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Fundamentals jackthehat6/r/seduction30/01/26 11:50 AM
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Lifestylejackthehat6/r/seduction26/01/26 09:12 AM
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Wait a minute. Isn’t the whole idea of in person seduction to be able to pull women that would not be possible on OLD? that's the MARKETING lol. If you watch infield from coaches, you will see that they never ever 'convert' a girl who is clearly not into him. They 'seduce' the girls who were open too it (since she liked him). They often try and try with their 'attraction material' (cold reads, teasing etc) but it doesn't happen Seduction is more about smoothly leading girls who are attracted to …
/r/seduction25/07/26 09:04 AM
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same way a girl 'makes' you feel a spark for her
/r/seduction23/07/26 09:57 PM
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this
/r/seduction23/07/26 03:33 PM
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if she's rejected you, you have your answer. You're not her type. Find a new girl. Cold approach is all about approaching and seeing who's into you and who isnt
/r/seduction23/07/26 03:32 PM
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If the answers frighten you, you should cease to ask scary questions!! lol. Why did you ask her that haha
/r/seduction22/07/26 09:11 PM
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Todd is way way overrated. Best of them is Julien. Luke isn't worth mentioning lol
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:38 PM
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If she is not interested, there is nothing to push for. Game is only possible when she is already into you Bingo!
/r/seduction21/07/26 12:13 PM
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the other guy pretty much said it all. A lot of it is in the eyes, how 'bored' she sounds, her body position, good/lack of eye contact etc etc. But he gave quite a thorough answer
/r/seduction20/07/26 05:14 PM
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exactly. A lot of it is micro expression and tonality etc. I can even tell within a split second of when a 'dating coach' approaches a girl whether he will get anywhere with her or not. I should be coaching them to get them to waste less time trying to game girls who arent interetsed lol
/r/seduction20/07/26 05:06 PM
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All of the same day hookups iv had were pretty clear withen 30 seconds with enough experience, you can tell withing like 5 seconds whether there is attraction there or not. Takes experience to get that good
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:42 PM
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Well FLIRTING is essentially the difference between running game and having a normal friendly convo However, it's very optimisic to think any verbals will 'CREATE' attraction. Imagine a girl who couldn't possibly swipe left any faster on you if it was tinder and then you actually bump into her the next day and 'flirt' with her using the same stuff that is taught (like the sexual innuendo below lol). It's not gonna go well!
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:26 PM
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lol, you're looking at it all wrong. It's not that you have game with girls who like you. It seems that way BECAUSE she likes you! Everything works! And it's not that you don't have game when girls aren't attracted to you. It's just that 'game' on a girl who isn't attracted to you isn't gonna help. You can't negotiate attraction, as they say
/r/seduction17/07/26 12:54 PM
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he's just pointing out the important bit most guys miss. I pat him on the back for getting the girl and good on him for having the balls to go for it, but he was getting strong IOI's as he said. She wanted him. It wasn't about the 'opener' or the 'transition' no more than it would be if a really hot female model decided too approach you! It isn't her 'opener' that makes you want to bang that 19 year old 10/10 cheerleader!! lol. It's that you want her. Her friends weren't asking her 'how did you …
/r/seduction17/07/26 08:26 AM
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Someone doesn’t like your common-sense take it's all good. I expect it on this sub lol If I wanted upvotes, i'd just write a post about how 'girls aren't visual!!!' and give some cold read examples or some other insane idea/bro science developed by a pickup coach to make some $$$ haha
/r/seduction16/07/26 12:21 PM
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If a woman is attracted to you she may let that idiocy slide; this is the issue with 'attraction material'. People get fooled by randomness. On occasion, you approach a girl who just likes you, you neg her, and it all goes well, and you say 'the negs work' when in fact, you got her in spite of the 'neg' (or any other little party piece) as opposed to because of it It's why in game, everything works and nothing works. It's why all the 'coaches' disagree so strongly on so much. Why half the people…
/r/seduction16/07/26 07:04 AM
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yes, it's from mystery, and the guys in the show used it (because they'd read his books or seen him say it)
/r/seduction16/07/26 07:01 AM
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all the advice is all the same. Everyone wants their piece of the pie! $$$$ so need to make bigger and bigger claims lol
/r/seduction15/07/26 03:52 PM
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yeah >A few years ago, I unintentionally accomplished an “Online Dating Feat” that I doubt has ever happened before in history. I slept with every race (White, Black, Asian, Latina, Mixed, etc) and every “viable“ age range (20’s, 30’s, 40’s, early 50’s and a 19 year old), all in the same calendar year, all on the first meet-up (Straight to my house), and all without spending a dime. just usual "dating coach" made up stories to try to reel you in lol. Everyone can see past this stuff nowadays, li…
/r/seduction15/07/26 12:36 PM
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Can i use mistery method openners? funny enough, when the book came out, the issue was that every girl would say 'yeah, i've heard this before!' when a guy opened with 'who lies more, men or women?' or ran streawberry fields on her or used a neg off the open. Tyler said that's when he made RSD and took a new direction on 'game' as a whole However, all of them girls would be way out of the game by now. You'll be hitting on their daughters who would never have heard of them so no worry of being fo…
/r/seduction14/07/26 09:22 PM
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How overweight are you. You always need to pass the 'looks test' for you to have a shot at 'gaming'/seducing a girl. You don't need to be a male model, but if she isn't physically attracted, then it's over before it began. But yeah, can't harm to get in great shape.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:36 PM
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I’m talking about those hard to get kinda girls There's guys out there for whom she doesn't play 'hard to get' at all! She chases them! Be one of them guys
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:20 PM
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hit on WAY WAY more girls, and improve your fashion and physique as much as possible. Even if it means roids etc. You'll get laid at some point
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:18 PM
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And what do you mean by I’ll get my answer more or less after saying hi? If she was looking at you because she wants you, she'll be receptive to the approach and it will likely go well. If she didn't even know she was looking at you or was looking at you because you have a stain on your shirt lol, then you will very likely get a way more typical reaction. Her not really talking back or participating at all and showing a lack of interest and the interaction will be over fast
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:58 AM
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approach anyway. You just never know if she's looking at you because she thinks you're hot (so she's gameable), or, as you say, a different reason. May as well find out. You'll get your answer more or less after 'hi'
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:39 AM
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'hey. How's your workout going?' Don't stress the opener or even the after opener. It's about her attraction/interest. You just need to find out where she stands
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:33 AM
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they have a hell of a lot of options, although not usually the guys they want
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:32 AM
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Game /seduction is rarely about flipping women from uninterested to interested.It's about seducing women that are already interested Exactly. Anyone who tells you otherwise is is kidding themselves (or just trying to make some $$$ selling the same material everyone has already read)
/r/seduction13/07/26 07:31 PM
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exactly. What's funny is that infield footage makes it so damn clear that NOBODY is out there banging 'no girls' and 'converting' girls who are 100% not attracted into a lay. The coaches themselves can NOT do this (again, as infield demonstrates). Yet we still have to hear from these annoying salesmen on reddit blabbering about how 'you just need to learn proper game' and try to get you to buy their nonsense (which, by the way is the exact same stuff that's in all the other books that everyone h…
/r/seduction13/07/26 07:29 PM
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exactly! I go indirect out of preference, but I don't kid myself in that it's some cheat code to getting girls who aren't into me lol. All you are really doing is delaying a rejection. End of the day, they both work brilliantly assuming the girl you approach is attracted to you, and they both fail miserably when you open the girls who aren't attracted to you
/r/seduction13/07/26 12:32 PM
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The 'outergame' the books all teach is just stuff people do who are normal and confident. So learning it all doesn't give you an 'edge' over any 'normal' guy (which 95% of men are) and it certainly doesn't 'MAKE' a girl attracted. No more than a girl calling you 'trouble' and teasing you etc will make you want to have sex with her if she looks like Rosanna barr
/r/seduction12/07/26 11:16 AM
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The difference between the two is negligible. Over a large sample size, you will get more or less identical results with either. That's probably why half the coaches promote indirect, and the other half say direct is the only way to go In reality, just with anything in game, everything (within reason) will work when you approach a girl who is attracted to you, and everything will fail to work when you open a girl in person, who would never swipe right on you if it was tinder
/r/seduction12/07/26 10:04 AM
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more or less true. Attraction is a requirement for seduction. Seduction is essentially just 'leading' an attracted girl to sex. It's very easy, tbh. And yes, she knows within a second or two whether she is attracted.
/r/seduction12/07/26 10:01 AM
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People will tell you 'women aren't visual' and stuff on this sub which couldn't be FURTHER from the truth lol. But yes, instant attraction is basically how it works in them situations.
/r/seduction12/07/26 09:59 AM
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It's a numbers game. The stuff you read here and elsewhere isn't that relevant. When you approach a girl who likes you, you likely already have enough 'game' to seal the deal When you approach a girl who doesn't like you, having all of us in your ear through an earpiece feeding you lines wouldn't help with 'that' girl I'ts not uncommon for guys to read a tonne of stuff, go out everynight using the lines and concepts they are taught to 'create attraction' - realise it doesn't actually work...thro…
/r/seduction12/07/26 08:01 AM
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The most complete and Exhaustive book is probably 'the mystery method'. And you can get it for free in audio form on youtube. It covers everything that anyone else can 'teach' you or is that in any other book about 'game'. Not that I like it much and not that i've been remotely impresed with his limited infield (or any other coaches tbh), but that is the answer to your question. And it's free. Do'ont pay anyone for anything. It's all the same concepts and there's lots of 'coaches' who don't even…
/r/seduction11/07/26 04:24 PM
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I think you’re overthinking your approaches. A woman knows within the first few seconds if she’s interested.You simply said hey to the woman, she found you attractive and was open to having a conversation A million times this! Every FR I read and every infield from 'pros' confirms this obvious fact and repeats the same obvious pattern.
/r/seduction11/07/26 02:37 PM
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lmao. Lies haha
/r/seduction10/07/26 07:55 AM
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i've been crushing it with 'What's up?' and a smile
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:51 PM
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this guy gets it
/r/seduction07/07/26 03:01 PM
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either straight away (saves time, saves you trying to game an ungameable girl who isn't attracted to you) although it's not always ideal depending on the environment Otherwise, as soon as you have reached the social hookpoint and there's some back and forth and potential interest
/r/seduction06/07/26 11:43 AM
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Only a fool would try to game a girl who clearly isn' interested lol. It's literally never ever gonna happen. You can't force attraction. I think everyone needs to watch infield footage of the pros who dedicate their lives too it. If 'they' can't do it (and the clearly can't) then neither can a random redittor lol (or the 'coaches' in this thread who either have no infeild or do have infield that proves my point lol) game is always played on the yes girls
/r/seduction05/07/26 09:02 AM
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I don't see any obvious mistakes yes, it's not always (or even often) a 'mistake'. People always come in with hindsight bias explanations that always gets heavily upvoted due to peoples lack of understanding. I could say 'you dropped the ball by not escalating when she was talking about sex', or 'you should have cut the sex talk thread' and both answers would get upvoted. I guarantee lol
/r/seduction04/07/26 09:56 AM
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I done that too a girl at a bar a while back and I got a similar reaction. Sort of grabbed her out of nowhere, pulled her towards me and made out at the bar - She literally told me straight after how hot it was. She was kind of flustered and turned on Obviously I knew that she wanted it before i went in just from her lingering eye contact and how we'd been speaking that night etc. Didn't just pounce lol I think the whole 'ask for consent' thing is maybe an issue with young guys nowadays. They ar…
/r/seduction04/07/26 09:53 AM
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Seduction cannot happen if she isn't attracted to you. So many posts about doing this routine etc. The reality is when she likes you it doesn't matter what you do THIS!!! It's this fact that is the source of so much confusion and arguments in the community etc. It's why all the experts disagree on everything and why guys keep jumping from guru to guru after failing with each 'method'. You simply can't MAKE a girl sexually attracted to you. Cold approach is literally tinder but in person. Not to …
/r/seduction04/07/26 09:48 AM
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It works the same both ways. Check out some youtube vids where a really handsome guy goes on omegle or one of them sites. We are all the same lol
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:13 PM
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there's many different answers based on which guru you follow. That's the difficulty in answering this quesiton. And they all disagree with each other and contradict each other massively (the fact they all disagree with each other should give you a bit of a red flag by the way lol) It's essentially a numbers game. Whatever you are already doing and saying when you appraoch is very likely already perfect, according too at least one 'model' of 'game'
/r/seduction02/07/26 12:36 PM
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This is why at least half of coaches (more like 80% of coaches nowadays) advocate being very direct. To save time. To stop you spending ages trying to do the impossible task of 'making' a girl attracted using the very weak arsenal in the pickup artists tool kit that simply isn't fit for the purpose (pushpull lines, cold reads, teases etc) only to then get rejected anyway because she's not attracted to you So most coaches after realising this tend to more or less treat cold approach like tinder (…
/r/seduction02/07/26 07:01 AM
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game IS good social skills + intent/flirting Needed (usually) to sleep with girls (assuming are attracted to you)
/r/seduction01/07/26 09:25 PM
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correct. If she is a 'no girl', then, as you say, no "game"/pushpull etc will help. People say 'i'm not her type' when they really mean 'she wasn't physically attracted'. It's not about 'he must have blonde hair' or whatever lol
/r/seduction01/07/26 07:30 PM
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well, she needs to think you are hot. Maybe that makes it easier for you to understand. Or she can't be a 'no girl'. Maybe that helps? Like, i'd love to bang both margot robbie and mila kunis, but they look nothing alike. They are different 'types'. When people say 'be her type', they don't mean 'have green eyes' or whatever lol
/r/seduction01/07/26 07:27 PM
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correction - 'game' helps you fuck THE ATTRACTED girls without messing up. Nothing can MAKE a girl wanna fuck you if you're just not her type, as we see with pros in the infields who get rejected a shit load despite their pushpull lines and 'game' lol
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:08 PM
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exactly. That's the unfortunate 'marketing' part of the PUA industry. There's lots of 'coaches' even on this sub who will feed you absolute nonsense so taht you buy their coaching etc, as if they know secret stuff that isn't in the many books and programs that we have all read and tested lol. As you say, it's a numbers game
/r/seduction30/06/26 08:40 PM
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Well, men would LOVE it if that happened, to be honest! (especially is she was pretty)
/r/seduction29/06/26 06:19 PM
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Mostly it's just about spotting tiny micro expressions and just practice at reading peoples face and body language. I really feel I know within maybe 2 seconds of a cold appraoch whether I am wasting my time or not nowadays, due to so many approaches. And I can do the same in infields. When the PUA appraoches her,Usually I know that she isn't interetsed the second he says 'hi'. He then goes on to do his whole thing iwth the cold reads etc and all of his routines, and wastes 5 mins until she says…
/r/seduction29/06/26 06:02 PM
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I feel like this is basically the answer for 99% of the posts here lol "Why did I get rejected, I approached from the right angle and delivered the todd V comliment and used a cold read blabnla" and the replies are like 'Hmm, you should never cold read about her job. Also , sounds like you were still too square on in terms of angle blabala' Just overkill, irrelevant nonsense. The actual answer was that she just wans't interested lol. There was nothing that person could have done that would have …
/r/seduction29/06/26 05:56 PM
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everything and nothing works. That's the thing about cold approach. It's ALL about the girl. You need to approach the girls who want you. Find them. Then everthing will work with that girl (within reason lol) And when you approahc the ones who aren't into you, nothing will work It's a number game
/r/seduction29/06/26 04:11 PM
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"The names Bond....James Bond"
/r/seduction29/06/26 12:58 PM
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Almost entirely looks (face). Just has movie star good looks. He actually isn't even that tall, interestingly enoughl. But the way girls react to seeing him is nuts lol.
/r/seduction28/06/26 06:51 AM
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18-late 20's
/r/seduction27/06/26 07:39 PM
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Personal anecdotes from so called “chads” would be helpful too. My chad friend would get approached approx 4-8 times per night, and maybe 3 of them girls were young and 'beautiful'. And he'd bang them super easy every time. So getting laid with a 6+ (in his case they were 8+) any time he went out if he wanted too
/r/seduction27/06/26 07:15 PM
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Acceptance! lol I was thrown in the deep end from a young age as my best friend was an absolute giga chad who could get just about any girl he wanted. He was my main 'wing' for many years. He didn't even even approach. They approached him (!) and flirted with him. I remember feeling SO sad and frustrated when this would happen, but over the years, you just get thick skin and get used too it. Nobody said life was fair lol
/r/seduction27/06/26 05:31 PM
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nothings changed. There;s just been some confusion. They WANT to be approached!! 100%. They always have. BUT, they want to be approached by the guys who they would swipe right on fast if it was tinder! Guys who are their type They obviously do'nt wana to be approached by someone they do'nt think is attractive
/r/seduction23/06/26 01:13 PM
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the issue is that you tend to need 'game' to bang teh gilrs who think you are hot But 'game' won't help if you are not her type. You can 'pushpull' and hold frame all night And so from that perspective, looks are still way way more important than game. As they say, your looks get you the audtion. That's when game comes in. But without an audition, you ain't getting the gig lol
/r/seduction21/06/26 08:45 PM
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Criteria = opener + one hook (e.g. (1) “I love your look” (2)“how’s your night going” if it leads to nothing => next!). Very nice! That's how it's done
/r/seduction21/06/26 01:02 PM
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bayne is a complete fraud lol. His infield is also as bad as i've seen. Just awkard body language and chat and i'm guessing paid girls
/r/seduction21/06/26 11:19 AM
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if she's not outgoing and talkative (and most importantly, attracted to you) then it's never gonna work with THAT girl, anyway lol
/r/seduction21/06/26 11:10 AM
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flirting/game doesn't 'make' a girl want you i'm afraid. They just think he's hot hence they are crushing on him without him needing to 'do' anything. That's real life.
/r/seduction20/06/26 08:52 PM
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You done nothing wrong, but it's simply a sign of the times A pickup artist was Jailed here in the UK a while back. It was unreal as he literally didn't do anything LEGALLY wrong, but the court and police seemed to hate the fact he was hitting on girls who were way younger than him and seemed to throw the book at him based on their feelings and personal morals Luckily for him, the decision was overturned (and rightly so!! He literally done nothing wrong except cold approach pretty girls OF LEGAL…
/r/seduction20/06/26 08:34 PM
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it's a numbers game. Just gotta keep going until you approach a girl who is attracted to you
/r/seduction20/06/26 03:33 PM
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say 'hi', try to get a convo going, if she is receptive, go for the number. If she's not, try again with whoever catches your eye next
/r/seduction19/06/26 05:43 PM
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I couldn't approach any woman because of my limiting beliefs. I met a beautiful girl on Tinder
/r/seduction19/06/26 05:42 PM
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you mean telling girls you're trying to game that you went backpacking in Western Europe? Is that some routine you've read about?
/r/seduction18/06/26 05:11 PM
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who care about body count. They might all be old obese women. Or maybe he's just a very good looking guy and so it's like playing a computer game on tutorial mode lol (e.g nothing to be impressed with since everyone could do it if they were very good looking) That's why I always think it's not even worth mentioning. True or not. Although, yeah, it's the internet. Everyone has a 150+ lay count and can bench 250 KG on here lol
/r/seduction18/06/26 05:07 PM
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you don't really build it as such. It's just something that exists when 2 people who find each other attractive, talk
/r/seduction18/06/26 12:58 PM
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This has nothing to do with game. what doesn't? you brough it up? If you're a fast talker. You're hurting your game. Only as much as if you are a slow speaker
/r/seduction15/06/26 10:04 PM
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if you want some easy money, you can become a dating coach. You can charge like £150 per hour easily. If you approach enough girls in very high volume, you should be able to have a successful infield to show clients
/r/seduction15/06/26 05:26 PM
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no. that's what the scammy coaches tell their clients it all about lol
/r/seduction15/06/26 05:14 PM
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you're both wrong. Why do guys worry about to tiniest most insignificant things haha If she thinks you're hot, she's not gonna not wanna bang you because you speak slow or fast And if you're NOT her type, speaking very slow or very fast isn't gonna magically make her want you It's just irrelevant. Concentrate on the 'fundamentals'. gym, fashion etc. Your 'looks'. From that point, you meet more gilrs who want you and with 'them' girls, it's very hard to mess up. And when you approach a girl who i…
/r/seduction15/06/26 08:25 AM
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exactly
/r/seduction14/06/26 08:06 AM
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Nobody can 'seduce' any random girl they want if that girl isn't attracted to then. That is the 'coaches' marketing fallacy. (which even their own infield proves is just marketing). Typically if one approaches a girl and she is clearly not at all interested, it was NOT a 'game issue' as coaches want you to think lol. No sequence of words or better body language would have changed the outcome. "game is played on the yes girls" as Mark Manson says. i.e game is basically flirting. You flirt with a …
/r/seduction13/06/26 07:19 PM
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I wasn't talking about online, either. the 'tinder' examples was to demonstrate how attraction is needed. Ihoped that would be obvious that I was still talking about cold approach lol you don't need to be tall (unless she is only attracted to tall guys and not attracted to short guys) She Just needs to think you are 'hot', to her particular tastes. That's why even me as a guy who isn't good looking has had some good success with cold approach, but it required me to approach a LOT of girls. If I …
/r/seduction13/06/26 12:26 PM
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correct. Cold approach is all about screening. It should be obvious within literally seconds whether you are wasting your time or not
/r/seduction13/06/26 11:23 AM
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I mean, he's right lol. If she isn't at all attracted to you (you are not someone she would ever swipe right on if it was tinder) then you are done. You can try pushpull lines etc, but it won't help. Everyone has tested this stuff to death at this point. It 'works' with girls who want you
/r/seduction13/06/26 11:23 AM
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it is actually super simple, as you say The reason it can seem complicated is because people try to work out what they done 'wrong' or what they can change when they get rejected by a girl who simply isn't attracted to you! lol. It can make it seem like quantum physics, when the reality as that, with THAT particular girl, there's no magic verbals or techniques that would have resulted in her being attracted to you It's why the true players know that cold approach is simply a numbers game. When y…
/r/seduction12/06/26 09:36 AM
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blackpill seems to imply that 'game' and personality isn't relevant though? (which I also don't think is true. e.g I think you can be good looking and still be extremely awkward to the point that you can mess up) 'game' is basically about not 'messing up' But yes, attraction is a pre-requisite, and when we are talking about cold approaching strangers, it's essentially tinder but in person. She needs to be attracted to you for you to be able to 'game' her
/r/seduction10/06/26 03:01 PM
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yes. Every player knows that 'game is played on the yes girls'. Absolutely no PUA bangs girls who clearly aren't remotely into him and then magically MAKES her want him with their pushpull etc (as infield footage shows - when they approach girls who are 'no girls' they are never able to turn it around, even with their best pushpull lines adn other 'attraction material') they bang the 'yes girls', just like we all do
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:56 PM
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'Game' does exist. It's basically the ability to flirt and not 'come across' as super shy and weird or whatever. But it's not exactly rocket science lol. People who make out 'game' is some amazing scret 'skill' and that you need to buy their 6 hour course to 'learn' it are just scammers. But you are kind of right in that 'game' is just the tiny bit of icing on the cake. The IMPORTANT bit is her attraction towards you. That isn't really in your control. If you look like someone she would break he…
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:52 PM
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it should be obvious very very fast if she is interetsed/attracted or not. Her body lanaguage, eye contact, is she asking you stuff back, smiling, is she putting any effort at all into her answers (assuming she talks back etc) or are they purposely laconic etc. The more you game, the better and faster you get at knowing whether you are wasting your time or not. At this point, I honestly think I can tell within about 3 seconds lol (mainly from her eyes. They never lie)
/r/seduction08/06/26 09:50 PM
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I'm sure someone like Owen from RSD would be able to open up the exact same women 😉 He gets rejected just as much as the next guy, so it's unlikely
/r/seduction07/06/26 04:46 PM
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If no one gives you IOI's you just approach the girls you want anyway, and accept that your odds are low. (the receptive girls will be the girls who liked you but were too shy to give an IOI, or girls who simply didn't notice you but would be attracted to you) Cold approach is a very low odds game anyway so don't stress it. If you saw the actual approach to lay ratio of your favourite PUA coach, you would be horrified by his success rate lol
/r/seduction07/06/26 03:52 PM
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You don't HAVE to wait for choosing signals. Just know that your odds of success with any particular approach are a million times better if you approach a girl who is checking you out than if you just approach any random girl you think is hot If you watch lots of infield footage, you will realise that when teh coach pulls a girl, 99.9% of the time she either gives him IOI's OR she is instantly very very receptive to his approach. I've pulled girls before who didn't give me IOI's, but in hindsigh…
/r/seduction07/06/26 03:25 PM
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It's not 100% guaranteed (in my thosuands of approaches i've been surprised sometimes and gotten a very hostile reaction after what looked like IOI's) BUT in general, if she's looking at you you need to take it as an IOI (indicator of interest) and shoot your shot Guys who get laid and have a good 'hit rate' with cold approach are guys who know who too approach. Nobody is out there 'seducing' a girl and magically making her attracted. She knows if she is attracted before you say hi. Guys who are…
/r/seduction07/06/26 09:57 AM
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When I approach, I act like attraction is assumed nice game! That's why when a really hot young girl approaches a guy and hits on him, her hit rate is very very high. Almost 100%. Assume attraction. 'I am the prize'. Hold frame. You should be a dating coach and teach ugly guys how to get a hit rate like yours!!
/r/seduction05/06/26 04:30 PM
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of course! Imagine a really good looking dude who is an asshole lol The 'women love a badboy/criminal' etc. He'd probably be more 'successful' with women that just about anyone else haha
/r/seduction04/06/26 07:01 AM
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I don't think there's much wrong with it at all, tbh. Especially if she is being rude, which some girls can be if you are not her type, ESPECIALLY in night game But yeah, it's really no a big deal. You're doing her a favour, really. I'm sure SHE woulda actually rather you just ejected!! it's uncomfortable for a girl to be hit on if she's not attracted to you. They want you to take the hint. Her showing 'disinterest' is that hint
/r/seduction03/06/26 06:51 PM
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most cold approaches in general don't fail because you did something 'wrong'. (approach angle, not enough 'pushpull' lines blabla). They fail because she isn't interested (no attraction - you aren't her type) and/or she's just not looking for someone (and certainly not a random stranger)
/r/seduction02/06/26 06:51 PM
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very very tall, known to be hung like a horse, bad boy (and that's without being super rich and quite good looking etc)
/r/seduction01/06/26 01:15 PM
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only owen has infield out of them names (others are just scammers/writers) and he gets rejected a high percentage of the time. Look at his 'hot seat at home' product to see how a typical night goes for him. Very High rejection rate if he hits on hot young girls But i'm on your side. Game is about banging the girls who want you. That's what you done. That's why i said 'good job'. - But nobody can MAKE a girl want them. hence why we should never really pat ourselves on the back too mcuh for gettin…
/r/seduction01/06/26 12:59 PM
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No nasty rejections or anything that traumatizes me or anything, but it literally feels less effective than the dating apps. 90% say they’re taken, and the other ones just are not interested. cold approach and tinder are basically identical, really. Cold approach is just tinder in person. (if she thinks you are hot and she is single, she will be receptive. Otherwise, she'll 'swipe left' and ignore you lol) And due to the fact you can do tinder from home, over the years, even as someone who has d…
/r/seduction01/06/26 12:22 PM
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giving me this look and starts complimenting me on how good looking I am game over! haha. It wasn't the david deAngelo stuff. It was good looks. All lay reports and all infeild lays are always on strong 'yes girls'. Good job
/r/seduction01/06/26 12:18 PM
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it's 'effective' if you are her type lol
/r/seduction31/05/26 10:22 AM
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correct. It's actually VERY easy. The reason guys make it sound hard is because they are trying to solve an impossible problem (and sell courses adn coaching). How to MAKE a girl want you. There isn't a way lol. As we see in infields from coaches. In reality it is as simple as flirting, showing intent. And then IF she is interested, it all honestly takes care of itself
/r/seduction30/05/26 12:45 PM
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I partly agree. 'Game' does exist. It's basically the ability to flirt and not 'come across' as super shy and weird or whatever. But it's not exactly rocket science lol. People who make out 'game' is some 'skill' and that you need to buy their 6 hour course to 'learn' it are just scammers. But you are kind of right in that 'game' is just the tiny bit of icing on the cake. The IMPORTANT bit is her attraction towards you. That isn't really in your control. If you look like someone she would break …
/r/seduction30/05/26 12:36 PM
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flirting.
/r/seduction30/05/26 12:33 PM
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lol, all the dating coaches here be like 'My friend is 3ft tall and in a wheelchair and 100 years old and he pulls 18 year old models every night' ahahaha
/r/seduction30/05/26 09:32 AM
