PREFER to think men are stronger or superior? The point of my post is to discuss what I see as a contradiction. If YOU don't belive in women's or femininity's power, then don't complain about patriarchy not valuing it or seeing it as lesser. I'm not that interested in elaborating more, but... ok, it can and does manifest in all kinds of ways from subtle to extreme and generally looks like people doing things for feminine women (paying them money, helping them out, showing them interest re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:05 PM

Then transition, at least socially. If you insist that masculinity is all around better. But don't gaslight me into thinking the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:55 PM

Some men place value on women’s looks. And mannerisms, and style, and clothing, and way of speaking... The whole package. Hate it if you want, once again I can only recommend lesbianism, and to stay safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:54 PM

Soft, charming power. Just to be clear (and I also asked you for your opinion), do you consider femininity to be inferior to masculinity, or do you perhaps define femininity a different way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:50 PM

... sub men are more likey to pay because dom women are rare and so there is a higher chance for sub men of not being able to live out their fantasies unless they pay for it. You translate that as "they have the power". You can't be serious. And then "And subs can say what they want, they're under a dom's power no matter what they may preach." But not sub men, apparently. This is actually genuinely creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:48 PM

Those traits specifically, on their own, maybe aren't. Femininity as a whole, as a vague collection of traits like that and physical attributes, style, absolutely can be, by influencing others and making them subservient to various degrees. Again, we have literal extreme examples of women actively leaning into this to degrees that don't make much sense the other way at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:22 PM

There are lots of men online who say women have more power in dating. They believe it. Or there are plenty of men who are the less bossy ones in relationships, I knew a lot of relationships like that, including my grand parents on both sides. My mom was provided for for a good 15 years without having to even do much housework, and she basically never cooked, undoubtedly because my dad just... valued her. And women can literally turn their allure into money, and money is power manifest. But even …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:42 PM

It's kind of like how in kink I see people point out that men's fantasies of a woman dominating him are all about his pleasure or him being used as a sexual object more so than women's pleasure. And female submissives most definitely aren't into kink cause they find it pleasurable, do they? This is frankly so backwards imo. People literally preach about how "the submissive is the one who truly holds the leash" when it comes to sub women, like that's a good, wholesome thing that makes the dynamic…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:30 PM

I recommend lesbianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:55 PM

Ok then define femininity. I was throwing google definitions out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:52 PM

Ok. And you don't belive it's valued by men. I hope no man ever found you attractive, you poor thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:50 PM

Ok have fun not gendering femininity... But then don't whine about a nonexistent thing not being valued. I personally value it a lot, but you have 0 interest in believing or resonating with that, as we concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:38 PM

Okay, so how could femininity be valued by men and society more?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:32 PM
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Traits traditionally associated with femininity: nurturing, gentle, emotionally expressive, sensitive. I have also seen it described as a style. Types of movements, clothing, even ways of talking can be described as feminine. Okay, so how could any of this be seen as powerful? Femininity, specifically? How could this be valued, especially by men, and seen as just as important or valid as being a go-getter strong "make shit done" kinda masculine person? Cause as I said, men "bowing down" metaphor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:20 PM

Recently I visited an online friend of like 5 years on the other side of the world. I told her I'm into her, and we basically agreed that we will try to do stuff. And when it came to it, I sort of just... froze. I am fairly inexperienced and I had a childhood sexual experience at like 6 which definitely affected me, so... I think that reaction made sense. She was nervous too but she started things, initiated physical contact. And then I gradually became more active too. Very grateful for her. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:23 AM
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"I see we have feminism in common" is funny
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:25 PM
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I... like youtube.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:24 PM
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I have a profile. That means I do, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:18 PM
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I literally made an Instagram profile just so I can watch random shit mostly from here and now the link doesn't even work, just sends me to the "for you" page, and I'm an angry agressive grandpa.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:12 PM

Are you celibate?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:18 PM

But that's literally not it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:26 PM

Why is it bullshit? If I were to ever try to like use apps, that's how I would feel. I genuinely think this is a common mindset of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:33 PM
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Goddamit, I'm convinced by this one. My quest is lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:39 AM
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Ok but now you're back to talking about incompatibilities between individuals, I assume. Women saying them getting significantly more dating opportunities and sexual attention is something they overall hate is about wider societal patterns. Or having issues with certain general expectations pushed on them (eg. doing more housework). I still don't know what you mean by "not at all", it seems like you just missed my clarification about me not talking about men meeting a rare individual "bad" woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:30 AM
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Not at all? It still seems to me like your association is that it's unhealthy, therefore wrong, or like a net-negative "energy" to be put out there. Would you feel the same way about women talking about what they dislike about dating men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:49 AM
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Nope, women do this too, even more unanimously. Any grievance men have with dating women is routinely met with "women like that are an extreme minority, and besides why do you even want to date women like that. Just don't date women like that, duh." The irony of this post is that it could literally be addressed to women and bluepillers too. Like, you guys are the ones who say that women as a group are quite literally 100% exempt from criticism. While men obviously aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:49 AM
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My impression is that Freud gave a ton of meaning and emphasis to sexuality and relating taboos and supressions. So I don't think it's "libido meant some extra additional thigns to him" but more so "he saw sexual drive as very central and encompassing and subtly ever-present." But I could be wrong, I never actually read anything from him, I know people who did and told me about it though. So yea, it's just that thoughts like "everything is about sex" and "sex is the antithesis of death" are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:55 PM
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Or in a good committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:45 PM
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"Mem" :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:43 PM
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Many man are capable of empathy, and while intense sexual attraction and infatuation can be tricky and can cloud our judgement, that's not gonna fully cancel empathy out. Even if men are more "idealistic", or have a stronger sense of easily triggered in-built desire. At the end of the day, the only people who truly see women as objects are sociopaths or like hardcore narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:09 PM
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Just because we should, doesn't mean that we can. Keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:14 AM

Maybe this would worth it's own post, but this "misandry is not really a thing, meanwhile misogyny brutally murders women" is such cope when in practice the term misogyny is used for a huge variety of things including tons of non-murder. I'm reading a post on a writing subreddit made by a woman who says she is a tomboy and has a hard time writing women who aren't tomboys basically, and she admits she often finds more feminine women annoying. Verdict: internalized misogyny. Nuff said. A feminine …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:26 PM
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What's the point of going my own way if I cannot even be a gooner who identifies as the less desirable sex captivated by the more desirable one? I'll leave the awkward nonchalance to the sex-havers and the serial monogamists of ppd. You all have fun with your accidental genitalia contact in your neutrality, weirdoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:04 PM
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By disdain for male sexuality, what I mean is a disdain for things being made to cater to men, which is the majority of porn and sex-work indeed, because men are by and large the sex that has an interest in such things, because they are the far more easily excitable sex. If you think that's patriarchal, then please remember to wake me up from my time chamber in 500 years, and then we will see. But yea, I have no doubt that masses of women have a very difficult time stomaching anything that remin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:16 PM
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And I dislike the analogy of dating men being a survival game or sex with men being a big risk. I'm not a risk, I'm a person. But I don't write the script, do I? The fact is that men as the significantly more eager gender with proactive desire tend to have a default goal of sex for its own sake much more so than women, so yea. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:06 PM
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False connection imo. If you are rewarded for your hard work with a raise, does that mean you are supposed to turn into a shitty employee?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:01 PM

<image> Hear me out...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:42 PM
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There are female sex-workers who enjoy their job for sure. I don't know if they would call it "pleasure center to the max". I'm sure they are a minority amongst women. But women doing sexual content are already a minority amongst women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:30 AM
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But there are women who are like "I would have sex five times a day if my BF could keep up lel". And there are women who like to wear sexy clothes because they enjoy feeling hot even if they don't create porn. There are qualities, even if only a minority of women have them, that could easily make someone be as happy with this job as anyone can be with any job. I'm sure every creator experiences some degree of pressure... no, everyone who exists in a world where money does.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:03 AM
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What is good proof to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:33 AM
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Fake ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:34 AM
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Okay, so then why do you watch porn, if you hate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:31 AM
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Yea, its that. It's like learning about the working conditions of a notorious fast food restaurant chain or two and then drawing conclusions from that concerning all restaurants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:27 AM
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Yea, its that. It's like learning about the working conditions of a notorious fast food restaurant chain or two and then drawing conclusions from that concerning all restaurants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:27 AM
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I'm sure that happens but for sexual people who enjoy being seen as hot and who masturbate/have sex regularly, and who can truly be independent so don't directly have like a boss dictating what they have to endure, I think that is more akin to a guy making a living off of streaming video games. Burnout can still happen over time but like it's not gonna be as simple as "it's all 100% fake all the way".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:09 AM
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How could I prove it? Creators speaking positively about it are often thought to be lying, like it's still a performance. Besides, the conditions changed drastically, not slightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:03 AM
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Were they saying there’s no real pleasure once the camera is on Yes. A lot of people are saying that like it's a law of physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:54 AM
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Not with 100% certainty, ok. But I'm not making an affirmative claim about virtually all porn, even in my previous comment. I'm addressing people who do. I think somewhat being able to make a guess based on body language is a part of that nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:46 AM
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Well, then you do have an issue with ethically produced porn, don't you? Idk, do you think a random abused young woman is likely to be a good actor? I think if it's like really rough hardcore stuff then it's hard to tell, or if the performer is more on the emotionless side. But there are plenty of types of videos where I think it's honestly not that difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:24 AM
0

"all sex-workers are a monolith". There are also podcasts, redittors, blogs with sex-workers who claim to like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:03 AM
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What's the point to anything in life? It's something that personally motivates me, I want to be understood, by women, as a man with a male sexuality. I think the best way to communicate feelings is through art though. I'll tell you what, plenty of times throughout my life I have connected with typical female issues and painful experiences being expressed in various ways. Do you get puzzled by that too? I sort of see this place as a training ground, or just a clusterfuck of a place where I can th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:47 PM

Why did they say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:20 PM
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I very much agree as an European. This is just an US-phobic twist to the "nobody cares about this stuff touch grass ungabunga" take, and I guess there's enough self-deprecating Americans these days that a bunch of them eat it. Like, they banned abortion in Poland not too long ago. Dating apps have the same ratios and the genders have the same experiences on them everywhere. Feminism exists in Europe, gender studies exist, lgbtq people exist, people who hate them exist, so on and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:19 PM
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I'm not looking at everyone who ever did porn as a monolith. But I think a decent amount do get some enjoyment, and for sure more now that there is far more indie stuff and "creative freedom" if you will. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:52 PM
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Yea and we arrived to the point where we need sexology experts and behavioural scientist to make a definite conclusion about a wide variety of porn and come up with a guide for "porn realness". Otherwise, we are just talking past each other about a concept that's always gonna be undefined and abstract in these conversations. But today, the majority of porn out there is indie. There is far more independent stuff than studio porn now. That definitely comes with more nuance. Like I don't even know …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:42 PM
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Yea and we reached the point of "let's get some behavioural psychologists and sexology experts to rate the 'realness' of a variety of porn and release a guide how to recognize it". Until then it's just you and I having different perceptions over something that's always going to be unspecified and abstract in these debates. And once again, I feel like your view lacks the nuance that has been introduced with the growth of indie content. Today, there is factually much more indie content out there t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:38 PM
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Yea and once again that's an oversimplification. It generally has some truth to it, ok. It's of course always gonna be somewhat performative. I don't think something like a blowjob is that difficult to record though, and as I said, the very fake-feeling soulless scummy studio porn doesn't have as big of a prevalence now as a few decades ago. It just doesn't. And the other thing is exhibitionism. I think anyone who enjoys doing this stuff has somewhat of an exhibitionist kink, basically by defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:27 PM
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Part of what sells is women enjoying themselves. That's kind of the core of good porn. And I believe in the existence of good porn. I think a lot of you underestimate that aspect (or straight refuse to believe it's even a thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:11 PM
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I think that's an oversimplification.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:06 PM
-8

So? Everyone is different = the vast majority of women falls between vanilla to very submissive. That's also roughly how porn looks like. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:42 AM

In my experience, if I said "I belive that women and men have noteworthy biological differences that shouldn't be ignored, including how they experience sexuality, and I also believe that masculinity and femininity are spiritual opposites", ime the vast majority of feminists would dislike me, regardless of me being pro-abortion, women's rights, anti-slut shaming, etc. I have been told here that my views don't make me anti-feminist, but that's simply not my experience. Like, I'm not gonna identif…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:09 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:23 AM
3

Sub-Zero or Scorpion?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:14 AM
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I do
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:12 AM
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I wonder how this plays into "porn is misogynistic because the women are treated forcefully in it". Which imo is far from always true, but even when it is, in the age of independent creators, that stuff looks a lot of the times like the woman is into it. Like, a substantial amounts of women have rape fantasies, and are submissive leaning far more often than not. Like, the very term "rough sex" means that the man is rough with the woman. Obviously, right? I think the vast majority of people have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:22 AM

About the "human beings are probably always gonna be largely monogamous" crowd, imo the biggest, most blatant counter-argument is that the majority of men have got off to hundreds if not thousands of women through pornography over their lives. And like, those men would have enjoyed physical contact with any of those women if they could magically teleport to them. It's a very clear indicator that an urge other than "I want one person I deeply trust and love" is there for a huge chunk of humans. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:18 PM
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Is there evidence that women are leaving the apps in droves? Last I heard, apps are some of the most common ways people meet today.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:04 PM

Why? I think "women cannot be generalized" fubdamentally comes from gender constructivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:55 AM

If I said "mainstream leftist discourse and the whole culture of patriarchy theory is unfair to men's issues, and that's important to highlight", not a single one of you would agree. Every single one of you would think I'm a pathetic incel. Every single one. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:19 AM

The majority opinion is that our biological realities playing into heterosexual dating dynamics is bogus, and that the pursuer-pursued dynamic is sexist bogus.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:10 AM