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Kind of. It's also an absence of 'anti game'. Doing and saying things that she doesn't like 'game' isn't some super power where you 'make' girls attracted to you. That's simply the marketing that the coaches etc sell you. But in reality, when we pull a girl, we are simply escalating and flirting with an attracted, receptive girl. It's really not hard. If you look at infields of pulls, they are NOT doing or saying anything that any other dude doesn't say in interactions with girls. They are just …
/r/seduction28/05/26 12:38 PM
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few other guys came and pulled the same girl. They just put their hands on their waist, girls look back and smile and they kiss. I wanna learn this art very badly it's not an 'art' lol. You just described what they did. Anyone can do it. Whether it's successful or not (as with all game/approaches) depends on whether she is attracted to you or not
/r/seduction27/05/26 07:15 AM
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just get out there. Say hi to girls. Ask them about themselves etc. You will know very very fast (assuming you can read people even a tiny bit) whether it has a chance of going anywhere or not. If it's looking good, pepper in more intent. Make it clear you are attracted to her. Flirt. Talk to her like you would never talk to your male friends If she's giving you one word answers (or none), never asking you a thing, not helping the convo flow at all, she's not interested. Don't waste time on her …
/r/seduction26/05/26 03:17 PM
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Get yourself in an environment where they hang out! from there, it's the same as always. (i.e Shoot your shot! If you are her type it'll work out. If you're not her type, move on to the next one)
/r/seduction26/05/26 03:06 PM
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improved skin, phyhsique and fashion
/r/seduction25/05/26 07:15 AM
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no. They do it to any hot girl. Not waiting for 'IOI's - That's why so many of them get told to F off lol.
/r/seduction24/05/26 09:58 PM
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you're describing how it is for everyone too an extent, but most guys just don't realise There needs to be a mutual attraction for the interaction to go your way. You don't control her attraction. That attraction though, is needed for there to be tension and sexual chemistry etc. It's when your 'game' feels like it's working. When flirting is well received etc. Its why they say 'it's a numbers game' - it's all about going out, approaching girls, and seeing which ones are attracted to you.
/r/seduction24/05/26 06:45 PM
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This varies by country, but what you are describing is very much how it goes in the UK lol. ESPECIALLY a few years ago, but it hasn't changed that much I worked in bars. Heere's how it plays out (pretty much as you witnessed) Guy goes up to girl from behind and puts his hands on her hips and moves with her. She will turn around and check him out. If she thinks he's hot she grinds her ass onto him and then they 'dance', makeout and possibly have sex later on If he's not good looking at all, she w…
/r/seduction24/05/26 04:11 PM
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Game matters more than looks in cold approach other way around. With looks (attraction) you just need to not be super weird etc. But if you are not her physical type at all (zero attraction) your 'game' is just unwanted attention/unwanted flirting
/r/seduction24/05/26 01:55 PM
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yes, but you can also be good at 'having a fun conversation' and flirting, and she will still ,not in a million years, consider you a sexual option as she's not attracted to you lol
/r/seduction24/05/26 01:23 PM
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it's a numbers game lol.
/r/seduction23/05/26 10:17 PM
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Okay enough of this crap. Women absolutely care about looks this. It's so funny taht it's even up for debate lol. Anyone outside of the community of PUA coaches trying ot make some coin would be like 'Well, OBVIOUSLY girls care about and are attracted to good looks. Like, have you been living in a cave?!!!!' lmao
/r/seduction19/05/26 07:46 PM
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exactly. You don't need to be a male model but she must think you are hot (and not all girls have the same 'taste' in what handsome looks like) to get laid from a cold approach But we see in thousands of infields from 'pros' what happens when they appraoch a girl who is clearly not interested. they run all of their best lines and techniques and it doens't 'attract' her in the slightest lol. He just wastes his time (and it was obvious to those who cna read body language that he should have bailed…
/r/seduction19/05/26 02:01 PM
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if he's very very good looking facially, then absolutely! this is literally my wingman. Would destroy every 'PUA' you can think of
/r/seduction19/05/26 07:41 AM
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cold approach for me. And one I met through work
/r/seduction18/05/26 03:57 PM
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most of us are lol. I'm no oil painting but i've hooked up with some extremely pretty young girls (and i of course get rejected and ignored by many). So have pickup dudes like tylerRSD (he also gets rejected and ignored a lot but still gets action). Obviously the better looking you are, the higher number of girls will be open to being gamed (flirted with and escalated on). But not all girls have traditional, conventional taste. Line up 100 girls, 98 of them would think henry cavile is the hot on…
/r/seduction18/05/26 01:15 PM
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indeed. Because pretty much everything works she's attracted and she's receptive to the approach, and nothing works when you are totally not her type and there's zero attraction there and your flirting is unwanted. (ps, get good at reading body language so you don't waste time trying to 'game' a girl who clearly isn't interestted) That's why the pros still get rejected so much as we see in infields. But these guys tend to not understand what is happening and so they all come to different conclus…
/r/seduction18/05/26 12:37 PM
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i've read and watched pretty much everything in existence in terms of what's out there. But it's COMPLETE overkill. 95% of it is very obvious and natural to someone who hasn't lived under a rock (like the courses have chapters on "listening to what she says and then commenting on it" lol). And 4% of it is just marketing nonsense that'll do more harm than good. Maybe 1% is semi useful. Don't pay for anything. I'd advise just skimming through 1 (2 max) PDF's about game. Be warned that all the book…
/r/seduction18/05/26 12:29 PM
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We always more or less agree lol 1/ yes, stopping masturbation didn't seem to do anything. I'd read about the amazing effects and how women are drawn towards you etc, but I think it's all bro science. I never noticed a difference 2/ getting better looking changed everything. (in my case losing weight and fixing my skin and my hair helped a lot and suddendly my 'game' was more effective). I still think about going further and getting some very expensive surgeries done becuase i know for a fact th…
/r/seduction18/05/26 12:01 PM
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he probably just wasn't their type. There's nothing really to overthink
/r/seduction18/05/26 09:26 AM
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if she is attracted to you, i'd say it's very easy indeed. As easy for a girl who you think is hot to 'seduce' you
/r/seduction17/05/26 05:05 PM
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I want to do a ton of push ups in a row, like over a hundred. i can do around 70 in a row most mornings before it burns like a fucker and i tap out lol
/r/seduction17/05/26 11:36 AM
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This is why I hate the scammy industry lol. You compare your results to FICTIONAL results! Most guys are gonna get rejected by hot girls most of the time. No matter how good their 'game' is or how much they use their pushpull and teases and cold reads etc etc. It's normal. (and the 'coaches' get the same results, but they cherry pick their rare pulls to show) It's about finding single girls, who are also very social and receptive to talk to strangers (many aren't. Especially in certain countries…
/r/seduction17/05/26 08:00 AM
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I am the prize!!!!
/r/seduction16/05/26 10:16 PM
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it's a numbers game. 5 is nothing. Unless you look like a young brad pitt, nobody is getting laid with a hot girl from 5 approaches lol. Just keep going. If you're game is good, you bang the girls who want you. You need to find the girls who want you, though
/r/seduction16/05/26 04:56 PM
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typical virgin, scammy 'coach' comment lol.
/r/seduction16/05/26 01:56 PM
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it's a sales pitch lol. No 'coaching' is gonna make girls want a guy lol. you will learn the exact same things you learn in books etc (pushpull, "you and me wouldn't get along", etc)
/r/seduction16/05/26 01:47 PM
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nothing any dating coach teaches you can force attraction in a girl. You should have realised this yourself having actually tested it out lol. game is about not messing up with girls who want you. If you are not her type, teasing her etc doesn't make a girl attracted anymore than an obese old lady would make you attracted by teasing you lol
/r/seduction16/05/26 08:20 AM
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get attractive so that girls want you (gym, fashion etc) and then hit on girls in bars (or swipe on tinder). The 'seduction' side of things is super easy. BUT it won't work if she's not attracted to you of course.
/r/seduction15/05/26 10:05 PM
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indeed. It's a numbers game.
/r/seduction14/05/26 06:50 AM
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i'm sensing strong sarcasm haha.. But yeah, the coaches themselves get rejected just as much as an average sedditor. The 'reason' for the rejection is nearly actually always that you weren't her type. And doing an even better cold read, or 'holding frame' more or using even more pushpull lines wasn't gonna change that. But yeah, it's a good business model.
/r/seduction13/05/26 07:01 PM
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people have shared so many PUA's methods here on seddit, I don't get why people are always looking for new stuff. Well, I do actually. They are always on the lookout for something new when they realise whoever they're currently studying doesn't actually 'work' as they'd hoped. i.e, MAKE a girl attracted and turn her from someone who would never ever swipe right if it was tinder, into a bedroom partner But until they realise cold approach is a numbers game (and that there's no secret techniques o…
/r/seduction13/05/26 06:47 PM
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that's how you get laid from cold approach. You approach a LOT of girls and if you do that, you are more likely to find the ones who want you. gg
/r/seduction13/05/26 06:44 PM
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you used to be able to go on scribd and people had uploaded their own pdf's of the various courses (taken notes). I'm assuming it's still there
/r/seduction13/05/26 03:09 PM
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all of this stuff is out there for free in torrent form. Why is this exciting lol. They are not coming back to game. Just reselling old programs you can actually find pdf's that outline the basics from the program. So pdf's that for example explain what julient teaches in PIMP such as asking her her name, who she's with, plans for the night etc
/r/seduction13/05/26 02:43 PM
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most of the time it's because the friends can tell the girl isn't interested and the girl you are chatting too is giving subtle cues to her friend. There's nothing you can do about it so don't worry about it. When you approach a girl who is attracted to you, she will NOT give her friends signals and even if one tried to 'save her', she will reject her friends offer
/r/seduction13/05/26 01:27 PM
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it's a numbers game. You need too approach way more if you aren't good looking. Find the 'yes girls'. That is all ANY of us can do. Even the 'pros'. Happy hunting
/r/seduction12/05/26 07:56 PM
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lol
/r/seduction12/05/26 07:54 PM
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true
/r/seduction12/05/26 07:24 PM
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i'm guessing he doesn't actually exist lol. You see this 'argument' all the time on reddit ("my friend is 3ft tall and broke and he bangs models every weekend" etc lol).
/r/seduction11/05/26 11:19 PM
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she sounds hot!
/r/seduction11/05/26 10:23 PM
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lol you don’t even know what you are talking about. I have a friend who is literally below average but fucks 8/10 women from night clubs each weekend. I mean the dude is outright ugly almost. Bad teeth/bad smile gummy smile etc etc. No jaw or chin. BS lol. Check infield footage of professional coaches to see what is (and isn't) possible. Everyone on reddit has these 'my friend has no arms or legs and bangs 2 models per night' stories lol
/r/seduction11/05/26 08:57 PM
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don't be silly lol. The hot young 18 year old cheerleader isn't gonna bang the old fat bald man because he has interpersonal skills lol. physical attraction is the entry. A definite pre requisiste for a successful cold approach. Check infield of professional pickup artists to see where the ceiling lies
/r/seduction11/05/26 08:55 PM
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it's the usual 'my friend is in a wheelchair and a burns victim and bangs 10's every night' nonsense lol
/r/seduction11/05/26 01:44 PM
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if a guy is a 6 and he can't bang 4's, then I probably agree with you. He needs to work on his game. But we're talking about 2 different things too an extent
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:37 PM
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100%. I could write a lot about that topic (decent looking coaches results vs others) having watched jus about every product in existence. Again, it 100% confirms what we all surely konw deep down lol
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:36 PM
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there's another coach here who also speaks the truth (he teaches 'game', but he's well aware that it's a numbers game and won't work if she isn't attracted to you, which is why these experts get rejected as much as anyone else) But the other coaches here are the old school scam artists telling guys you can magically make a girl attracted if you 'hold frame' or use their pushpull techniques etc. It's beyond laughable lol. Coaches OWN infields, of which we have thousands at this point, show a very…
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:32 PM
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problem is taht 'game' without looks (her physical attraction towards you) is irrelevant. At best she will think you are 'confident' and funny etc. But that's not enough. Not even close. She knows lots of men she thinks are 'confident' who she's never in a million years want to bang lol
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:25 PM
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everyone knows that 'looks get you in the door'. It's a very common phrase, even in the community, for a reason I'm not downplaying 'game', but that phrase alone tells you that 'game' isn't gonna help if she's not attracted to you To believe you can create sexual attraction with the stuff PUA books talk about (pushpull, breaking rapport etc) is just insane. It's marketing nonsense. So yes. get as handsome as posssible. And from there it's really about shooting your shot. Opening, showing intent,…
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:21 PM
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good job, coach
/r/seduction11/05/26 06:21 AM
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just chuckle, cause I know appearance is maybe 25% of what determines the results. I approach her anyway, despite not being her type and her flat out rejecting me from the start. 5 minutes later, I'm making out with her. that's just an fantasy/anecdotal story. There's a reason that actual infield footage from pro coaches never shows what these annonymous PUA's say lol. You can tell in their infields whether it'll go somewhere or not within seconds. The 'i'm not interested' reactions go in their …
/r/seduction10/05/26 05:13 PM
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this. Everybody know there are 'yes girls' and 'no girls'. Noobs should read Mark Manson to get an understanding
/r/seduction10/05/26 02:22 PM
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you just haven't learn to read signals as well as experienced players yet. Give it time
/r/seduction10/05/26 12:23 PM
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yes, cold approach is about screening for attraction, essentially. You open, say 'hi', and you can usually tell within seconds whether she is attracted. And certainly if she's not attracted. With the 'not attracted girls', you just move on to the next girl. it will never happen with that girl. Even if you use the magical 'pushpull' technique or wahtever lol The slightly more confusing ones, which you allude too, are the girls who are very talkative and happy and social etc but they're not attrac…
/r/seduction10/05/26 12:15 PM
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The confusion is because it is really very easy to seduce a girl when you approach a girl who is attracted to you. (She would swipe right on you on tinder) From there it's essentially just flirting/showing intent (which is what the pickup books teach you to do. pushpull, tease, compliment etc) and baby-stepping the interaction to sex. The 'rocket science' guys are also kind of right (well, its more impossible than rocket science lol) because they are talking about trying to 'seduce' a girl who w…
/r/seduction09/05/26 01:41 PM
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i'm in the UK which is way less socialable that the US, but I often feel like I am the ONLY guy making approaches within my radius. Most me have completely given up. They rely on swipe apps/online dating
/r/seduction08/05/26 11:49 PM
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when i say 'type' i'm talking about physical attraction. I'm attracted to both mila Kunis (when she was 19) AND margot Robbie (when seh was young) and they don't look similar 'game' is irrelevant if she's not attracted to you at all. You can use pushpull and tease and self amuse and all teh rest of it. Thats why we see 'pro PUA coaches' get rejected so much in infields, and why, when they pull, it was 'on' from teh start (he approached an attracted girl). At best, your game will make her think y…
/r/seduction08/05/26 03:11 PM
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Guys with no game say this all the time. assuming one isn't a virgin, they have 'game' (can convert attraction into sex). When they get rejected, it's just because he isn't her type. It's not a 'game issue' lol ("signalling scarsity" lmao)
/r/seduction08/05/26 02:36 PM
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just read mysterymethod or mark manson or something for free. Don't burn money lol. The 'coach' will have a no higher hit rate than you (unless he's way better looking). I guarantee it
/r/seduction08/05/26 06:29 AM
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it's not about 'improving'. If you had a better approach angle or used a better pushpull line or whatever, you still won't get THAT particular girl. When you approach a single girl who thinks you are hot, it's kind of hard to mess up. conversly, when you approach one and you are not her type, not only do you not get any actual feedback from her making it impossible to actually 'critique', the reality is that it's nothing you did 'wrong' (unless you were spitting when you spoke etc lol). You just…
/r/seduction08/05/26 06:26 AM
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maybe they have asked their female friends to set them up with her hot friend, but the hot friend wasn't interested when she saw his pic lol It's just another way to meet girls, really. Same as online dating (how most people hook up)
/r/seduction07/05/26 04:25 PM
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moonwalk
/r/seduction07/05/26 03:48 PM
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Women in my area don’t want to be approached unless they find you hot that's kind of everywhere lol. A cold approach is never gonna work if you are not her type, as we see in infields from coaches. It's a numbers game
/r/seduction07/05/26 01:55 PM
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2 seconds. She will know if you are NOT her type (no attraction) in about that time. As one of the other replies here says, it's about 'are you fuckable' to her tastes, and you need to meet that level. If you don't, then no amount of 'game' is gonna turn that ship around. (that's why we see so many coaches with huge rejection compilations from single girls and why, when they post a pull, the girl is always very receptive to his open) You could have Todd V in your ear feeding you pushpull lines a…
/r/seduction06/05/26 05:34 PM
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information being you just weren't her type (no attraction), and onto the next!
/r/seduction06/05/26 02:09 PM
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same. There are levels to this game
/r/seduction05/05/26 01:07 PM
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hey guys sorry I’m late I got my first ever same night lay many many years ago with that opener, which also happened to be one of my first ever cold approaches lol
/r/seduction04/05/26 12:19 PM
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nightlife - girls tend to just go out and want to be with their friends and catch up and look pretty etc. They tend to stick to their groups as you say. But if you are her type, she'll give you an approach invitation. Without an approach invitation, you'll be wasting your time tbh with them girls
/r/seduction03/05/26 10:21 AM
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this is a good post. My journey was similar. I'm glad I found the community, but mostly because it gave me the inspiration to actually cold approach. It gave me a kind of false confidence where I thought that, since i'd read all the books, I now had the 'edge' to make girls like me, but that was important to get me out there making approaches in the early days I got some great results that I wouldn't have without discovering the idea of cold approach, but my results came from volume. From 'luck'…
/r/seduction01/05/26 08:48 PM
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fraudster
/r/seduction01/05/26 06:43 PM
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i liked that clip with the girl basically saying 'nothing's gonna happen with us you're not my type' kinda thing, and he immediately changed too a new girl in front of her who IS attracted to him and he makes out with her lol. Cold approach is pure numbers game. And that's cool. Tinder, but in person
/r/seduction01/05/26 11:45 AM
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this. Game is about screening for interest and captialising on it. It's not jedi mind control or black magic. Her attraction isn't in your control. You can pushpull and tease and 'dhv' and all the rest of it until your are blue in the face. It'll be the same as in infields when the coaches open a girl who isn't attracted (i.e a rejection)
/r/seduction01/05/26 09:36 AM
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in my whole life and going to bars like twice per week for the last 20 years? Maybe 3 times (banged all 3) But I have a very good looking friend who has been my main wingman for most of that time, and he'd get approached as much as, typically 5 times per night! (yes yes, I know 'girls don't care about looks' lol)
/r/seduction01/05/26 06:42 AM
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trust your instincts. The anecdotal stuff you see on reddit is a million times better than any professional pickup coach with actual infield. (so BS lol)
/r/seduction30/04/26 09:24 PM
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Focusing on your game and skills everyone knows all that stuff nowadays. Been mainstream, even pushpull vids all over ticktok for a many years now lol
/r/seduction29/04/26 05:18 PM
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you're missing one piece. Taking it from friendly to romantic. There was a post about this earlier, but essentially, you can play all kinds of games to suggest you might be romantically interested in her (which is like 99% of 'game'/flirting), or you can just flat out tell her. The result is the same so choose whichever route you like. Next time, add that one step "you're really pretty by teh way. Lets go out some time, give me your number" or whatever.
/r/seduction27/04/26 05:41 PM
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that show was semi scripted (like reality TV). Cameras everywhere - Wouldn't take anything from that
/r/seduction27/04/26 07:09 AM
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how to lead an attracted girl to sex, without messing it up
/r/seduction26/04/26 08:45 AM
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possible if you are very handsome
/r/seduction23/04/26 04:18 PM
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true. Same for cold approach. We used to call it 'blow me or blow me out' - Don't waste time trying to make an unattracted girl attracted with pushpull lines and all the rest of it. It's a waste of time and never works.
/r/seduction23/04/26 04:15 PM
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you need to find the girls who don't think you are ugly. They are out there. You can't 'make' a girl attracted using 'pushpull' etc. Doesn't work
/r/seduction22/04/26 06:59 AM
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you cna't really 'generate' attaction, tbh. Only amplify exsisting attraction, as mark manson says. People try doing all the 'pushpull' stuff and teases etc on girls who clearly aren't into them, and it never 'turns' them into attracted girls. It just delays the rejection (even in infields from pros)
/r/seduction22/04/26 06:58 AM
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they chase hard when they see a guy who is totally her type. Trust! I saw some insane stuff when I used to game with a very very good looking dude
/r/seduction22/04/26 06:55 AM
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These are things a normal person would learn during their teens if they had a healthy socialization with both genders. this is what i think about 'game' in general tbh lol Always confirmed when I see a vid or something by a PUA and he's like 'if a girl tells you something, try to take something she said and add too it or ask her about it'. And then the comments are like 'Oh my God!! so much value. This is the advanced game I wanted!! I appreciate you!' etc lol. Game is kind of teaching people wh…
/r/seduction21/04/26 05:41 PM
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Eastern Europe
/r/seduction20/04/26 01:07 PM
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there's no wrong or right, really. (outside of being totally socially uncalibrated). That's why all the guys who write these books couldn't possibly disagree with each other more than they do. you can approach direct or indirect, and say whatever comes to mind. Ask her some Q's. Try to get a convo going. If she seems interested/attracted, go the for number of instadate or whatever
/r/seduction20/04/26 07:33 AM
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👍
/r/seduction18/04/26 03:44 PM
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drop the update
/r/seduction18/04/26 08:07 AM
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It's basically to get you to sex without messing it up. You can't make a girl attracted to you, but when you DO find a girl who is attracted to you, someone without any 'game' will still likely not get anywhere with her and will drop the ball due too a number of possible errors (never making it 'man to woman', being scared to actually make a move, being extremely boring etc) But if one isn't a virgin, they already know what to do to get laid and had enough 'game' at least once lol. It's not exac…
/r/seduction17/04/26 11:28 PM
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I used to overthink this a lot, but over thousands of approaches, I kind of realised that almost everything will work if 1/she is somewhat attracted to you and 2/she is a naturally social, talkative person who doesn't mind speaking to strangers (my wingman got like 3 straight 'I don't talk to randoms' the other night. UK for ya! haha)
/r/seduction17/04/26 10:22 PM
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yes
/r/seduction17/04/26 07:53 PM
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get it
/r/seduction15/04/26 10:39 PM
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I don't control what she actually decides this is the heart of it. I think rejection stings more for people who have been brainwashed by 'coaches' ($$$) who tell them they can create attraction in any girl they want using pushpull/game. It leads to endless frustration for those who were naive enough to buy that idea. When you embrace the random, numbers game element of cold approaching hot girls who haven't given you approach invitations, the rejections don't tend to sting as much, if at all (if…
/r/seduction14/04/26 08:08 PM
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Exactly. And I have got a big nose by the way! lol. Probably makes me an instant 'no' for lots of girls, even with great game, but there's some girls out there for who a big honker makes you look attractive lol
/r/seduction13/04/26 07:01 PM
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yes I'm not a good looking dude and i've banged some stunners. I'd love to tell you It's because I have some secret PUA tactics that nobody knows that means I can compel attraction in any girl like magic a spell, but in reality, I got them girls through approaching so much and essentially finding the girls who, for whatever reason, thought I was hot. I can run perfect game and get rejected many many times in a row. It is what it is. But As you say, not every girl has conventional taste. Henry Ca…
/r/seduction13/04/26 06:54 PM
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None of the old school coaches ever actually believed what they said when they made outrageous claims about 'game'. It was just the best marketing tool to make money at the time. But I think youtube (and seeing coaches fail so much despite using their 'attraction material') forced them to change their tune too a degree. It was impossible to not see the patterns; that when they pulled, it was a on a 'yes girl', and when they opened a clear 'no girl', his 'attraction material' didn't cut any ice a…
/r/seduction13/04/26 06:50 PM
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for me it was fun for a while, but after a surprisingly low number of lays, the novelty did wear off somewhat. But everyone is different, I guess. I guess some guys who want to get laid every day with a new girl and want the 2500 lay count are just wired a bit differently or whatever I used to have a friend who was a giga chad. Looked like Henry Cavill. He used to have girls throwing themselves at him without him doing or saying anything. He could have got laid every night if he'd wanted too, bu…
/r/seduction12/04/26 09:54 PM
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you're kind of right, although it's how I got my last GF who was the hottest girl i've ever banged. Model pretty. I met her at a temping job. She was incredibly hot. We'd had some small 2 min chats in between working and she seemed friendly and social. I got her full name from looking at the clock in sheet at work! lol. Sent her a friend request. She accepted in seconds and said 'i've never accepted a friend request so fast!!! x'. We were banging within a week But yeah, in the OP's case, he's si…
/r/seduction12/04/26 10:45 AM
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semi ignore her from this point. Obviously her looks and stuff at the start were just being polite or whatever. If you were her type she's have accepted the request in a second! (that's how i got my last girlfriend I met at work) So try to avoid her as if she doesn't exist. If you run into her, be polite if she strikes up a convo or whatever. But essentially, forgot about her now. Shes invisible to you.
/r/seduction12/04/26 10:41 AM
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Looks matter. You don’t need to look like michael b Jordan, but the woman needs to find you attractive. Not sure why this is debated so much lol 100%. Obviously saying things like 'stop looking at me, you only want me for my body' won't make a girl want you if you are not her type and she's not attracted lol. All PUA stuff/game is essentially tyles of flirting like teasing and 'pushpull' etc. But it's 'power' is extremely limited. As we see in infield footage quite a few 'coaches' on seddit look…
/r/seduction12/04/26 10:35 AM
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lmao - obviously sugar daddies (pay for play) don't count haha. That's girls being willing to have sex with guys they aren't at all attracted too, because it means they get to live an amazing life of luxury
/r/seduction12/04/26 08:18 AM
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haha, i'll try to find the quote, but it came from him. It was around 50
/r/seduction12/04/26 08:10 AM
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think i read mysteries life lay count is about 50 lol. The guys here getting say 200-300 lays per year are doing well (I have a friend who looks like a young Leo and I think he is hitting them sort of numbers lol)
/r/seduction11/04/26 07:02 PM
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its gets your foot in the door but if she sees that you dont have charisma or cant hold the conversation properly she will just move on true. That's why they say looks gets your foot in the door, but that 'game' is usually needed to seal the deal But she of course needs to think your are hot.
/r/seduction11/04/26 01:24 PM
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you need it ALL. ('looks get your foot in the door', as they say. Game (charisma) helps close it!) Attraction is always the most important thing by miles, though. That's why we see pro coaches get rejected so much (since many girls they approach just aren't attracted to them, so their 'gmae'/charisma doesn't help)
/r/seduction11/04/26 01:15 PM
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maybe 'meetup'?
/r/seduction11/04/26 12:00 PM
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how many approaches have you made? how did the interactions tend to go. We see lots of posts here about how UK girls just ignore you and culturally don't tend to want to speak to strangers lol
/r/seduction11/04/26 08:22 AM
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yeah, 3-5 bangs per day is about as advanced as one gets I think
/r/seduction11/04/26 08:17 AM
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i was banging like 3 girls per day when I went to Thailand lol. Gonna go back soon. Tinder over there is like free prostitutes haha
/r/seduction10/04/26 11:39 PM
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there's no magic words that get you 8's and 9's (or any girl) lol
/r/seduction10/04/26 09:23 PM
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london day gamers. Very easy to learn. (direct opener, cold read about her style or whatever, pushpull line etc.) they tend to hit on tourists in Central London
/r/seduction10/04/26 01:47 PM
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depends whose game you use. someone like richar laruina/gambler: Approach and open with something simple like “Hey” or an assumed familiarity line (“Hey, sorry I’m late,” “Why didn’t you call me?”), then talk and look for the “hook point” (Indicators of Interest); if she’s engaged continue into normal conversation while using “push pull,”“cold reading,” and “sexual spikes”. Maintain strong energy levels and “social proof,” then escalate with touch and isolation, and finally close (“Can I have yo…
/r/seduction10/04/26 01:43 PM
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sounds like he's already tried mystery method. Diidn't make the girls attracted for him. I'm happy to give him whoever elses method he wants to try.
/r/seduction10/04/26 01:34 PM
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True. this has been said by a fair few posters on this sub every few years lol. Some dating companies (love systems I think) used to talk about it as they had 'coaches' from variuos countries who realised you can't wlak up too a girl in the UK for instance and say 'hi, i'm mark' like you cna in the US. In the US she might smile and say 'hi, i'm stacey' and ask you a question. In the UK she'd think you had advanced autism lol
/r/seduction09/04/26 06:39 PM
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well I don't do online dating or whatever. I only do night game. And I tend to only go for same night lays (typically getting a girls number from a bar is a waste of time.) I approach girls. Say hi, talk to them. I can sense within seconds whether I have a shot or not. Her body language and how much she talks back etc makes it obvious to me. IF I can sense there's sexual interest there, then I flirt, increase touch, try to isolate her etc. It all takes care of itself and it's really not that dif…
/r/seduction09/04/26 02:22 PM
2