... yes because we live in a patriarchy, isn't it tragic? Could you suggest a non-conservative, non-redpill, non-religious, progressive, lgbtq-positive space where those patterns can be talked about without them boiling down to "yes we live in a sexist patriarchy, it's tragic"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:21 PM

A very prevalent example is denying biological realities playing into heterosexuality. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1t85m7e/comment/okx1bdo/?context=3 See for yourself. If you have any thoughts, questions, or suggestions for alternate places where I could talk about this topic with progressives, I appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:17 PM

I think literally every redpiller would agree that the bluepill is "leftist normie worldview" (I like to call it mainstream progressivism). Or what, you think what they meant by bluepill was fundamentalist christian dad with a housewife?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:10 PM

They don't. As I said, I disagree with them myself and yet I'm not redpilled. They don't agree with me, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:05 PM

Ok, here is the thing. I think that the redpill, as twisted as it often seems to me too, is a reaction, and bits and pieces in there always remind me of that. That's what it comes down to. It did come from opposing something. That's my degree of disagreeing with leftists stuff, I see a type of severity there, and a failure. I think the very fact that this is near impossible to adress has came by through making this something slippery, as the next counter measure. That's my endless frustration. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:58 PM

So are mine, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:52 PM

Okay, well I'm not a bluepiller. At the end of the day, people like that are one team under one banner and I dislike the vibes there. I guess the very act of identifying with it as a joke doesn't sit well with me because I do not see the redpill as being born out of thin air, I do see it as a (largely wrong) reaction to real wrong patterns. That's why I think bluepillers agree about something, which is the opposite of this. "The redpill is NOT a reaction to progressivism's failure - progressivis…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:49 PM

That still just sounds to me like "tribalism doesn't exist in leftist gender ideology".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:34 PM

The bluepill itself was coined by a redpill, and what they meant with it is "mainstream leftist narratives". I do not identify as redpill, but mainstream leftist narratives exist. Leftist tribalism exists. Patterns of thinkings exist there and are prevalent. It's roughly one half of the modern world, and it's dominating academia, for example. You disagreeing with all of this is part of it. Like, you are doing it right now. One thing for sure, I'm delusional, right? Obviously. That's bluepill. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:25 PM

Feminism has split into terfs (transphobes who are by all means conservatives) and non-terfs. That's the noteworthy one. Aside from that, only a few academics may disagree about some shit most people don't care for. Largely speaking, at least online (and that includes outside this subreddit), progressives and leftists defend each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:12 PM
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I've heard therapists say that the abusers of their clietns are roughly equally women and men. Do you belive this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:52 PM
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I unironically don't get what people's arguments are against this, aside from religious nutjobs who think God cares a lot about our sperm becasue he is a horny slut who gets off on human fertility. She is kinda right imo. I guess it would cost money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:00 PM

Let me get this straight. Your problem is that a few women in real life admit that your words are consistent, and you are wondering if these women are intelligent or just trying to reassure you even though they didn't hear you? And you find it serious but also soothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:33 PM

It's kind of fascinating how you seem fairly self aware but also like "welp I want this, can't help it". I wonder if something along the lines of consensual BDSM could be a better alternative for you to live out these impulses and to play with control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:46 PM

It's good and respectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:40 AM

The Neverending Story
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:29 AM

Very asymmetrical dating dynamics exist some men are unhappy with them women react with assuming these men want to take away their freedom of choice men then think about the dynamic and take it as granted women react with saying that's sexist and patriarchal and not how things are supposed to be and write paragraphs about prehistoric egalitarianism very asymmetrical dating dynamics exist...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:43 PM
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I am familiar with these lines of thoughts, I find them confusing and unsatisfying and I think they are incomplete. "Yes it's true that women have the burden of substantial reproductive costs... No it doesn't matter because nuance, or at least men shouldn't think about it mattering, that's weird." As I said to another commenter, hit me up with this "beyond biology" stuff when men and women get similar amounts of matches on dating apps, when men get approached at bars and clubs by women at simila…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:50 PM
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At the Mexican airport, going back to Europe. Visited my online female friend of 6-ish years. In the end it went as good as I hoped and now I can barely contain my tears.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:19 PM
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Nah, discussion posts ime are almost impossible to go through straight away, with debate posts it's kinda 50-50 and I often don't get why. "Question to" posts are the easiest to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:16 PM
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Cool, now hit me up when women and men get equal amounts of matches on dating apps, when men are approached by women at bars and clubs at similar rates as the opposite, and when paying clients of sex-workers are about 50-50 men and women. Good luck with the collapse!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:10 AM
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u/Corbast7, u/perttywords, u/pie-mart, u/Flightlessbirbz, u/appropriate_cow1378 and anyone else who is interested, I asked this question at a couple of places: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1t86czl/do_you_think_the_pursuerpursued_dynamic_is_meant/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskWomenNoCensor/comments/1t87b8e/whats_your_opinion_on_the_pursuerpursued_dynamic/ https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/1t6z5ze/comment/oku0lb5/?context=3 And in the asktransgender sub, where it was deleted …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:01 AM
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u/Corbast7, u/prettywords, u/pie-mart, u/Flightlessbirbz, u/appropriate_cow1378 and anyone else who is interested, I asked this question at a couple of places: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1t86czl/do_you_think_the_pursuerpursued_dynamic_is_meant/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskWomenNoCensor/comments/1t87b8e/whats_your_opinion_on_the_pursuerpursued_dynamic/ https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/1t6z5ze/comment/oku0lb5/?context=3 And in the asktransgender sub, where it was deleted …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:57 AM
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... ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:35 AM
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Yea, well. Maybe we understand each other a bit then, when it comes to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:26 PM
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I'm otherwise not sure why you think feminists and leftists don't already discuss this Because of this: While patriarchy does a lot to encourage those behaviors by the way it socializes men, I think a lot of other feminists miss the mark on their analysis to say it's only that. Like, have you ever seen "gender essentialism" being talked about like it's on the same level as racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:17 PM
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Post is waiting for moderator approval on askfeminists, was auto-deleted on radicalfeminism, it did go up on asktransgender but was then deleted manually, these are the two replies I got. https://no.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1t86p7x/whats_your_opinion_on_the_pursuerpursued_dynamic/ Will report back later if it goes up on askfeminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:56 PM
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I mean, video essays, podcasts, posts, comment sections exists that are visible to anyone. I guess I don't know where to look, if these discussions really exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:47 PM
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Probably? Hmm. Where do you recommend I ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:17 PM
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I think leftist thinkers are "off" because they somehow aren't willing to go through with these discussions. They get pieces of it, especially in regards to women. Like, do you genuinely think that in the majority of such places people would be comfortable saying "the pursuer-pursued dynamic makes sense, it's how it should be?" Or "women are meant to have power in dating"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:10 PM
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So you think most lefty people would straight say that the pursuer-pursued dynamic is meant to be and a logical thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:07 PM
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Is it gender essentialism?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:57 PM
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Women when men comain about women like this: whaaaaat this literally doesn't exist stop being terminally online. Women when women:
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:53 AM
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(Just wanna silently mention that a while ago in the daily thread I was ruminating over the increased amounts of totally random Spanish I've been seeing lately and people didn't believe/get me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:47 AM
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Yea, my unironical opinion is that this is a very "gamefied" view that lacks a lot of human element and nuance. But whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:16 AM
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I would only advise against it if it seemed like an obviously abusive relationship, same if she was in an iffy situation in any other sense. Honestly how you people make me feel is like... touch grass. I've known a lot of women who were provided for, including my mom for like 15 years, as well as a fuckton of working class people who don't like to work and actively struggle with trying to find something that doesn't make them feel miserable, throughout their lives. There is a whole world out the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:00 AM
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The fact that people (usually women, let's be real) being provided for by partners is entirely framed as nothing but a pure disadvantage by lefty types is a very high level of biased, out of touch black and white thinking. Imo it's on the same level as men who rave about casual sex being bad for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:29 AM

I find it similarly absurd that the other half of the planet cannot comprehend that one gender getting 500 times more matches on apps means something and it makes young guys feel certain ways. I think the amouht kf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:18 PM
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I am not a conservative, don't care about body count, think women should have freedom, including access to abortion. I don't like the general vibes of redpill. Pretty straightforward. I also refuse to belive that there aren't patterns of thinking that have huge reach on the progressive side, many of which I take issue with. It's a lie - no, cognitive dissonance fueling unconditional loser hating, everyone's favorite sport - that "it's just the redpill, which is this specific thing that CAN be de…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:07 PM

Oh so we have a real problem then. Not just "a tiny minority of whiny internet losers who are probably autistic". Feminism-influenced mainstream progressivism has enormous reach. You can't tell me that an ideology that dominates literal academia doesn't matter. Non-conservative people make up roughly half of the western world. And they have patterns of thinking. I'm sorry if this makes you feel bad, for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:59 PM

It's pathetic that you thinking that spending so much time arguing with and about "loser men" you are so fascinated with says nothing about you - no it's probably a good thing. But anyone putting mental effort into reacting to what women say, even in highly upvoted and circle-jerked posts/subreddits is quite literally never valid. I'm sorry you worry about what you consider a real subculture and areal problem? Cause the redpill is 10000x more powerful than academic feminism, I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:44 PM
1

Like the consistency of the lighthouse theme
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:04 AM
4

Anyone excited for The Backrooms movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:41 PM
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I meant forever alone guy level shy. Idk what incel even menas anymore, but fun fact, more than 50% of self-identifying incels consider themselves to be leftists. If you mean wife-beater rapist school shooter, no, she is not like that. She also didn't skin anyone alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:33 PM
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I only have half-sisters 10+ years younger than me, the older one is 16, as far as I know she doesn't date yet. I also have a step-sister though who is in her early 20's and is incel-level shy, she is in a relationship and lives with her BF rent free. Iirc she dropped out of college but is back to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:22 PM
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Where does this idea that female abusers or even women with gold digger tendencies are always super overt and objectively easier to see from the get-go than male abusers? I don't think there is any good evidence for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:22 AM

Oh WTF, is that so. You think this type of condescending bullshit comment to just shut down actual discussion is widely inappropriate, huh. How strange. I wonder why you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:13 AM

Every. Single. Time. I talk about male dating struggles, pain points, or why I think the truth or empathy matters, a solid 50% of women and a bunch of men react to it like this. I apologise. It was a trick. I agree that it's fucking disgusting. You probably think I deserve it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:01 AM

Oh the "truth" matters? You want your "voice" to be heard? Is this a codeword for pity sex? You want a "gentleman" to do something with your genitalia that may or may not include wetness?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:59 AM
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I guess I lean 80% culture. Government-funded scientifically optimized dating environments would be cool, and prostitution should be legalized. But culture is very important and I guess that comes first to influence the other. And that entails men expressing their difficulties better, new kinds of stories (I'm working on it), and challenging/shaping the currently biased and in some sense close-minded mainstream progressivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:37 PM
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I mean I can only speak for myself but yes and no. My peak wish is acceptance, but I wouldn't describe that as any random woman having an obligation to randomly indulge me or give me "easy access". Anyway, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:58 PM

So you look for men who are "not like that", whatever that means. I guess good for you that it feels like a realistic option.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:31 PM
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Because reckless excitement and novelty is not a thing... It is. For both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:06 PM
1

How about you? What does it mean for you that you "don't accept men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:17 PM
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I am not strictly Christian, just to clarify. But imo we didn't quite "blow our brains". I find it interesting how people suddenly paint the entire world like its such a pure horrible place when it comes to this topic. But can see life as beautiful otherwise. I saw a video of an old guy being interviewed on the streets, who just lost his wife like a year ago. He said "I'll look east, and see the sun come up." Also, god is maybe not just infinitely good. Even though christianity says this, god ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:11 PM
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In my opinion, it's because it was not a sin. The story of Adam and Eve is a far more morally grey story than how a lot of people understand it. Ultimately, limited security vs uncertain chaotic freedom is a spiritual conflict with no "right" or "wrong" answer. The bible is basically a story about God himself coming to terms with this. That's what his "forgiveness" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:04 PM
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I don't think it's just about free will, the tree of knowledge represents a world that contains "more". More than a limited, blissful safe-place. That includes dangers and hardships and death. Free will was the choice that led us here. It's like god letting go of our hands and giving us an existence "out there", in a world far more chaotic and dualistic than just the "eternal peace" he initially constructed for us. Your second point is just... We don't know. We don't know shit if there is no god…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:59 PM
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People who are on about "if god exists, why are there horrible things in this world". It's literally the story of Adam and Eve, it explains it. It was like that at first. Then we ultimately wanted "more". Freedom over security. Everything over a limited space.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:33 PM
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I think ot's cool and can be healthy. I also envy women because they gave significantly better chances of experiences what you have organically. Dominant women are rare, and from what I have seen often at odds with submissive male fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:19 PM
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(I disagree with this guy about cheating being justifiable). Well, how does this play into you actively dating men, then? Cause I feel similarly about women's weird hyper-selectivity and need of being impressed, and that makes me quite on-edge about the idea of dating women. I often feel like escorting is the only way for me. You on the other hand dated and slept with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:13 PM
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I hope not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:34 AM
1

What type?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:01 AM
1

Is watching porn objectification? Like if you exclusively seek out sexy content of a real person and get off to it, then close the video, is that "reducing them to a sex object?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:48 AM
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Can only make a question post directed at a specific group, and usually not yours (to prevent circle jerking).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:06 PM
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Just a bit of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:02 PM

It's in a really awkward place due to cultural shifts and progressivism. Progressivism simply has nothing to say about the pursued-pursuer dynamic still existing (which it very much does), all it talks about is freedom this freedom that, nobody has to this and that, and why so heterocentric anyway. Be normal or something. And unique. There is no script, wtf. Why sexist. This is the culture of college educated humanist-studies mainstream progressivism. People pathologically lie about it here or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:48 AM
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Not more than at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:36 PM

4 billion males do not think that, that's the difference. Your partners do not think that, do they? Again, women all agree that men who can't live up to the heterosexual script have nothing but themselves to blame and women changing to accomodate them to literally any degree is forcing themselves to have sex with unattractive men. That's why women are the gatekeepers of men's worth: they strictly hold this line collectively with a refusal to move an inch. Literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:41 PM