we get posts promoting this useless app that has WOEFUL reviews every day haha
/r/seduction09/04/26 12:48 PM
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you can certainly date, but to think you can 'game' a girl into wanting you is simply delusional and an example of being fooled by marketing. The best game on earth is about closing the girls who are attracted to you a high percentage of the time and rarely messing up. Escalating smoothly etc Literally nobody is out there banging girls who would hard swipe left on them on tinder (and magically making her sexually attracted because you done stuff in PUA books like teasing her, using pushpull, dis…
/r/seduction09/04/26 12:42 PM
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good stuff
/r/seduction06/04/26 05:14 PM
2

it's just shorter than saying 'the girl who I wanted to hook up with' I guess lol
/r/seduction06/04/26 10:21 AM
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This should be obvious to anyone with some life experience and who isn't a 'coach' trying to scam people into believing 'girls aren't visual' etc lol cold approach is about raw attraction. Not 'words'.
/r/seduction06/04/26 09:09 AM
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just memorise 'you're trouble', 'you look like trouble' etc. That's basically Todd Vs whole game for example lol
/r/seduction06/04/26 09:05 AM
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yes. That's what i'm saying. Only the PUA coaches(virgins/scammers)say otherwise! lol
/r/seduction04/04/26 10:18 AM
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You're clueless lol
/r/seduction04/04/26 10:11 AM
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lol, wrong. Check infield of coaches haha. Their 'game' works when they open receptive girls. Otherwise, it's a bloodbath
/r/seduction04/04/26 09:25 AM
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He gets tons of pussy and he doesn't even really have game at all. As a game expert, the very hard truth is that the 'game' side of things is kind of irrelevant. Everything 'works' if she thinks you're hot, and nothing does if she doesn't. Game is just the tiny bit of icing on the cake
/r/seduction03/04/26 08:40 AM
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that video was in 'fearless' from memory. I had it. (I owned literally every product in existence lol)
/r/seduction02/04/26 03:01 PM
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maybe in America. Certainly not in most countries or where I live lol. US are very different to the rest of the world
/r/seduction01/04/26 02:30 PM
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game went mainstream ages ago. I'm sure he knows everything in the books. That's the easy bit. The issue is, is she actually attracted to him or not.
/r/seduction31/03/26 07:18 AM
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lots of coaches turn their backs on 'game' as soon as their own looks go lol. Funny how that works! Steve Jabba is another one. Back when he was young and good looking and getting laid, he always said 'it's all about game. Pushpull, bro' Now he's much older and greyer and fatter and can't bang the hot young ones anymore and his 'game' doesn't work on them, suddenly he's gone blackpill (it's all about looks) and even makes pay-for-play/sex tourist vids now haha
/r/seduction31/03/26 06:56 AM
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not worth worrying too much about success rate. It's just not in your control. If you are exceptional looking, you can maybe bang 1 in 5 girls or something. But cold approach is a game of screening. You need to find single, hot girls who like how you look. And then, assuming she thinks you are hot and is thus open to being gamed, you need to not mess up. But depending on factors not in your control, you could get rejected a shit tonne of times in a row, even if you've read all teh PUA books and …
/r/seduction30/03/26 06:37 PM
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you just shoot your shot. She's either into you or she's not. Your job is to find out
/r/seduction30/03/26 06:04 PM
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it's about having a good looking face (bone structure/genetics) and ideally being tall
/r/seduction30/03/26 05:11 PM
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cape, furry hat, 8 inch platform boots, single glove. You'll have your pick of the girls
/r/seduction30/03/26 05:08 PM
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it's easy to get. I have all of them vids on an old laptop lol. Lots of other stuff, too
/r/seduction29/03/26 12:18 PM
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yes. Hot and quiet = mysterious. 'not her physical type' and quiet = creepy
/r/seduction25/03/26 01:22 PM
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never overthink it. We are all just rolling the dice. He was good looking (albeit short. I have a friend who is a HUGE slayer who i'd put against any 'PUA' we've ever heard of, and he is the same. Very good looking but on the short side. Girls hit on him hard) It wasn't his sunglasses or his body rocking. A girl just liked how he looked, and from there it was somewhat 'on'. Despite him being 'anxious' and not even able to implement any game verbally lol. As you see, that stuff doesn't even matte…
/r/seduction23/03/26 05:07 PM
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the issue is that no game technique acually builds attraction. The main ones are things like teasing, pushpull, DHV stories, disqualification, qualificaiton etc. But honestly, if you are someone who she would swipe hard LEFT on tinder, then them things (and other things in the PUA toolbox) arent gonna change her mind
/r/seduction23/03/26 03:29 PM
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you can't MAKE a girl attracted to you lol. It's a numbers game. As you'll see if you watch infeild footage from the 'best' Don't worry about it. Find the girls who want you. Approach more. Drop the PUA Sstuff
/r/seduction23/03/26 08:53 AM
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approaches fizzle out super fast when you approach a girl who isn't attracted to you. Move on to the next girl. It's about screening
/r/seduction22/03/26 04:53 PM
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Glanced at it once. There's almost nothing i've not read and tested when it comes to game It was in a similar realm as Mark Mansons 'models' (a favourite on seddit) in general terms, as it kind of tells you to drop all of the 'outergame' and techniques that don't work for anybody (that PUA's just mistakenly attribute any success to them things when in reality it was because he opened a girl who was attracted to him. i.e they pulled in spite of them things. Not because of them) He emphasizes not …
/r/seduction22/03/26 11:45 AM
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I feel like cold approaching is essentially a super-super like that’s instant and can lead to a one night stand i like that lol. People always say cold approach is basically tinder but 'in person' and they are right. You approach a girl, say 'hi', and it's usually super obvious whether she is into you (and even more so if she's not). If she is, escalate, if she's not, no 'outergame' is gonna help and you move on (approach new girl/re swipe!) I just do lots of cold appproach, personally. Out in t…
/r/seduction21/03/26 12:09 PM
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imagine a woman asking this. You'd know the answer. The answer is exactly the same both ways. Physical attraction is everything when it comes too attraction. You need 'game' (usually) to help not mess up though
/r/seduction21/03/26 11:21 AM
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drop the todd v stuff. As you see, it doesn't make her attracted.
/r/seduction20/03/26 12:51 PM
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you're on the payroll lol. The truth is none of them coaches do anything impressive. Seen it first hand. If they open a girl who is very clearly not interested, they are dead in the water. If they open a girl who is receptive, they do good. Same as me. Me and the top coaches are on the same level. That's all there is too it
/r/seduction19/03/26 01:40 PM
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there's nothing I don't know about game lol I could literally teach it/scam people if I wanted. But the truth is, game is about leading attracted girls to sex. I've been out with so many coaches and community guys over the years, and the patterns is undefeated! Agree to disagree lol
/r/seduction19/03/26 01:17 PM
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"JuST PuSH PulL!!!" lol
/r/seduction18/03/26 02:44 PM
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the PUA answer is teasing, 'pushpull', DHV stories, and negs
/r/seduction17/03/26 09:39 PM
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you don't tend to want/need too actually talk when it comes to actual clubs and dancing However, in GENERAL, the whole 'running out of things to say' is nearly always simply because you're not her type/she's not attracted. And so she's not trying at all. It's impossible to talk too a brick wall basically. When you open a girl who is actually attracted to you, 'running out of things to say' is almost never an issue. She is doing more than her fair share in them situations and it's effortless. If …
/r/seduction17/03/26 09:21 PM
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like mark manson says, you can't 'create' attraction. You can only amplify existing attraction. Doing pushpull and teasing and other 'game' on a girl if she would never swipe right on you on tinder in a million years won't cut the mustard
/r/seduction16/03/26 08:37 PM
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Most guys don’t understand that a woman friend-zones you because you’re not her type. It’s not because you need to make some move or act different. this is the answer. other replies are sort of missing the point a bit.
/r/seduction16/03/26 08:34 PM
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nowdays, even lots of coaches (who used to say 'women aren't visual' etc) admit that she of course needs to like how you look and be physically attracted too a certain extent. I mean, it'sn ridiculous to think otherwise. If a girl would swipe hard left on you on tinder, then none of your pushpull lines and good body language etc are gonna cut any ice lol
/r/seduction15/03/26 11:08 PM
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some of the girls he gets are way way hotter than the pua's have with infield, though. Did you see that girl in the bikini top who was trying to get clav to bang her even though she had a boyfriend in that restaurant. Amazing rack. Very young and very pretty. PUA's don't get that sort of standard
/r/seduction15/03/26 12:58 PM
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he's good looking. Of course he can bang hot girls with ease. Add to that that now he has some clout, and he's on god mode lol
/r/seduction15/03/26 11:49 AM
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this the issue with literally everything when it comes to 'game' lol.
/r/seduction15/03/26 10:25 AM
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make a new thread with a field report/update!
/r/seduction15/03/26 10:06 AM
1

basically this. Game isn't complicated. Chat. Ask her about herself etc. If she's attracted to you (and it's usually quite obvious) you flirt (show some intent). If you're not her type (even more obvious!) you find a new girl too approach
/r/seduction14/03/26 02:19 PM
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it's a numbers game. Just say hi, ask some questions etc. Flirt a bit if she seems receptive to the approach and isn't giving you one words answer etc. If you are her type, she'll flirt back a bit and it will take care of itself from there
/r/seduction14/03/26 02:08 PM
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be her type and flirt, basically
/r/seduction14/03/26 02:06 PM
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I am terrible at flirting but I still do well with women. which is kind of interesting because when you break down nearly every PUA 'game' technique, it's effectively a form of flirting
/r/seduction13/03/26 10:49 PM
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old school 'pre-seleciton' in terms of a girl seeing other super hot girls trying to bang you is indeed quite powerful. But just being introduced and stuff doesn't really mean much. (although it's still better than going in completely 'cold') - There was a guy on here yesterday talking about how he has a female 'wingman' who tries to get him laid but the girls she chooses aren't attracted to him. Are you gonna be attracted to some fat old women because your male friend introduces you lol?
/r/seduction13/03/26 05:42 PM
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good luck
/r/seduction13/03/26 05:06 PM
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With the preselection and the ratio you won’t have to do much outside of “don’t be creepy” well, attraction is what is actually needed. Hopefully of the 7, one of them will think he's good looking. But without that, the ratio and the fact he's been introduced isn't gonna cut it. Not even close
/r/seduction13/03/26 05:05 PM
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cool. I assumed they all were hot based on your initial post. Doesn't change anything. If none of them are attracted to you there's nothing you can do. Hopefully at least one of them will be. If you notice this, you flirt with her and try to take it somewhere
/r/seduction13/03/26 11:51 AM
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it's fine. if she likes you back it will work. If you're not her type it won't work. And that's always the case, no matter whose style you implement
/r/seduction13/03/26 11:14 AM
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I mean yeah, that could be the case. But that's not in your control lol. If the ones you want aren't into you, then that's it. Game over. Find new girls
/r/seduction13/03/26 10:24 AM
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out of 7 of them, there's a chance at least one of them will think you are good looking. Chat to them all. Just be normal and friendly and fun. If you sense attraction from one of them, flirt with her/show some intent. Not much more to say. Theres no lines or tactics/techniques you can do to FORCE anyone to be attracted to you of course.
/r/seduction13/03/26 10:16 AM
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this is yet another add for that useless shawty app lol, but ok
/r/seduction13/03/26 09:40 AM
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doesn't really matter. You're opener (or even verbals after) aren't gonna be the thing that makes her wanna bang you. Cold approach is just about attraction, really So just say 'hi, what's up?'. If shes attracted, it'll flow ok from there. If not, there was never gonna be some magic verbals that would have resulted in you getting her cold approach is about screening
/r/seduction11/03/26 06:31 PM
1

there's a popular thread on here right now about how to get laid with 3 girls per day during spring break
/r/seduction10/03/26 08:06 PM
1

to be honest, a huge percentage of the time i've been making out with a girl, we had sex that same night. Admittedely i'm not talking about 'dates' (just night game cold approach) but making out certainly never done me any harm
/r/seduction10/03/26 06:29 PM
2

that's like 1000 lays per year. Not bad at all
/r/seduction10/03/26 06:26 PM
1

why are so many girls attracted to you? is it pushpull and negs or more DHV stories
/r/seduction10/03/26 04:34 PM
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Should I look for signals when I approach someone I like? Depends how thick skinned you are! lol If you just approach a girl because she's super hot and she hasn't given you any IOI's then there's a super high chance it'll be a rejection. (unless you're a gigachad and she hasn't had a chance to notice you) The guys who brag about having a really high hit rate tend to play a different game (they only approach the girls who are giving blatant IOI's) So if you don't care about rejections and they d…
/r/seduction07/03/26 06:45 PM
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In many ways all this stuff stunts guys more than helps. big time!!
/r/seduction06/03/26 06:22 PM
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I went there and just said that my eyes stuck you there's not even that much wrong with it, tbh! I've seen direct PUA's on youtube pull girls with similar lines. (saw an infield last week where he was just like 'I just wanna look at you for hours'. (or something very similar. Can't quite remember) She was giddy and obviously liked how he looked and so enjoyed his opener and he ended up closing) Cold approach is just about finding the girls who want you. Your verbals are barely relevant. Don't wo…
/r/seduction06/03/26 06:20 PM
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You're right. I'm 'pro game' but the marketing is a load of absolute fiction lol (e.g the idea you can apply certain 'techniques' and say certain thing and then 'bang' she is attracted to you). Funnily enough, THEIR OWN Infield footage shows that they only ever close the girls who have fairly high base level attraction and are thus receptive to the opproach. People have been getting scammed for a long time, but recently, even some coaches are saying things that they'd have never admitted 10 year…
/r/seduction06/03/26 03:42 PM
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That's fair enough. "game" definitely helps you not mess up when you approach a girl who is attracted. I agree with you But lets no pretend you can just approach a girl who has literally zero attraction for you (you are a million miles from the sort of guys she swipes right on on tinder) and then 'game' your way into her pants using pushpull and negs and teases and good body language etc. It's just fgantasy/marketing
/r/seduction06/03/26 02:29 PM
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the 'attraction' part is the all important part and it's the piece that you don't control. (obviously you can try DHV stories and talk about how you are a leader of men or do magic tricks or whatever else, but it won't cut any ice. I'm sure most people have tried that). That's why everyone knows this is a numbers game. Or why when someone asks seddit how to bang the hot neighbour, the answer is' just shoot your shot. Ask her out'. Or why in infields if she is super cold/hostile/clearly not attra…
/r/seduction06/03/26 01:46 PM
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:)
/r/seduction06/03/26 09:55 AM
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i think they have indeed tried applying it. I'v read loads of FR's here where people are trying to use todd V lines and 'tehcniques' etc and they fail big time lol. (or at least always fail on girls who don't find him hot) - I mean, there's no 'technique' you can use on a girl to make her attracted to you. That's not how it works
/r/seduction06/03/26 09:52 AM
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women approach hot guys all the time. I have a very good looking wing. Typically the approach will be that they pretend to recognise him as their opener. Other approaches I often see on him are a girls 'accidentally-on purpose' brushing his arm or knocking into him and then apologising in the hope he strikes up a convo. And the final one is just a very direct "omg you're so hot" opener (typically slightly older girls. 25+) on a night out, these happen to him approx 5 times per night
/r/seduction06/03/26 09:46 AM
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if she knows you are seeing multiple girls and she's pretty, make no mistake, she's getting banged by other dudes too lol
/r/seduction05/03/26 08:32 AM
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I try to make this point too. It's ok to be somewhat blackpilled in the sense that of COURSE a girl must think you are good looking for you to have a shot at her on a cold approach. If she doesn't think you are good looking, then do you REALLY think that by using 'pushpull' and all that stuff she's gonna wanna bang you?! lmao. Even infield from pro coaches shows what happens when they try to 'game' a single girl who clearly isn't receptive. Even if she thinks you are confident, it doesn't equal …
/r/seduction04/03/26 08:31 PM
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You know how many times I've heard that and turned it around? A lot i've never seen that in person or with the 'experts' who actually have infield. If she says she has a boyfirend, he'll typically use a boyfriend destroyer line. At best it might get a laugh. (at BEST lol) But it still ends in rejection. So it's very hard to believe that claim, tbh if she lies about having a boyfriend it's just 'cos' there's no physical attraction. You're not her type. And in that situation, you can tease adn neg…
/r/seduction03/03/26 11:35 PM
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you don't really believe him, do you?!! lol
/r/seduction03/03/26 11:01 PM
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amplified. Possibly. (see my reply above)
/r/seduction03/03/26 10:57 PM
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I love king of the hill lol. I know that scene. But I think he's just trying not to waste time. You even said yourself you are essentially screening for the girls who are attracted. That's waht boomhauer is doing too in a roundabout way. He knows that the girls who reject his direct approach wouldn't be 'seduced' by HIM if he was to instead go indirect and try to keep the convo going etc. (maybe he read mark manson and knows that you can only amplify existing attraction with your 'game') Lots of…
/r/seduction03/03/26 10:53 PM
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he might be doing everything perfectly, but just opening girls who aren't attracted to him.
/r/seduction03/03/26 09:04 PM
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lol
/r/seduction03/03/26 08:57 PM
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pretty much. It's about finding the girls who want you back. It isn't that hard once you find them girls. If she's not into, then there's nothing you can do. On to the next
/r/seduction03/03/26 01:17 PM
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you can't make someone like you sexually, i'm afraid. It's not in your control.
/r/seduction02/03/26 09:42 PM
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lol
/r/seduction02/03/26 08:04 PM
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I once worked with a guy (at a relatively low stakes job) who was very attractive, like a 9 by most women standards, and he basically couldn't miss. Girls would start flirting with him the second they met him, I saw girls get into fights over him, and I know that he slept with plenty of girls outside of work too. this sounds like my ex wing. It's why I can't keep a straight face when, everyday without fail, one of the 'coaches' on this site will say 'girls aren't visual' and 'girls aren't attrac…
/r/seduction01/03/26 07:27 PM
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same as you would any other girl. Be her type and flirt. If it's reciprocated (i.e you're her type/she thinks you're hot), make plans to date I know everyone here will be like 'you're gonna be homeless' but at least where i live in the UK, literally like 80% of relationships/marriages began at work. I've had my share of work hookups myself. Never an issue
/r/seduction01/03/26 06:06 PM
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It's not something i have first hand experience with as i'm not good looking. And my very good looking friends who crush it run completely 'zero game' game, so again, it's not something I can confirm But I did read something about it years ago by, I think a semi-famous PUA who went by the name 'YaReally'. I think he might have spoke about it, and if I remember correctly, it was kind of along the lines of a girls internal reaction being 'why is he trying so hard. He shouldn't need too!! Look at h…
/r/seduction01/03/26 06:03 PM
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just keep going. When you open a girl that is very attracted to you, you'll be surprised by how little you need to 'try' so hard to 'keep them interested', and how escalation will take care of itself (sometimes SHE will be the one too initiate it) Just keep grinding
/r/seduction01/03/26 12:58 PM
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The idea of 'learning from mistakes' is a bit silly when talking about something like this. Because it assumes something that simply isn’t true: That you get useful feedback. But what you actually get is just noise. A coach can always point to something you did wrong like your opener (you should never go direct! OR you should never go INdirect!!), you smiled too much, you didn't smile enough, your approach angle was 5degrees off etc etc (benjamin seda does this in his infields with students lol.…
/r/seduction01/03/26 11:59 AM
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the issue is that if she is really not physically attracted to you and you are not her type, then it's over. Your 'game' will count for nothing. You can push-pull and tease and use mysterymethod and all the rest until you are blue in the face as thousands of teh infields we have available in the last decade show quite nicely. It is very much a numbers game so it's never worth stressing about ratios and stuff. A girl can even think you are super super confident adn charasmatic etc and she'd still…
/r/seduction01/03/26 08:49 AM
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I doubt you've got 'worse'. Cold approaching is a numbers game with a high variance. You need to find the girls who are attracted to you and then not mess up. Sometimes you hit a hot streak, sometimes you hit a cold streak. You're just in the middle of a bad distribution patch right now. results aren't linear. You're going to experience clusters of success and clusters of failure purely due to statistical distribution. Someone could have the best game on planet earth and get 50 rejections in a r…
/r/seduction28/02/26 11:54 PM
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exactly this. Hit all the same points as my answer, but you worded it better. And yeah, it actually reminds me of an video I saw yesterday. The dude approached a girl VERY early in the morning (it was light out but very early like maybe 5am). She was 'vlogging' having just finished a night shift, and some guy hit on her and tried striking up a convo asking what she does etc, and she was very rude to him (uk girls often are! lol) and berated him a bit. All of the comments on the vid were from wom…
/r/seduction28/02/26 09:21 PM
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it's nothing. Water off a ducks back. I've seen some of my friends get absolutely brutal rejections a million times worse than that. I've had my fair share too lol If you do COLD approach and not 'warm' (i.e not waiting for IOI's etc) then you need to accept that you're gonna get told to fuck off a lot of the time unless you look like a young brad pitt. Just the way it is. And that's amplified in certain countries, and more so in situations like you describe (i.e you in a car talking to girls on…
/r/seduction28/02/26 09:13 PM
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yeah, that kind of thing. Like you're being pre-judged as being overly confident and full of yourself BECAUSE you're good looking
/r/seduction28/02/26 03:38 PM
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hmmm....that does sound a bit odd lol. Before I completed your post I could have guessed you were good looking from the fact girls were opening you etc, and you confirmed it at the end for me, anyway I think something about being good looking means you have to adapt your game a bit. Be way more normal and boring. Sounds weird but I think it will help you. Stop trying to 'game' so much. Too 'try hard' for a handsome dude I have 2 male model looking friends who CRUSH it and would destroy the best …
/r/seduction28/02/26 03:34 PM
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you've read the situation right, my friend. She just HAPPENED to need to sneeze?! What a coincidence!!
/r/seduction28/02/26 08:50 AM
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She's testing you!! Classic example. Implying she's allergic to you. The correct PUA tactic is a neg. Tell her that her elbows are too pointy. Then we need to 'agree and amplify'. That's how we deal with 'shit tests'. Do 'strawberry fields' on her but sneeze even louder than her just before you reveal the results of her answers
/r/seduction28/02/26 08:43 AM
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she would 'swipe right' if it was on tinder. She is receptive to the approach
/r/seduction27/02/26 11:20 AM
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Had decent success from night game recently but only with yes girls. every girl someone bangs from cold approach is a 'yes girl'. Do'nt worry about that! Even for the 'pros' if you watch enough infield. good job
/r/seduction26/02/26 01:56 PM
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your example is getting your friend to make you a drink?? that's some serious backtracking lol
/r/seduction24/02/26 10:49 PM
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same as if she's not talking back and asking you questions etc. She's not attracted and isn't going to be no matter what 'game' lines you run. You just move on to the next girl. that's cold approach
/r/seduction24/02/26 08:59 PM
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if you can bang 90% of single girls than you are about 50x better than teh best PUA's known to man haha. You could be Bill gates rich. The ability to sleep with any girl you want, even if you are 80 and she is 18 is info billionnaires would pay huge money for lol. Avoid them having to stoop to epstein tactics and grape etc, which many super rich people do. Just 'jedi mind trick her'. One person who also claimed similar abilities was ross jefferries but he was also a massive massive fraud. Unsurp…
/r/seduction24/02/26 02:31 PM
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if she makes him up, it just means you're not her type. So there's no attraction there. So it's over. nothing you say is gonna magically MAKE her super attracted lol (even 'you're trouble', or 'you and me wouldn't get along, we'd always fight adn i'd always win!' lol. She doesn't care) if she actually has a boyfriend but thinks you are better looking then of course she can still be got. Nobody is arguning that
/r/seduction24/02/26 02:11 PM
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exactly lol. People are so gullible! No wonder there's so much money in the industry! He can't 'make people' do shit lol. He doesn't have any 'gift' to do this. Nobody does! Freaking jedi mind control jhahaa
/r/seduction24/02/26 07:45 AM
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as the other guy said, it's not relevant. Either she actually has a boyfriend, or she's making him up because she's not attracted to you. Not everything is a 'test' lol. You think she'll tell some guy who is her 10/10 that she has a BF and risk him walking off to find a new girl? People took the 'shit test' thing way too far lol. I even saw some guys take it as a 'test' when a girl was literally ignoring them and saying 'sorry, i'm not interested. Can you please leave' etc lol. And i've seen guy…
/r/seduction24/02/26 07:42 AM
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you can get all of his books (flow etc) quite easily for free i'd imagine. And it's not as though there's gonna be some new, unheard of, secret 'tech' in this new course or whatever it is that isn't in his prior books. I promise you, these guys are all essentially grifters lol.
/r/seduction23/02/26 03:15 PM
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indeed, they are all completely full of shit. They just play the same numbers game we all do and call it 'game' when they eventually open one who is receptive and attracted. Their 'tecnniques' never ever help when they open a girl who would swipe LEFT on him on tinder
/r/seduction23/02/26 09:08 AM
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he's a fraud. Never even had a single infield. He would massively struggle to pick up some really hot young girl from cold approach. It'd take a tonne of approaches before he succeeded. But they are all basically frauds, tbh. It's just about approaching girls and seeing which one is into you. That's the game we all play. From 'coaches' to noobs When you approach them girls, you really don't need to do overthink it. The mutual attraction will make it all just happen, typically. And if you open so…
/r/seduction23/02/26 12:45 AM
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it's exactly this, but not many seem to understand it for some reason lol. I've extremely blackpilled in that I know that looks are everything for a cold approach ('game' doesn't help if she thinks you are ugly lol) but there's still a large amount of subjectivity involved. I've banged some really hot girls who I was able to bang due to them thinking I was very good looking (even if every single one of her friends thought I was way too ugly for her) So really, cold approach is all about being 'g…
/r/seduction22/02/26 11:08 AM
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this is true, although people often use that quote as a way to downplay looks sometimes which makes no sense to me lol. As it's literally admitting that without 'look's you literally don't have a shot
/r/seduction22/02/26 11:04 AM
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well, on a cold approach she MUST think you are hot. Otherwise your 'game' won't work (puhspull, teasing, cold reads blablabla). That's just fact and evidenced by infield footage. So in a way, they are right (although some go too far with it lol)
/r/seduction22/02/26 11:03 AM
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It depends on why she doesn't like you. If it's something you did or she made the wrong assumption about you - that's potentially fixable. If it's just your general vibe / face or she's just not interested in who you are - that's not fixable. this is the answer. It's about the 'why'. I'd say nearly all hostile/instant rejections, especially on hot girls in bars or whatever, are simply because she isn't attracted to you. Think of it like tinder, but in person. you're just not her type. I see this…
/r/seduction18/02/26 07:06 PM
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infield from pros shows that this literally never happens. 'Reds' always end up in their rejection compilations. They pull the 'greens'. Check out what mark manson says in models. "You can't negotiate attraction. Only amplify 'existing' attraction"
/r/seduction18/02/26 06:01 PM
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people only THINK it was there 'game' when they pull someone. It's actually just that you were her type.
/r/seduction18/02/26 08:35 AM
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many people say if you've ever gotten laid you have lots of 'game', beacuse there's no other reason. (e.g it can't be 'looks' because 'girls don't care about looks' etc)
/r/seduction18/02/26 08:34 AM
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bigger problem is that it's 100% looks game. Whereas cold approach is more like 95% looks lol
/r/seduction17/02/26 07:39 PM
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almost everyone hooks up and meets their partners at work
/r/seduction16/02/26 12:41 AM
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it ain't that bad: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PwKWZQrIFVc
/r/seduction14/02/26 03:13 PM
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I remember using it on someone and it totally worked. (But other people, they don't work) yes, because as with all 'game' tech (pushpull, negs, disqualificaiton etc) it 'works' on the girls who already want you. And doesn't when you're not her type lol
/r/seduction14/02/26 10:41 AM
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unless you have absolutely insane body language, it seems like a waste of time Julien from RSD used to sometimes do infield where he's holding his body in all kinds of weird ways for fun, all hunched over, or arms in a very unnatrual way etc. Didn't effect him It's really all just about attraction. Not body language and techniques etc. If you get rejected it's almost certaintly not your body language or some 'game' issue. Just not her type. No attraction. move on to the next girl!
/r/seduction13/02/26 05:05 PM
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she given any clear signs of attraction? caught her checking you out? flirting? Due to the situation, i'd probably not shoot my shot unless I felt extremely confident she was into me, but that's just me.
/r/seduction13/02/26 01:06 PM
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yeah, he's not being truthful. A number of my friends said it was a drastic difference in how hot they were percieved and how easy they found hooking up compared to back home
/r/seduction13/02/26 08:58 AM
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tbh, it IS a million times easier lol. People keep going there for a reason. If you are even semi decent looking, white and not silly old, you will 100% be scoring with much prettier girls than you get back at home.
/r/seduction13/02/26 08:57 AM
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I mean I specified their ages like 3 times in these posts lol. I can't make allowances for people who can't read haha
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:51 AM
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much easier than me or the other guy have it! lol. Age won't disqualify you much. But you still need too approach and find the girls who are receptive/attracted. That's a whole other part of the game!
/r/seduction12/02/26 10:53 PM
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I agree with you. I know people here always say it's cool to go out alone etc (and maybe it does vary slightly based on what country you live in) but personally, for me here in the UK, being alone 100% adds to the creep factor! It's not even up for debate, really. If you are by yourself, it just makes you look more like a creeper/odd ball or whatever. I tend to go out with a few friends (typically 2 friends). Luckily they're not in denial. The only time they might tease me when it comes to age i…
/r/seduction12/02/26 07:23 PM
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Yeah, and you can easily notice where the eyes of the 'ewww' guys goes when a hot young girl like that passes. I've got some stories that always spring to mind about them guys. They talk and talk about 'i could never be attracted too her', but on the rare occassion where an opportunity actually presents itself with some young stunner, they JUMP at the chance lol. I saw a really interesting thread on reddit once actually by a woman and she made the point much better than I ever could!! (her threa…
/r/seduction12/02/26 07:08 PM
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is it that you feel creepy, or that you worry that SHE will think you are 'creepy'? If it's the first one, then it's just how you feel and there's not much you can do about that. Probably best not to approach them if that's the case? I personally don't feel creepy. There's nothing abnormal about finding an 18 year old girl with a beautiful face and a perfect body attractive lol. 100% of men who say 'ewww' would cut their toes off if it meant one of them girls would sleep with him lol. they are i…
/r/seduction12/02/26 06:49 PM
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much less of an issue. 32-35 women will be WAY more open too a 40 year old. It's really a negligible gap. Almost not worth worrying about in my experience. I tend to play on hard mode. Like you said about how "just way harder finding one that I am atttracted too". I have that issue but a bit more extreme, and nearly every time i see a girl who makes me double take, she's typically like 18-21. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is lol. Life would be a lot easier if that wasn't the case and I was…
/r/seduction12/02/26 01:59 PM
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exactly! rare to find other posters who understand this lol. Other people who shoot others down saying 'why did you need so many approaches' etc, are simply not playing the same game. They are only approaching off of IOI's etc. Playing it super safe so as to avoid rejection, and then taking the high road as if they have some 'skill'
/r/seduction12/02/26 01:38 PM
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you're gonna get some insane answers on this sub ("you can be 100 and pull every stunning 18 year old you see if you read the mysterymethod" type replies), but you don't seem that gullible to me lol Basically, cold approach and social circle/hobbies etc is your best bet. And you need to accept that you will simply not be sexual option for a decent percentage of the very pretty, very young girls you meet. Even if you have 'elite level game'. The attraction won't be there. However, there are certa…
/r/seduction12/02/26 01:14 PM
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You don't need to be a male model of course, but physical attraction is of course necessary. Otherwise you will be using 'pushpull' and 'cold reads' on a freaking brick wall lol. Infield has shown us this for a decade now. game isn't black magic. It's social skills and they'll help you seal the deal with girls who are somewhat into you. At it's very core it's emulating what 'confident' and charasmatic men might do. BUT being 'confident' doesn't = sexual attraction. It's not unsual that a girl mi…
/r/seduction11/02/26 05:24 PM
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the answer is volume, basically. I've seen the usual cope replies here i'd expect. 'girls don't care about looks' etc. which is hilarious to read to anyone who has good looking friends or has ever seen reaction vids on omegle etc of good looking dudes. Or even just having a sister was enough for me as a kid to know how insane that statement is lol Anyway, volume is what is needed. I'm not a good looking dude but i've hooked up with some very pretty girls in my time. I shared some pics with someo…
/r/seduction10/02/26 10:06 PM
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over a long enough timeline, everyone 'gets it'. Just it takes some a hell of a long time. Steve jabba used to talk about how age and looks don't matter. Just 'game'. now he's done a full on U turn Right this second there are pickup coaches and even posters here who will say 'girls aren't visual', 'if you got rejected it just means your game wasn't good enough' etc. Pure nonsense. Some of them actually believe it lol. Most are just saying it because that's how they make money. But make no mistak…
/r/seduction09/02/26 12:17 PM
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:)
/r/seduction09/02/26 08:44 AM
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tinder. They can get men delivered to their house for free within the hour
/r/seduction09/02/26 12:23 AM
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There's a guy called Steve Jabba who used to be a PUA. 'gambler' said he was 'the best'. It turns out, he was just good looking when he was young and so a fair few girls made it easy for him. Nothing to do with 'game'. Now that he's lost his looks, he is a full on sex tourist lol. Suddenly his 'game' doesn't work now he's old and fat! amazing. Who'd a thunk it!? Even has youtube channels helping people run passport game in Asia etc and he even pays the girls lol I always said that over a long en…
/r/seduction07/02/26 12:41 PM
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If you're white, Thailand, Cambodia or Dominican Republic should be like fishising with dynamite
/r/seduction07/02/26 12:37 PM
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he talks sense at around the 7min mark (e.g guys wasting time on girls who simply aren't attracted and never will be, Approach, see if she's interested or not. If she's not, move on. If she is, game on!) as for the whole 'after party' question. It's more of a trick that PUA's would use in infields so that they could claim a 'pull'. Scammer likes john anthony done this all the time
/r/seduction06/02/26 10:09 PM
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All pretty true. Hard to argue with any of that You mainly doing online dating or cold approach? 3.This shit is a MASSIVE numbers game Yes, cold approach is certainly a numbers game. Look at the hit rate of the top coaches. It's about attraction. The 'tools' we have to create it aren't fit for purpose, tbh (we've all read the material) If you don’t have both looks AND status, you’re playing the numbers game point blank period. Even with looks it's still a numbers game (as not every girl you appr…
/r/seduction06/02/26 03:07 PM
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this guy texts!!
/r/seduction06/02/26 02:56 PM
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i've had night where i've pulled my absolute dream girl after about 20 rejecitons haha. And I know for a fact that if someone 'downloaded' me with the best game on earth, the result would have been the same with them girls. And i'm very happy with my results, tbh. I know the truth about this stuff (not that that should be a big surprise really. Many pros have a similar documented hit rate. It's just the nature of the beast, especially if you are going for girls way hotter than you are)
/r/seduction02/02/26 08:07 PM
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I can honestly tell within 2 seconds of a cold approach whether it will go anywhere (or whether it wo'nt). And yeah, it's basically the eyes. They never lie! Combined with her body language and it couldn't be more obvious
/r/seduction02/02/26 07:39 PM
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It's not always simple to figure out, and sometimes it's nothing you did wrong yes. Unlimited variable and you could also be looking for reasons where there are none. e.g the actual reason was just that you she just isn't attracted to you (not because your approach angle or you failed to use assumptions instead of questions or you used the mysterymethod which is "too old" and you should have used Todds system etc) whole long date with a girl and then get rejected the reasons for it might be diff…
/r/seduction02/02/26 07:33 PM
1