4 billion people's opinion, you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:15 PM

But I and other women aren't gatekeepers of your self worth Why? Women don't have "oversights". Don't have unfair expectations. Don't contribute to men feeling like they have to live up to things they aren't comfortable with, and if they do, that's men's fault for actually being losers or menchild. Women cannot change to accommodate men more because they value things that make sense to value. Women will not change. Those men are worthless. Sex with those men would be rape. You do understand that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:50 PM
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I don't know if they could, okay I doubt they couldn't change a tiny bit in a way that would accommodate men a little more, also most women are into men. But I'm not expecting them. Do you consider women to be the arbiters of good things and awesomeness, then? Or how do you view this unchangeability? Seems like the idea that good men women could actually enjoy being with are missing out is out of question, it's absurd, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:30 PM

Well then men’s sexuality is silly too! The fact that you say this like it's some theoretical gotcha and not my lived reality since I'm like 6... Yes, I'm silly as fuck from a female perspective and I have to be considerate with that, what I feel is too much, is inappropriate and unwanted, and it makes women feel bad. Men have to be considerate with women. Liking body parts and skin-tight shit on legs making my heart jump when I suddenly come across it on the street is my own business and nobody…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:44 PM
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...have you noticed that the vast majority of women roll their eyes when they think about men watching porn and liking women's bodies eagerly? It's not less legitimate. It's a completely different way of being. The word "silly" is a light word choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:34 PM
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If you act like men's dating struggles are all their failure and outside factors do not play into it, don't act like men "attach their worth to sex for no reason". You can't attach men's worthlessness to sexlessness and then act surprised that mrn have associations and feelings about that sort of stuff. Since this woman lowkey accused me of wanting to rape women, I alos talked about my personal life. What's not coherent?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:27 PM

I just think that women have room to improve, become more self aware, see their own gendered biases better, and develop more understanding for men, stuff like that, and that this would create a healthier dating landscape for everyone. If that's collectively only a "1% improvement" compared to how things are right now, that's still more than nothing. Women being perfectly "maxed out" in how progressively they approach gender roles and dating is way too black and white to me, and it's not a good s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:22 PM

What. Are. You. Talking about? What? Yes, you remember me talking about being into femdom in the past, and? What gives you the audacity to accuse me of wanting a "kink dispenser who I not see as human"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:15 PM
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Look, just for a bit of context, basically every woman thinks women's gender roles in heterosexual dating suck and that them getting significantly more dating opportunities and never having to initiate is overall not worth it (this includes dating app user women who are into casual sex), and why? Obviously due to how shitty men are on average. Compared to this, "women can not even vaguely be hinted at having to do something with men's dating struggles cause that's misogyny" is a massive differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:10 PM

Putting words into my mouth. Women changing in how they approach dating in any way shape or form, even if subtly, or at least being willing to entertain the idea of that being possible is a far wider concept than them having painful sex with people they don't want to. Something as simple as "I wish women were a bit more proactive in dating" could fall into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:01 PM

Entire existence itself can be seen as quirky or silly. And most women see men's true sexual nature (being drawn to porn for example) as such, to put it lightly. But at least we agree on women determining men's worth on the "awesome cool person - socially mutilated freak" spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:46 PM
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I did say that it's always going to be up to women. If you all collectively and entirely see that idea as raping yourself with a socially mutilated freak, well, obviously I cannot in good conscience recommend that. It's just that you guys are the arbiters of awesomeness then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:42 PM

About the edit: "oh don't worry it's not about character, it's just some social mutation that's weird and icky." The reason I would want women to work like me is because I work differently than them and I don't hate myself for it. It is that simple. But you are right, of course that cannot be expected, all I'm saying is that this framing of "society or other men randomly taught men to attach their worth to sexuality" is bad. Short-sighted. Having one half of humanity collectively agree that if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:35 PM

Should we? Imo being 100% resistant to the idea is a pretty bad sign and toxic. But it's always gonna be up to women. Whose prerogative is it to determine whether a woman's wants are "good, valuable, reasonable"? Women's, apparently. Like you get that this idea of a guy being a good valuable dude who women just can't see (miss out on) is the most pathetic idea ever and one you collectively refuse to believe? What are you talking about? Of course it's your collective pejorative. Women like worthy…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:28 PM

Ah, the kink shamer arrived even though it doesn't have anything to do with the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:19 PM

It's silly because it's a mechanism determining when and why genitalia rubbing should happen, and it's a uniquely judgemental and intense mechanism at that compared to men's. It's brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:08 PM
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Just clarifying that by "any type of men" I didn't mean "all type of men" but "any type at all".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:02 PM

It's maximalist and judgemental. It seeks something impressive rather than lame. It's hard to pin-point, yet severe, intense out of nowhere. It's still very instinctive and can seem arbitrary about its triggers. It's not chill. I understand that it's just how women are. And the way I am, I like porn, and most women think that's silly, to put it lightly. It's in a sense the opposite of what sex means to me. And at the end of the day, it's still about genitalia rubbing and mouth-contact and the li…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:59 PM

It's not the healthy thing to do, it's what you do. You are doing it right now. Weird fucking mutated men, right? Blows your mind. Meanwhile, your husband or BF... Yea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:48 PM
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This is always going to be a temporary mindset, or an aspect of how we can see ourselves, one perspective you can slip into imo. Unless you go all the way, and that looks like some sort of buddhist monk. It's still valuable, but for most humans, our lives are more complex and puny. Our entire civilization is built around money, for example, which is literally power manifest, and which we deserve different amounts of. It's unfortunately quite a real thing in many senses. This whole idea comes fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:45 PM

It's not "all about me", it's this ONE thing that is about me, my own experience. Men have those. Sorry, not sorry. I know how tiresome men can be, almost every woman agrees and says so, and I have like a decade of caring about heterosexual dating. It goes without saying. My dick's happiness is the only thing that matters. I doubt it would make you feel any better if I told you I basically never even complimented a woman's look irl let alone ever try to initiate, or that I grew up struggling wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:35 PM
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I can make a post about one thing without it being about another...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:05 PM

No we are not. We are silly too, and embarrassing. I think it doesn't take much for women to see us that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:58 PM

I never had issues reading people or understanding emotions and stuff like that, and I'm not that logic-oriented, so I doubt it. I'm more on the sensitive snowflake side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:20 AM
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Well, you know what they say. Strapons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:15 AM

The dentist question reminded me: my friend had many dental problems, and had to get one of his teeth pulled out. As the dentist did it, there was a loud crack, and the dentist got kind of pale. My friend's jaw kind of cracked. Fortunately, it wasn't too serious, I don't exactly remember what treatment he got but he was fine a few months later, when he told me the story. Anyway, he said that when it happened and he was still in the dentist chair, and the doctor was doing whatever he could, my fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:54 AM
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i dont see how you can be essentialist if people exist where they are easily identifiable by other people as acting, and/or looking like a gender that isnt the same as their sex at birth. Well, female and male sexuality are very predictably different (and this tends to change accordingly when trans people go on hormones), men being less desired and women being weaker deeply affect us, and it's something most people seek some sort of resolution to in heterosexuality, and I also consider masculini…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:45 PM

90% of people having a common exlerience not playing into that experience being a common portrayal doesn't make any sense. The only reason that could be "arbitrary" and "constructed" is if the percentage number itself is wrong. No?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:53 PM
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Thank you for reaffirming that this specific culture the subreddit represents is widespread and women in fact are largely in support of all of it. People often lie about this in this subreddit, for example the whole "bluepill is not a unified ideology". It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:50 PM

"some people", huh. Okay, so what if, and now hold onto something, 90% of people were heterosexual, or strongly heterosexual leaning? And then we have a society that is HEAVILY dichotomic in it's common portrayals and associations about sexuality (not to mention the pursuer-pursued dynamic, to which most feminists would react with "it's not feminists' job to think about how men can get their dicks wet). Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:47 PM
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No, I think mainstream feminism is contradictory and blind to some things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:43 PM

Well I kind of don't believe in trans people, or at least that's an idea I like to entertain. But I don't believe in it in the exact opposite way as transphobes, I think everyone is a little trans, at least heterosexuals. There is not that big of a rigid line between "I want to be with this" and "I want to be this". The core is just liking femininity or masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:40 PM

I know, I was being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:36 PM

Sexual orientation is about gender, or biological sex, and sexual orientation towards ONE category of people is giga-common. For me, heterosexuality to some degree is always gonna be about contrast. Again, they hate gender essentialism. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:35 PM

There is still people... Yea, one or two of them lol. Just a couple of quirky outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:33 PM

I think they are hypocritical, contradictory and misandrist. I dislike gender constructivism and I think it doesn't make sense. I am a gender essentialist - they despise me for that. I think heterosexuality is kind of essentialist and about contrast. I think mainstream feminist worldviews are incompatible with that. I think them crashing out, getting confused and nitpicking and gaslighting me forever is to be expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:30 PM

I did expand upon it, seek out my one comment that currently has -5 downvotes. I do not belive people there were willing to engage in good faith. I did not want to waste more time. I picked heterosexuality as an example, yes, homosexuality raises the same question. I have nothing against that, just didn't think of it, but that's so besides the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:21 PM

I asked if HETEROsexuality is binary because it's "I am one gender that is into another which I am not". I did that. Literally. These people hate "gender essentialism". So I asked them this. I think you are genuinely being bad faith at this point. But you all did answer my second question, at least. It is representative of feminism, seems like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:16 PM

Okay, gay and heterosexual people. Do they dichotomize gender, and is that a bad trend? For a bit of context, these people think of "gender essentialism" as something as bad as "racism". So what about these dichotomizing, common sexual orientations? I really, really don't think this question is all that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:13 PM

Do you think heterosexuality is reductive (binary) and should it be left behind (is it bad)? Still don't see it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:05 PM

Yes it was. With slightly different words.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:01 PM

They hate "dichotomizing gender", so I thought I would ask them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:01 PM

... and? I was asking about heterosexuality, which a lot of them thought I gave a bad definition of because... There are also gay people?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:59 PM

I asked them if "I am one of two category of human, and I am into the other that I am not" is heterosexuality and if they have an issue with this. How is that stupid? They do have an issue with it. In reality, sexuality is much more of a spectrum. So... What about heterosexuality? it is probably optimal to be less concerned about drawing boundaries around people's identities So... Heterosexuality is a bad concept, then? However I don’t think that’s what many people mean when they say they are he…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:58 PM

I asked that because they are very much against gender being a binary there, as I have seen over and over. So I asked them if they think heterosexuality is binary and if that is an issue. They crashed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:52 PM

I asked that because they are very much against gender being a binary there, as I have seen over and over. So I asked them if they think heterosexuality is binary and if that is an issue. They crashed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:52 PM

Q4feminists: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1sz07uc/do_you_think_heterosexuality_is_reductive_and/ Made this post recently. I have two questions. Why was I downvoted and what did these women think I was wrong about. What does heterosexuality mean, then? Do you think this place is representative of feminists in general, and if not, where can I find different kinds of feminists that can be talked to? Thx!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:32 PM
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Why do you assume the guys who speak in a language that suggests they live in a world like that are not damaged themselves? Me personally, I'm not even sure I want to date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:13 PM

I'm trying to figure out why you have a very different perspective than mine, as per your first comment. It's not that complicated. I never went to college and worked jobs like delivery guy, low-tier hospital worker, warehouse, kitchen porter, currently at a hotel moving laundry and helping the cleaners. I see the construction guys who come to repair shit, the dude who delivers the materials to the kitchen, a group of women (including a supervisor) laughing between the selces about one of my col…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:07 PM

Except "men as a demographic have to adhere to x standards" is at least partially about norms, not just "enforced gender roles", whatever that even is. Otherwise they would also think that for example the "slut shaming double standard" doesn't exist anymore in western countries and women aren't affected by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:54 PM
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I'm not at all personally interested in people like that. I'm just saying that there is a whole world of people like that out there and descriptions about how women and men work that ignore that are a kind of short-sighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:41 PM

No, I'm just saying that most feminist women say they are "above it" and men are sexist if they think most women aren't. It's an example of this phenomenon existing outside of here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:30 PM

I was asking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:21 PM

Maybe it's a class difference. Most people are working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:13 PM

That's fair but it's also a trend I see outside of this subreddit, when the topic comes up. Like, find me a feminist woman who believes men have to live up to some arbitrary masculine standard that women seek in dating and that this is noteworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:12 PM

Or sloppy romcoms and stuff. Have you ever hung out with working class people much?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:06 PM
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Nothing serious. But I like femdom, like succubi, wrote a story with a succubus as one of the main characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:35 PM