it's a numbers game. Gotta just keep going! When you find the ones who want you, it's easy
/r/seduction02/02/26 01:24 PM
1

"tall with decent looks" yes, it's very possible.
/r/seduction02/02/26 08:03 AM
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I remember that infield lol.
/r/seduction01/02/26 08:14 PM
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Decent post This will always be the case. No matter what you do, most girls will not be into you this is the hard truth of cold approach (e.g NOT only approaching off of IOI's). I saw an infield on insta last week where a guy approached and she clearly wasn't into him. I could tell within a second. But he clearly had lots of charisma and swagger etc. After a min or so of him trying she was like 'you're exceptionally confident. I'll give you that' and he was like 'OK, so put your number in my pho…
/r/seduction01/02/26 07:50 PM
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correct
/r/seduction01/02/26 10:02 AM
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it’s going to be difficult to have 0 results if you’re approaching 20+ women in a night. even if he's an old, short fat dude at a bar frequented by the hottest 19 year old models in Miami? they're amazing odds. Just make 20 appraoches per night and be hooking up with 10/10's like DiCaprio, left and right?!!
/r/seduction31/01/26 09:41 AM
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Nobody is arguing looks don’t matter I suggest you read the replies in this thread lol
/r/seduction31/01/26 12:23 AM
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if one doesn't have 'game', they risk dropping the balll and messing up with girls who are into them. I suggest you read some mark manson to understand waht game is etc. It's the most recommended pickup book on seddit
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:42 PM
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Despite the title of the thread, i'd probably slightly disagree. I do'nt think it's a terrible rule in general, and it's certainly realistic, BUT I always say that just because I know for a fact that physical attraction is required for your 'pushpull' or whatever (game) to do a damn thing, that doesn't mean that every girl will agree on where you are on the looks scale I banged a girl last Christmas who I honestly think would be unanimously voted at least a 9 across an average of thousands of pe…
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:39 PM
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feels like it was written by a chatbot, tbh lol. Unless maybe he uses one just to edit/make it look nice
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:11 PM
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not in the context of a cold approach
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:18 PM
2

better!!!
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:17 PM
4

quit referring too it as 'picking up' and you may have better luck
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:07 PM
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This dude could be ugly, 5'3", have a scratchy voice, whatever. If this dude is pre selected and has game, he's beating me and every other chad looking dude every single time. dude...
/r/seduction30/01/26 07:06 PM
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problem is that I feel that IF she was attracted to you, she'd not have reacted in them ways. Like, imagine her crush swiped on her on tinder or whatever. She doesn't unfollow him! She probably ramps up the flirting. DMs you. flirts in person etc. Just sounds like the odds are stacked against you. The history you provided doesn't sound great. Also shes super hot and probably has lots of guys trying their luck. Different departments and barely see her etc. It's not good plenty more fish in the se…
/r/seduction30/01/26 07:00 PM
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false
/r/seduction30/01/26 06:27 PM
2

excellent post
/r/seduction30/01/26 03:00 PM
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a girl saying she has a boyfriend isn't a 'shit test' lol
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:48 PM
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you won't tend to 'learn' from a rejection. could it have been your approach angle was a few degrees off? sure. Why not. You smiled when you approached. Maybe that was what caused the rejection? Maybe you asked her name too quick?? or took too long to ask it?? Or maybe, other than the other unlimited number of variables, it was just that you weren't her type PUA's/coaches will always find a random 'reason' in hindsight, but honestly, the answer is nearly always that she simply wasn't attracted/y…
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:46 PM
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i've got 200+ lays. stopped counting ages ago at 200 ish. It's not that amazing lol. and with your stats, yours won't be anywhere near as hot as the gilrs i get. I win
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:30 PM
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I agree 100%. It’s almost like applying for a job in a way and looks are almost like your “resume”. If you don’t have the prerequisites for a woman with really high standards it doesn’t matter how well you “interview” or how much game you have. exactly
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:23 PM
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he's probably better with girls than you, tbh. You sound insane dude lol
/r/seduction30/01/26 02:21 PM
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lol, I honestly imagine the most crazy people writing and upvoting them sort of posts adn find in genuinely embarrassing. Literally zero real world life experience. Just regurgitating was some phoney who writes books told them, and they swallow it whole!! lmao
/r/seduction30/01/26 01:50 PM
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"girls don't care about looks, bro!!!" read it in this very thread and most other threads!!! :)
/r/seduction30/01/26 01:26 PM
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cold approach in large areas like college campuses, you can approach like 100 women and be lucky if you get 2 numbers only for them to flake too. Most of the women will say they have a boyfriend or totally shun you. are you using advanced game?
/r/seduction30/01/26 12:45 PM
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it's like asking if somneone could get so strong with the best workout program, and spending all of his time working out that he coulod destroy a gorilla in a fight. theoretically, people would argue he could But realistically, it's never gonna happen. The best we have is maybee eddie hall or brian shaw or whatever. And he'd not want to fight a silverback!! And the best we have in terms of 'game' are many coaches who have infield and get reejcted a hell of a lot
/r/seduction30/01/26 12:21 PM
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agree
/r/seduction30/01/26 12:03 PM
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take it too an extreme. Do you think Danny devito, without fame, could bang any and every gorgeous young model he approached if he has amazing game?? lol. In reality, he'd be sexually invisible and would never be able to get attraction, even if he did everything exactly by the book
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:29 AM
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it's always a numbers game. On average a pickup coaches will need around 40-100 approaches to get laid on a cold approach. Day or night. Obviously if one is really good looking or he's going for 'easy' girls etc, that can come way down.
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:09 AM
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there's been lots of stuff uploaded on this sub recently. All complete Josh Pellicer roadmap of exactly what to say, gunwitches course, jugglers stuff and a few others No excuse now for everyone on this stub not to be absolutely crushing it with every girl they want!
/r/seduction27/01/26 01:48 PM
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you said you saw 1 in 5 girls that are hot approx. Lets assume it's the same in London lol. Use some math ;) you saw ~5 out of 150 you’d call hot. That’s about 1 in 30. Now drop that same ratio into central London on a Saturday night, where you can easily pass a few thousand young women over an hour between Soho, Shoreditch, Leicester Sq, etc. Even at your ratio, that’s still dozens in an hour
/r/seduction26/01/26 01:34 PM
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What am I missing? You’re comparing airport energy to Saturday-night-in-London energy. In ATL you’re seeing random cross-section humanity: all ages, travel stress, no one dressed to be seen. In central London on a Saturday you’re walking through THOUSANDS of 18–25 year old girls who are out specifically to look good, be social, and be noticed. Hair done, makeup, heels, outfits, groups of girls doing the “we’re out tonight” ritual. Sometimes you'll see a 6 set and they all look like 19 year old m…
/r/seduction26/01/26 01:04 PM
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just not how it works i'm afraid. The very best PUAs on the planet get rejected a fair bit. And will never pull the girls who are clearly unattracted to them despite their skills. It's mostly just marketing. As you say, everyone here knows their techniques But I still prefer cold approach to tinder, pseronally
/r/seduction26/01/26 12:13 PM
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haha. London has hundreds of hot girls in bars/clubs at any one time and on the street in just one part of London. And hundreds of bars. You can do so many approaches in a 6 hour night. WAY more than I tend to do lol Famous London Day gamers like torerro etc could that 50 in an hour! (not over a whole night)
/r/seduction26/01/26 12:10 PM
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How socially uncalibrated does someone have to be to make such an insane number of approaches in such a short period of time? We are talking about COLD approach. NOT waiting for IOI's and only approaching girls who clearly will be receptive etc edit: don't know about the downvotes lol. But social calibration is about how you behave with the girl AFTER the open. Taking hints shes not interested etc. NOT not approaching her in the first place!! This used to be a cold approach sub.
/r/seduction26/01/26 09:46 AM
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they're just using what they learn online from people lIke Todd V and coach Kyle etc. That stuff is everywhere nowdays.
/r/seduction25/01/26 09:37 PM
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true. Social calibration and reading social cues comes in AFTER the approach. Mass approaching isn't uncalibrated. That's just how you find the girls who are into you
/r/seduction24/01/26 07:21 PM
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likewise lmao
/r/seduction24/01/26 04:34 PM
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definitely a true story lol. I mean it's not even much to brag about. And a huge percentage were rejections. My approach to lay ratio never really changed much. Learning 'game' didn't really effect my approach to lay rate. I mean, end of the day, if you open a girl and yo're not her type, your 'game' is irrelevant. But because i massively increased my approach amount I was able to 'find' the girls who liked me So before i'd go out on a friday. Make 4 appraoches. They'd all say 'we're not interet…
/r/seduction24/01/26 09:20 AM
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happens. Lots of guys have stories like that. YOu were just her type. Some guys are very good looking and can get a huge percentagE of girls they approach. (My ex wingman for example was model handsome and could obliterate the results of anything i've seen from a 'dating coach'. But I doubt even he'd call it 'game')
/r/seduction24/01/26 09:18 AM
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two salesmen are working at the same company selling the same product (that clients want to buy). Who do you think sells more, the guy that waits for the phone to ring or the guy that makes 60 cold calls a day?
/r/seduction23/01/26 07:02 PM
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how do your friends do it? Do they do anything different to you or are they just much better looking? But to answer you question, for me it was volume. I actually started getting laid quite a lot at one point because I MASSIVELY increased my volume. I went from years of never getting laid on nights out (and maybe making 4 approaches on them nights) to getting laid most weekends, but making at least 40-50 approaches per night
/r/seduction23/01/26 06:41 PM
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I very much agree. On all counts
/r/seduction21/01/26 10:34 PM
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For pua it’s direct vs indirect crowd It goes even deeper than that the more books you read. They disagree on 'questions vs statements', 'ask her name vs never ask her name'. happy vs serious. I mean, I could just go on and on. Every single tiny nuance of 'game' is in disagreement amongst the guys who write books. What 'works' for one person might not work from someone else. And often what they think 'works' is actually 'working' in spite of the technique. Not because of it (i.e they opened a gi…
/r/seduction21/01/26 06:34 PM
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disagree. Infield from 'pros' shows quite clearly what happens when you open a girl who isn't into you. I cna tell within seconds of an infield whether it'll be a rejection or not
/r/seduction21/01/26 06:28 PM
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there is no 'right'. Every coach/expert disagrees massively with the next 'expert' about literally every single nuance of 'game'. This was drilled into my head early. The first book I read when I began many years ago was the mysterymethod and the 2nd was models. They disagree on every....single...thing lol As long as you are not spitting when you talk or just being super super weird, then you are likely doing it 'right' (certainly according too at least a handful of 'pros'). you walk up, say hi,…
/r/seduction21/01/26 05:04 PM
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it's just about finding the girls who are into you. It's a numbers game. Embrace the randomness
/r/seduction21/01/26 01:41 PM
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lol
/r/seduction19/01/26 09:00 PM
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I only care about the law. I decide what's moral and what isn't for me. As we all do. Age of consent here is 16
/r/seduction19/01/26 08:47 PM
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do'nt be silly lol. That's when they're typically at their prettiest
/r/seduction19/01/26 08:45 PM
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you're half right, but it can be done. You just need to find the young ones who aren't put off by age. It's about volume!! If I told you the age of some of the girls I slept with last year from cold approach i'd probably get downvoted into absolute oblivion (although i'm in the UK and it's legal here!) and i'm in my 30's
/r/seduction19/01/26 07:49 PM
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I'm fine with that definition, although over the years i'm not even sure I agree with the idea of 'maybe girls' anymore, to be honest. (see post above)
/r/seduction18/01/26 11:13 PM
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But not every girl is a hard yes or a hard no out of interest, when you look at a girl on tinder or in a bar or whatever, are some of them 'maybe' to you? e.g you're not sure whether you find them attractive enough to sleep with or not? With me it's a clear 'yes' or 'no'. Never a 'maybe'. I'm never 'uncertain' about whether I find them attractive or not As such, I don't really beleive in the idea of 'maybe girls'. I think a girl puts you into a 'yes' or 'no' pile way before you've finished your …
/r/seduction18/01/26 11:11 PM
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you still don't get it. With 'game' you are able to convert way more of the girls who are attracted to you into sex than if you didn't have any 'game' (where you'd drop the ball). THAT'S where any 'skill' comes in But that doesn't stop cold approach being a numbers game. If you approach a girl and she's not at all attracted to you, jedi level 'game' doesn't help - as we see in infields. There's no 'level' or more knowledge or tech that would help turn teh ship in them situations.
/r/seduction18/01/26 05:08 PM
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it's always a numbers game. Even for the ''pros'' (as we see in infield footage. Especially continuous/uncut/non cherry picked infield). e.g when they open a girl who isn't interested, their 'skills' don't cut any ice whatsoever
/r/seduction18/01/26 10:54 AM
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it's like a neg but super charged. Extremely advanced game. Usually only the sort of tech you learn when taking coaching with a pro PUA. Strong attraction trigger. If the set seems to be going bad, you can fart in your cupped hand and blow it in her face. Now you're back on track!
/r/seduction17/01/26 11:24 PM
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I didn't mean backtracked in terms of how long interaction needs to be as such, but backtracked in terms of admitting that "you can't MAKE a girl attracted to you and that she basically needs to think you are 'attractive' ON SIGHT (how you look)" in order for her to play the game. You're pushpull and qualification and teasing and cold reads won't help with them girls RSDJeffy is the most recent example. His old vids would be all about 'looks don't matter! girls aren't attracted to guys looks. Gi…
/r/seduction17/01/26 09:58 AM
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rather than just plowing through one word answers like old school advice. people used to be brainwashed into thinking they could force attraction in a girl with game tech (pushpull, teasing, negs, self amusement blabala) despite it never actually working I think most people nowadays understand that cold approach is a game of screening. Even many of the super die hard PUA coaches have kind of backtracked quite a lot in recent years and more or less admitted that
/r/seduction16/01/26 08:34 PM
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What I’m realizing is that if I don’t feel the kind of energy I felt with the first girl, it’s probably not worth pursuing correct. And you learn this fast (as it feels amplified) at night time in bars etc. I know within like 2 seconds whether a girl is into me or not and whether it's worth carrying on running game or bailing I can even tell in infields within the same amount of time. I can tell by her reaction to his open whether it will be a rejection or a number/whatever
/r/seduction16/01/26 06:20 PM
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UK - Thousands US - Not that many. Maybe 100. (Canada - which is kind of in between in terms of sociability and friendliness, hundreds) But even putting cold approach aside, there's a drastic difference in how strangers talk and interact between the US states i've been too, and the UK. Night and day
/r/seduction15/01/26 08:16 PM
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If you want half a shot, either only approach girls who look to be tourists in central London (like pro London day gamers), OR get your ass up North. Girls in Newcastle will be a little more like the girls in the US in terms of being friendly and sociable/approachable
/r/seduction15/01/26 08:15 PM
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there’s a ton of material available online and in books. I doubt any of the modern coaches are bringing anything really new exactly. Honestly, everyone knows everything they need to know. Game went mainstream quite a while ago now. YOu can even stumble upon 'pushpull' videos on tiktok and stuff lol. Even kids know it. The issue is that people expect too much from it as if you can do this stuff and MAKE a girl want you, and then get disappointed when it often doesn't work and that hot girl just d…
/r/seduction15/01/26 07:11 PM
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of course. Massively so. Someone like tom torerro claimed one lay per 35 approaches (pretty much always on a tourist looking for adventure or running passport game). BUT he also faked infields. So in my head, I tend to multiply that number by about 3 to get his 'actual' success rate. And that's with apparent world class 'game'
/r/seduction15/01/26 02:40 PM
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famous UK gamers got all of their lays on tourists or via travelling to other countries. There's a reason for that lol (not about hotness. There's actually a tonne of really hot Brit girls. It's more to do with the social aspect. Many Brit girls simply won't give a stranger a chance. it's just the way Brits are. In comparison to US people who actually talk too random people as if it's normal)
/r/seduction15/01/26 01:34 PM
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Yes confidence helps but still if she is not attracted to me even me being in my most confident days won't make enough difference you have your answer. Interestingly, even Jeffy from RSD pretty much admitted this recently (he said ''im not denying attraction has a floor especially on cold approach. Some girls just gonna price you out on sight (looks) and no amount of "game" will override that. '') That's exactly what i've been saying for years! Although i'm sure 10 years ago jeffy would have sai…
/r/seduction13/01/26 09:59 PM
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if it makes you feel better, I got laid on my first ever night in terms of actually making an effort to cold approach girls after reading my first PUA book of hundreds! (I think it was 'magic bullets' lol - I also got nothing but rejection for the next few months though!). Pure luck of course! Approached 2 girls sitting down. Delivered one of the cheesy openers from the book. And it all just took care of itself because she liked me instantly, and she'd just broke up with her boyfriend! I tihnk s…
/r/seduction12/01/26 04:02 PM
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99% of the time even when you get good at it? No matter how 'good' you are, when you approach a girl and she's totally not remtely interested or attracted, then it's over. Infield footage shows this quite clearly overall, tbh If it motivated you I suppose you were believing it and then realised is just the numbers game that does the trick pretty much this, yes. It is most certainly a numbers game!! there's no doubt about that! Ideally you'll find a wingman who is cool and maybe he also wants to …
/r/seduction12/01/26 03:58 PM
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I started to improve my sex life quite a lot since learning all about 'seduction' and 'game' etc, BUT I honestly, truly think that it was more because it got me actually approaching so much! I tihnk the 'techniques' and stuff is mostly pure marketing, bro science nonsense. But I got laid quite a lot because I really dived in and was inspired by all the material and courses i'd consumed (i've read and watched just about everything in existance, tbh!) and if you approach enough, you stumble across…
/r/seduction12/01/26 03:41 PM
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an observation about her if one stands out. Sometime direct. Sometimes a compliment. The words don't really matter much in my experience. What matters is 'is she attracted to you' and the way you deliver the line (appearing confident when you say it)
/r/seduction12/01/26 08:42 AM
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it happens! A girl once pushed me (very fucking hard! lol) after I approached her on the dancefloor off of the back of her almost grinding on me whcih I of course took as an IOI. Told me to 'eww, F off' and pushed me!! haha.
/r/seduction12/01/26 08:41 AM
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attraction is built on tension is very much true, thats why women lose interest if you tell them you like them from the start, no tension, no mystery but don't forget about HALF of PUA coaches would very much disagree (since half the community is very much about 'direct game' and making it crystal clear you wanna bang them straight away). End of the day, both halves of the community get about the same results. That's because everthing 'works' (direct, indirect, playful, serious, whatever) when s…
/r/seduction10/01/26 01:56 PM
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it's a big numbers game. That is all. It's just about finding the girls who are receptive/attracted. You can have PERFECT 'game' and get rejected. (since you're just not her type or whatever). So embrace the numbers game The hottest girl I ever pulled was after a night of rejections from girls who were nowhere near as hot as her lol. That memory often keeps me approaching on nights where it's just pure rejection despite having brilliant game and where it logically feels correct to just stop the …
/r/seduction10/01/26 01:21 PM
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agree. On all counts.
/r/seduction09/01/26 04:10 PM
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daygamers like tom torerro etc CLAIMED one lay per 35 approaches from memory. (using extremely 'advanced game') - But he was also exposed to fake infields etc. So i'm guessing he was lying his ass off about them numbers, too, tbh! (not to mention most of their success came from either tourists or geomaxxing). You can probably treble that number for his 'actual' success (so maybe one lay per 100 approaches or so) end of the day, the actual 'metric' isn't one to worry about. I mean, lets say you a…
/r/seduction09/01/26 01:14 PM
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which is why it things matter and also the girls you go for. Lets see how danny devito, without fame, gets on cold approaching 18 year old cheerleaders lol. He's a charasmiatic guy! I imagine he'd get nothing from 1000 approaches. And his 'game' wouldn't be the issue lol
/r/seduction08/01/26 06:22 PM
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That number is telling that something is wrong with how you’re doing things not necessarily. If you're not her type, you're not her type. Bit like saying too a tiny guy with elite level boxing skills who keeps losing at boxing to guys pro fighters built Like anthony joshua 'there must be something wrong with your boxing skills' lol
/r/seduction08/01/26 04:42 PM
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pretty sure max and owen were at juliens wedding.
/r/seduction08/01/26 02:08 PM
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the actual 'metric' isn't one to worry about. I mean, lets say you are 60 and you only approach absolutely beautiful 18-21 year olds. YOu could have the BEST 'game' on planet earth and get rejected 1000 times in a row and then get laid with number 1001 Or you could have very average game, but you are tall and handsome with a chiseled jaw, 26, and you mainly approach average girls around your age. You could literally get laid on like 75% of approaches
/r/seduction08/01/26 02:04 PM
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For what it's worth, I banged one of the hottest girls of my life back when I was really quite depressed and very socially anxious (embarrassingly so! The girl I ended up banging even saw me basically run away from her once as I just didn't want to deal with socialising. Literally ran up the stairs in my parents house!! lol) I think she just thought I was 'hot' If you're really top tier physically as you say you are (handsome face, tall etc) then I think you'll do just fine! The whole 'having yo…
/r/seduction07/01/26 08:24 PM
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true. infields prove all of this well enough that there's no need debating it, really! good game is about closing all the girls who want you without messing up. Not magically MAKING them attracted with 'game', which never works if there's no baseline attraction. again, as infields of coaches who dedicate their lives to this show
/r/seduction06/01/26 06:38 PM
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it's uncommon. i.e it only happens to very good looking dudes etc. I have a very good looking friend, and he's always getting blatantly checked out in bars and sometimes even approached. In places like gas stations etc, the girl working will always try to flirt as he's paying for his gas etc
/r/seduction06/01/26 05:28 PM
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no. Not if she wasn't attracted to him. He could use pushpull and disqualification and stuff, but it's like bringing a knife too a gun fight against genuine lust/attraction that your good looking friend has your friend would destroy just about every PUA coach in existance lol
/r/seduction06/01/26 05:10 PM
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dating coach!! Ideal! Seems like everyone is one nowadays too lol.
/r/seduction04/01/26 10:24 AM
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even a pushpull line?!!!
/r/seduction31/12/25 08:24 PM
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good job. On to the next. Whether the bf is real or not is irrelevant. Either he's real so she's not interested, or she's not interested so she makes one up!
/r/seduction30/12/25 04:53 PM
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Don’t. Go on YouTube and get all the “advise” You would pay for yep. People seem to think there's 'secret' lines and tricks and knowledge that you will only get told about by a 'coach' and in person lol. It's ALL been out there for years and years in books and youtube etc. the same stuff he'll 'teach' you. Hell, nowadays it's all mainstream and all the same stuff the coaches will teach you are all over tiktok!! lol And of course it's of VERY limited use/power. Otherwise every guy out there would…
/r/seduction29/12/25 07:13 PM
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this. It's really stupidly easy IF you are her type and she is attracted to you If she's not remotely attracted to you and you're nothing like her type, then the 'coaches' themselves can't help you. They also get rejected in them circumstances. (despite their claims that are shown as BS when you see them in infield lol) it's just a numbers game. It's not complicated
/r/seduction29/12/25 06:13 PM
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i learnt after years that it's irrelevant. both will work brilliantly or fail miserably, depending on whether she is attracted to you or not
/r/seduction26/12/25 08:21 PM
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be her type. Say hi. Ask her some questions and make it clear you're attracted to her. Done. I'ts pretty easy. 'Coaches' make it sound like rocket science to get $$$ from people
/r/seduction26/12/25 07:59 PM
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Has anyone else had success with being this direct with erotic verbals? Looking for feedback on my approach. of course. Cold approahc is all about playing the numbers until you find the girl who tihnks you are hot/good looking. And when you find her, whatever you say will basically work. And so there's nothing wrong with being super direct, really
/r/seduction26/12/25 02:26 PM
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lol
/r/seduction25/12/25 03:00 PM
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it's not a metric worth worrying about I mean, lets say you are 60 and you only approach absolutely beautiful 18-21 year olds. YOu could have the BEST 'game' on planet earth and get rejected 1000 times in a row and then get laid with number 1001 Or you could have very average game, but you are tall and handsome with a chiseled jaw, 26, and you mainly approach average girls around your age. You could literally get laid on like 75% of approaches Tom torerro and The famous London day gamers used to…
/r/seduction25/12/25 02:59 PM
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Everything I'm giving is free just teach it here then. Give us the openers, transitions, techniques (with examples) to make a girl who tihnks yiou are ugly wanna bang you there and then ona cold approach
/r/seduction24/12/25 11:19 PM
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this is called 'diarrhea' dhv - advanced game. Can turn a hard 'no girl' into a yes girls. Usually only coaches tell you this after payment
/r/seduction23/12/25 09:40 PM
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puhspull: 'yo'ure kinda cute. Too bad you're not my type' that's supposed ot be a STRONG attraction building line as per the coaches. Could be worth a shot
/r/seduction22/12/25 05:15 PM
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verbal game is the easy bit. Anyone can say 'you look like trouble' or use a pushpull line or qualificaiton or whatever they learnt from todd v. It's about attraction. That's what his friend has. Attraction.
/r/seduction21/12/25 06:41 PM
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'game' is just flirting and pushpull and stuff. It's not gonna MAKE a girl want you. I'ts mainstream. Everyone knows the stuff in the books and that the 'coaches' teach Don't think about trying to 'compete' with someone who is very good looking. Using 'pushpull' against a guy who has girls checking him out is like bringing a butter knife too a gun fight lol
/r/seduction21/12/25 05:23 PM
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yeah, there's always exceptions. A realy good looking dude who is 6ft 5 can't lose. He'll pull almost any girl he wants. 'game' or not 'game'. He'd destroy all of these 'dating coaches' lol. Blood bath
/r/seduction21/12/25 04:37 PM
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times have changed a lot. It often obviously varies by area and especially country, but here in the UK it's like strangers don't speak and have NO interest in speaking to one lol. They go out with their 'group' and are glued together. Same as other other 'groups'. There was a thread by guys who worked in bars and clubs on the uk sub reddit who spoke about how it's all changed before his eyes over the years. Got super bad after covid, but he said even a few years before covid it seemed like hooki…
/r/seduction21/12/25 09:34 AM
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there's nothing new under the sun. 'game' is just trying to reverse engineer the behaviour of a confident guy But the issue (and the reason eve the coaches get rejected so so much in uncut infield, and why they are always re-inventing the wheel) is because even if you succeed in making her believe you are 'confident' is isn't enough if she doesn't think you are hot. This was highlighted nicely in an infield I saw last week where after sort of dismissing the guy she was like 'i'll say this. You a…
/r/seduction21/12/25 09:20 AM
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I'm close to triple digits, but I honestly stopped giving a damn about my 'count' at about maybe 8 or so. At that point, for me personally, the excitment at the number getting bigger went away. And I realised it's just a number that either people don't believe, only guys care about, and that anyone can just lie about anyway! lol. I'd have been fine with each new lay never adding to my 'count' after 8 At this point, i'd lose no sleep if my 'count' was reduced back to 5, and it was tattood on my h…
/r/seduction21/12/25 12:01 AM
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> It’s just about not being weird and the girl finding you attractive THIS! whether it's 'modern game' or 'mysterymethod' or anything in between,, that's what it comes down too everyone copes so hard with waht 'method' is the best, and with 'pushpull' and all of this other 'tech'. It does NOT help if she isn't attracted to you. As we've seen in a million infields lol. So it comes down to 1/not being a COMPLETE social retard who literally is completely unable to make eye contact for example and w…
/r/seduction20/12/25 06:43 PM
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you can't MAKE girls like you/attracted to you, unfortunately. (people have tested 'game' adn pushpull etc to death at this point with it going mainstream, and we still have more sexless guys than ever lol) Just gotta keep playing the numbers and approaching/meetings girls until you find the ones who do. And trust me. they're out there!
/r/seduction19/12/25 01:43 PM
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like warm.....apple....pie
/r/seduction14/12/25 10:15 AM
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don't tell the dating coaches this story!! girls are supposed to be blind, don't approach, and CERTAINLY don't care about a guys looks :)
/r/seduction14/12/25 09:14 AM
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numbers game. They likely were NOT lesbians. It's just something gilrs say nowadays as a way to stop you from trying to flirt with them etc
/r/seduction13/12/25 09:59 AM
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it's a numbers game, my man. You just keep approaching and see who's interetsed. (single girls who like how you look and who vibe with your personality, basically). If you saw the 'success rate' of the coaches, it would put your mind at ease. They get similar results to you you can read millions of books about 'techniques' etc, but it ain't gonna change your results. 'pushpull' on a girl who isn't at all attracted to you will still be a rejeciton, for example
/r/seduction12/12/25 10:49 AM
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the only main forum left is sosuave, I think. But times have changed and so the discussions won't be the same if that's what you want. Nobody believes in the 'tech' anymore. e.g the idea of saying the 'right words' and 'techniques' to make her attracted to you. Even the MODS on forums like sosuave don't teach or acklowlege that stuff anymore. Too many people have tested it to death and came to the conclusion that it's just a tiny piece of the puzzle The forums now will tell you to concentrate on…
/r/seduction11/12/25 07:28 PM
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daygame mastery is like £80 on amazon?! not worth that! I probably have it somewhere and will get it for you for cheaper lol Probably the same for the other stufff, too
/r/seduction11/12/25 03:49 PM
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Any games, tricks, techniques, methods or whatever don't work. sexual connections aren't a shallow concept or a video game to decode. you can't force a woman to act in a certain way with surface actions, texts or words Even 'puspull' lines/teasing ???!!!!! :)
/r/seduction10/12/25 08:27 AM
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People stress about the opener but it's the least important bit. Anything is basically fine. If you open a girl and she ignores you or whatever, it's almost certainly NOT because your opener was 'bad'. It's just because you're not her type/she's not the sort of girl to talk to random guys/she's in a bad mood/whatever/a combination of them things I could give you some lines/openers, but know that that for each line, in some isntances they've lead too a solid interaction and even a lay, in with ot…
/r/seduction09/12/25 10:05 PM
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yeah, it's ok. Don't pay full price tohugh! they want like $400 or some shit. Crazy. You can find it for like 100 ish
/r/seduction09/12/25 09:34 PM
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ok, I see what's happening now From your framework, walking away early doesn't count as rejection. From my framework, it does (because it's an approach that failed to convert intoo anything romantic). So you're not missing my point exactly — you're answering a different question than the one you’re asking. So yeah, ur basically agreeing with me without realizing it. think we’re actually saying similar things but using different definitions of “rejection.” You’re talking about avoiding explicit n…
/r/seduction09/12/25 09:16 PM
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You seem to be assuming that you have the exact same level of looks, In the same body it's hard to discuss this with you as you have some reading comprhension issues which mean I have to re-explain everything lol yes, as already stated earlier, in this example me and owen look identical! we both pull the girls who find US attractive
/r/seduction09/12/25 08:13 PM
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no it wouldn't. In the example we look identical going for the exact same girls. We both close the girls who like us. (since we both have attraction and need just enough 'game' to lead her to sex) We both get rejected by the ones who don't (since our game wouldn't help with them girils). Our success would be just about identical
/r/seduction09/12/25 07:32 PM
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yes. In the same body on the same girls, our results would be almost identical (we both have game which means we'd both have a good chance of closing teh girls who are attracrted to us. And we'd both go home alone if we opened a girl who wasn't at all attracted)
/r/seduction09/12/25 07:02 PM
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You’re bringing in early receptivity (and pre engamgement) as a filter, which subtly changes the point. I wasn’t talking about quickly screening interest — I was talking about rejection that can still happen after the interaction is actually solid. That’s a different claim. You shifted the argument from “can rejection still happen despite good game?” to “you can reduce rejection by screening interest faster.” Those aren’t the same point.
/r/seduction09/12/25 06:45 PM
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I used to do maybe 40 per night (fri adn say night) Felt good if i got laid and bad If I got rejefted all night lol. It's just a numbres game
/r/seduction09/12/25 05:59 PM
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zero PRACTICAL/ACTIONABLE advice (what to say in interaction on cold approache tc) it sounds like AI too The sub is just AI and coaches talking too each other lol
/r/seduction09/12/25 05:54 PM
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how much are they charging for the hotseat mastermind? were you gonna buy it?
/r/seduction09/12/25 03:06 PM
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there's lot of him sitting down showing clips, some of his coaching, and some of his interactions, There's a fair bit more footage from memory. You see him getting shot down a fair bit. You see him get some makes outs which are a bit 'sneaky' as he's using his girflriend to help but kind of pretends he doesn't know her to his audience lol. THe whole prodict must be a good 6 hours or so from memory. Mermory is slighlty hazy tbh. I remember thinking it was quite good. I have it on an old laptop so…
/r/seduction09/12/25 02:49 PM
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it's really just more of the same. I remember the infields you are referring too. It's a fun product to watch, but it's not gonna turn you into a stud as of course no coaching or course or anything will!). Owen, just like all coaches are simply playing a numbers game. Approach lots of girls, When one eventually is receptive, upload the infield and look cool
/r/seduction09/12/25 02:29 PM
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You're right that it's not complicated. It's about approaching until you approach the girl who is attracted to you. From that point you just need to show your interest, verbally and physically. Always be leading. Escalating.
/r/seduction07/12/25 11:08 AM
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You don't really need a book. just google 'PUA pushpull' and 'PUA openers', PUA qualificaiton', and 'PUA disqualificaiton' and 'PUA cold read' and you'll get actual, practical lines, that are from all of the various books and that's basically 95% of what them books contain in terms of what to actually say and how to 'build attraction' that you can go out and test. (but do'nt get your hopes up. Pushpull for example on a girl who isn't attracted to you won't end with you in her bed lol)
/r/seduction06/12/25 02:05 PM
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I have my own stricter list, personally. 4 or 5 names on there. One being norwegian
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:34 PM
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likewise. It's all good. Agree to disagree lol
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:26 PM
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Disagree
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:06 PM
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Smile, walk up and just ask if she wants to grab a coffee or some dinner some time. so easy! Why do people read tonnes of books about it?? :)
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:51 AM
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If you're gonna listen to anyone on this thread, listen to this man. /u/norwegiandoggo is the only person to listen too on this sub. He knows his stuff but he's not gonna BS people with fantasy nonsense. 'game' has a very real ceiling in terms of how useful it is
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:49 AM
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it's not a metric worth worrying about I mean, lets say you are 60 and you only approach absolutely beautiful 18-21 year olds. YOu could have the BEST 'game' on planet earth and get rejected 1000 times in a row and then get laid with number 1001 Or you could have very average game, but you are tall and handsome with a chiseled jaw, 26, and you mainly approach average girls around your age. You could literally get laid on like 75% of approaches Tom torerro and The famous London day gamers used to…
/r/seduction06/12/25 10:42 AM
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I am a girl ans ai would physically repulse at most of these unless you are extremelyyyy good looking. you must be new here! girls don't care about a guys looks at all. "girls aren't visual" Are you saying the coaches have lied too us?!!! :)
/r/seduction05/12/25 01:51 PM
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seen many in person, too. Honestly, it's a pointless argument. I've seen enough proof to know the obvious. Which is that you can't use your 'attraction material' to make a girl attracted. It's beyond obvious in terms of the proof we've all seen over decades! It's not even a debate at this point.
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:50 AM
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whoever you are talking about, assuming they are remotely 'known', i'm well aware of them
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:41 AM
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Disagree. I've seen many pros in action. Live. It's not impressive. Same game as everyone else. (approach until you find a girl who is super recetptive. then have enough game to pull/not mess up)
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:35 AM
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pros seduce teh girls who want to be seduced by them. It's not really an 'ability' as such. It's not hard
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:06 AM
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A lof ot it got banned and channels deleted after teh BBC expose (street attraction taking the brunt of it) For a few months after, 'infield footage' wasn't uploaded, but slowly people started uploading it without issues and now, as far as I see, there's no difference from before the cull! The only difference is taht there just isn't the interest and stuff in 'game' anymore. People stopped believing in it on masse.
/r/seduction05/12/25 10:20 AM
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I think it's probably 'both' if you actually pay for it. (e.g you'd have access to the vids on site and probably also the option to download them to your PC or whatever) I had someone send me all the files though.
/r/seduction01/12/25 06:05 PM
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he's never had a single infield. Do'nt listen to him. Fraud. He'd have zero chance pulling hot girls on a night out
/r/seduction01/12/25 06:04 PM
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what book specifically? I could probably summarise it for you into a few paragraphs after removing all of the usual waffle and save you the time. Then you can go out and test it. But don't get too excited and expect any tehcnique or whatever to give you some sort of magic power to 'seduce' girls
/r/seduction30/11/25 01:06 PM
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downloaded it ages ago. It's as good as any other, but i'd never pay money for it, tbh. Everyone already knows all they need to know and aren't gonna learn any super powerful secrets in coaching or books or products, because they do'nt exist. Walk up to girls, be self amused and curious about her. See if she's receptive/attracted or not. Should be obvious very fast. If she is, escalate. If she's not, move on to the next girl
/r/seduction30/11/25 12:54 PM
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what book? I could probably summarise it for you into a few paragraphs after removing all of the usual waffle. Then you can go out and test it. But don't get too excited and expect any tehcnique or whatever to give you some sort of magic power to 'seduce' girls lol
/r/seduction30/11/25 11:46 AM
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clever move in the old days. Maybe up to 2018 or so. Not worth it now. People are wise too it
/r/seduction30/11/25 11:12 AM
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If you cold approach anywhere in the world you will get rejected %70-80 of the time anyways. even with pushpull/game? The coaches tell me if I 'learn game', then a rejection is basically because I just didn't do it correctly?
/r/seduction30/11/25 10:20 AM
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it doesn't work for john either lmao. Check out his infields! It's impossible to 'do it wrong' too lol. It's so easy (can i meet you real quick, thought you were cute, how tall are you, i'm a DJ, do you like grey goose vodka?, we're having a party in a minute. Bring your friends'. end )
/r/seduction29/11/25 06:20 PM
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I think “choosing signals” are kind of overrated. There’s way too much content about that on YouTube lately I've noticed an explosion on 'choosing signals' vids and stuff, too. I think it's because it's kind of common knowledge now that you can't seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced BY YOU. And so if you always go in cold and do'nt wait for a choosing signal for example, then you can literally get rejected 100 times in a row even if you know about pushpull and every other PUA concept and…
/r/seduction29/11/25 05:52 PM
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i've been out in person with maybe 5 coaches and i've never been that impressed. In fairness, most DID come across as confident etc, but they all still got rejected a lot and, if he wasn't the girls type, his pushpull and 'game' didn't work. I feel like i'm about as good as any coach out there for example (e.g we'd get very similar results in each others body on cold approach) What coaches are you talking about out of interest?
/r/seduction29/11/25 04:16 PM
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OK, So you're mostly right. There are dating coaches (and guys on subs like this) who get laid. Now, that alone doesn't tell you much. Some of them are just really good looking dudes and girls throw themselves at them. But they call it a 'skill'. Others are banging girls who you really probably wouldn't b remotely jealous of or even want. Some are guys who maybe ARE banging girls out of their league, BUT it takes them hundreds and hundreds of approaches before he lands one. The issue is that eve…
/r/seduction29/11/25 03:32 PM
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Does he have infield?
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:41 AM
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pretty much all of the coaches are frauds so i'm not saying this to try to push someone else, but man, john anthony has gotta be about the worst of them! His history/criminal charges suggest someone who needs to force girls to be intimate! His infields are amongst the worst i've seen. (creeps the gils out. Almost never any actual 'attraction' from the girls! His 'system' is a system of how to get a group of girls to come too a party for free vodka!). The leaked texts from his ex business partner…
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:39 AM
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you can learn it all from watching a handful of infields from some of the bigger names. Basically just cold reads ("you look like you work in fashion") or wahtever. And ''pushpull'' (you're quite nice. Shame about the fake nails'' etc). Also, telling a girl she's 'trouble'. This is SO common in infields that it's been noticed by girls themselves. I saw some 'meme' type posts on facebook last week where girls talked about how guys chat them up, ALso, you can download just about any pickup guid fo…
/r/seduction28/11/25 04:08 PM
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with apps you 'match' with girls who think you are hot. It's pretty easy to get them girls in bed. You have the all important attraction With cold approach, you might be appraoching only girls who DON'T think you are hot (in which case, 'game' won't work). So you'd need to MASSIVELY increase your volume like the coaches do
/r/seduction28/11/25 03:03 PM
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exactly!
/r/seduction28/11/25 02:10 PM
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it's not exactly a mind blowing concept, but yeah. If you wanna keep banging girls who are way way 'hotter' than you, with a very good hit rate, then you'll basically need hella money or fame lol. I've spent time with lots of dating coaches, and the ones who get laid a lot (because they approach in serious VOLUME!!) are not banging the girls who you'd be super jealous of, tbh. Not that they're banging absolute whales or anything, but their results are just a matter of using 'volume' (not some my…
/r/seduction28/11/25 02:04 PM
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some girls will think you are 'ugly' if you have wrinkles and a receding hairline etc, so with THEM girls, it's over before it began
/r/seduction28/11/25 12:23 PM
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All the hot young ones have like 10 thousand + simps on insta and have self esteem and confidence through the roof as a result haha
/r/seduction28/11/25 11:41 AM
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Well, how young are you going for? It shouldn't be news to you that it's gonna be EXTREMELY hard to bang hot 18 year olds if you are in your 40's!! I mean, there's a reason that only happens easily for good looking celebs and stuff! Why do you think so many 40+ year olds pay for onlyfans of these 18 year olds lol. Because they know they wouldn't have a shot in real life! But if you just want 'younger' then you're not screwed. e.g if you hit the gym and work on your looks and fashion etc, then yo…
/r/seduction28/11/25 10:56 AM
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I think you're gonna get gaslit to hell in this post from dating coaches who will tell you absolutely nonsense lol (them coaches are gonna downvote me to hell haha. Tonnes of them on here nowadays. More 'coaches' than posters lol) I'll give it to you real. Trust your damn eyes and your experience. Not scammers. Do you know loads of 50 year olds banging hot 18 year olds? What happens when you notice an old guy hit on a girl less than half her age? Does it work? Here's the thing. For a lot of girl…
/r/seduction28/11/25 09:46 AM
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this is a great side hustle for everyone here, tbh! That's nice money to make in a few days. I tihnk about doing this in London and coaching people
/r/seduction27/11/25 05:03 PM
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pushpull. "You're hot. Too bad you're not my type"
/r/seduction27/11/25 01:15 PM
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it's only one girl and they're not all like that, but I guess over time there's been a bit of a trend. I mean, nowadays, EVERY pretty girl is kind of like a mini celebrity. They all have many 'fans' on their insta etc and it surely makes them feel quite full of themselves. I think it's just an effect of smart phones and social media
/r/seduction25/11/25 08:26 PM
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Either way, when a girl likes you, you are funny even when you're not. When a girl is not interested, you are not funny even if you are. exactly!! and this applies to 'game' and cold approach in general! That's why everything 'works' and nothing 'works'! pushpull works great when you open a girl who thinks you're hot. It doesn't help at all and make her want to bang you if she doesn't. There's a million other examples, but I think you're one of the few here who 'get it' lol
/r/seduction25/11/25 06:29 PM
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you can test the advice very easily. (pushpull etc). But at opinionthink said, you can do it all perfectly, but it doesn't guarantee any of it will work. In reality, game is just the tiny bit of icing on the top. Not much more than that.
/r/seduction24/11/25 08:46 PM
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nah. Like having a bath with your socks on
/r/seduction24/11/25 01:35 PM
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yes, Julien in particalar was always thought of as one of the very best. But i've seen all of his premium products etc and he used to post lots of actual 'rejection compilations;. Sometimes many from the same night. It's not like his 'game' was bad or different in them sets. It's that 'game' isn't black magic lol. If julien, or anyone else, approaches a girl and she isn't attracted to him (and she knows within about half a second) then it'll be a 'rejection'
/r/seduction24/11/25 08:33 AM
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they get rejected about as much as anyone here. But they can cherry pick their good infields and post them as if that's how every approach goes Some coaches used to actually be brave enough to 'stream' uncut, continuous infields (simplepickup, RSDMax done it once, evolutiondaily and a few others). What it showed was that if they appraoch a girl who isn't attracted, his 'game' is useless. None of the coaches can literally force a girl to be attracted. ONly people who claim this mystical skill are…
/r/seduction24/11/25 08:26 AM
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physical appearance is nowhere as important for them as it is for men I'd say it's more important, personally. In fact, evne just a minute ago a video came on my facebook feed of this girl trying ot set people up at an event, and in just about every clip, the guy was like 'yeahm, she's pretty enough. I'll date her!' and the girls were nearly always like 'No!' AVOID! Too old looking. Big nose' etc etc lol But yeah, agree to disagree on that point. I mean, infield footage of pro dating coaches con…
/r/seduction23/11/25 07:03 PM
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I'm only talking about cold approach. My bad. I agree that if you matched a girl on tinder (so she swiped right and liked what she saw) and you then always fail, then i'd say it's a game issue But very different for cold approach. You could approach brilliantly and have the best game in the world, but if you're not her 'type' (e.g she doesn't think you're hot at all) then you're dead in the water
/r/seduction23/11/25 06:32 PM
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When I used to experiment and test everything, all I learnt is that most things 'work' when you open a girl who is into you, and nothing 'works' when you're totally not her type, and so I don't really care about that anymore and I think it's mostly just an excuse for coaches to rip people off lol. The coaches tend to have less success than me, tbh
/r/seduction23/11/25 02:44 PM
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When someone gets rejected, it's not usually because they're doing something 'wrong'. I mean, look at how differently even various coaches run 'game'! They disagree on everything lol It's usually just because you're not her type. SHe's not attracted to you. You can't 'fix' that. Unless you are spitting when you talk, asking absolutely insane questions, only talking about your pokemon collection etc (e.g you're super odd) than it's very unlikely anything that you done 'wrong' It's a numbers game
/r/seduction23/11/25 10:38 AM
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obviously. Or you can just use 'pushpull' (just kidding lol)
/r/seduction23/11/25 10:33 AM
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but the approach is very different not always. My ex wingman was really handsome and he got approached by horny girls non stop! Sometimes they'd be way more forward than the guy making this post was! We can feel the desperation. I guess the last girl who he made out with didn't
/r/seduction22/11/25 06:15 PM
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women approach men too, you know lol
/r/seduction22/11/25 06:08 PM
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9% grifters trying to sell their "coaching services." and them guys also don't get laid! That's the more important bit lol. I've seen lots of coaches in Person in London. Their hit rate is horrific. yet their claims of how poweful their game is that they will teach you (pushpull etc) is spoken about like it's mind control and they can bang whoever they want lol
/r/seduction22/11/25 01:33 PM
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it's possible he done everything perfectly. Girls aren't computer programs lol. I mean, if he is 66 and obese and he's hitting on 18 year old college stunners, then his 'game' could have been absolute God like but he could still easily have 700 rejections
/r/seduction22/11/25 11:41 AM
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stick around and you'll see even funnier claims lol. Random redditors apparently able to do what no 'known' PUA has ever been able to do and literally 'turn' hard 'no's into 'yes's' lol. Effectively meaning one has a 100% approach to lay ratio lol. Oh, and he usually claims to be a 5ft dude or something too!! lol. It's so funny to me. End of the day, we have a good idea of what's possible with infeild footage. (which shows that 'game' is really just to help you close girls who are attracted to y…
/r/seduction22/11/25 11:37 AM
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The London daygamers used to say 1 lay for 35 approaches. BUT you can probably triple that number bearing in mind most of them got exposed to be faking infields and stuff lol. (meaning they likely massively lie about their success rate, too) It all just depends on how hot you are, how hot she is in comparison, your age, and to some extent your location It's a numbers game and different for everyone. I mean, my ex wingman looked like a male model, and even though he rarely approached (didn't need…
/r/seduction22/11/25 11:26 AM
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London
/r/seduction19/11/25 10:34 PM
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coaches and stuff will always tell you that men never get approached and that 'GiRls aRen't viSUal' etc (lol) but in the real world, of course they are 'visual'. And in a night game setting (bars etc) you can expect to get hit on a LOT if you are good looking, (these 'coaches' make up absolutely insane things because the truth hurts their bottom line lol) Never happened to me much, but my ex wingman was a VERY handsome guy, and he got approached around 5 or 6 times per night on average when we w…
/r/seduction19/11/25 09:36 PM
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it's about volume. Everyone has done 'puspull' and every other pua 'trick' to death at this point. You simply can't MAKE a girl attracted. Game went mainstream a long time ago I actually saw something funny on facebook yesterday on my feed. Some girl I don't even follow (guess it's just the algo) popped up on my feed and it was like 'guys, please save yourself the time', and she went on to list all the things she hears every night she goes out. It's all the stuff PUA's advise lol. She said 'you …
/r/seduction19/11/25 06:15 PM
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tbh, whether it's a cold approach or on the app, she still needs to be physically attracted to you. It's all a similar game to me, personally
/r/seduction19/11/25 02:08 PM
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it's way more efficient. Night game cold approach is about approaching a girl and finding out if she thinks you are hot or not. If she does, escalate and close But online you can do that a TONNE of times in a singal minute and just keep swiping! And when you get a match you know she is attracted. I'm personally a night game guy, but I totally see why someone would just use online nowadays. It's basically the same thing. I mean, if you approach in person and she's not attracted to you, it's over.…
/r/seduction19/11/25 01:35 PM
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i've experimented with both so much, and I think it's irrelevant. She either thinks you're hot or she doesn't lol. both work well if you're her type. Both will result in you going home alone if you're NOT her type and she's not attracted to you
/r/seduction18/11/25 08:26 PM
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It's all similar to me. If I meet a girl who is very attracted to me, then a same night lay is easy, and a same day lay is just about as easy, but logistics can be an issue. Most day gamers get their same day lays on tourists. Bored girls looking for adventure. All the famous London day gamers got about 90% of their success either with tourists in London, or by travelling to touristy countries Cold approach is just a big numbers game where you are tyring to find girls who are attracted to you. W…
/r/seduction17/11/25 08:22 PM
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they would not have been interested in his 'DVH's lol. trust me
/r/seduction17/11/25 01:17 PM
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Most of the time when you apparoach a girl and you're not her type, it's not that bad. It's just a completely one way convo. She will basically ignore you. Even if you use pushpull and cold reads lol I've had a few rough ones. One time I remember a girl pushed me really hard when I tried to dance with her as I mistakenly thought she was giving me signals haha A friend of mine approached these 2 absolute stunners a few weeks back who were sitting in the beer garden. Both like 18. Looked like mode…
/r/seduction17/11/25 08:06 AM
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you could have banged them both after they told you to go away if you used a 'pushpull' line! only kidding Don't worry about it. Night game can bring out a girls very hostile, rude side. It's just the nature of the game. Even a very polite approach on a girl you've never met can, and will get a 'fukk off, you're ugly!!' from time to time. Even for the 'pros'. Cold approach is a NUMBERS GAME. You are hoping too approach a girl who is 1/attracted to you, and 2/sociaable with strangers and friendly…
/r/seduction16/11/25 06:22 PM
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You're both kind of right but there's a bit too unpack. You're talking about a date. A date is a bit different from cold approach. On a cold approach, you can do everything perfectly, exactly as it says in the books, and get rejected 100 times in a row. If you're not her type, no pushpull etc is gonna help. We read FR's here all the time of guys doing it exactly as the book they read told them to do and they get shot down all night long. pushpull and technique doesn't make up for a complete lack…
/r/seduction16/11/25 10:20 AM
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everyone is on here selling BS, tbh lol. They want to sell the idea that you can use 'game' (lines and techniques etc) to literally MAKE girl attracted to you, as if 'pushpull' is jedi mond control lol, and it's the biggest load of nonsense lol. But there's enough morons out there to shell out quite a lot of money so it'll probably never stop None of these guys even get laid, tbh. I'm pretty sure. People like 'Dan Bacon' etc. Or chase amante. Or many others. Never even had a freaking infield lol…
/r/seduction13/11/25 07:51 PM
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yes! This is what famous playboy 'George Best' taught me lol
/r/seduction13/11/25 08:37 AM
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the people who claim this never before seen skill that no professionals any of us actually know can get close to doing, never tend to be able to elaborate with concrete examples and just disappear when you ask that sort of question. You can guess why!! :) its like someone telling you they can lift more than the KNOWN world record for deadlift haha
/r/seduction13/11/25 07:56 AM
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this never happens tbh. Check out some infield footage from teh world best. When they open a girl who is clearly super not interested, she don't care about how self amused you are, or your push-pull lines etc. It just delays the rejection. As they say 'one can't negotiate attraction'
/r/seduction12/11/25 08:15 PM
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100 ish But it doesn't necessarily effect your success at all. Don't forget that. You can feel VERY comfortable, and have the best 'game' (using all the pushpull theories etc) and get rejected all night long. This isn't a computer game lol. Its about finding the girls who are attracted to you, more or less
/r/seduction12/11/25 06:18 PM
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She probably thought you didn't try very hard so stopped showing interest what happened to 'girls chase guys who don't show too much interest and ignore guys who try hard?''. haha. In truth, both sayings are nonsense. It's just all about whether she is attracted to yoiu or not
/r/seduction12/11/25 05:32 PM
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In the real world, cold approach is about screening. Not conversion. Nobody is out there turning blatant 'no's' into a 'yes'. I guarantee!!!
/r/seduction12/11/25 02:05 PM
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Her appearance, alongside her character you got it
/r/seduction05/11/25 08:01 AM
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honestly, my apologies but that's way too long for me to even read. adhd on my part maybe! All i'll say is that girls can give very mixed signals and it reminded me of a VERY hot girl I ended up banging from work a year or so back. She gave me mild interest in person. I sensed possible attraction and so DM'd her. We began flirting online. She was coming on pretty hard. But then, when i'd see her at work I kinda felt like she wasn't attracted to me at all!! But then she's flirt online again. Repe…
/r/seduction04/11/25 07:09 PM
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everyone who actually approaches and doesn't just write seduction books or keyboard jockey knows you can't literally force any girl you want to be attracted to you and change a clear 'no' into a 'yes' Game is about screening and finding the girls who want to be seduced by you it's literally impossible to turn a legit/hard 'no' into a 'yes'. It's funny because not only is it the most obvious thing in the world, but infield from PRO'S proves it! yet you get completely unknown annonymous morons on …
/r/seduction04/11/25 05:49 PM
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it's literally impossible to turn a legit/hard 'no' into a 'yes'. It's funny because not only is it the most obvious thing in the world, but infield from PRO'S proves it! yet you get completely unknown annonymous morons on sedddit telling you they do it all the time lol. it's like someone online telling you he can run the 100m sub 9.5 seconds :). You say, 'even the top professionals can't do that?!'. He's like 'limiting belief!!!' lol just ignore them. Better yet, TEST it! Go up too a girl who i…
/r/seduction04/11/25 05:48 PM
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what makes you attracted too a girl??
/r/seduction04/11/25 05:34 PM
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I've had lots of lays/one night stands from bars and night game cold approach has made up a huge percentage of my lays BUT, even i'd admit that it's tough and honestly, I feel it getting harder and harder with each passing year. That could be because i'm getting older/'uglier' and still go for the same young girls lol Or it could be to do with the slowly changing culture. There's seemingly a bit of a 'gender war' that you can't help but notice if you read the comments of a random pic about datin…
/r/seduction01/11/25 06:11 PM
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sales pitch lol
/r/seduction31/10/25 11:19 AM
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not personally. But lots of coaches say there;s no excuse not to be. e.g a rejection is just a weakness in your game that needs to be improved
/r/seduction30/10/25 08:13 PM
1