B-b-b-b bird bird bird, bird is the word
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:03 AM
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Not gonna lie, I sometimes feel the same way about objectification as women do about hypergamy. The term seems to be used in all kinds of different ways, whichever fits the narrative. Is it behaviour or a way of seeing someone? Even if it is behaviour, is it automatically bad? Is it something more specific than being an asshole to someone in general? Let's say at a club my gaze meets a woman's who I see as attractive and she winks at me and sticks out her tongue. Is that objectification? Or is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:25 PM
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"there is nothing wrong with heterosexual women wanting a relationship with heterosexual men" I though this will be about biphobia lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:42 PM
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Blaming women (or any group or individual) is either valid or isn't. That's it. Plenty of times it isn't, I'll give that to you. The example you gave about "having to settle down after hoe phase" is mostly insecure whining in my opinion too. But again, blame is just what it is. Does it give you "results" to blame men for why in dating "the risks are outweighing the benefits" for women, as you like to say? It's not about results. It's just something you believe to be true. But it CAN help underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:36 PM
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Not be mad at me for thinking "the ratio" is real and it sucks? Acknowledging their privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:33 AM
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The fact that in kink communities, there are virtually no dominant women who can simply accept that the extremely lopsided ratio of sub men/dominant women sucks for men is very telling. Like, this is a specific niche fetish/subculture, the "there are equal amounts of women and men in hetero relationships" literally doesn't apply here cause it's not about heterosexuality as a whole, and the ratio IS very lopsided, there are faaar more men into it. But as always, women in these subcultures have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:05 AM
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Literally most leftist people would disagree with you. For the life of me I don't get why so many of you who actively spend time to oppose redpill talking points literally doesn't even register prevalent leftist talking points. It's like every single one of you. Every one. I just don't get it. But whatever, this is off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:24 AM
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My flair is meant to reference the futility of engaging in internet arguments. It's self deprecating. It genuinely never occurred to me someone would read it as a serious sexual label... We are at a place where that wouldn't be all that crazy and your explanation is not very obvious imo. But maybe that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:19 AM
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Worth to mention how ironic this is from a person with their kink orientation as their flair, but whatever. Yea, sex-positivity that includes men includes this stuff. We are far more easily excitable and eager. We see women we are into every day, irl, and we usually masturbate often while focusing on an object of desire, and orgasm easily. We love women's bodies, well the ones we see as attractive. That's most men. I care as little about women's random dryness as women care about men's random er…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:24 PM
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Yea that happens a lot. Both genders do it tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:06 PM
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I was hoping that it gets revealed he did not know as a kid that his brothers are going to drown, but... it really seemed like he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:05 PM
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Anyone seen The Penguin? Godamn the ending was depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:25 PM
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Understandable and I sometimes feel similarly about female sexuality. Hopefully humans manage to see past their differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:27 PM
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Anyway, I don’t think it’s interesting to make too broad generalisations about what men are like and how women think about sex Like "men value sex too much, they shouldn't be motivated by it to for example self-improve, that is weird"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:34 PM

Cry more, sex-haver, cry more. "Men don't undertsnd."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:27 PM

Says the casual dating app user who thinks it's ridiculous men would think she is privileged -.-
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:22 PM
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How do you know that? It's a subreddit dedicated to dating and sexuality. I doubt that the majority of men here can't enjoy a good meal, or a video game or a movie/series. It being more important than it is for women is again explained by what I talked about, plus missing out on it can easily add to desiring it more too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:17 PM
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So many women are like "why is sex so important for men, it shouldn't be such a big motivator". So then imagine taking a powerful aphrodisiac. One that would for example give you strong urges to touch other people or rub your genitalia against their bodies. Would that change your sexual motivation? Obviously yes, right? This really is just a disdain for male nature or a refusal to see it for what it is. Sex imo is exactly as important for men as it makes sense for it to be important. The cultura…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:54 PM

Yea, mass-killing civilians is not genocide by definiton.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:35 PM

Interesting how nobody (on reddit) seems to consider the nuking of Hiroshima amd Nagasaki genocide. Considering how trigger-happy folks are with that word these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:37 PM

Can be. Hypergamy is just that "impress me" quality of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:21 PM
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For me, it's: Lack of empathy and understanding from women is shitty and has nothing to do with my personal romantic life. I have the belief that heterosexuality is about suffering in contrast and seeking resolution for it. We are all victims of Aphrodite, if you will. If the alternative to conservatism is "we are all equal gender roles are bullshit so stop with the sexism", then women getting several hundred times more matches and a significantly easier time getting dates and especially casual …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:44 AM

I don't really think that can work, unless maybe if it's a very strong grip, but it does feel kind of unrealistic to me. Source: I'm big into edging.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:22 PM

Women holding it over men's head how much more effort they put into their looks does not mesh with why women say they do it. It's either... Societal conditioning, which then they should just fight if they are uncomfortable with. Or a personal hobby which they do for themselves. In that case that is as relevant as a guy posing with a very impressive fish he caught which he put a lot of effort into, nobody cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:30 PM
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I actually see it as an expression of something larger and wholesome, but I sort of get what you mean, I'm just saying. I guess it's really subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:50 PM
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I guess it's just very subjective but this "it doesn't really count" is exactly what I found liberating, like to me that isn't an explanation why it's meaningless but rather the opposite. It was deliberately a nice thing. That it's possible to just... touch a woman and feel her body and softness and all that. It's validating in the sense that for all of those urges I felt over a lifetime there is suddenly a space, and a very literal "ok do it". And it's a weird mix, cause something that exists a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:35 PM
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I mean you can still even value those, one can value multiple thigns at once. But nobody is guaranteed those things, and as a man, if you don't wanna put active effort into approaching, things probably won't just happen anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:33 PM

Welp, see you in a week
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:18 PM
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It is brutal indeed and I dislike it about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:29 PM
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I wouldn't want to date most women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:48 AM
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I have 0 issue with that, I'm not sure if those explanations fit tho in that case cause I'm not a woman, but host clubs are a thing indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:45 AM
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I've tried it, only twice so far but I wanna explore it a bit more eventually. I don't know if it's objectification - the definition of that word seems to fluctuate as much as hypergamy. If it is, then I would say finding a random woman's ass to be nice is too, or looking at an erotic model, then this sort of easy visual sexual trigger is objectification. In that case, that's okay to a degree and it has a time and a place. But like, I didn't feel like they were not a full human for a moment, nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:40 AM
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Yea, it's not a replacement for real relationships, it goes both ways. But I would argue that "it's not genuine it's done for money" is kind of overstated. In a sense that really doesn't matter. People normally don't have quite that much of a black and white thinking about payed services. You can't even go base jumping without paying money for it but you wouldn't see those outlets as "soulless". Now sex is a unique thing though and it's a very physically intimate act so generally escorting is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:51 AM
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After watching the immersive circus show, I came to the conclusion that humans are beautiful animals. Heck it, even male ones. Ofc I'm not into them but I have a newfound appreciation for the male form.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:32 AM

Honestly, try therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:54 PM
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What do you mean by this? That it's the select few most sexual women? I think you can still learn a thing or two from folks who specialize in something.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:32 AM
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You can adress me as your royal highness
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:21 AM
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Me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:13 AM
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Glad that we agree for once
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:03 AM

I like pants, underwear and t-shirts. Shoes are nice too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:33 PM
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love is evil Embrace your inner Žižek
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:06 PM
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Hey, I remember you. I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:21 PM
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Which other sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:10 AM
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Q4w: do thirsty men dm you from this sub often? I would kind of assume that the culture here makes that rare, but I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:55 AM
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I think the "don't ask the fish" logic thing sort of makes sense for bonding and being understood. Dating advice is fine to receive from both genders, but you will never be able to connect with a woman over "wanting to get your dick wet" while men will get it. Men just have a much higher chance of understanding some struggles and the whole mentality. But yea, the saying should be reserved for connection and bonding over shared experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:56 AM

INFP, and Enneagram 4 (probably wing 5). They either can't figure out themselves or these systems aren't perfect and don't describe everyone. But I very much feel like the "core fear/core desire" idea is correct, even if hard to pinpoint. We all have our cross to carry through our life, and the core of that doesn't change. That makes sense to me. That's why I also don't like these "tri-type" folks who are picking three Enneagram numbers for themselves. Back when Dr.K was doing a lot of long from…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:21 PM
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I hear you loud and clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:14 PM
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If it's online. Becasue the "sad... pic?" comment I made is obviously implied to be online. And no, a guy asking for a blowjob of a stranger is not what I'm talking about...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:47 PM
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That example sentence is your invention, I did not say or suggest anything like that. Okay, I was goofy with the "sad... so pic?" part. What I was getting at is that men kind of work that way internally, even if they never express it. Physical attraction means a lot to men, and expressed shyness or lamentation about stuff like "idk how to talk to men" is bot really seen off-putting by itself. That's it. Every man is a "random" man before you get to know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:19 PM
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I actually have had a handful of overweight women attempt to do this with me through my life (I'm not fat myself), so yea, I think it can exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:10 PM
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I don't get what's so weird about someone sitting though another person's awkwardness and reassuring them to be called a form of help. Also, arguably we only ever help anyone in any way if we desire to for some reason, unless it's a duty we have perhaps. Again, I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:57 PM
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Well, did you put your own preferences aside for a person who is nervous to make phone calls? You're not a woman tho, but I might as well ask you too. And what it has to do with "helping men in dating and with sexual intimacy" is that this kind of man tends to struggle with women, if you haven't noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:54 PM
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Do you think it's humanly possible for a man to actively be on the lookout for dating opportunities (men's gender role in dating) and also be a wholesome person at the same time? Or you genuinely think that's an oximoron?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:48 PM
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Once again, I'm not asking or trying to convince women, I am asking about how fundamental and deep rooted this association is. So you COULD be interested in a shy guy, maybe. Ok. But never if you caught him talking about how he is shy and inexperienced and doesn't know how to flirt with women, and let's say added that he wished women were more proactive? Is that where the disgust kicks in?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:40 PM
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That "so pics" was a cheekily blunt way of highlighting men's internal workings, it was poking a bit of fun at it. It's not that serious. And I did not say that immediately having sex is the way to do this. I did not mention a guy fucking a woman in my post. There is no reality in which random stranger men are doing this, especially at a party. There is no reality where a guy chats up a shy woman at a party without turning into an ape if she doesn't have sex with him that night, or at all? Serio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:32 PM
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About half the women here literally say that me describing how men are not off-put by this sort of stuff is predatory. I'm not one to say to never listen to a woman's advice, but like... our perspectives are kind of worlds apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:48 PM
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It's a type of help. A more confident and perhaps more experienced person seeing a less confident/inexperienced person and deciding to see if they are open to something intimate - let's say at a party - and adjusting their behaviour to be considerate and make that shyer person feel at ease is by all means helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:43 PM
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Disagree, I think that's oversimplyfying it. I said this to another commenter: It's a type of help. A more confident and perhaps more experienced person seeing a less confident/inexperienced person and deciding to see if they are open to something intimate - let's say at a party - and adjusting their behaviour to be considerate and make that shyer person feel at ease is by all means helping. But even if you wouldn't call it help, this is the sort of stuff I'm asking about in my post. The point i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:25 PM
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It's complicated. But yes, I think plenty of men would like some help. Of course it's embarrassing because women and most other men find that lame. I myself lost my virginity with an escort, I don't at all mind help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:09 PM
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You still misunderstand my premise. What if it's a woman you are attracted to? Can you even imagine a scenario like that? I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:04 PM
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I think it's a mix of both for most men but I already know you'll disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:01 PM
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I was meant to ask about a kind of help that is deliberate and literally sexual. I'm not saying men who don't know how to get dates can't be helped in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:59 PM
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One reason why I like personality type models (my fav is the Enneagram) is because it really drives home that there are different types of people. Like, I get folks being sceptical but for example in this subreddit too I see people act like their priorities in life make the most sense and others are "deluding themselves" from what is really important. When to some degree for other people that's literally just not what they care about. You see it a lot with very instinctual people who laugh at "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:36 PM

That's a rather loaded interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:32 PM
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I mean you are the only woman who replied like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:15 PM

It's a type of help. A more confident and perhaps more experienced person seeing a less confident/inexperienced person and deciding to see if they are open to something intimate - let's say at a party - and adjusting their behaviour to be considerate and make that shyer person feel at ease is by all means helping. It's hilarious that asking directly, specifically about this make so many of you so triggered. Yes, I am doing that, I am asking about this. But sure, have your associations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:13 PM
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It's just that they routinely say they are not attracted to men who need help. The one thing that goes without saying for a man who laments struggling there is that a woman seeing that will NOT have sex with that men, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:06 PM
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Okay, so is that different for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:50 PM
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No, but you sort of did. I was asking WHY the act itself of saying "I don't know how to date women, I wish women helped" is unattractive automatically, not IF it is. (It is, to women).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:36 PM
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If she was a hot milf, then I might.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:32 PM
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I already did in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:26 PM
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That's about physical beauty, not about an aversion to someone asking for help or struggling to date itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:18 PM
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I'm also a human being and I don't have this same association. Again, could be biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:04 PM
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There is aversion to helping men directly and personally and at least online that seems near universal amongst women. Or in other words, a sexual aversion for a man who needs help. They might offer advice, but that's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:40 AM
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Nothing about "should", I'm asking if you think this "this is weird" reaction to the concept of helping/leading a man like this is biologically hardwired in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:23 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:44 AM
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If she is not attracted to the man, she doesn't. My question is why is it that men expressing that they have difficulties dating is unattractive to women, and if that's hardwired.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:41 AM
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I don't disagree with that but it does't really answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:10 AM
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They could get to know them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:05 AM
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You see this is why I was surprised by you dating a person who you described as quite socially anxious, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:56 AM
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Help as in have some intimacy with, not necessarily exclusively penetrative sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:47 AM
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Depression literally affects the body and is a predictor of shorter lifespans. And I think it's a reasonable assumption that the higher someone's drive is, the more often they experience desire and more intensely, the more they are going to be tortured by not being able to get experiences. Now there are ways to counter act this, I belive monk-mode is a doable path, but I think it's not as simple as you make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:44 AM
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Look. I am not convinced that without western interference these dictatorial hellholes "would just be fine". I just think it's fucking absurd that we have like masses of LGBTQ+ radical feminist types, the leftest of the left currently 10000% being pro-islam, basically. Like Israel being sort of a western base there is supposed to be this huge revelation of some sort of evil conspiracy uprooting the poor arabs... I am sorry, but keeping an eye on dangerous uncivilized angry scum haording guns and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:54 PM
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The right being insane is no news to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:45 PM
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Leftists: You think men have it bad? I'll have you know that in some palces of the world, women are property of their male family memebrs, can not show their hair, and are stoned to death if they are accused of infidelity. Think again... Also leftists: poor arabs noooooooo why would anyone have an issue with them noooooooooo imperialism noooooooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:41 PM
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US conservatives admire how Orbán solidified himself here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:47 PM
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Hungarian elections in 2 days, there is a chance that Putin-puppet Orbán will be replaced, and if that happens, there is a chance that it will actually be meaningful. Wish us luck! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YrPnXohD0Q
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:22 PM
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That's how I feel about every single women ever when they all agree that heterosexual gender roels are not an issue, taht women having to be impressed has no negative repercussions on society, and when they feel nothing but disgust if a guy thinks them getting 10000000 times more dating opportuninties is enviable. Sure, end it. Victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:14 PM