You’re not going to have a perfect batting average with cold approach I've heard that called a 'limiting belief' lol. e.g as long as you have proper 'game', you can get every and any girl using pushpull etc
/r/seduction30/10/25 06:37 PM
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apparently "women aren't visual" (lol) so I wouldn't worry about it
/r/seduction30/10/25 06:33 PM
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I pretty much always agree with your posts. You're the only popular/respected poster who I don't feel is BSing people/grifting/making ludicrous claims I agree that one simply can't 'seduce' a very low interest girl. If we believe that's possible, then some PUA's should have a 100% approach to lay ratio. Got to victoria secret conventions and bang a handful at a time. Easily. When in reality, the best 'average' that's been documented from all teh coaches i've seen is more like 1 lay for 35 ish ap…
/r/seduction26/10/25 10:09 AM
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also to say '' A woman does not get turned on by someone’s appearance'' is literally insane!! he must not have any sisters or female friends!!! lol
/r/seduction25/10/25 05:00 PM
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anyone who says 'yes' is telling you lies lol. Or they are very good looking and banging girls worse looking than them.
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:05 AM
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looks get your foot in the door. So in a way, they are indeed kind of everything. (for COLD approach and online dating etc) But that doesn't mean you can get away with having zero social skills, typically
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:51 AM
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it's a 'you need to be her type' issue lol. That's the tihng about COLD approach. Numbers game blocked me like a big baby!! haha. But to yhour comment which i can still of course read, infield footage proves that your reply to me is wrong! :)
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:41 AM
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Of course, younger women are less likely to be interested in much older guys. PUA's often say the opposite (especially coaches) - that much youngers ones are ridiculously easy (super hot 18 year olds for example) since if you are 55 you have much more world experience. Nonsense of course, but that's what they say
/r/seduction24/10/25 03:11 PM
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yep. Pretty much this
/r/seduction23/10/25 07:38 AM
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I think in general confidence is surely a positive thing, but yeah, I think it's a lot more complicated than that I pulled one of the hottest girls of my life, quite a while ago now, when I was very anxious and depressed. I was the OPPOSITE of 'confident' but this girl just wanted me! She was a model (pre social media where every girl is now a 'model'. I mean an actual paid model). Young. it was nuts And another example is my old boss who kind of personified 'confidence' to me. He commanded the …
/r/seduction13/10/25 03:49 PM
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Nearly all of my lays have been same night lays in from bars. I can't be bothered to write a long post, and tbh its not even needed. /u/newnameenoch already said it. It's a numbers game. You can't 'game' your way into her pants if you're not her type. So you need to open girls. Get good at reading whether she's actually interested/attracted (should be obvious but some people need practice to pick up on the signals). Keep it fun. Ask questions. flirt. Ramp up the touch. Isolate. kiss. Pull away s…
/r/seduction13/10/25 12:44 PM
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I'M going back a while. I think mystery was big around 2000 ish? They were doing it like 10 years later, somewhere around 2010 The good thing was that none of the openers were 'known'. There was a time where 'who lies more, men or women?!' was like a known 'pickup line' because of the book, but by this point, nobody ever called them out One of them was SUPER into it, and done everything completely by the books. Exact verbals, breaking the whole interaction down into 'stages', and then using the …
/r/seduction13/10/25 12:37 PM
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most of the forums have gone. There's only really sosuave and skilledseducer left. Try sosuave. Skilledseducer is just full of 'writers' who are mods who are paid to write fake lay reports and keep the forum busy and promote his books etc and work for chase amante (chase being 'PUA' who has never even had a single infield! just another complete fraud pretending to be some sort of James bond figure who can bang any girl he lays his eyes on lol. Likey worse with girls than the average seddit reade…
/r/seduction12/10/25 07:40 PM
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this!
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:54 PM
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I had a number of wings try it out in maybe 2010-2015 with hilarious results lol (just girls tihnking they were on the spectrum basically)
/r/seduction12/10/25 08:20 AM
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true. My friends dad is like 65 adn he bangs 18 year olds over there! He has to pay for it though!
/r/seduction11/10/25 11:59 AM
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pretty much. Even though I give lots of these PUA coaches a hard time because I KNOW they are talking complete shit, I'm not saying 'game' doesn't exist. But they give it WAY more power than it actually has (because it's what they are selling!). It's really just something to help you not mess up when a girl thinks you are hot. But it's just one small moving part. 'Game' is of no use if she's not at all sexually attracted to you. Maybe you're 55 and bald and fat and 5ft tall and broke, and she's …
/r/seduction11/10/25 11:07 AM
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lol. I only said that because on the facebook vids i'm thinking of that pop up on my feed (someone uploads vids of very young girls in manchester and liverpool etc who he secretly films without them knowing - just of them stumbling around in tiny skirts etc) it's ALWAYS the Indian guys leaving the comments about how 'easy' they must be and how they wish they were there lol.
/r/seduction10/10/25 08:42 AM
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surely everyyone knows this? The problem is see is people trying to game uninterested girls and wasting so much time and effort using all the 'game' they learnt thinking they can make her attracted, and of course failing, instead of moving on
/r/seduction09/10/25 05:38 PM
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these posts strongly suggest that 'women don't care about looks' isn't true But on seddit, 'women don't care about looks' posts are strongly upvoted! I always thought that seddit is like 2 groups of people with completely different opinions, and each group use this site at a different time of teh day lol (I used to also notice this with the whole 'direct vs indirect' stuff. Pro direct posts get super upvoted and indirect posts downvoted. But the next day(or later that night) the complete opposit…
/r/seduction09/10/25 07:34 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ToUs__cA4&list=LL&index=39
/r/seduction08/10/25 07:48 PM
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Keep in mind there’s nothing you can do or say that’ll make any woman wanna have sex with u. It’s all about mutual attraction! a million time this
/r/seduction08/10/25 07:33 PM
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I have no idea where you're from but you sound a little bit like the Indian guys and stuff who leave comments on vids on facebook of scantily clad UK girls falling out of bars etc. They assume they'd be sleeping with them all if they were there due to how the girls were dressed. In reality, 95% of them commenters would just get ignored/rejected (not saying you). Just because they dress like sloots it doesn't mean they'll let just anyone bang them lol. It's kind of the opposite! They get hit on S…
/r/seduction08/10/25 07:06 PM
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Oh, you're preaching to the choir here lol. I know that. It's only peple involved in selling ebooks and coaching etc who will lie and tell you otherwise I've seen a LOT first hand over the years including what pro dating coaches ACTUALLY get up too. I don't think i've ever been especially impressed/suprised in all that time Everyone gets more or less the results I assumed they'd get when I laid eyes on them
/r/seduction06/10/25 08:47 PM
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honestly, i've never met any 'PUA' who can come CLOSE to what my chad friends can do. That includes pros coaches. End of the day, PUA's use tricks like negs and coldreads and disqualifaction and 'pushpull' , but none of it is really of any use when the girl isnn't attracted to you. (as infeilds prove) - Really good looking guys literally have girls opening them and throwing themselves at them. It's not even a fair fight! lol learn the techniques (they're very easy to find and implement) and see …
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:01 PM
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no. I've seen quite a few in action in London. If they approach a girl who isn't clearly attracted and very receptive, then 99% of the time, after they have pulled out all of their best tricks (cold reads, pushpull lines, qualificaiton etc) it still ends in a rejection
/r/seduction06/10/25 12:19 PM
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ask the guy below me lol. Personally, i'd say 'nothing' other than being her type though. Tricks don't work
/r/seduction06/10/25 12:17 PM
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i think you are VERY bad at rating peoples looks? lol. Elliott rodger wasn't good looking Richar Ramirez looks like a model
/r/seduction06/10/25 07:10 AM
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good post. I do cold approach and love it, but it's a HUGE numbers game unless you hit the genetic lottery. Propinquity is quite powerful. When you see a guy who is punching out of his league, you should talk to him about how he met her. I used to do this quite a lot! 99% of the time, he knew her for years from college or work or something and it slowly happened. It's very very rare for a guy to punch way above his weight on online dating or cold approach. While there are plenty of guys who can …
/r/seduction05/10/25 07:17 PM
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you had a chance to use it yet? that line and the mysterymethod?
/r/seduction05/10/25 06:54 PM
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Find the women that go for men who that go for brown men. They are out there! This is basically the answer. No amount of pushpull lines or 'game' is gonna over-ride a girls strong preferences. All cold approach is really about capitalizing on attraction without messing it up. Looks matter. Race matters. Height matters. Everything matters! Not to say you can't still have lots of success, though! But you need to approach in way more volume that the white, green eyed, chiseled jawlined, 6ft 3 chad!…
/r/seduction05/10/25 06:45 PM
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Right but my 6'3 roommate with confidence is getting all the 8s and 9s and my 6'1 blonde roommate with 0 confidence has all these 5s and 6s simping for him. right. So you clearly already know the answer! deep down! Don't let people on reddit gaslight you into not believing your own freaking eyes!! lol. Happens all the time on here where people try to imply girls are blind and that pushpull is as powerful as raw physical attraction lol! Race matters. Looks matter a tonne! Age matters! Everything …
/r/seduction05/10/25 06:44 PM
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You deserved to get scamed trying to learn from a dating coach, there is nothing special about these guys exactly. I've literally been out with dating coaches in London in person. They do indeed get laid but their hit rate is NO BETTER than me or any other random guy off the street! Yes, they might look impressive to newbies because they are throwing all of these cold reads and pushpull lines at girls etc but the end result, assuming she's not attracted to him, is a rejection. If people realise …
/r/seduction05/10/25 11:27 AM
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Do'nt pay anyone any money! You're gonna get contacted by a lot of scammy coaches due to this post lol YOu can download basically any of the PDF's online if you look hard enough. Read it. Test it. You'll learn that no 'technique' actually works in terms of making a girl want you. But you'll need to discover this yourself as most people do! The REAL answer is taht it's about attraction (so hit the gym! get better fashion etc etc and 'volume' (hit on lots of girls. It's a numbers game. Nobody has …
/r/seduction05/10/25 09:35 AM
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It's all a massive scam. Obviously! We all ALREADY know everything in the books and courses!! 'game' went mainstream so long ago now! I see vids on tiktok with kids talking about 'pushpull' and saying 'you're trouble' to girls non stop (because that's what Todd V does as 95% of his verbal game lol) None of these guys have some super power. In your body, they would get an almost identical approach to lay ratio. I PROMISE! Save you money! Buy something fun with it!
/r/seduction05/10/25 09:32 AM
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in what way. If you walk into a bar and there's a stunner there, and you ignore her/don't look at her etc, she's not gonna suddenly be attracted to you UNLESS she thinks you're hot. There's no tricks to MAKE a girl want you lol - as much as we all try!
/r/seduction05/10/25 09:29 AM
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you're welcome ;)
/r/seduction04/10/25 07:00 PM
1

this. It's why I never understand all the 'boyfriend destroyer' lines and stuff. It's like, either she actually has a boyfriend and so isn't interest, OR she made him up, and that's just as bad! She made him up as an excuse beausse....again, you're not her type!! lol. I've seen PUA's use all of these cheesy boyfriend destroyer/objection lines in infields and not once has it worked lol
/r/seduction04/10/25 12:45 PM
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you likely just need to MASSIVELY increase your volume. It's a game of numbers and luck. YOu are trying to find single, hot girls who are attracted to you/think you are hot. That's what cold approach is (assuming you're not only approach girls who give you signals/IOI's which is more 'warm approach') Obviously if you look like a male model you could probably get laid with like 3 apporaches, but most guys don't and need to make a LOT (and I mean a lot!!!) of approaches I used to get laid a fair a…
/r/seduction04/10/25 12:35 PM
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OP - Try mysterymethod tonight adn report back! If you're unware, this is the model in brief: Open her with a false time constraint and go into an opinion opener (so, 'hey! I've only got 2 minutes. But quick question. Who lies more...men or women??') She starts talking back. Talk about that topic and make up a reason why you asked. Then go into a 'DVH' (demonstrate high value) so ask her about herself and drop in things that suggest lots of women like you, and/or that you a leader of men, and/or…
/r/seduction04/10/25 12:31 PM
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that's fine. there's not much more too it You could do a load of pushpull and cold reads and qualification adn disqualifaction etc, but there's not really any point. It's not gonna turn a no into a yes, so yeah, just talk normally and see if she's down to hang out or not
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:07 PM
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the smartphone changed the game in many ways!
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:04 PM
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cheekbones, eyes etc. All the things that make a girl attracted basically. Good job!
/r/seduction26/09/25 12:53 PM
2

bingo!! lol
/r/seduction26/09/25 11:36 AM
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how does he meet them? Have you spoke to him about how he met them and how it 'happened' etc? It's not that unusual really. I used to know a few 'dead beats' (very small time dealers) who used to absolutely crush it with hot girls. Both dudes were just skinny, handsome dudes covered in tats and girls just fell in their laps. I think it's more to do with having a 'niche' (and the handsome deadbeat is kind of it's own 'niche' where hot young girls go for them guys - probably to upset their dads lo…
/r/seduction25/09/25 09:12 PM
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i think he knew that! lmao
/r/seduction25/09/25 07:28 AM
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bad! It was just bad all round for me to be quite honest, in various ways. Having the black pill irrifutabley rammed down your throat is rough, for one. I think you need to try to kid/bluepill yourself when you're gaming to some extent. Impossible to do when girls are constantly checking your wingman out and hitting on him without him doing a thing lol. I also have more than one story where he accidentally 'ruined' what looked like a certain pull for me (simply by coming over to say 'hi' to me o…
/r/seduction24/09/25 05:50 PM
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in the telegram groups i'm in, it's mostly day game in that the guys makes a LOT of approaches in London etc per day and usually have nothing at all to show for it. The actual lays come mostly from online dating. And a few from night game. Day game just seems to give them a very rare date for a hello of a lot of work ps - you could always lie about your age on tinder?
/r/seduction23/09/25 07:24 AM
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agreed!! it is a numbers game. It's as simple as that. The amount of game you need when a girl just likes you and is very receptive to your approach is literally minimal. Just be somewhat normal! The amount of game you need to pull a girl who just isn't attracted to you and is cold to your opener and clearly doesn't want to talk, is unreachable. No PUA tricks or 'game' will turn that ship People who do well are either 1/approaching in massive volume - playing the numbers game, 2/good looking, 3/…
/r/seduction22/09/25 09:49 PM
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pick coaches with infield. Not people who just write books (like them 3 and dan bacon etc). Although i'd advise not worrying about any of them. They all get rejected just as much as the next guy. I promise!
/r/seduction22/09/25 05:07 PM
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I mean I guess it makes sense. If you COLD approach (without only approaching off of IOI's) then you are just hoping they she thinks you are hot. Otherwise it'll be a rejection, even if you have 'game' and use your best pushpull lines with confidence etc. With tinder when you match with someone, the most important part (attraction) is already there. that's why she swiped right! It's kind of yours too mess up at that point
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:28 PM
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tbh, i'm in a few telegram PUA groups and it seems that all of the members lays still come from tinder. They make a LOT of cold approaches with nothing to show. I don't even like tinder but it's where everyones results seem to come from
/r/seduction21/09/25 03:10 PM
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exactly (altohugh i'm sure a few PUA coaches will be along shortly to claim they can get whoever they want using their secret PUA lines lol despite no coach with actual infield being able to do anything of the sort! haha)
/r/seduction21/09/25 03:08 PM
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good job. Cold approach is a numbers game. On to the next!
/r/seduction21/09/25 12:57 PM
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Minutes. If you meet a girl who thinks you are hot and she's also in that frame of mind it can be instantaneous! I remember it was 'possibly' new years eve?? I can't quite remember. I saw a girl I liked on the dancefloor and just walked up to her and danced super close to her facing her. She maintained eye contact the whole time. I moved close and we were kissing in seconds. We then just made some boring small talk. It was late. I suggested we went back to my place and we walked out together and…
/r/seduction20/09/25 10:49 AM
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yeah, not to mention none of it works in my experience. I used to test to lines and theory of so many PUA's (gambler, mystery, coach kyle, adam lyons, pellicer etc etc). It's simply all a massive scam to be quite honest. What little effect ones 'game' has on the interaction (and I don't think it's much. I think she basically decides yes or no before you've said anything!) comes from your 'energy' as opposed to your verbals. I read and tested everything for many years and my best results came whe…
/r/seduction20/09/25 10:39 AM
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I would also be 100% certain that this was typical seddit 'my mate has no arms and legs and bangs models from cold approach' BS. But when he mentioned he was a tourist entertainer, I at least semi believed him lol. In some locations and life situations etc, it does seem like all the rules go out the window. A bit like being the only guy on an Island for a year with a tonne of girls! I knew a guy who worked on a cruise ship a long time ago. Nothing to look at, but he got laid a hell of a lot. Adm…
/r/seduction20/09/25 08:49 AM
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My ex wingman. Don't think i've ever seen someone so effortlessly get laid with hot girls like him before (outside of characters in films lol) Just a very very good looking guy I guess. When we'd go out, he'd get approached (he never approached!) maybe 6-8 times per night. Sometimes by super hot young girls. Young ones would always pretend to recognise him. Slightly older ones would always just flat out touch him and tell him he was hot. if we went too a place with a dancefloor he was surrounded…
/r/seduction19/09/25 07:26 PM
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I guess things like location and other things will always play a part. I can't imagine why your friend doesn't get opened or at least have girls be EXTRMELY receptive to him unless he's really ugly facially, but you imply he's handsome. I don't know! I'd have to see him in person! My friend is white. Going out with him was always a brutal blackpilling experience lol. I'd run 'game' with all the stuff the books said to do and say and it was just a pure numbers game. He's just stand around and gir…
/r/seduction19/09/25 06:16 PM
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i don't know how that's possible. My ex wingman was extremely good looking (his only weakness was that he wasn't tall, but his good looks made up for it) and the reactions he got from girls was like something i've never seen before. Super hot girls opening him up non stop!! It was just impossible for him to not get laid! He just needed to not literally piss his pants lol
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:59 PM
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he'd be invisible to hot young girls, tbh. he's never released a single infield as he knows what would happen lol
/r/seduction22/07/25 03:46 PM
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depends on whether you think you can convince a girl to be attracted to you or not. I don't. I've seen all kinds of 'experts' get rejected so much that I tihnk it's just a matter of finding the girls who like you (the yes girls) and so with that in mind, being direct simply saves time.
/r/seduction21/07/25 06:13 PM
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it's all a scam
/r/seduction21/07/25 04:52 PM
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I can't believe people are still paying dating coaches money! they're SCAMMERS, people!! lol. Wake the hell up.
/r/seduction12/07/25 11:07 AM
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yeah, young for my age of 35, but deffo not more than 10 years!! I'm Guessing I looked more 25-28?
/r/seduction09/07/25 08:51 PM
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hive!
/r/seduction09/07/25 08:50 PM
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well what do you think i'm gonna say. 26 is a lot younger than my 35 lol
/r/seduction09/07/25 07:26 PM
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I do look younger than my years, yes. One funny thing happened when one of the young girls made a comment to me about it being weird that there was an old guy there trying to get in with the girls, and the guy she was talking about was probably younger than me! haha. I just agreed with her lol
/r/seduction09/07/25 07:00 PM
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I was 35. 38 now kinda wanna go back and do it all again. Same hostel!
/r/seduction09/07/25 06:42 PM
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the fact that this isn't really a 'skill' as such. you can do everything 'perfect' (according to whichever dating coach you listen too. Be advised that they all disagree with each other though lol, and you can still get rejected 100 times in a row) - It's about finding the girls who are attracted to you which can take approaching a lot of girls before you find one (which is called 'numbers game'. Increase the number of approaches you do, increase the odds of finding a girl who wants you. It's ex…
/r/seduction09/07/25 04:26 PM
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how old was the girl? I had an AMAZING time in Budapest. 5 nights. 4 bangs. Stayed in a party Hostel. I was way older than everyone else but still managed to get a few 18 year olds lol
/r/seduction09/07/25 03:27 PM
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agree! with all of it (and i'm also someone who has had some stunning girlfriends with girls who thought I was hot despite none of her friends thinking i wsa remotely hot lol)
/r/seduction09/07/25 12:33 PM
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All of the books are pretty much a waste of time, tbh. It's either very obvious stuff like Manson, or it's PUA books which make guys do and say very strange things when they talk to girls due to the concentration on 'outer game' and the hope of 'creating' attraction with the various nonsense lines and techniques the books 'teach' (hint: 'push pull' doesn't make a girl attracted lol. ) (there as a few FR's recently I saw on this sub I think where the poster was trying to use the aweful cringey st…
/r/seduction09/07/25 12:26 PM
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'running out f things to say' is ALMOST always just a sign to move on since she isn't pulling her weight in the convo at all (because she's not attracted to you). You can't force her to be attracted. SO if it feels like you're pulling teeth and keeping the convo going feels super hard, it's not your fault. You're just not her type and that's not in your control. move on. When you approach a girl who is attracted to you, it's usually the opposite problem and you cna't get them to shut up lol
/r/seduction07/07/25 07:43 AM
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surely everyone knows this?? looks get your foot in the door. Physical attraction is 100% necessary in a cold approach if you want to get laid with the girl. Ain't nobody bypassing that attraction with the use of 'cold reads' and 'negs' and 'self amusement' and whatever other 'attraction material' we can all read about in PUA books lol. That stuff is 'helpful' for sealing the deal. But attraction is what actually matters.
/r/seduction06/07/25 08:34 PM
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so wrong. Some guys get approached a hell of a lot. Especially at night
/r/seduction05/07/25 02:45 PM
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When a woman likes you its really easy You cant convince anyone to like you this the heart of it. Even the professional PUA coaches get rejected again and again despite their PUA techniqes and flirting and pushpull etc, and can never turn a clear 'no' too a yes. She makes up her mind within a split second and no PUA pro can change her mind as infields show
/r/seduction05/07/25 11:39 AM
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you were direct in your open and so from that point she knows what up, yet she still just said 'thank you' and 'nothing'. That to me tells me she's not interested. She not remotely trying. Nothing you could say or do would change her mind. You're just not her type. Do you think she'd have given the same weak replies if Tom Hardy hit on her like that? on to the next one! it's a numbers game You done the right thing by not wasting time. No PUA coach or otherwise would have got a better result than…
/r/seduction04/07/25 07:22 PM
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It's not possible to "make" a girl like you but it is completely possible to make a girl who already was interested to not like you. true, but the community do NOT want to hear that, despite the overwhelming proof in the form in infield footage from 'pros' lol
/r/seduction02/07/25 07:23 PM
1