Look. Did you go to therapy? Or are you going to continue to deflect and project your personal insecurities onto "society"? You know what, we can compare wages, if that makes you feel better. I make the equivalent of 1300 US dollars per month, before taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:04 PM

The misandry seping through your comment doesn't help your casue. No wonder you don't get promoted. People can feel the victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:37 PM

And? Hiring and promoting is a sujective process. Do you want to hold a gun to bosses heads and force them to hire certain people? What about me? I'm a man in a low paying job, I would like to get more too. Realistically, all you can do is do the best with the cards dealt to you. Stop whining. Go to therapy. There are techniques to teach you to be more assertive. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:32 PM
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"Go otuside. Touch grass. Normal peopel are normaling normally. SOemthign soem,thign wallamrt. Stop whining, loser. Victim complex. What do you want ME to do anyway?" -- regular go-getter self-made ppd normies, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:29 PM
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Eastern europe, hotel (she is a cleaner). It's worth it for them financially to work here for a few years with a visa.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:13 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:11 PM
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Dude, I'm not doing anything, I literally just enjoy her niceness. It's not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:07 PM
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What, I don't intend to ask her out or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:05 PM
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I have a bit of a crush on my female filippino colleague, and it honestly feels like that's mutual. Or she is just friendly and a bit awkward. But she always lights up a little and says my name when she sees me, complimented my hair, but also feels a bit flustered around me, and probably I do to her too. We don't speak too much cause I'm still a reserved person plus we don't work like super closely together, but every once in a while we have small bursts of conversations. She has a kid though ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:19 PM
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What are you gonna do about it? Hold a gun to people's head to reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:34 PM

What are you gonna do about it? Hold a gun to my head to reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:32 PM

I never said it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:25 PM

No, I mean the cultural change is like: men are the more eager gender, women are the more selective gender, so "why would I have to put up with that" comes up on both sides when people are less and less coerced into roles. I think that's as real as the economical stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:03 PM

We are free in the sense that women can work and are less and less pressured to marry and have kids, and singledom is more and more accepted. People from more patriarchal cultures with rigid gender roles still have plenty of kids indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:34 PM
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Yea, 99% it's a select few multiolayer games I'm medicore at bit enjoy anyways. Magic Arena and LoL mostly
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:27 PM

Ok but we also haven't been the kind of free we are now trying to be, basically ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:08 PM
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I see that in your opinion they realize they don't actually want it. Good for them. The vast majority wants it by default though and that is enough to be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:01 AM
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I think there is some degree of a natural incompatibility that may not mean that humanity needs to die out, I admit that is pessimistic, but still. Most women do not want casual sex, are sensitive to signs of a guy not being serious, and require a strong degree of trust and familiarity before sex. Women repeatedly say so over and over and roll their eyes at men for being different over and over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:55 AM

It's because women dislike being desired primarily for their bodies, and men dislike being judged more in some aspects than how they judge women. There is less pressure now to adhere to anything, and more emphasis on knowing what YOU want and having boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:59 AM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:48 AM
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Question posts have to be addressed to a demographic, I just figured I will go with bluepill, cause those reactions interest me the most in this case. (And "discussion" posts tend to be withheld for a while ime)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:44 AM
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I hope you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:42 AM

Well, being judged harsher like that feels bad. That's it. Whoopsie doo. Less sex and less men even trying is a trend, right? Or do you dispute that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:41 AM

Women's AND men's freedom to say no, and this is all assuming we don't die out. If we do manage to fix all these political and social issues, what happens then? There is a growing number of young men who isn't even trying to initiate anymore, les and less sex is had, the trends are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:32 AM
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Not your specifically, I though they say it like that in English in discussions, but I mean't the genders'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:27 AM

Aaand that's your incompatibility. And no, I never expressed desire in a woman except with an escort. I do what I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:24 AM

No. I am asking you why do you think women collectively dislike the pursued role and why they all agree that it's not a privilege to be able to have sex faaaar more easily than men. Surely you have seen women say that, unless this is literally your first day to gender discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:14 AM

.... Why is it again that women dislike getting objectively more opportunities for sex, then? Can you re-explain this "guys wanting to get their dicks wet is not an advantage" thing again? Oh yea, men are just lame as fuck or rapists, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:08 AM

Maybe. And? How is that NOT an incompatibility? Women aren't down to let men "give them a try", largely speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:59 AM

Men are of course down with relationships, but they prefer to have casual first and then "see what happens". Every boy who ever jerked his dick to sexy imagery of a woman he probably doesn't even know the real name of would have loved to actually have sex with that woman. Women are not obligated to entertain men's preferred, natural way of being. There is still an incompatibility here that can only be overcome with some sort of compromise or collective coercion imo. And the trend seems to be tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:45 AM

What, I did not say that. Although there are images that are shown, at least at my school they did, for example about how to put on a condom. Or at anatomy class.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:35 AM

If we can teach them about wrapping their erect penises in rubber, this shouldn't be that crazy... It's lame that we are so afraid of pedophilia that we can't have more honest conversation with young humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:32 AM

No. And it's not fantasy, it's technique.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:05 AM
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That's a lie. Wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:29 AM
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I visited an escort (legal where I live) two times so far, once when I was like 19, and the second time a decade later, not too long ago. The first time was more of a "yolo" thing, but I was so nervous I couldn't even get hard, which was something I really did not expect. Like, I got off to naked women daily, I love porn, it didn't even cross my mind that this would be an issue, even if I was nervous. But it was. We were just two naked humans lying next to each other with 0 sexual charge in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:37 PM
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The idea that a man wanting sex with a woman should already count as making her feel desired. But those are not the same thing. A man can want sex for many reasons. Sometimes it’s genuine attraction. But it can also be convenience, boredom, curiosity, or simply that she is available I know that some guys talk about "dumpster diving" but I never quite got what even is the point. I mean I get that there are tiers of attractiveness, but if my penis gets hard to someone, that's a pretty strong line …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:10 PM
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These are quite broad questions and I spent like a decade thinking about them and discussing them. But I'll try to give short answers. The idea that men have issues outside of "being wrong due to patriarchal socialization". Aka the suffering of the more eager gender. And also that yes, women do play into that. Complicated, but a relevant angle is that the gender-critical framework and deconstructing of norms have left us with the underlying issue the patriarchy tried to suppress, and that's male…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 12:12 PM
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It's hard to prove but I think some things have been toned down and some ideas more accepted. I think at least this "the patriarchy hurts men too" package is a little more common now compared to 10 years ago and while I still disagree with a lot of the framings that come with that, it's at least something. Gender constructivism-leaning arguments about dating too are a little less common, and I'm certain that's extra true for this very subreddit, I am pretty sure even like 5 years ago more people…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:37 AM
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Why blame women? I like how I verbalized it here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1p0moxu/womens_repulsion_of_weakness_while_more_subtle_is/ And I think whiny men generally have solid solidarity for each other, but yea, everyone who is pushing back against that is in opposition, and that does include the "stop being a soyboy bitch" kind of guys. I indeed don't like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:33 AM
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Is it true that "You don't need money, don't take fame Don't need no credit card to ride this train It's strong and it's sudden, and it's cruel sometimes But it might just save your life That's the power of love"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:38 AM
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Out of those movies I have only seen Eternal Sunshine, but if you really think that movie is an example of what you are talking about, well... hard disagree. The whole archetype is meant to further the man’s understanding of himself and the world. She is just a tool. To some degree, this is basically true of almost every side character of every story that has a clear protagonist. A story is often one person's story, that's just how story telling works. But again, I think this is also just a horr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:32 PM
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Most convicted rapists don't go to prison? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:42 PM
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The outright obvious bad behaviour is largely speaking straight up illegal already, even if hard to prove and police. But I think violence can be greatly reduced at the very least with better cultural norms, mental health, education, etc, there is potential for a better world. And men are routinely told to do better and that if anything can be "fixed" about dating, that's 100% on men (which I don't 100% agree with btw but whatever). What do you want men to do then? What's your solution? Or even …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 11:26 AM
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But those males still have to impress the females and compete with each other, and they obviously have the incentive to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:35 AM
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Is "everything else" men's bad behaviour? Or what, is it more like just a general incompatibility between the genders? Even then, yes, it's on men to then figure out a way to go around that and adjust.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:21 AM
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This is what I said: Because at the end of the day, several hundred times more matches are several hundred times more matches. Never having to initiate, being able to afford to be shyer and still date, even men doing small gestures for you. Don't you WANT these things to be positives, if they have to exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:06 AM
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and the reason for that is that women don't need them, they can find partners off the apps by just existing, as long as they're not physically repulsive or actively try to not find anyone. That's just an expansion on my point. And would you not call THAT a form of pedestalization, or something adjacent? Like, why do you think this is? I just know that a woman I see as attractive could very easily make me feel real good. Do you not feel that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:04 AM

I disagree. It's not just Trump who decided that Iran is a danger, there were a lot of professionals who were rining alarm bells for a while now about the recent Iran situation. And a country that hates the western world, considers USA to be the literal devil, is barbaric to the degree that they execute gays and women with their hair showing and massacre their own people, and HAS nuclear research facilities which they are now refusing to let overseen by international commitees is creepy as fuck,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:50 PM
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It's the threat of predators. When a woman says that no, she does not care about getting hundreds of matches on an app cause she dislikes apps, that isn't quite because she gets sexually assaulted by all hundreds of those men. It's something that happens sometimes to women (when it shouldn't happen at all) and it colors the entire process of dating for them. I do not believe that this doesn't come with much more subtle unpleasantries on women's side. And it's not a matter of "not listening to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:24 PM
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Okay, but the pursuer/pursued dynamic itself is a gender role. Like, 99% of paying clients of sex-workers being men is a gender role, so is women getting several hundred times more matches on apps than men, these are quite literally different roles to be in that depend on your gender. And so what does it mean that it's "stupid and outdated" in this context? Who should do what, then? Men should stop pursuing, or women should start? "Everyone can do whatever they personally chose" does not say muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:14 PM
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Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:06 PM
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Great comment, I still think we can call it biphobia cause that's literally what it is, a phobia of bi men. But your explanation feels apt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:55 PM
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I... don't think it's a gotcha at all, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:38 PM
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Oh I didn't mean it to be one, I like your flair and it's fitting for someone arguing against bi-phobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:24 PM
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Flair checks out :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:19 PM
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My mood fluctuates and so there is a bit of truth to some of what I wrote but overall I have issues with women and society and I'm probably not gonna stop yapping about it in some form for a while. I'll try not to be too dramatic tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:09 PM
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I felt like that would have been a bit cruel, but fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:09 PM
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APRIL FOOLS, BITCHES!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:40 PM
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I had a long night of self-reflection over a couple of beers after a day of spending time with my little half-sister. And I just came to realize I can't do this anymore. I was wrong, too dramatic, overthinking everything, wasting my time with these debates online. At the end of the day, women are just living their lives and doing their best in their own circumstances, and they do have a lot of pressure and bad experiences. I suddenly felt so nitpicky and spiteful. Like, what am I doing. I should…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:38 PM
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-.- no
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:30 AM
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And I think YOUR gender roles are easy as heck, thank you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:27 AM
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As if women aren't into men at all... If women are overwhelmed and don't like their position much as the pursued gender + they don't really approach much, then at least be a little bit more like "ok, this is how and where we wanna meet men". It's only making themselves "tributes" if heterosexuality itself is a bother for women. And it's not like you have a better solution, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:24 AM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:16 AM
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I don't know. I guess in a very peaceful and safe society full of respectful men, it would be ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:13 AM
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The difference is that many women do date and sleep with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:37 AM
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If women didn't dislike their position, they wouldn't find it mad pathetic (and probably sexist) when they saw men envying them or thinking their position has big upsides. And if they still did anyway, then I guess I just don't like women that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:49 PM
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Look, if many women live life with a baseline level of dislike for "random attention", and if men hearing that say they would like spaces where there is "clear allowance" then, is that understandable? If yes, maybe that's something for women to keep in mind. No, I cannot get more specific than that becasue I literally can't, obviously women cannot be forced to do anything. So it's a vague post. Spaces like these exist, but seems like more women dislikes them than not, and again that's not just o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:37 PM
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So I just started flirting with everyone. Everywhere. Almost all of it was just a bit of fun banter, but there were also numerous times when a ton of women were very receptive. I do not believe that women would like masses of men attempting to do this. This idea that society has room for every guy doing this respecfully every single time they feel like it and that the only issue is literally when men get violent simply isn't believable to me. And it's just an absurd take. It's in the ballpark of…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:31 PM
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Most men in general are looking to get laid first imo. That urge comes in at puberty and reaches its peak intensity daily through an orgasm. Doesn't mean they can't care for relationships or women's personalities. But some of this misaligned motivation is always there beneath the surface. Dating apps have a chat function and people generally set up dates where they attempt to get to know each other. Yes, I understand that they often suck, but I don't think they are a fundamentally bad idea. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:12 PM
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I don't think any "dating outlet" can influence women being approached more or less. I think in the long term, it very much would. Absolute creeps are their own issue and that too is something that doesn't have an easy quick fix. But in general, masses of men would already prefer clear "appropriate" settings... if they worked better and if more women participated too. If we manage to shift thigns that way, imo it would reduce women "feeling like prey" in everyday life, at least root out a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:00 PM
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The issue is generally with men being super creepy about it. This is always what women default back to when men's issue with the setup is factored into the discussion. "What, no, it's all good actually and only very bad men are the problem, you shouldn't have an issue otherwise". It lacks nuance, and it greatly underplays how unpleasant "inoffensive awkwardness" can get even if there is no clear victim or ill will present. One would assume that the gender that often thinks that THEM asking someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:48 PM
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Agreed, it's a silly argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:40 PM
0