amazing. Would you say it's even more powerful than pheremone sprays?
/r/seduction02/07/25 06:50 PM
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girls aren't visual: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5mG-o0QugL8
/r/seduction02/07/25 06:22 PM
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all of these community beliefs originally came from people who sell products (and so NEED you to believe certain things in order to take your money), and then everyone just ran with it! lol I'd love to be able to bring some of these posters out with me to meet my wingman (stupidly handsome dude) and go out for the night and watch him get approached like 15 time with girls throwing themselves at him and see if they still think girls 'aren't visual' haha
/r/seduction01/07/25 06:19 PM
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lol. the community does indeed say that all of the time. 'girls aren't visual', 'girls don't care about looks' etc. Of course it's nonsense, but it cracks me up! Women find it hilarious when I tell them!
/r/seduction01/07/25 05:32 PM
1

the community says women aren't visual so none of that matters, tbh
/r/seduction01/07/25 07:05 AM
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isn't that a limiting belief? the idea is that she could think you are the ugliest guy in the world, but if you remember to cold read and hold good eye contact, illiciting values (''I noticed you were really enjoying that music. What is it about dancing that you like?"'') etc, then you'll 100% get her
/r/seduction30/06/25 09:27 PM
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Yes looks play a part, are you Quasidmodo, the hunchback, the elephant man, then sorry. That's what we call a 'limiting belief' here in the seduction community. We say you can still bang literally any girl you want and never get rejected even if you look like quasimodo or are 3ft tall and clinically obese, assuming you have game (learnt how to do a cold read and a pushpull line or 2)
/r/seduction30/06/25 08:37 PM
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womens PUA forums say men aren't visual Male PUA forums say women aren't visual lol Women are turned on based on mens looks alone, though
/r/seduction30/06/25 02:58 PM
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men aren't visual. Be confident and tease. they respond to that stuff
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:42 PM
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that's what one of them studies hits on I believe. End of the day, the idea that 'women aren't visual' and 'women don't care about looks as much as men do' is total nonsense. These 'dating coaches' (who need you to believe lies so they make moeny) must have never had a good looking wingman!! lol.
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:32 PM
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Women often downplay how much looks matter when asked directly, but psychological methods (e.g., lie detectors) and real-world behavior contradict this. Observational and behavioral data (speed-dating, online swiping) suggest women care as much as men about looks, sometimes even more. https://digfir-published.macmillanusa.com/greenberg1e/greenberg1e_ch14_4.html? https://www.psypost.org/physical-attractiveness-far-outweighs-other-traits-in-online-dating-success/ https://time.com/archive/7143187/s…
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:19 PM
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they're actually even more visual
/r/seduction29/06/25 03:40 PM
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80% looks, 20% personality women are very very visual
/r/seduction29/06/25 01:29 PM
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he likely didn't look like his pics or he was shorter in real life
/r/seduction29/06/25 01:29 PM
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Approach with a smile. Tell her why you stopped her. Ask what she's up too and what her name is etc. Keep it light hearted. Try to get her on an instant date if she's free, otherwise suggest you go for drinks at the weekend and get her to put her number in your phone
/r/seduction28/06/25 08:38 AM
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obviously! You're being gaslit like a moron. If you are not her type and she's not physically attracted to you, it doesn't matter how well you deliver the line or what PUA techniques you implement. It will end in rejeciton. Even for pros (as we often see in infields)
/r/seduction26/06/25 02:15 PM
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despite what pickup coaches tell you, a girl won't qualify herself to you unless she is attracted to you. As with basically everything in game, it works IF you are her type. So opening with that, even if it's what the books say to do, will only work if she thinks you're hot
/r/seduction25/06/25 06:03 PM
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I know you've been downvoted to hell, but I actually see some potential truth in it just from my own life. It seems that when the SUPER hot girls who I kind of know are single, they just seem to never be getting banged unless they are doing an exceptional job at hiding it. Whereas the average girls are all blatantly out getting smashed. There's a few stunners who I sort of know who, on the outside, have been living like monks for the last year. Now, I could of course be wrong and they're hooking…
/r/seduction22/06/25 01:05 AM
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what made you want him? I mean, we know that girls aren't visual and don't care about looks as we learn on this sub :) /s
/r/seduction21/06/25 11:19 AM
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this!! so much nonsense in every thread to avoid the elephant in the room lol
/r/seduction21/06/25 11:16 AM
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for real lol. All the good looking guys I know kill it. All the non good looking guys I know struggle. It literally the thing that opens the door and allows you to 'game' someone. You can't game a girl who doesn't wanna be gamed by you
/r/seduction21/06/25 11:16 AM
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this is how you do it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hWOFoGt8Dhs
/r/seduction17/06/25 02:13 PM
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I think that's why people are shitting on you lol This sub is more for guys who aren't good looking etc so are looking for 'game' (verbal wizardry and techniques etc) to FORCE her to be attracted to you, even if you are 4ft tall kinda thing. People on seduction forums wouldn't call what you do 'game' or seduction, rightly or wrongly.
/r/seduction09/06/25 10:44 AM
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you could be the new seduction king of the forum!
/r/seduction09/06/25 10:42 AM
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cold approach is literally tinder, except it's in person So yes, you're kinda right. If you approach a random hot girl who hasn't given you an indicator of interest, then well...you cna guess what's gonna happen unless you are her physical type edit: I'm not saying to not cold approach. I cold approach all the time because I know if I approach enough hot girls, i'll end up approaching one who thinks i'm good looking, and from there it's pretty damn easy But yes, just know that true 'cold approac…
/r/seduction08/06/25 03:02 PM
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none of it will 'work' if you are not her type. This isn't black magic lol
/r/seduction08/06/25 10:16 AM
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100%
/r/seduction08/06/25 09:32 AM
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this is how you do it https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qKXJfIxmYnI
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:23 AM
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lmao
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:11 AM
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if they look like they don't want to be distrubed then yeah, you're very likely just gonna be wasting your time and will eat a fast rejection unless you look like Prime Leo lol. Wait for an IOI (even a potential one that might not actually be one!). And if nothing else approach girls who just seem open. (like I used too approach girls in bars who were clearly in convo with a friend with their seats literally facing each other, and it would always lead too a 'go away' kind of reaction, but I got …
/r/seduction06/06/25 09:06 AM
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in short, you'd need to be very hot, and you'd need to find the right girl (who is probably travelling by herself in a new country! 'finding herself' lol) - there's a damn good reason most PUA's (especially the London Daygamers for examalpe) used to have pretty much all of their success (including same day lays) on foreign girls
/r/seduction05/06/25 05:47 PM
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You already know the answer. Looks are of course huge when it comes to dating/cold approach. There are of course stories but know that they're kinda rare. I'm even an example myself whose pulled some baddies and i'm not good looking and i'm only a little taller than you. (difference is that i'll also tell you about the MOUNTAIN of rejections I had too eat, and still do, along the way! lol) You just gotta keep flipping rocks until you find a hot girl who thinks you are hot too. That's basically t…
/r/seduction05/06/25 05:37 PM
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ikr!
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:41 PM
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same. I've never met anyone who I was like 'How?!! How are they always getting hot girls?? It doesn't make sense!'. You only really here that stuff from dating coaches and stuff because they want you to think there's a chance for you. I've known people absolutely crush it and were always sleeping with stunning young girils, but it's always been very good looking guys. Sometimes It's been 'fairly' good looking guys (a bit above average) but who have some sort of status in a job where tonnes of ho…
/r/seduction01/06/25 05:40 PM
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the fact you have a semi hot girl doens't mean much. If you want to take it private I can show you some pics of some very hot girls ive banged and should be able to prove it. You're not the only one who'se slept with hot girls as someone who isn't good looking (i'm not good looking either! But I put in some serious volume which meant I was able to find the unicorns! the hot girls who had unsual taste in that they thought I was hot too! lol. And I have enough 'game' to close a girl if she is attr…
/r/seduction30/05/25 09:13 PM
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It's more like a guy telling you he can run faster than Usain Bolt but doesn't happen to have it on camera lol. End of the day, if the biggest names in the PUA world can't do it, nobody is gonna believe some random dude on reddit can
/r/seduction30/05/25 08:22 PM
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This entire subculture was created on the idea that you could influence women's attraction the problem is that infields (of pro PUA coaches who know more about this stuff than basically anyone) don't seem to be able to do it themselves!! have you ever seen infields? You can always always tell how the interaction will end up (a lay or a rejection or whatever) within like 10 seconds of the infield. (depending on whether she is physically attracted or not). From maybe 2000 infields that i've watche…
/r/seduction30/05/25 07:54 PM
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i tend to think the silences and the 'running out of things to say' thing is usually just a sign that she's not into you it's best to move on (talking about a cold approach here. Not a date) I kind of discovered this when I used to game with a really handsome wing, and the issue of 'running out of things to say' was just never a thing for him, because she was the one who was filling in gaps, taking up conversational slack, asking questions, elaborating on things etc If it feels like you are pull…
/r/seduction29/05/25 06:56 PM
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Basically, all PUA's are no 'better' than the average guy off the street. They get laid due to 'volume'. Or, for the case of good looking ones (janka, tusk etc) it's because of that! Having said that, some are 'better' than others, I guess. (it's just that no matter how 'good' you are, your game isn't that important. If she is attracted to you, the amount of 'game' you need is basically just be normal and not 'weird'. And if you are NOT her type at all, then the best 'game' in the world doesn't …
/r/seduction29/05/25 01:50 PM
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Only one I can think of was Luke RSD, but he didn't seem to have any 'game' (he had some woeful infields that were almost memes back in the days when RSD had a forum - he'd talk to girls, completley tun out of things to say and turned red and the whole thing was so awkard) He seemed to find his 'niche' (if you believe thess guys) from basically running 'status game' in Vegas. Having the best tables and stuff and inviting girls to the table and promising them things etc. It's no surprise. Physica…
/r/seduction29/05/25 01:43 PM
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correct
/r/seduction28/05/25 09:53 PM
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this is a good question People will tell you 'her preferences do'nt matter! You can get any girl you want if you know game! Even if she is 18 and likes tall guys her age with blue eyes and you are 60 and fat and bald'. Or 'my geriatric mate dave as no arms and is always banging teenage models 'cos he knows 'game'' etc Don't believe them! These people have NO proof (or course!!) You know who does have proof? Professional PUA's with infield footage. And these people are about the best there is. Th…
/r/seduction28/05/25 07:02 AM
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lol if you relaly think some hot young girl is gonna bang some dude she's never ever seen because he has good 'text game'! People will make up a lot of shit on the internet, dude!
/r/seduction27/05/25 03:15 PM
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chance are you didn't do anything 'wrong'. It wasn't your approach angle or your smile was too big.small, or the other, literally, unlimited number of variables. The exact same approach on a different girl would have worked You just weren't her type and/or she has a boyfriend and isn't someone who is social enough to be receptive to being hit on by strangers. We're not hitting on robots and using the wrong 'code' lol
/r/seduction27/05/25 03:12 PM
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the girl you made out with thought you were handsome. the others didn't When will people start to realise the same patterns we see in infields from professional coaches AND in FR's lol (I could even link other FR's from seddit made in the last few days where you see the same pattern! e.g He approaches loads of girls, they all reject him, then he finds the girl who wants him and he hooks up with her) It's always the same. Nobody can force attraction in a girl. Just marketing nonsense and deluded …
/r/seduction25/05/25 12:42 PM
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same. took me a couple of months. There's really so little to learn as long as you are a normal, social guy who can make friends etc.
/r/seduction24/05/25 07:20 PM
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It's really just basic social skills what people call 'naturals' - ( but if someone is maybe on the spectrum etc I guess it could take anywhere from a year to never? (maybe you can never really learn to hold eye contact for examlpe) But for a normal dude, he already does everything that is in game/pua books. Or at least 90% of it which is enough. But if I had to put a number on it for that dude, I'd say a month or two of going out a few nights per week. I mean, one could read the mysterymethod a…
/r/seduction24/05/25 06:52 PM
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that's the game. Nobody can compel attraction in a girl at will and essentially get any girl they want. That's just pure PUA marketing nonsense. And even THEIR OWN infield footage proves this spectacularly. Everyone, including me, you and mystery (or any other 'pua') bangs the girls who want them. They can never turn a girl from a strong no into a strong yes. You're doing it right. Just keep approaching. You can tell within about 1 minute if you've got a shot or not. If not, move on. You'd only …
/r/seduction24/05/25 02:29 PM
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nice work!! it's a numbers game, bro! You found the girl that wanted you and capitalized!!
/r/seduction24/05/25 08:26 AM
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there's nothing out there that you can't already just download for free very easily. The 'coach' will tell you nothing that you don't already know!
/r/seduction23/05/25 10:32 PM
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this!
/r/seduction23/05/25 10:31 PM
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plus it's all out there for free. YOu can just download richard laruina, mysterymethod, RSD progams etc. Test it all. Use their lines and stuff. Then come to teh same conclusion that everyone else comes too! haha
/r/seduction23/05/25 02:10 PM
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it's all out there for free. But it's all of very very limited value. Even the 'best' have a very high rejection rate. Everyone knows all the PUA stuff nowadays. So easy to download all the pdf's and torrent all the progams and test their lines etc. We've all tested it this point I imagine. it 'works' when she's into you, and doens't work when she's not
/r/seduction23/05/25 02:09 PM
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apples and bowling balls, my friend! As I say, it's so pointless arguing. We have all of the proof we will ever need in the form of infields!
/r/seduction23/05/25 01:38 PM
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I've pulled it off quite a few times (cold approach random girl in bar, flirt, go back to one of our places for sex) But before you think i'm bragging, know that I put in some serious volume!! It's a numbers game. I eat a LOT of rejection, but back when I was 'hungrier' i'd approach so many girls in a night that i'd usually get laid 'most' weekends. It was always about finding girls who were not only social/adventurous and wanted to chat to strangers, but also girls who thought you were hot. All…
/r/seduction23/05/25 01:34 PM
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Seen it. I own all of his products. In fact, I probably own every product in existence lol Julien did indeed turn a few girls from very cold to luke warm. NONE of them ended in a lay though, or even a make-out! And the same can be said for every other top PUA. (based on their infields) This really is worth mentioning and should be spoken about more! If the very very top PUA's can SOMETIMES get a girl to go from very cold to luke warm (and still not get close too a lay) then we need to rethink ju…
/r/seduction21/05/25 03:58 PM
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you can't build attraction if there isn't any there. As mark manson and many other pro PUA's say, 'you can amplify EXISTING attraction with 'game'. You can't literally create it'. It's honestly obvious, and as I say, infields show this really well! look at their rejections. Look at their lays. Look at the patterns which are clear as day (e.g you can tell from within about 3 seconds how it will likely go)
/r/seduction21/05/25 02:28 PM
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"Leave her and move on" is relationship advice, not "seduction" advice. it's good advice for both. Why waste time trying to 'seduce' someone who isn't attracted to you and thus won't allow themselves to be 'sedcued' by you. Move on. All the pushpull lines and self amusement and DHV's etc in the world isn't gonna help if she's not into you. (as infields from pro PUA's confirm) - Find a girl who is attracted to you. Seduce her!
/r/seduction20/05/25 09:31 PM
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Whole point of seduction is to turn reluctance into enthusiasm, turning a no into a yes. watch infields. Infields from premium products from the very best PUA's. This literally never ever happens! I don't think there's EVER been an infield, from maybe 5000 that have been released, that ends up with a guy banging a girl who was clearly very uninterested and super relucatant to his open/approach (and these are guys who have been practicing this for like 2 decades! nothing they don't know about thi…
/r/seduction20/05/25 07:09 PM
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agree. waste of time. It's about finding the girls who are into you.
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:06 PM
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what would you prefer? You can't force someone to be attracted to you lol. So 'move on to the next girl' is basically always the best advice if you approach someone and she's not receptive
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:06 PM
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your friend kind of has a point. It's a form of screening game. He's trying to not waste time on girls who aren't DTF or just aren't attracted to him.
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:05 PM
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The 'running out of things to say' has been an issue in the community for years and years. All kinds of tricks have been invented to try to get around. Lowering the bar (e.g literally say whatever comes to your mind even if it sounds stupid and random to you), free association, scripts etc etc But over the years i've kind of found that 'running out of things to say' isn't necessarily a 'you problem'. It's often just because she isn't really trying at all on her end. (either because she's not att…
/r/seduction20/05/25 04:43 PM
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there simply is very very little to learn ASSUMING you are a somewhat normal person. That's what I realised a long time ago. I mean, even the stuff in all of the PUA books is mostly just base level social skills that everyone already knows, BUT they've given a fancy names and overcomplicated it all on purpose What people want, and have always wanted, is lines and tips and techniques too essentially force attraction in a girl, but it's simply not possible. There has never been a PUA who blew my m…
/r/seduction19/05/25 06:32 PM
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Cold approach means 95% failure rate. Don't think i've seen one of the more 'respected' posters like you say that sort of thing. I do agree though, lol (unless one hit the genetic lottery maybe or is famous or something. It's a low odds game, but its fun)
/r/seduction17/05/25 06:42 PM
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it's unlikely to be his fault, tbh. It's nearly always just a lack of attraction on her part. You need to find the girls who are attracted to you
/r/seduction16/05/25 07:23 AM
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unless there was nothing to learn from it, other than he wasn't her type/she just wasn't attracted. Which is the case in like 95% of rejections (unless the guy was like spitting when he talked or said some really socially abnormal things as his opener etc and was unable to make eye contact etc which is only the case for a tiny percentage of people)
/r/seduction16/05/25 07:21 AM
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it's a numbers game On to the next!!
/r/seduction15/05/25 10:40 PM
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it's just all random. Picking up girls is 'random' (that's why everyone says 'it's a numbers game')
/r/seduction15/05/25 06:34 PM
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haha! Are you in the UK out of interest? What I've noticed where i live is that cold approach is SO rare!!! I observe like you do and I often feel like i'm the only guy in my whole town who does it lol. Night life is always groups of really hot girls who seem very closed off and like they're out to chat to each other and dance with each other and not to 'chat to randoms' as i've heard them put it. There's groups of people everywhere, sometimes mixed sets, but everyone just stays with their own g…
/r/seduction10/05/25 10:02 PM
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be very very very good looking, or be very very very VERY rich (and as ugly as you want), or be 'cool' famous (rapper, NFL quarterback etc)
/r/seduction10/05/25 09:32 AM
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are you in the UK or something??
/r/seduction08/05/25 02:51 PM
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you get a much better bang for your buck!! the thing about 'game' is that it only works if she's into you/attracted (90'% of game is flirting hidden under various descriptions, techniques and names. think 'push pull', 'teasing', disqualification' etc ect). Now flirting is great, but if she's not attracted to you, it's very much unwanted! If you become 'attractive' in the eyes of girls (for example, a magic pill that made you taller, ripped, good looking face etc), then it all becomes effortless!…
/r/seduction08/05/25 02:43 PM
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agree. I also find the FUNNIEST argument is either 'it's because you can't get girls your own age' or even 'they go for 18 year olds because they are so easy to get into bed due to their brain not being developed!' it honestly cracks me up!! Both arguments couldn't possible be more wrong. I have a MUCH easier time hooking up with a girl my own age than some hot 18 year old who is way more likely to reject/ignore me!! And it's not like she's 6! You can't just use reverse psychology or something o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:25 PM
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'im in my 30's and hooked up with a really pretty 17 year old in a bar lol. Drinking age is 18 here (16 for sex and with no age gap rules). I guess she just snuck in or the bouncer let her in because she was cute
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:22 PM
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but he doesn't seem to have a 'strategy'? I mean, he trolls every other PUA BECAUSE they use PUA techniques (like pushpulls, self amusement, cold reads, disqualification, and all the other stuff people like todd V and mystery and almost all others suggest. He says it's all gay) So his 'method' (from what i've seen of his programs and his infields) seems to be to say 'hi, can I meet you real quick', tell them they're hot (almost like he's embarassed to say it haha), ask if they like grey goose vo…
/r/seduction04/05/25 09:27 PM
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pretty much
/r/seduction04/05/25 07:01 PM
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I've done a number of 'trips' by myself to various European countries. The idea is to stay at a hostel, make friends with guys and girls, all go out together, and then hit on the ones you want! There's no magic too it in terms of 'methods', really. Game is essentially flirting when you boil it all down! But flirting doesn't make her want you. It just makes things move along nicely towards sex IF she wants you! So don't overthink it. (you can also cold approach girls at bars if none of the girls …
/r/seduction04/05/25 04:56 PM
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I don't wanna be a keyboard jockey and give advice without experience. Hungary is mainland Europe and was way easier than the UK when I travelled there. I gather poland is similar. I haven't been to Germany to game but I have slept with a number of German girls from cold approach, BUT that was in other countries where they were of course travelling too which is when lots of the rules go out of the window (which is why I mentieond in my earlier post about 'I met a uk girl in Vegas and it was easy…
/r/seduction04/05/25 03:07 PM
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People not from teh UK are going to tell you 'women are the same everywhere', 'I banged a UK girl here in Vegas' etc. But in reality, it's a bit different. Especially with day game! There's a good reason basically ALL of the London pickup artists (torerro, Krauser, Blake, Berber, Tusk etc) only gamed in Central london and why about 99% of their lays came from tourists lol (local girls ignored them/rejected them mostly) We don't have the same mentality when it comes to socialising with random peo…
/r/seduction04/05/25 10:27 AM
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Back when I was getting laid a lot more than I am now, I was doing around 40+ approaches per night! (experimenting with all of the nonsense that i'd learnt in various books and programs) I was typically getting laid every time I went out (nearly) but I was eating about 35+ rejections first! haha The trick is to spread it over many bars, and even different parts of the same bar. garden area. Bar area. Pool table. Then move on too a new bar and do it all again etc And if you live in London or some…
/r/seduction04/05/25 08:56 AM
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wouldn't it be easier to just link like 5 pdfs to to the side bar? There's nothing posters here can add to what's already written by the 'experts' (and surely very well known by now! Even lots of random guys know about mysterymethod!) So link 'models', 'mysterymethod' and 'The natrual' and then that's it. We all have the knowledge to basically score at will! (?) and shouldn't need to ask questions here mostly? But the issue is that it doesn't really work lol. And that's why people are forever lo…
/r/seduction04/05/25 08:47 AM
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It is 100% a numbers game. Nobody can 'seduce' someone in the way it's marketed. We have more proof of this than we'll ever need in the form of inf1eld footage Paul Janka was a very good looking, tall guy hitting on college chicks mostly. Purists could even argue he didn't even use 'game' (since his 'method' was so direct. Literally 'you're cute! What's your name? Can I get your number?' followed by a date) ps - body count of around 70 here. I ate (and still eat) a LOT of rejections since i'm no…
/r/seduction03/05/25 01:45 PM
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i'm not sure it matters that much I don't think guys are saying some amazing stuff that you'd never think of in convo when they approach and pull a girl. I used to sometimes even evesdrop on convos at bars in my very early days lol and it was just lots of 'whats your name?', 'what do you do', 'd you comf here often?', 'what do you do for fun?' etc etc. Nothing clever. It worked if she was into him, otherwise it would stall very fast as she wouldn't really elaborate at all making it hard for him …
/r/seduction02/05/25 05:42 PM
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I have it somewhere on one of my old laptops. I think I own and have tested everything in existence when it comes to PUA/game lol. Personally not sure i'd waste my time spending time on ANY of it to be completely honest. I've gotten laid a lot but it's been due to VOLUME and finding the girls who are attracted to me. Never MAKING them attracted (which is also something the professionals can't do. Including john sinn)
/r/seduction02/05/25 09:17 AM
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any (mostly useless) advise a 'coach' can give you is all common knowlege at this point all over youtube and in the form of torrents etc. Game went mainstream ages ago. These coaches have a no better 'hit rate' than anyone else
/r/seduction01/05/25 08:08 PM
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good stuff. It's a numbers game Approach girls. You just need to find the ones who are attracted to you, are social enough to talk to random dudes, and who are ideally single. If them things aren't in place (your're not her type etc) then it's gonna end in a rejection which isn't usually that painful. If they are in place, then it's very hard to mess up and you'll get her
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:07 AM
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style and fashion etc is definitely very low on the list. If a guy is good looking and she thinks he's really hot, I promise you that he'll pull her if he's wearing a scruffy t-shirt, jeans and a cap.
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:04 AM
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made me crack up lol
/r/seduction01/05/25 06:56 AM
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the PUA answer for this (the 'transition') is usually 'cold reads', but in my time, I just found them no better than just asking whatever else came to your brain! Plus they can sometimes seem so weird and contrived and makes girls think yuo're odd lol ('I like your style. you look like you do something creative' would be a classic, but I tend to think it can make you sound a bit weird tbh. Or when PUA start trying to guess girls jobs like they're psychic or something.) really, you can just ask h…
/r/seduction29/04/25 09:41 PM
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almost nobody approaches! even at night! this is my observation of YEARS of night life. It's likely very culture dependent, though. I'm in the UK. The percentage of guys who approach random girls is TINY!! I imagine it's way more common in the US for example Chad gets approached of course, but only at night in bars etc. My ex wing was a chad. Approached many times per night and hit on by hot girls. Almost impossible for him to mess up!! the whole 'running out of things to say' issue was irreleva…
/r/seduction29/04/25 08:42 PM
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how old are you? I slept with a few teenage hostel girls when I went and I was like 35 lol
/r/seduction28/04/25 09:43 AM
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I guess i'm not talking about actual 'disgust'! (although sometimes girls will kind of act like that in bars if they're not interested lol. Seen it a million times with myself and wings from the community) but moreso girls who are just not talking back or are clearly putting in the VERY minimum so as to encourage you to go away As i say, I see this also with top PUA coaches in infields. It's like I can tell from within a few seconds of the infield how the interaction will end based on the first …
/r/seduction28/04/25 07:53 AM
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I've seen Owen (TylerRSD) I've seen all of his infields and i've never seen him makeout with a girl (much less bang) who was very very cold to his open (ignored him, told him she wasn't interested etc). You'd think he'd have infields of this since it'd be 50x more powerful than any other infields! Similar with Julien. He's about the closest i've seen to being able to 'turn it around' but even with him, the rare infields he was able to do that never ended in a lay. Not even close. One of them tha…
/r/seduction27/04/25 10:10 PM
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just go on more trips! Don't know why you'd quit your job. I stayed in a party hostel in budapest and slept with 3 girls in 4 nights. 2 of them were super hot. All were half my age more or less lol. Fun times! I wanna do it again soon!
/r/seduction27/04/25 08:26 PM
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at least you didn't resort to personal attacks as usually happens lol But I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I'd say the only 'skill' is in converting attracted girl into sex. Not fumbling so to speak But i'd say it's CERTAINLY a numbers game in that, you can't force attraction in a girl. Your 'skill' level is irrelevant if you're not her type and she's not attracted to you. You can pushpull (or however you define outer game. There;s various schools of thoughts) until your hearts content a…
/r/seduction27/04/25 08:18 PM
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I'd say the only 'skill' is in converting attracted girl into sex. Not fumbling so to speak But i'd say it's CERTAINLY a numbers game in that, you can't force attraction in a girl. Your 'skill' level is irrelevant if you're not her type and she's not attracted to you. You can pushpull until your hearts content and she'll still reject you If you watch infields you'll see the same thing. They bang the receptive girls. And they get rejected by the girls who are super cold to their open. It never ev…
/r/seduction27/04/25 08:15 PM
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it's always been a numbers game! cold approach is literally just tinder in person. Keep swiping/approaching until you open a girl who thinks you're hot. They're out there (as long as you're not COMPLETELY cooked which you very likely aren't)
/r/seduction27/04/25 04:42 PM
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its not a game of 'skill', tbh If she's not attracted to you, none of the PUA tricks work. Infield footage of pros even confirms this
/r/seduction27/04/25 04:41 PM
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I cannot pay attention to what they say even if I try I once lost what would have been an amazing lay due to forgetting the girls name on the walk back to her place after cold approaching her in a bar lol. I can't pay attention either tbh. No memory. Also, i can only focus on ONE aspect of the convo at once. So i can either focus on a person's words, or their body language, how they're feeling, but not all at once Guessing that's more autism than adhd, or maybe the combo? As I say, I think in GE…
/r/seduction21/04/25 04:55 PM
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out of interest, why would having adhd be an issue? I can understand being very depressed of being very autistic would make it extremely hard to get any sort of convo going, but not sure why adhd would be an issue? I actually read that a lot of adhd people tend to have good social skills, especially when it comes to speaking to girls, since they tend to 'shoot around' and jump from subject to subject in a way that girls like and tend to do themselves. Less linear. And can also make convos less b…
/r/seduction21/04/25 12:04 PM