:(
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:23 AM
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Mr. White?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:32 PM
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YOU are not the guy. You're not capable of being the guy. I had a guy but now I don't. You. Are not. The guy!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:54 PM
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Come on, man, you really think women experiencing sexual harassment is rare?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:45 PM

An issue I have with alcohol is that I am very much a shy pee-er, and alcohol makes me pee like once every 30 minutes. And it doesn't help with the shyness, I swear it actually makes it worse, somehow. So if I'm out with friends and I gotta pee in a loud public bathroom, it's a whole ordeal, even if I get in a toilet stall.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:21 AM
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Yea, women are less eager and more selective, often experience sexual harassment from a young age, often feel overwhelmed with the attention society puts on their bodies, there is pregnancy and size difference compared to men, that's the gist of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:34 AM
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Idk, it would feel like there is less of a dissonance between the genders. It just feels weird and cold when women insist revealing clothing is not "sexy" and that's just something men came up with to police them. How about not policing women but still acknowledging that most men will be affected? It's not like we chose to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:57 AM
2

Like venting about dating as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:50 PM
2

What you mean by incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:42 PM
2

People are suffering. Most affected: other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:35 PM
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I think it’s warranted because a lot of those vents can turn very misogynistic, very fast Proof? No but seriously, I actually don't know if a moderated, egaliatrian space would realistically turn into a redpill-subreddit kind of palce due to this. Or if that ever actually happened. Redpill or incel forums are usually made by bitter men from the get-go. Self, like most of reddit, has a baseline "left-leaning normalcy" kind of culture, and the men posting in such spaces have to abide by their rule…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:06 PM
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I just think that whole framing is a bit of a jump from the original premise. But I get the associations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:35 PM

I just found your comment funny, you must admit it gets a little unhinged by the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:07 PM

Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:55 PM
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I'm not justifying harassment or anything. Why should women have to know how they affect men’s internal reactions? I said I wish they did, not thay they should. And that's because it would feel nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:55 PM
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Ok but that doesn't mean it "makes no difference". I hope that women know how they effect men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:44 AM
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I don't believe that how women dress doesn't matter because it literally matters to me. A woman wearing a hot outfit can make my heart jump. Skintight stuff especially. A woman wearing baggy clothes or a trenchcoat? Not really. The internal experience is actually massively different, and knowing men, this has to be normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 10:16 AM
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Literally even the google ai just gave me a vaguer definition, as it adds "mate value". And "social status", does that include shyer people dating more charming-outgoing people? Cause then we are basically there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:03 PM
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Plenty of guys do, at least amongst themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:36 PM
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Not anymore, at least not in pop culture. Terms evolve. Eg "incel".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:33 PM
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Hypergamy = women need "more" to get sexually aroused than men, and it's largely down to "cool impressive stuff". I still don't get why this is so unreasonable. I mean ok, the stereotypical tone of manosphere guys is why. But that aside, this is basically how the term is used 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:25 PM

Ppd women: grew up in a hardcore Christian giga-conservative community with an alcoholic abuser father. And so they routinely say stuff like "society expects women to be second class citizen slaves". Also ppd women: what you mean women care about their partners income or laugh at short guys or can be abusive? Never! People are normal and well adjusted and fair. Where do you hang out to see such weird people, wtf, get off the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:04 AM
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The internet is probably a solid sample size of systems of human argumentations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:32 PM
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Female
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:23 PM
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Bougth the plane tickets, I'm going to solo travel to Mexico City in about a month, from Euorpe. Visiting a good online friend of 5-6 years (iirc). Never done anything like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:12 PM
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That sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:33 PM
2

scientifically most men only stretch one inch to one inch and a half longer than their resting size maybe I'm a giga grower but this is hard for me to believe, it's like twice the size hard, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:20 PM
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Women talking about dating app experiences in reply to whiny men thinking they have it good: it's a literal warzone out there. Women talking about their dating app experiences on their own: casual AF tone that gives off vibes like they are going out shopping. Every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:08 PM
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What if the second one is accidental, and he originally just found you hot, for example before he knew anything about you? And maybe that motivated him to interact, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:58 PM
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It's just that I wouldn't have expected you caring for someone like how this person seems to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:08 PM
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Interesting to learn that you of all people date someone with that level of anxiety and shyness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:49 PM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:28 PM
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I want to see mountains, Gandalf, mountains!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:28 PM
2

Q4m do you shave the left side of your face first or right? And mustache first, last, or in the middle?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:57 PM
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"Diogenes of Sinope (c. 413–323 BC) was a Greek philosopher and a foundational figure of Cynicism, known for advocating a simple, virtuous life in accordance with nature by renouncing societal conventions, wealth, and possessions. He lived in a ceramic jar (a tub) in Athens, begging for food and famously mocking elite society, including Plato and Alexander the Great, to exemplify self-sufficiency."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:08 PM
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wise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:54 PM

Your average normie ppder would sooner agree to government distributed wives than to admit the significance of the toxicity of the mainstream-feminist loser-man hating attitude and the enormous cultural harm it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:29 PM
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Social media is the place where negativity is unnaturally concentrated. And eastern Europe...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:51 AM
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just messing with ya
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:23 PM
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Yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:19 PM
2

Councelors famously tend to get blood hungry later down their careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:18 PM
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I feel embarassed when other people feel embarassed I suppose the more you agree with this, the higher score it gives? Imo it's just usually not that bad at all. If someone is obviously preoccupied with how they come across, that means they aren't actively judging me, lol. I think seeing someone embarassed goes from pretty chill to cute. (Unless they are a dick about it trying to compensate.) 81 points btw
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:09 PM
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I think 2 or 3 times so far
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:51 PM
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Fair. Culture and how we are brought up matters a ton, I'm just not convinced. At the end of the day, male desire is easy as heck to relate to, period, it's very straightforward, and female desire just isn't. People could greatly mess up and create shitty societal structures around an innately asymmetrical setup too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 11:54 AM
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But the very fact that women often go through like an "awakening" like this could still be in big part biological, and the smaller+weaker+pregnancy combo is a compelling explanation for it. And I would assume it's still more of a context dependent and selective kind of libido. Anecdotally, I've had a sexual experience at a very young age and it definitely affected me quite a bit, made me ashamed of my desires. For example, I remember seeing anything romantic or like a kissing scene in a movie ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:52 AM
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Is something not being displayed for me or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:16 AM
2

I miss Systematicdissonance (if that was her name)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:59 AM
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But when it comes to certain differences, I think NOT calling it natural is the more "out there" take. Like when people talk about how women are similarly horny than men deep down it just doesn't show yet. Like, have fun in 500 years then, but this is meaningless to me right now, like I have no reason to believe it. It's like when a Christian is telling an atheist "look at those trees, those birds! Of course God exist, how could any of this exist otherwise?" On the flip side, I don't know about …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:58 AM
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Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:52 AM

I genuinely don't know if women are capable of comprehending how brutal it feels to be reminded of the fact that women get like 500 times the matches on apps. How incredibly fucking real that number is, and yes it's emblematic of the heterosexual dynamic, period. There is just nothing comparable to something like this I could even attempt to draw a parallel to. It's fucking insane, it's drastic, it's wild. Like, imagine if the wage gap debate was not about 0.x percentages but like men making 500…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:18 PM
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Heartfelt story about a man helping a woman who had an issue with her car and was in tears. The gender swapped version of this would result in a climate change hazard, the area would get dryer than the sahara desert. That's hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:53 PM

Yes, I feel uncomfortable with women due to the majority of them not having empathy or sure, validation if you will, but I'm also into them, that's why it feels like a big issue that actively bothers me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:19 PM

Are you into men? Would you date a man who said women are hysterical about the whole sexual harassment thing and that it doesn't happen more to them than it does to men? What if 99% of men thought that? Would you be celibate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:57 AM

I think most people understand that the problem is feeling undesirable Yea and that's exactly like "all lives matter". I think there is faaaaaaaaaar more gendered baggage attached to it than a generic genderless statement like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:48 AM

People have empathy for an individual who happens to be lonely, regardless of gender (more so for women realistically). Very few people have empathy for example the feeling of gut-punch when as a guy you are reminded that women get several hundred times the matches on a dating app compared to you and that they don't have to be anywhere near as charming or confident to get some experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:25 AM

Beyond just outright disagreeing, I think it's also that different people have different priorities in life. What someone sees a tool is a goal for another. What is difficult for one is a no-brain chore thing for the other to support themselves. In the few rare cases I felt like i found a woman who has a great deal of understanding for some of this stuff, I felt satisfied, not hollow. I mean it's not like that feeling lasted forever, but nothing does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:26 PM
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The truth is uncomfy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:14 PM

You yourself defined it as Empathy is the ability to understand how someone else feels and why I'm not redefining it, I'm just saying. Regardless of who is "right", you can't expect someone to feel like you and the world has empathy for him if he does not feel understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:08 PM

Yea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:22 PM

I mean I would give the same answer, it just matters. It is true that different people have different priorities in life. I think i'm just the kind of person who cares for smething like this. Like, I don't know what else to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:21 PM

I'm asking for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:10 PM

I think the key is to just feel like you are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:09 PM

"Wider society" is not capable of empathy. "Women" as a group are not capable of empathy. But there are tendencies... homosexuals are stoned in certain cultures to this day while can have a christian wedding in other places. OK, you are literally describing validation and calling it empathy. My point is that beyond a certain point these things ARE about disagreements. If you have empathy for someone who you disagree with on the very nature of their suffering, you see someone who does not underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:03 PM

Becasue they are the gender that is supposed to date mine in heterosexual dating + I feel like they are lacking in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:56 PM

Not without pushback, I would push back against a ton of stuff other men say myself. I ask for the consideration that women play their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:48 PM

We agree you can feel lonely because of your dating issues and things about options etc Who is "we"? Because ime a LOT of people does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:46 PM

For example "male loneliness epidemic" imo is fair to say even if everyone is getting lonelier, because men seem the most affected. And that is also related to a general sense of unwantedness coming partly from our biological reality combined with dating dynamics, where men are the far less wanted gender, in some lights disproportionately so. And then this is widely cosndiered "incel bullshit", with which you all either agree with, OR somehow don't think anyone worth listening to would say such …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:26 PM

Not sure. If you mean I would have no sex or intimacy going forward, then on some level no, I wouldn't be satisfied. But that's fine, managable. I really think widespread empathy would matter a great deal to me though. It is the endpoint either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:15 PM

I do not think that's possible, it would be too drastic of an internal difference in people for it to not change things some ways. But hypothetically, I personally would be happier, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:08 PM

Look, I don't agree with every other men all the time. I do think women play their part in these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:03 PM

I mean when men "cry for a lack of empathy". It's a cliche here to say "those guys don't want empathy, just sex." You can only have true empathy for men feeling like some of their issues are dismissed and uncared for if you see that being true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:55 PM

I think no woman would feel like a man has empathy for them for the orgasm gap if that man does not belive women can orgasm. Like, I legitimately think that's impossible, or close to it. I mean it's an oximoron. And I would say caring for someone who feels a lack of empathy and care... when you don't think they have a lack of empathy or care is in that same ballpark. So yea, it's both. Sure. On some level, men want validation, it's just that these go hand in hand. Empathy is the ability to under…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:51 PM
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Ask feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:05 PM

I don't belive a word you say, man. Nothing, no amount of this would be "enough to note" for you, be it reddit, youtube, my own post or someone else's video, whether it's massively watched (something something algorhitm) or not. You are completely and utterly unfazed, because you don't care, I think it's something you decided emotionally. No progressive documentaries are made about this, like there was about redpill. Nobody who isn't genuinely insane ever calls it out. If I videotaped a conversa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:22 PM

I accuse you of lying becasue you belive that this type of predictable reaction that I have seen a million times, and which in this video was posted by a large variety of women independently as a reply, is "not real and don't worry about it." No, I have no empathy Next time just leave it at that, spares us pointless arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:08 PM

And can you explain to me how a big variety of different women each individually posting their replies to this viedo en masse in this specific tone (which is predictably the tone in lefty spaces, as I have shown you in our last argument) is "ragebait"? Like what the fuck does that even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:01 PM
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crazy shit exists on the internet. do you think its actually widespread? I know for a fact it's actually widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:54 PM

I have a decade of experience seeking out and trying to talk to leftist people on a variety of different corners of the internet from reddit to youtube comment sections about dating difficulties of men. You saying "this is just ragebait" is like if someone told you that mysoginy doesn't really exist and it's just ragebait. Y'all have absolutely no clue whatsoever about the empathy men lack for these issues, and you are showing it right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:52 PM

Lie more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:43 PM
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"Men don't want empathy, if I expres my empathy it's not enough they are still sad, they want sex given to them." Meanwhile the normie world's unadulatrated fucking hatred for loser, pathetic disgusting fucking men, which I guarantee you actually just outright agree with otherwise you would be able to comprehend it with your braincells:
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:42 PM

https://youtu.be/qVKvEaokV6I?si=X-UaCxEjDL-XqgwF What I hate most about this subreddit is the bluepill side's genuine inability to comprehend that this stuff exists, is widespread, is outright misandristic, and is exactly the type of shit men talk about when they lament lack of empathy. You guys not seeing this is part of having no empathy, actually. (Gigacringe)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:30 PM
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https://youtu.be/qVKvEaokV6I?si=X-UaCxEjDL-XqgwF I want "normal people" to recognize this and say it's not okay. Until then, I refuse to belive it isn't the normie, default leftist/feminist/women's answer to men's dating issues. Gaslighting incoming...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:40 PM

Every single woman who ever existed and who ever will: no, us getting more interest and not having to initiate is not an advantage, we are incredibly fed up with men wanting our bodies and sex, we don't want this we don't want this we don't want this. Also women: huh? No, men aren't shamed for their sexuality why would you be shy wtf (Gigacringe)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:14 AM

I think you kind of did, but regardless, I would go one step further and say that nurturing these attitudes in society is a good idea, it just has to be done "gently".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:49 AM

You can't clearly and rationally define when and why should "doing things cause at least momentarily feeling like a sweetheart" come up either. I'm not convinced.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:43 AM

I don't know. What I do know is that I do not find the idea of "helping" someone who is let's say shy about intimacy to be repulsive and I most definitely don't feel like "it shouldn't exist". Yes, attraction is always gonna be about who you are drawn to which you can't exactly decide on, but the way OP puts it is way too black and white for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:39 AM

Do you think this applies to every "free" aspect of life? No fairness in friendship, in how much people can make their own voice heard in a friendgroup, even in who gets promnoted at work? If a reserved someone is kind of exluded in a group and another person makes an effort to incldue them, is that like... foolish? And why? Why shouldn't fairness be considered in sexuality? I think feminists were totally right to talk about expectations pushed on women, beauty standards, femininity, so on. I re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:31 AM
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look at how butthurt a lot of dudes get imagining that a woman had more animal desire for someone in her past than she does with him. A lot of the replies said this, but I would argue that in practice, "desiring him" and "desiring his desire" are hard to distinguish. If there is truth to women working like this, then "animal desire" would just exist within that inner mechanism. In some sense, it wouldn't be that different from really being into someone's body, for example. It's just about emphas…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:11 AM

I appreciate the connection you made, even if I think neither porn nor dark romance is an overall negative
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:26 PM

About this "men give better advice to men than women about what women want" thing, I definitely don't see this as a hard rule, and women's perspective is intersting. But there is something to it, and imo that's partly because to a degree, women don't really know what they want, or at least less so comapred to men. And I don't mean that in a "cause they are stupid" way. It's just that women like something extra, almost like they need to be surprised or a little bit even taken off guard. "Men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:54 PM
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For men, I think it's generally attached to a lot of male typical insecurities and is a masochistic thing. Not for all men though, but that's the tendency. Generally, women are mainly afraid of being overpowered or used, while men are mainly afraid of not being worthy of desirable. BDSM tends to look different between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:55 AM
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My honest guess is like 500 cuckolds for 1 cuckquean, this fetish is far more common in men. But then there are a lot of submissive leaning women who are drawn to confidence, so setups like these may be more common than I think, but I would assume that's more so cause the guy wants it and the woman is down to please him any way. But idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:31 AM
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How is it hot? I'm just asking out of genuine curiosity. It IS rare for women to be into this, from what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:15 AM
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A good way to put it. Imo pics are underrated tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:24 PM
1

Not nearly enough paths but all the time in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:43 PM
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q4m: you ever jrk to pics, or videos only?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:27 PM
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If women know everything sooooooo much better than men, then go ahead, tell us. Where should a man stick his penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:15 PM
1

You've got me there
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:05 PM
1

Malegaze day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:31 PM

Criticising basic gender critical frameworks for not giving a crap about these things or not even seeing them as gender roles is very simple, logical and giga-based. What even is your argument here? "No, cause that stuff is cool, don't deconstruct that!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:42 PM
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I was making an unconditional take on a hot topic, which I knew I did. It is the equivalent of someone here making a post titled "the redpill concept of AF BB is wrong because xy". Yes, part of my premise is that especiually women arouind spaces like reddit tend not to get these things about men. Casue that's what I see. Not like any of the replies even tried to disagree with that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:50 PM
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In your post you suggest men need sex more, but you also say being expected to take initiative is a problem I just state that being the more eager sex means men are more tortured by lack of intimacy, and then that is made worse by men being the sex that gets much less attention and has to initiate. That's mainly a problem for men who are not that extrioverted and connection-making by nature, ok. But that's all I'm saying, that this whole set up is very understandable to be unhappy with. You fram…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:27 PM

THIS is literally my issue. It's not so much "seeing myself as a victim", it's seeing hatred that I consider to be unjust. It's being sure in my views, and finding the truth important. Yes, you can somewhat get around this by walking around the ideological eggshels just the right way, and I have succeeded in doing that before I would say. But right now, I want to be like "come the fuck on, we are all seeing this, right?" If you dislike mysoginy or trumpism, do you see yourself a "victim"? I just…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:02 PM

like your post there already frames you as the victim of other people defining your experience. Which then you are basically participating in, by calling my post weird and highlighting how my point is something most people find hard to stomach, as well as making excuses for the guy calling me a disgusting incel. My entire point right now is that yes, I am in the receiving end of being seen unjustly by masses of people. Obviously you aren't gonna agree if you fundamentally disagree with me. I'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:42 PM

That's not only a feature of reddit. Mainstream progressivism is just a generic term with not a strict definition which I like to use. It's just your basic, predictable feminist-influenced leftist outlook. Folks with a basic understanding of egalitarianism and a hate for people who think the least bit essentialistic (eg biological differences between women and men play into things), and as you said with a hatred of people who remind them of incels. And this is the default attitude that you can p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:27 PM

Explain your hatred of me please.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:02 PM

I went to a private school that was fairly small, and through most of it my classes were like 90% male. At one point, three or so girls transferred schools at once, and I was pretty sure it was in big part due to the utter neanderthal behaviour of the boys. Can't blame them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:02 PM

https://np.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1ou5h2k/i_dont_think_women_can_really_define_how/ Just a small post on an apolitical subreddit where people can just post whatever (so I don't think it's a specific echo chamber or my "ragebait algorithm", just a lefty space because reddit itself is mostly lefty). Top comment: Jesus this sub is such an incel cesspool lately and it makes me sick. You guys need therapy or the society is lost as we know it I wanted to make a full post about this but somehow it …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:40 PM
1

OLD is full of bad dates and awkwardness but you only need to find one great person to make it all worth it. Where is this energy when men wish they also got several hundred matches in a few days and think that women have a significant advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:48 AM

I am very attached to my libido and gooning over women, so I guess I would rather not. I would love to try if it was temporary tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 04:59 PM

He got intimidated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:33 PM
1

I personally get along with more laid back and slightly shy people, and people who struggle fitting in at least a little bit. Many of my favorite people through my life have been like that. A healthy dose of "life sucks" is honestly great too. I value humbleness and a chill lowkey attitude. There are sooooooo many traits I value higher than outwardly confidence. I would get along very well with another homebody, just someone who's interests and passions are more solo, who lives in their own worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:31 PM
5

Everyone likes confidence. Not just women. Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:18 PM
5

Ok, then what? Isn't it cringe?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:15 PM

Who? Most bluepillers? Or cuckolds, specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:48 PM

I'm talking about actual literal cucks being cucks while holding "bluepill" (mainstream progressive) beliefs still.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:41 PM

The dissonance is people quite literally living in relationships that the majority of the time emphasize male pecking order, safe reliability vs visceral animalistic sexual passion, even often unveils penis size preferences, and is almost always thick with feelings of male sexual inadequacy. And then saying "noooooooo sexless loser males are losers and wrong about everything, noooooo don't lump us together with them."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:51 PM
1

For sure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:57 AM

Yea, hard disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:52 AM

There is a difference between thinking someone is insecure because he consumed bad podcasters and developed incorrect views on the world vs thinking that women being the fundamentally pickier sex with more of a responsive desire that reacts to certain charming-masculine characteristics results in very understandable insecurities in men akin to how women feel about size difference and pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:56 AM

Yes, and this is what I was talking about and what I attempted to discuss in such a subreddit. Collective unconscious. Underlying heterosexual dynamics. I'm not redpill because I disagree with common conclusions drawn by those guys. But the denial I ran into IS about the underlying stuff, IF you adress it very directly and draw a connection. "Oh hey, even outside this context many men are insecure about not being able to invoke a visceral desire in their female partners, or even worry about peni…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:47 AM

Cringe warning. As someone who is interested in cuckolding, I think I might have found the biggest case of leftist cognitive dissonance. Cause the thing is, this kink is basically GIGA redpill for the majority of people actually practicing it, at least it VERY much looks that way. But then the folks who discuss it, at least here on reddit, people who practice and talk about shit that your average bluepiller would internally die from hearing about, still turn out to be the male feminist normie PC…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:06 AM
1

Would be fun to see a timeline of most frequent ppd posters per month, going back to the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:53 PM
1

nice
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:43 PM
1

I worked at a festival when I was like 17. First real job, in a hospital, was at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:33 PM
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The issue is, most women refuse to see themselves as relative and distinctly different from men, and barely even make any claims about how women work aside from "every woman is different" or "we are just normal people, like you, maybe see us as such." Every man feels the difference. We can resonate with ideas of a pizza delivery guy randomly getting his cock sucked by a hot client and going like "yay, free sex". Women clearly work drastically differently, so they have to be definable as a group …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:08 PM
2

Hottake: atheists ARE making an affirmative claim, which is something like "the universe is a lifeless, mechanical thing".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:46 AM

Compared to female characters in content made for a male audience, women in women's art or irl feel more "earthly". It's hard to put it into words but earthly feels fitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:31 PM

I have that fetish, but I consider that to be at least a little bit bi-curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:49 PM

For those who think there is nothing gay about being with preop trans women cause trans women are women, then are just penises in a vacuum not gay? Is sucking someone off through a glory hole not gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:16 PM
2

How about being a simp with a spine and your own opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:47 AM
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Yea and I feel like women literally have the opposite bias as already somewhat highlighted in your comment, where you present redflags in women as very obvious and easy to dodge.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:42 PM
1

Leftist gender ideology clearly stating that men being motivated by sex is despicable and misogynistic is also what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:24 AM
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Men also get clowned on for the same thing. "I am adult virgin but I make good money and have a college degree, my own place..." "If you think that's all that matters, maybe you are autistic?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:49 AM
1

Not really, it's fairly understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:46 AM
1

Just comment acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:00 PM
1

hmm
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:59 PM
1

It's called "Walk My World", only in Budapest, Hungary, at least for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:12 PM
2

I was at an immersive circus show 2 days ago, it was honestly amazing, such a unique experience. We are actually gonna go back next week and watch it again. It's set in like a big warehouse building, many rooms, stairs, balconies, corridors, there is like a labyrinth area that you can see from above as well. Lots of decoration, objects, notes, almost feels like a video game where you can piece together some lore from the environment. It was ancient Greece/Trojan war themed but also mixed with li…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:27 AM
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I have no idea how it would be to watch male-gazy sexual content without an intense desire for women's physical form. And there is so much lighter stuff too, from character designs in games or anime to ads.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:18 AM
2

You talk about dating like it's not pleasant too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:05 AM
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You could say that they want women's bodies, but not really Men are massive consumers of pornography and visual sexualization of women, so am I, so this one feels very wrong. Also, is there that much of a visible difference between sexuality focusing on different aspects of ours? Feeling desired is ultimately just about someone else being drawn to us and genuinely wanting to be with us, I think that stands either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:04 AM
1

Teach me porn, teacher! Aw yea!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:32 AM
1

"lizing"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:27 PM

Yea, the premise of my argument is that men don't just struggle due to personal shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:51 PM

Women don't need to deliberately conspire agaisnt me for me to externalize some things onto them, the same way polar bears don't have to conspire against you for you to externalize your fear of them. I didn't do anything to you either but i'm an active consumer of pornography and I went to an escort once (legal where i'm from), and since you are a woman, chances are these things make you feel discomfort and chances are you externalize at least some of it and don't just think of it as something y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:53 PM

Are men the ultimate arbiters of how "things" should be "seen"? No, are women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:40 PM

By being pickier than men, and valuing some things kind of disproportionately compared to how men see things, like a type of confidence, or finding playing video games off-putting, etc. A man who feels inadequate to live up to what women want can still understand that he can be a pretty all right bloke, and it does not mean his character is rotten, he just likely has very specific flaws that matter a ton for his gender in dating, but everyone has some flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:47 PM

Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:35 PM

Define beneficial. Who else would I blame for women's tendencies than themselves? Like, who do you think women "blame" for massive widespread porn? Could it be men? And is that blaming beneficial for those women? They don't even think about whether it's beneficial or not, they feel a discomfort and they externalize it (because it is an external thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:14 PM

It's a matter of blame because the want is a given (we are talking about heterosexual men) but fulfilment is out of reach, which is causing discomfort. By "blame", I mean defining the cause of said dicomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:11 PM

But no amount of playing it will change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:58 AM

Instead acknowledge and accept the flaws and limitations of others So... externalize blame. then forgive them ...without hatred. I don't think you are talking about something all that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:56 AM

I'm not talking about blaming another person for your own shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:54 AM
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Women are trying to trick me, man, put smoke into my freakin head and shit, man. They make me ANGRY, man! Get out of me head!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:12 PM

You can surely see though that the purplepill is even less of a concrete thing, it is by far the most neutral combination of colors and beliefs you can chose, it can mean anything from a blue-ish light purple to almost red, meaning you can have X redpill belief but not Y or vice-versa. So at the end of the day, the burden of proof is still on you imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:59 AM
1