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I think the 'learning from rejection' thing is a bit of a myth, personally. I think all there is to learn is that you weren't her type. In a 'groundhog day' situation where you were able to approach the same girl for the first time, I think a change of tonality or approach angle or opener or body language etc etc would almost always result in the same rejection
/r/seduction20/04/25 01:05 PM
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I think we agree? My ex wingman was crazy handsome. He would get approached alot on nights out by fairly hot young girls in bars. Maybe 6 times per night or so But in the day time I don't think I ever saw it. All he got was massive IOI's from girls but I don't think he was ever actually approached
/r/seduction20/04/25 01:02 PM
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Night settings like clubs or bars, yeah I’ve seen it once in a while. In a mall or broad day light? Probably not. exactly this, as per my ex wingman who was stupid handsome Always getting hit on and approached at night. Maybe 6 times per night on average Day time? No approaches. Just massive IOI's
/r/seduction20/04/25 01:00 PM
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At night, ABSOLUTELY!! my ex wingman would get approached and hit on like 6+ times per night when we went out to bars. (looked like movie star handsome. Kinda like a youngish diCaprio but a bit more hench) Day time? I think that's super rare. All that happened to that same wing was that he got outrageous IOI's from cashiers and girls walking past him etc. But don't think I ever saw one actually approach him in the day
/r/seduction20/04/25 12:58 PM
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where abouts are you in the UK? (DM me if you don't want to say here) But yeah, I've found most other countries a hell of a lot easier in terms of day game and cold approach in general! UK daygamers tend to only get success when hitting on travellers/foreigners in London
/r/seduction19/04/25 08:57 AM
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it's indirect game. you could also ask 'does direct game still work'? Fact is, it all 'works'. And it all fails to work. Depends on the girl and her attraction towards you. There's no magic formula to force attraction upon someone
/r/seduction07/04/25 12:41 PM
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post back with a field report using that exact opener and let us know how you get on
/r/seduction07/04/25 07:29 AM
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exactly
/r/seduction07/04/25 07:13 AM
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if someone thinks that mystery has game (despite seeing his WOEFUL infields, likle the one where he bores the ass of the girl he's 'gaming' and that dude is looking at him like 'wtf are you talking about' (if you've seen that infield) or the one where he makes the hardest job of getting the number off of an OLDER very average looking women) that yeah, that dude you're replying too has autism. Pretty badly, too. Not worth talking too. Mystery never even posted anything close too a lay in an infie…
/r/seduction07/04/25 07:12 AM
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height is very important and a well known attraction trigger, BUT if you are really a 9 facially, then you will do absolutely fine. It should easily save you. I only say this because my ex wingman was the biggest slayer i've see and would destroy all of these famous PUA guys, and he had that success because he was like movie star handsome (constantly getting approached), but like you, was only somewhere around 5'8 ish. He certainly wasn't tall
/r/seduction07/04/25 07:03 AM
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agreed!
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:54 PM
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lol, i'm not that surprised. I've seen infields from him that don't seem to be online anymore, and honestly they were kind of hard to watch. Although he actually comes across quite nice and more normal and stuff in interviews i've seen. Cool story though, either way! Out gaming with one of the founders! john anthony claimed he could literally make a girl eat mud using his 'method' of compliance loop and so banging ANY girl he wants is easy in comparison
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:51 PM
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lol. ahh, you're talking about 'be yourself'. This sub is more about 'seduction'/outer game. (some of them terms are used here and relate to game concepts)/ techniques to get girls who aren't attracted to you
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:49 PM
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how can they not understand it. It's not complicated at all! negs, pushpull, cold reads, self amusement, indirect/direct etc etc. It's hard to not stumble across this info nowadays since 'game' went mainstream, and even harder to not understand lol
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:32 PM
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john anthony said that he can pull 100% of the time any girl he wants because he just uses his 'objection' and compliance method. (every time she rejects you in some way, you neg her or use one of his 'objection' lines and then try again and now she will agree, and you do that all the way to sex. Even if you are 5ft tall and bald and 60 and she's an 18 year old stunnner!) there's a tiny chance he's lying, though¬ ;)
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:30 PM
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that's the easy bit! everyone can access ALL the knowledge there is out there now very easily. Just torrent all the books and courses etc. Everyone knows all that stuff, tbh
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:21 PM
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lol, no. I've seen footage of pros (like rsdmax and kong from simplepickup) doing unedited, uncut approaches, and they got rejected a tonne of times in a row. It's a numbers game
/r/seduction06/04/25 06:52 PM
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thing is, you can do everything 'correct' and still go home alone after approaching 30 girls if none of them are into you. That's why it is indeed a game of numbers
/r/seduction06/04/25 05:47 PM
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he is also taller and handsomer with blue eyes so that's probably helps too. that's the answer lol
/r/seduction06/04/25 03:53 PM
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So, I wanted to know, is clicking with girls at the club a numbers game? 100%!! I always say, if guys went out for a night with their favourite PUA coach who tells them he can get who he wants due to his 'game' (that he'll teach you in a bootcamp for 5k) you would be SORELY disappointed! Unless that 'coach' also happens to be a very handsome guy who is tall and a decent body, he is going too eat a hell of a lot of rejections if he's cold approaching very young very hot girls. It really is a numb…
/r/seduction06/04/25 03:50 PM
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There is no such thing! - A receptive girl (if she is attracted to you) - whatever you say, it will work - - An unreceptive girl (she is not attracted to you) - no matter what you say or what you do, there is no way to change her mindset, there is no magic, no formula, there is no method, no technique to change her mindset. EXACTY!!!! Which is why I think 'coaching' in general is just a waste of time tbh. It's really pretty simple! all of it. But there is a pre-requisite (her finding you attract…
/r/seduction06/04/25 08:56 AM
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what attracts YOUNG women is the same thing as what attracts men (good looking body, good looking face) It changes a bit with older women when they start to appreciate confidence and money a lot more.
/r/seduction06/04/25 08:53 AM
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These have different words because they mean different things. They are not all "shit-tests". Basically what I was gonna say. PUA's taught guys that every girl wants you and it's always only a 'shit test' when she is displaying clear IOD's. (that 'john anthony' guy tells people you just need his 'cheat sheet' to 'objections' and then you can get ANY girl you want 100% of the time lol) A lot of the time you're just not her type and she really really isn't interested and she is literally telling y…
/r/seduction06/04/25 08:45 AM
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infields mostly died out. RSD used to film a lot in clubs and stuff. You could torrent some of their products.
/r/seduction23/03/25 02:08 PM
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depends on how good looking she thinks you are!! that's it
/r/seduction21/03/25 04:44 PM
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fair enough, but the girls I slept with didn't find it weird lol. Each to their own. Always go for what you want. Don't let society decide for you
/r/seduction04/03/25 01:50 PM
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?
/r/seduction04/03/25 08:11 AM
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I had an amazing time in a party hostel in Budapest! I wanna come with you!!! Pulled 4 nights out of 5. However, I got very very lucky (in more ways than one) and I wouldn't expect to have anything like that sort of luck if I went again, tbh.
/r/seduction03/03/25 03:21 PM
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I done it a few years ago in my 30's and banged 4 girls including 2 teenagers lol (but I DO tend to look a fair bit younger than my age according to most people) what with the downvotes? this sub turned into a bunch of feminists now or something?? woke times lol
/r/seduction03/03/25 03:20 PM
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not a terrible post, tbh More effective than the 'game' posts tbh! (as if negs and pushpulls etc are gonna make her attracted to you!). This is very much a visual game when cold approaching
/r/seduction27/02/25 08:40 AM
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you will eventually no longer make mistakes and your success rate is 100%. After making so many mistakes, you will reach a point where you will never fail lol. This isn't a computer game though. You can very often to 'everything right' and you still get rejected since she just wasn't attracted to you. All the PUA coaches get rejected a HUGE percentage of the time. I'm assuming i've read it wrong and that's not what you were saying!
/r/seduction26/02/25 04:14 PM
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if she is attracted to you/you are her type, then yes.
/r/seduction25/02/25 08:28 PM
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I've done it maybe 40 or so times, and can only really cosign was /u/shittybills says It's really just a numbers game. Your favourite PUA who tells you he can get any girl he wants would honestly get rejected a similar amount to anyone else if they were in your shoes (e.g same face, same height, same location, targeting the same girls etc). There's no magic. As shittybills says, it's about gaging interest. It's so obvious to me within seconds whether she's attracted to me or not at this point. I…
/r/seduction21/02/25 08:15 PM
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you can't force attraction in someone i'm afraid. If only!
/r/seduction13/02/25 07:05 PM
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you make a fair point? Don't know why you were downvoted the most heavily upvoted answer is to 'just ask her out' I mean, I guess that's what they are calling 'seduction' (hence the upvotes), but I agree that I find the link between 'seduction' (dictionary term) and asking her out is a bit tenuous lol
/r/seduction25/01/25 12:18 PM
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How would you proceed? laughing react, or ignore
/r/seduction05/01/25 04:49 PM
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you just looked a lot better/younger back then. Hence more hot young girls were attracted to you (and even approached you as you say)
/r/seduction05/01/25 09:20 AM
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bingo. And that basically applies for everything after teh opener, too! if she's into you it will all tend to 'work' If she's not attracted to you, all of the best 'game' in the world is just delaying teh rejection
/r/seduction05/01/25 09:17 AM
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teasing, bantering, negging, cocky/funny. push/pull. DHV, qualification, cold-reading, leading and pacing, frames, eliciting values, magic tricks, word games, hand games thing is, none of that stuff is really necessary if she is attracted to you, and none of it will help if she's NOT at all attracted to you lol I think that's why the PUA industry has shrank so much in recent times. I think everyone realises that. Even infield footage seems to confirm it! (e.g you can tell before he's even finish…
/r/seduction22/12/24 10:48 AM
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it's ALWAYS 'luck' too an extent, tbh. There's a reason they call it 'getting lucky' You just need to meet a girl who thinks you are good looking, and thon don't be super super weird and boring, and have the guys to move things forward. That's it. Nobody can game a girl into wanting him and being attracted to him if you're just not her type (as is clear if you watch enough infield footage). Therefore it's always 'luck' in a sense since it's not in your control
/r/seduction27/11/24 07:59 PM
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i've never seen someone, including the best PUA's, convince a girl into liking them. You can always tell so so early on in an interaction/infield whether she is interested or not. His 'game' and PUA stuff just doesn't work if he's not her type
/r/seduction01/11/24 06:57 PM
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the smartphone changed everything
/r/seduction14/10/24 05:56 PM
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I quite like this opener. Mainly because they always say that women have much better social sklls than men, and whenever i'd go out with my really good looking friend, this is how they would open HIM, 90% of the time. Basically pretend to recognise him. THe other 10% would just tell him he's hot lol SO, if that opener is good enough for hot young girls, it's good enough to me lol
/r/seduction01/09/24 09:15 PM
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It’s always different man but she has to be attracted to you number one. Don’t waste time on the ones that aren’t. You’ll know if she is interested in your or not this needs to be plastered all over the front page of this sub lol Would stop a lot of arguments and stop people wasting their time trying their super 'game' and their tips and tricks and stuff on girls who are just NOT into them! lol
/r/seduction01/09/24 09:00 PM
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People don't seem to get it, man. I'M kinda ugly(!!) and i've hooked up with some stunners myself! I'm not saying it's not possible. But the reason this happens (imo) is basically because you luck out and find a hot girl who has unusual (non conventional) tastes in what a good looking guy is. I was banging a gorgeous, much younger girl until recently and she made it clear it was all about my looks and she decided to bang me before i'd said a word. that doesn't stop me getting rejected by much wo…
/r/seduction01/09/24 08:55 PM
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it's always 'fools mate', tbh we all bang teh girls who are clearly attracted to us and who make it easy for us We all end up going home alone if the girls we approached AREN'T into us, and thus our 'game' has no effect
/r/seduction01/09/24 05:14 PM
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you basically need luck You can do it regularly though, IF for example you are mega rich. (but at that point i've always thought you may as well just used hookers! lol) For example though, I've pulled a few absolutely stunners who are way out of my league at times. Even my most recent ex was a bombshell. way way younger and way way hotter than me. How did I do it? Luck! I honestly think that there's a percentage of girls out there who do'nt have 'conventional' taste when it comes to waht they th…
/r/seduction29/08/24 10:11 AM
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you need both. You MUST be good looking (according to her tastes). wihtout that, your 'game' and your pushpull lines and self amusement and cold reads blablala are just white noise game get's your foot in the door. From that point you need basic social sklils and the ability to flirt and stuff (game)
/r/seduction26/08/24 08:39 PM
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remember that many of the 'experts' disagree about everything when it comes to game and what to do and say. In other words (as the above should tell you) there ARE no rules. This isn't some science or even a skill. It's a number game. Don't overcomplicate it or get in your head Approach girls. Say whatever comes to mind. ask questions. flirt. whatever. If you are her type it will be obvious and that's when you can escalate If she's not interested in you (again. should be obvious) you walk away a…
/r/seduction25/08/24 05:40 PM
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NONE of these dating coaches are any 'better' than anybody else. I promise. (barring people with social sklls so bad they can't look someone in the eye or something) IF they get results, it's due to approaching so many girls. (I mean, it's their job! lol) You approach enough girls and eventually you'll pull one. But any 'coach' in my body or me in theirs gets basically identical results. There is no magic level where you can 'game' your way into most girls pants lol. it's all bs marketing. you c…
/r/seduction25/08/24 05:31 PM
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you already know everything you need to know. Everyone does, tbh. it's just a numbers game. it's not some mystical 'skill' lol. if she tihnks you're hot you'll get her no matter waht 'game' you use. If she thinks yo're ugly, the best 'game' in the world is just delaying the rejection don't get scammed again!!
/r/seduction25/08/24 11:36 AM
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you're probably doing nothing wrong What do you look like and what do the girls you are approaching look like? And where do you live? For example, if you are 40 and short and fat and you are approaching stunning 18 year olds and you live in the UK, then you could be doing everything PERFECTLY and you'll still get rejected 300 times in a row
/r/seduction14/08/24 08:58 AM
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you're talking about very direct game. the community has always been about split 50/50 50% say it's the only way. the best way. 50% say it's teh worst way and to always be indirect ps - that should really tell you everything you need to know about 'game'. It's not a science at all. It's just random. It's a numbers game. There's really no rules. Some girls will think you are hot. direct OR indirect or any style of 'game' will tend to work on them girls some girls will think you're not hot. Being …
/r/seduction11/08/24 09:18 AM
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this is always my point of view whenever people complain about age gaps! rarely i ever seen someone ELSE say it though. completely correct answer!
/r/seduction07/08/24 10:32 AM
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it is lol. They're the hottest girls (thus most difficult to bang) due to having a million guys in their DM's and having crazy standards etc most are repulsed by someone they think of as 'old'
/r/seduction07/08/24 10:30 AM
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But, simple rule of thumb is this - if it isn’t an enthusiastic ‘yes’? Consider it a ‘no’. NEVER chase after someone who doesn’t want to be caught. good advice Even if you watch the infields of 'professional' PUA's who are the supposed best in the world, you'll soon see the pattern that the girls they bang are the girls who were blatantly interested from the second he opened his mouth (or before"!) When they are giving one word answers or just clearly aren't attracted, it never ever leads too a …
/r/seduction03/08/24 09:27 PM
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lmao
/r/seduction03/08/24 09:23 PM
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over a long enough timeline, everyone realises this It just takes some longer to work it out than others ive read and tested EVERYTHING and I came to the same conclusion many years ago I'm not some bitter incel virgin. I've actually had my fair share of girls. Some have been much hotter and younger than me. However, that doesn't mean i'm a stud. I truly think it's about luck and the girls personal preference. I just got lucky (BUT made my own luck by cold approaching so many girls!) that I found…
/r/seduction31/07/24 06:00 PM
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just carry on as you are! If you approach a random girl who hasn't been given you the eye etc, then there's a much higher chance that you're just not her type Wait for them to come to you. My ex wingman was SUPER handsome, and he got approached like 6 times per night and banged every time he went out lol
/r/seduction31/07/24 09:05 AM
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I observed so many guys get insta-rejected last night simply approaching girls. They gave no opportunity to actually speak and get to know the guys. this is why looks always come first with cold approach Even in pubs. She'll just not talk back or will be very abrupt etc if you're not her type. YOu can't negotiate attraction
/r/seduction31/07/24 09:04 AM
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exactly. if she's lying to you about having a boyfriend, it just means you're not her type so you'd still be wasting your time lol
/r/seduction28/07/24 06:15 PM
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if she's lying to you about having a boyfriend, it just means you're not her type so you'd still be wasting your time lol
/r/seduction28/07/24 06:15 PM
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great field report And it follows the same pattern that I always seen on lay reports (e.g basically rejections because you're not her type or whatever, and then a lay that is easy as hell because you ARE her type). I've actually had many many identical nights It's a numbers game good stuff
/r/seduction28/07/24 06:10 PM
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good game, good game
/r/seduction26/07/24 10:07 AM
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this And if she's NOT at all attracted to you, it doesn't matter what you say. At all. You can't jedi mind control a girl lol.
/r/seduction25/07/24 04:36 PM
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Of course there's such a thing as being better or worse at communication, but it's only relevant at extreme levels. So, if someone is lets say extremely autistic and they can't hold eye contact and they can't hold the most basic convo etc, then of course they will struggle. Even if they are quite good looking. But it doesn't really work the other way around. I don't know how many infields i'd have to link people to to prove this! We have all the proof we need when we look at the rejections from …
/r/seduction25/07/24 07:38 AM
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you can't learn from your mistakes unless your mistakes are things lke you spat when you spoke or something! She basically decides yes or no before you've even delivered your opener. Trying to work out what you said 'wrong' is almost always a fools errand! The answer is basically always 'you did nothing wrong. YOu weren't her type. Hense her reaction. NEXT!!''
/r/seduction24/07/24 10:16 PM
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there's kind of no such thing. If someone gets laid a tonne with hot young girls, it's never because of his 'game'. PUA's get laid, but it's because they are approaching so many girls that they stumble across the girls who are attracted to them Weirdly, i'd say most PUA's actually do more harm than good with their various 'tricks' and lines and theories etc and tend to come across quite strange, messing up what should be 'lay ups' due to their 'rules' ! ('mystery' is probably a decent example of…
/r/seduction24/07/24 10:15 PM
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i don't know why this (the idea that girls approach) is contentious on this sub tbh! Girls approach loads! I used to have a really good looking wingman who honestly got approached about 6 times per night. All he had to do was not piss his pants or spit when he talked and he got a makeout or a lay lol both sexes are the same, visual creatures
/r/seduction24/07/24 08:54 AM
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it's not really a 'skill, tbh. That's probably where you're going wrong (you've bought into the koolaid!) Nobody can 'seduce' a girl if she doesn't want to be seduced by that man (because he's not her type or whatever.). It's pure marketing 'game' is about becoming as attractive as you can (gym, fashion, money etc) and then approaching lots of girls, and escalating on the ones who want you! Nobody is 'convincing' a girl into attractionand taking her from 'hell no' to 'yes' using their pushpull l…
/r/seduction23/07/24 09:39 AM
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You gotta up those numbers lmaoooo 6/6 ain’t shit you gotta go hit 80 this is actually true, but people don't like to admit it and want to believe this lie that if only they can 'learn game' and use these amazing 'seduction lines' and 'attraction material' blabla, then they can get whoever they want. It's the biggest load of BS lol I'ts a game of numbers. Unless you look like a young Leo Dicaprio, then teh fact is taht you are going to need to approach a LOT of hot young girls before you find on…
/r/seduction22/07/24 10:46 AM
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/r/seduction04/07/24 09:29 AM
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this!
/r/seduction04/07/24 09:02 AM
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yes. If you are going for girls way hotter and way younger than you for example. You could have the best 'game' in the world and still take 200 L's in a row. You can't make a girl attracted to you. This isn't jedi mind control
/r/seduction04/07/24 08:44 AM
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It can be something super random like commenting on their drink in a neggy sort of way. “That looks like a creamy girly drink.” (She proceeds to stick her straw in my mouth) thanks. That's probably more similar to the sort of opens I use. I nearly always go with situational/observational openers (clothes, drink, hair, whatever) But yeah, most of the time the girls react as if they've never spoken too a stranger before and look at me with a mixture of contempt and confusion! haha Not to say it ne…
/r/seduction04/06/24 06:58 AM
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you must be in America?!!! They're insane about 'age gaps' over there compared to the rest of the world lol. Like, late 30's and mid twenties isn't on anyone elses radar as being controversial except Americans! haha I'm nearly 40 and I banged girls as young as 17-22 fairly recently! And its barely even a conversation point! (age of consent being 16 heere btw, and we don't have age gap laws. UK)
/r/seduction30/05/24 09:10 AM
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I know someone who got DM'd by a hot girl on linkedin who was flirting hard from the get go. Very good looking dude. So I guess that counts.
/r/seduction30/05/24 09:07 AM
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I also don’t know what women find attractive, is it someone’s joking and throwing jokes, is it someone who asks questions and get to know them. Or what exactly it depends on the girls personality and more importantly, whether she is attracted to you or not: There's guys who crush it by being very jokey and humerous There's guys who crush it by being very 'stoic' and serious There's guys who crush it by being super direct about their intentions and make their attraction crystal clear (used to be …
/r/seduction30/05/24 08:24 AM
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yep. Big cock plus being able to last is winning!! they'll keep coming back like a crack addict!
/r/seduction29/05/24 09:15 PM
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i'm unbelievable in bed. Girls always tell me.
/r/seduction29/05/24 09:14 PM
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tell me you've got a giant hog without telling me you've got a giant hog! You could satisfy a blue whale, my man!! Kudos!!!
/r/seduction29/05/24 09:13 PM
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get a penis reduction?
/r/seduction29/05/24 05:07 PM
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We can’t call it “seduction” in proper terms to be fair, every infield lay i've ever seen is when the girl is clearly into the guy from the off. And the rest of the infields are rejections where he's trying to 'seduce' her but to no avail I don't think 'seduction' in terms of MAKING a girl attracted to you due to you verbals and body language etc is even a thing from what i've seen from the apparent 'best'
/r/seduction29/05/24 03:40 PM
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So I’m just quiet and nonchalant around them. isn't that supposed to make them chase after you? 'Women are drawn to disinterest' kinda thing? Or 'women are like cats' etc?
/r/seduction29/05/24 02:12 PM
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Austen Summers (dating coach), once said London and England is awful for game I've had a hell of a lot more success in every other country compared to the UK. I'm native though. Not in London though. Interesting to hear Austen Say that. All I'll say is that for me and 99% of my friends (excluding the ones who look like models) when you approach a really hot young girl in a bar or whatever, it's almost certain to be met with a girl who looks at you with a mixture of contempt/confusion/disgust and…
/r/seduction29/05/24 06:37 AM
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You can talk your way out of attraction but pretty much never into it. couldn't put it better myself
/r/seduction28/05/24 07:39 PM
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your buddy knows what he's doing. It's honestly the only way. PUA's spend too much time trying to 'convert' a girl from no to yes and it just never works! they think they can tease/pushpull/neg/dhv/game their way into her pants, but in reality he's just delaying the rejection. She basically decides in a nano second tbh. We even see this in 99% of infields! teh girls they bang are always the girls that were receptive to teh approach So yeah, get in there and shoot your shot. If she's not interest…
/r/seduction28/05/24 06:14 PM
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that's what I thought you'd say :) But yeah, i think i'm exceptional in bed too, tbh. I have a decent amount of experience myself!
/r/seduction28/05/24 03:57 PM
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I'm not really sure what you mean with that question but i'll try to answer. I remember a LOT of my lays, though (and as I say, basically all of them was a matter of her making it very easy for me. But I think that's always the case. i've never seen someone bang a girl who was very uninterested on the open) Anyway, one of my first lays many years ago where she done the work to give you an example: I was at my parents house party celebrating my brothers wedding engagement. I was about 18? I was j…
/r/seduction28/05/24 12:17 PM
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thanks. Good post. I do agree with lots of that stuff tbh. (but then it's basically all the 'non mechanical' side of sex. Guys who brag about being amzing in bed tend to imply they've got some sort of magic cock and somehow stroke in a way no other guy can which i think is just nonsense, tbh) When i've spoken to girls about what makes a guy good in bed, they've said really basic stuff like eye contact. (other than those who say a thick large cock that doesn't bust too fast) I like your list thou…
/r/seduction28/05/24 11:56 AM
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I guess you could add in positions. Some positions feel better for her, but I think every guy knows all about the various positions nowadays since every male has been watching porn since they were like 12 lol I personally think it's just about size and how long you can last when it comes to actual penetration When you ask girls about this stuff, they tend to talk about shit like eye contact and stuff, but i'm talking about the actual act of banging Eating pussy is another one, but I feel like it…
/r/seduction28/05/24 11:52 AM
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most times i've got laid, the girl basically done a lot of the work in terms of flirting and escalation etc. I really think when a girl thinks you're hot it all just takes care of itself (and when you're not her type, nothing works and the interaction just ends)
/r/seduction28/05/24 11:10 AM
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probably lots of tattoos. And maybe hit teh gym and get a ripped body that you show off with wearing T-shirts and stuff. I imagine that's good enough. Girls think bad boys are good in bed, basically edit: downvoters, how DARE you!! lol. It's a good answer, tbh. most answers are just bluepill, unactionable nonsense
/r/seduction28/05/24 11:08 AM
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every guy thinks they're incredible in bed, tbh lol. I guess because there's just so little variance possible from a physical point of view (e.g it's just a penis and you can't make it do sommeraults inside of her lol so every guy basically bangs the same, but what separates them is probably size and how long they can last)
/r/seduction28/05/24 11:07 AM
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what situational openers do you like personally? I tried a few recently on really pretty young girls in bars and 9/10 times they just look at you like they hate you or as if you are speaking another language, and then they just move away or say 'i've got a boyfriend' or turn around as if they need saving etc.
/r/seduction27/05/24 08:31 PM
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agreed!! This game is about approaching and finding the girls who like you. And that's what he's doing. If you're not her type, you're not her type. Move on to the next!
/r/seduction22/05/24 11:43 AM
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i think the opposite. He's totally cut out for it! He's an approach machine with no approach anxiety! The fact most girls aren't attracted to him is out of his hands. If he's not her type (too short, old, bald whatever) then there's nothing he can do about it
/r/seduction22/05/24 11:43 AM
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your results are probably about typical of an average looking guy. (hitting on strangers in the street) An 'expert' PUA in your body would almost certainly get the same results/hit rate.
/r/seduction22/05/24 11:35 AM
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I used to always think this and it sometimes drove me to approach more, but I have to say, as the rejections rack up (especially when you get really harsh rejections) I sometimes wonder if just not approaching the ones who you just know you have no chance with is maybe the better choice lol. I don't think it's good for your psyche to keep taking L's! Regret of not approaching ALSO seems to reduce over time, and I guess it makes sense (since you kind of know that it VERY likely wouldn't have work…
/r/seduction29/04/24 04:49 PM
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I never really stopped taking them so can't say. But like I mentioned, I don't think i've ever read of that as a side effect before so maybe it's just my weird brain chemistry lol. I still feel jealous of course but it's much less. In the old days if I saw my good looking friend get approached by a stunner and just throw herself at him and then find out he banged her, i'd get that massive rise in my blood pressure or a cortisol spike or something lol. I just don't seem to get that anymore
/r/seduction28/04/24 03:13 PM
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it's normal dude. I was jealous as hell for years but I kinda got used too it PS - Totally off topic in a way, but I took SSRI's for anxiety at one point and it seems to have the very unexpected effect of making me way less jealous/envious. It like that whole emotion got muted! Not advising it of course! It just sprang to my mind lol But yeah, life isn't fair. Being a really good looking dude is like shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to getting laid
/r/seduction28/04/24 02:30 PM
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I got a tonne of really rude rejections from pretty young girls last night and now i think i wanna forget cold approach and do more 'social', 'mutual' things where an approach is warm, like how the OP describes
/r/seduction28/04/24 02:22 PM
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how can I even get to that...? I really don't think you can ever compete with them guys. It's just the way it is. Accept it. I have some very good looking friends too and it's a completely different world for them (as you say, they do nothing and hot girls throw themselves at them) But if doesn't mean you can't get some success, too. It just means you'll need to do a hell of a lot more approaches and you need to find the (smaller percentage) oof girls who are attracted to you
/r/seduction28/04/24 02:00 PM
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I don't think there's a book called 'London Daygame model', is there? I have some of Tom's stuff somewhere but that doesn't ring a bell.
/r/seduction28/04/24 09:47 AM
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good job. I went out last night and hit on 5 different girls, each time probably the hottest girls in the bar. However, they all rejected me. Some in a kinda rude way! haha (like me starting a convo and them looking at me like i'm on fire and turning away, or just saying 'not interested' or 'I have a BF') That girl just lied about having a boyfriend though! haha (i overheard her behind me after the rejection) It is what it is. On we go!!
/r/seduction28/04/24 09:41 AM
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