Do you think organising a grassroots movement against central power is easier or harder while civillians are being attacked by the exact enemies that central power has positioned itself against? There were some enormous nationwide protests against this very same central power which replied by massacring their own people, making things look grim and hopeless. Many Iranians' last hope was foreign interference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:18 PM
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Probably. It could also be the case that this "stone gays and sinful women to death" levels of stubborn unadulterated hatred is actually genuinely difficult to deal with and if left to their own devices would have been catastrophic already (not to mention the ton of misinformation going around about the history of Israel). I don't have all the answers. I most certainly don't think that the western elite is a bunch of good moral people, but even just from a point of view of seeing the Iranian pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:27 PM
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North Korea had completed nukes for a while, they are in a perpetual stalemate with the rest of the world. If Trump fucked up, he fucked up. I think preventing the most cartoonishly evil islam extremists from developing nukes is still a good call.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:47 AM
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Ok the leftist reaction to the Iran situation is regarded. It's a fucking obscenely evil dictatorship that spent the last months slaughtering their own people as a reply to massive protests, they are quite literally as sexist and anti-progressive as they come, and they ARE hellbent on developing nuclear weapons. They are now randomly bombing everyone in their vicinity apparently like rabid dogs. Immediate coverage: Iranian school was bombed by evil jews. Source: the psychopathic dictator regime …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:38 AM
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I'm not conservative and for the most part I don't like them much, and I don't fantasize about "female distribution system". I was just reacting to RedSand's "if this was an issue we would have heard it by now" by bringing up common lamentations that imo DO touch on this underlying thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:02 AM
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Have you ever had sex, and did you see your partners as human beings? A "successful date" for a man (and I would assume for any gender) is one that leads to some sort of intimacy and mutual sexual/romantic interest. Whether he is treated as a human being is a different matter, okay, but an adult virgin sure as hell never experienced a woman he dated "caring about him, having a genuine interest in him, and wanting to make him feel good", which is often what women refer to when they say "treat me …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:36 AM
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Not necessarily. I mean, where is the line? If a guy gets a few matches that engage with him in a very disinterested manner before ghosting, there is already active interaction. Maybe he went on a first date too once or twice. It could mean just ultimately never being chosen as an intimate partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:20 AM
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Okay, the context is different and I think a term like this does come up more intuitively from women's position as they tend to be the more passive side who experience the early dating phase almost "happening to them", and it's also just not "male typical lingo". But my point is that the core of this lamentation is not that different. "I struggle to get to the point of experiencing intimacy with a woman and I don't get why" is something you have surely seen. I have, plenty of times. I think the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 11:12 AM
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Okay, so when do you bring this stuff up here? You are not here to date men, I assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:51 AM
1

I guess "better" is subjective, ha
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:51 PM
1

6/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:36 PM
1

6/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:12 PM
1

2/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:04 PM
3

9/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:04 PM

5/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:26 PM

9/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:25 PM

2/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:24 PM

9/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:23 PM

Without knowing more details I'll say that's a 7/10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:47 AM

Who has the shittiest backstory here? Share your shitty backstory and I'll rate it on a scale of 1-10.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:30 AM

Could be your behaviour. I would imagine a woman who is very open to casual could come across as a unicorn, then again allegedly a lot of people are into casual on apps. Still could be a kind of bluntness or something. (Just guessing).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:28 AM

And there is virtually no woman here (or anywhere) who think any kind kind negative generalizations about women are valid, ever. I would rather meet a succubus in the forest. Think about that for a moment. Take a good look at yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:27 PM

Sure men get triggered too but I saw much more "women's fear is irrational, they watch too much true crime videos, this is bullshit" than "I'll let you know that I am very gentle and supportive with my GF, so if a woman called me a bear I would be hurt. Maybe look for normal men who treat you well..."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:57 PM

Women are ridiculously bad at not taking generalizations about their gender personally. Every little thing is met with an automatic personal anecdote, how that doesn't apply to them, so it's offensive and sexist. Like, women automatically imagine general complaints being said literally to them personally. Women being unfairly off-put by a man crying? Never! Just what kind of heartless harpy you think I am, you woman-hater? When my husband's dad died, he cried and he is still my husband, so... In…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:31 PM

I though you were gone
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:19 PM
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Why not? Equality is not the same as them having power over a man. It's essentially "I want someone very cool and confident with great agency" and "I also want to be cool like that actually" combined and pushed to the most optimal extreme. I think women could have it in them to enjoy power over men, I think in practice the vast majority are not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:55 PM

Interestingly, very few (if any) women seem to find having power over a man sexy while the opposite is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:19 PM
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You did not say all men, but you did generalize and mush thigns together imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:06 PM
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For example I would think that the overlap between men who want women to serve them domestically and those who use terms like "decosntructing gender roles" is not that big.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:53 PM
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You do the same thing here that many women complain about, making these generalizations of a whole gender and mushing a lot of thigns together that probably different men say. I just wanna highlight this one, casue I don't think I have ever seen a man say this: They don't want to make her feel sexy. Anyway, I think deconstructing gender roles would mean that a wider range of behavioural traits would be seen as attractive, yes, and I can't really see how that wouldn't be the case. The degree of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:39 PM

I'm just tying to ask a simple hypothetical here but I guess it's too broad of a question for you to have an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:31 AM

So you don't really lean either way and have a balanced general outlook? Even if someone said "people/society sucks"? Like, without knowing anything about this person, do you think it's unlikely you would find them likeable and/or a good person? Or is it still about 50-50?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:18 AM

What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:07 AM
1

Because being good wears on you in this rotten world and alienates you. When you grow up seeing the entire class mocking that one lame kid unjustly, how can you be a confident social person if you feel bad for that kid? Like, with whom? This is a generalisation, but imo yes, genuinely good people are more likely to be reserved and a bit of an "outsider" who struggles to fit in. That comes down to whether you think the world is a good place by default and if people are good by default. I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:35 AM
2

"Oinkmage was here"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 12:21 PM
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I mean realistically it surely would have. But anyway, if I have to interact with another person in any capacity, I am aware that it's a whole being, it's never like an "empty" experience to be around individual humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:53 PM
1

I don't know, there are asshole man out there for sure, but do they not have desire for whoever they pick? I have a hard time seeing the difference in what you are talking about. Like, I don't think attraction is somehow fundamentally different for someone who is kind of a shitty person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:47 PM
1

I don't know. "Feelings" is very subjective. If you specifically mean a deep understanding and familiarity that takes time to develop and then those kinds of feelings that can only happen then, or even an intense desire to go in that direction with someone, then sure. If it's like a stranger or someone I don't know well, that's not gonna be like that. But even then, their mannerism, the way they move and carry themselves, their voice, etc. These things are still them and everyone is unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:36 PM
1

Come on now, people even talk about sex in this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:31 PM
2

Define "meaningless". Idk, I would have sex with every woman I see attractive if it was up to me and if it was extremely easy, but it would always mean something to me. Even masturbation and gooning is meaningful. It's good to appreciate universal beauty as opposed to just one person. In practice it would always be a mix of both though. But yea, when I'm gooning, I'm deeply appreciating one half of our species - or ok, less than that cause old and fat women and children exist, sure. But you get …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:02 PM
4

Mordor...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:54 AM
1

Have you met her i person already?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:36 AM
1

I didn't say it's all height.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:13 PM

Can't see the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:28 PM

Men can compensate for one generally undesirable trait with another. Maybe you are very extroverted and socially active and confident in yourself. Doesn't change my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:25 PM

What if I told you that my mother was a SAHM who did less housework than my sole provider dad and never cooked while my dad did sometimes? What if I told you I personally know of more cases of domestic abuse done by women than vice-versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:22 PM

One thing that really makes me sceptical of women in these gender discourses is the absolute denial and dismissal of height preferences. Like, if we can't even admit that for the vast majority of women, a guy being shorter than them is at least a bit of an ick (which it fucking is, I'm sorry), I'm not gonna feel like women are the least bit reliable in judging stuff like general shittyness and not-nice women specific trends in heterosexual dating. And yea, that's exactly how it is for the most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:13 PM
1

Oh jeez
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:01 PM
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It's a feeling of being in a position of having to entertain and feeling like that's dehumanizing. The overwhelming onus being on you to drive the initial conversation, to stand out, to impress, while she is giving one-liner answers and acts like a bored aristocrat. Yes, I'm sure sometimes men use the term unjustly, but that's it. I do not have chat logs of a specific interaction but I think the concept is pretty straightforward. And a woman criticizing men not finding dating fun is so eyeroll-i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:52 PM
3

What does your husbnad think? I personally don't feel comfortable with the opposite gender beacuse 99% of them feel utterly incapable of empathy for dating related pain-points men tend to ahve and which I can't see any other way than valid anymore. Then again I'm a weirdo who thinks too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:19 PM
1

I would fear really bad if a woman felt threatened by me and like she has to fake enthusiasm so I don't hit her or something. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:13 PM
1

Let me demosntarte. So you are imagining a complete bland slob of a person who bores you - well excuse me, that's insulting and misandrist. It sounds like maybe you did not put any effiort into actually learning about this person, you are literally saying you are not interested in him at all, like what the actual fuck, why are you even there? There you go. You are quite literally turning this around, simply because you are disregarding the idea that shallow entiteld women exist, essentially. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:11 PM
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But then the equiavalent would be women complaining about the orgasm gap and men saying that they don't like "that attitude" of women and that sex is meant tio be fun. Like... what? I get your logic, I think it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:57 PM
2

Okay, sure. I don't really get why you think that's a good comparison though cause that's just a pretty straighfrorward unfortunate situation. Or is there a term of lamentation often used by women which men interpret as them not enjoying sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:39 PM
-2

Okay, good luck avoiding rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:31 PM
2

She said when you say you feel like a dancing monkey, it implies the woman is sitting there as a superior judge, demanding tricks, dehumanizing you. Most women are not sitting on a throne waiting to be impressed. We are just deciding if we feel safe, attracted, and emotionally aligned. It seems to me like she disagrees with the term having real merit, does she not? What am I misinterpreting?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:09 PM
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The phrase to begin with is literally a way for men to express something like that, which in my view obviously has a lot of genderedness to it in the dating context due to universal fucking gender roles. Turning this around to be about ME making women feel a certain way when I'm trying to express a discomfort of mine is like peak fucking "men can open up emotionally" stuff. You get how incredibly frustrating that would be? To feel like I was dismissed and treated like a peasant and then getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:48 PM
1

I don't know. I envy women for being the more desirable gender getting several hundred times the attention and having to be a fraction of the degree of confident and outgoing and charming as I have to be, and I'm sorry that I just made you projectile vomit with that sentence. Good luck avoiding rape and wife-beaters, oh and say hello to your husband for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:27 PM
2

I just disagree with you, I think you are pushing the blame on me for other people's behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:12 PM
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it’s not that women don’t believe men feel this way Yes, it's that women think men feel this way becasue they are fools, delusional sexists who are not fun to be around, so the feeling is there for wrong reasons, it's irrational. And that's a dismissive reaction that shows a fundamental disagreement over the merit of this grievance of men, the actual real prevalence of it - you (as in the majority of women) do not see it as a real, valid common experience and a cultural phenomenon that's worth n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:12 PM
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I disagree with her. She takes offense at the term and considers it demeaning, I think that's becasue she is unable to see men's viewpoint or accept that women aren't parfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:59 PM
2

"I think you are asking for it the way you behave"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:28 PM
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However in the context of how men here use it, they resent the entire aspect of dating and romance rituals. You do realize that if I asked women "do you like your gender role as the pursued sex in heterosexual dating?" the vast majority of them would laugh in my face, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:49 PM
3

And I think that is what some women are reacting to when they push back on that phrase. Because when you say you feel like a dancing monkey, it implies the woman is sitting there as a superior judge, demanding tricks, dehumanizing you. Most women are not sitting on a throne waiting to be impressed. We are just deciding if we feel safe, attracted, and emotionally aligned. Seems to me like you belive men to be wrong in the head and woman-hating for feeling like they have to be jesters, or at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:44 PM
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Yea yea and women should not feel like they are subjugated prey, they should not constantly worry for their safety, they should not be in phisical pain during sex, nor should they fake orgasms. They should be in mutually enjoyed relationships fueled by passion and trust, they should blah blah blah. I am only saing this becasue I am enlightened. It's just that you don't really think that dating women as men is uniquely hard, you don't believe a word men say about stuff like that, and that allows …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:27 PM
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about interacting with them Interacting with who? You, personally? I'm sorry but I don't know you. It's a general term, and all I'm saying is that I've been there, I get it. Yes, I do understand why it can be hurtful. But I also understand why "men see women as a piece of meat" can feel hurtful and discouraging for men, you know, the gender that still has to initiate and express interest first the majority of the time. Tough times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:50 PM
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I used a dating app once for 3 days, and I reached out to a woman I knew from school once and she was welcoming to having a chat, in which she then barely participated from the get-go. It's not "so much energy", it's just so far close to 100% of my experience. And so when I hear the term, I go "Oh I get it, I wouldn't be surprised if men commonly feel that way, especially online, it also kind of lines up with the basic heterosexual courting dynamic where men have to impress".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:44 PM
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I don't do it. I want to udnersatnd why women collecitvely despise me for having felt that way and being able to relate to men who say the term, feeling like "yeah, that describes something I know".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:38 PM
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It's a feeling of being in a position of having to entertain and feeling like that's dehumanizing. The overwhelming onus being on you to drive the initial conversation, to stand out, to impress, while she is giving one-liner answers and acts like a bored aristocrat. Yes, I'm sure sometimes men use the term unjustly, but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:31 PM
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Casue dating men is famously an amazing time for you and you would never say anything negative about them, you are not sexist, after all... It's a feeling of being in a position of having to entertain and feeling like that's dehumanizing. The overwhelming onus being on you to drive the initial conversation, to stand out, to impress, while she is giving one-liner answers and acts like a bored aristocrat. Yes, I'm sure sometimes men use the term unjustly, but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:23 PM
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Agreed 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:37 PM
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It's so ironic how never-ending nitpicky bluepillers/women are about every single aspect of how men feel disadvantaged and then turn around and collectively agree about "women are only valued for their beauty" levels of exaggerated vague shit like it's an obvious unquestionable fact that goes without saying. Like women don't have friends, family, communities, hobby groups, jobs, caring lovers, husbands, etc etc. Meanwhile "constantly having to initiate and getting a fraction of attention than wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:58 PM
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A lot of the disdain for certain types of women is butthurt bullshit that I don't agree with, but also definitely isn't said by all struggling men. I think tons of lonely men would be okay with some sort of sexual connection with a single mom they see as attractive or a "slut" if it actually came down to it. Because if they phrase it not "there is no chance at all for me" but "i'm not attractive to people I want" the problem stops being huge, and the only reaction is "So what? Everyone has been …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:23 AM

It's hard to say how I would actually feel if I learned about this happening to someone I know tbh. But I'm leaning towards yea, it would be ok if it was an adult woman with a boy. Wouldn't judge her. I'm unsure about the opposite, as I'm not a woman so I just don't know. Girls work differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:47 AM
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