A very well reasoned infographic about rape. It's nice because it's non-offensive and so I can show it to anyone.

edtastic · 2014-02-21T11:44:34+00:00

I see a problem from the top of the graphic:

"40% of rapist outside of prison are women"

In fact surveys on prison sexual abuse show 2-4 times as many cases from female prisons as they do in male prisons. Truth be told prison sexual abuse isn't a primarily a male issue but don't talk about it much because we have this stereotype in our heads.

The issue of female on female sexual abuse in prison really blows up the feminists perspective on sexual violence.

One of many studies demonstrating this:

Prevalence rates were highest for female inmates, with 21.2% (212 per 1,000) reporting an incident of some type of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization in the previous 6 months. This rate was four and a half times higher than that estimated for male inmates (4.3%). Incidents of abusive sexual contact contributed most of the difference in inmate-on-inmate prevalence rates by gender. Female inmates were roughly six times more likely to report an incident of abusive sexual contact than their male counterparts (20.1 vs. 3.5%), while only being twice as likely to report an incident of a nonconsensual sex act (3.2 vs. 1.5%, respectively). There were no statistically significant differences between males and females in rates of experiencing staff-on-inmate sexual violence. While female inmates were more likely to be sexually victimized by other inmates than by staff (21.2 vs. 7.6%), male inmates were more likely to report an incident of sexual victimization perpetrated by staff (7.6 vs. 4.3%).

Now I'm just waiting for these feminists to go into a women's prison and insist "Men can stop RAPE!" When women prisoners are twice as likely report incidents of inmate on inmate nonconsensual sex.

hrda · 2014-02-21T16:58:48+00:00

This article lists a bunch of other sources.

Some notable ones:

Anderson 1998 – Survey of 461 women (general population) 43% secured sexual acts by verbal coercion; 36.5% by getting a man intoxicated; threat of force – 27.8%, use of force – 20%; By threatening a man with a weapon – 8.9%.

Anderson and Aymami (1993) 28.5% of women reported the use of verbal coercion, 14.7% had coerced a man into sexual activity by getting him intoxicated and 7.1% had threatened or used physical force.

Krahe, Waizenhofer & Moller (2003) – 9.3% of women reported having used aggressive strategies to coerce a man into sexual activities. Exploitation of the man’s incapacitated state: 5.6% Verbal pressure: 3.2%. Physical force: 2%. An additional 5.4% reported attempted acts of sexual aggression

Russell and Oswald (2001) – 18% of women in a college sample reported engaging in sexually coercive behaviors, ranging from verbal threats and pressure to use of physically aggressive tactics.

Sisco, Becker, Figueredo, & Sales (2005) – A third of women reported that they had verbally harassed a person or pressured the person into performing a sexual act that the person felt uncomfortable with while roughly one in ten performed a coercive sexual act that would be considered illegal (e.g., sexual acts that involved a person who was unable or unwilling to consent)

Struckman-Johnson (1988) – 2% of 355 female college students reported they had forced sex on a dating partner at least once in their lifetime.

So, a fairly high percentage of women admit to committing sexual assault. It's close to the percentage of men who admit to committing sexual assault on similar studies.

YM_Industries · 2014-02-21T09:34:55+00:00

I've heard a lot of stories about female rapists. They're definitely not something rare, just not reported as much. They often use the threat of false rape accusation to successfully commit rape. It begs the question. When all of these women go around making sure to point out it's basically only men who rape, are they really just the special kind of fucked up women who're protecting their favorite tool for committing rape?

Bukkake_Monster · 2014-02-21T10:08:22+00:00

It's still offensive to feminist because it goes against their victim subscription

pericardiyum · 2014-02-21T21:13:13+00:00

I read this last night and tried to make sense of the numbers. It's mentioned that in order to rape you must penetrate vaginally orally or anally. Then the following table shows a bullet point for no male rape victims. Yet above it states 1 in 71 men are raped. Which one is it? Do men only admit to being made to penetrate? Clearly no, later it mentions men are raped 93.3% of the time by other men, but 0% of the time? None of these numbers add up. What I'm understanding otherwise is the real issue here regarding the misconception of the public and feminists especially is the difference or lack thereof of the terms "rape" and "made to penetrate". Maybe they should make a column for women "made to receive penetration" classified as sexual violence but not rape. I don't see the difference.

Ripowal1 · 2014-02-21T15:23:25+00:00

I'm not sure how well this will be received here, but the CDC refuted the incorrect use of statistics in this infographic (and the original article) over 5 months ago:

"Thank you for your inquiry regarding the NISVS data and for providing the background information pertaining to your question. It appears that the math used to derive an estimated percentage of female rapists that you found at the various websites you forwarded to us is flawed. First, we will summarize the assertion and what we perceive to be the basis for the assertion. According to the web links, the “40% of rapists were women” was derived from these two steps:

1) Combining the estimated number of female rape victims with the estimated number of being-made-to-penetrate male victims in the 12 months prior to the survey to conclude that about 50% of the rape or being-made-to-penetrate victims were males;

2) Multiplying the estimated percentage (79%) of male being-made-to-penetrate victims who reported having had female perpetrators in these victims’ lifetime with the 50% obtained in step 1 to claim that 40% of perpetrators of rape or being-made-to-penetrate were women.

None of these calculations should be used nor can these conclusions be correctly drawn from these calculations. To explain, in NISVS we define rape as “any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.” We defined sexual violence other than rape to include being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences. Made to penetrate is defined as including “times when the victim was made to, or there was an attempt to make them, sexually penetrate someone without the victim’s consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.” The difference between “rape” and “being made to penetrate” is that in the definition of rape the victim is penetrated; “made to penetrate” by definition refers to cases where the victim penetrated someone else. While there are multiple definitions of rape and sexual violence used in the field, CDC, with the help of experts in the field, has developed these specific definitions of rape and other forms of sexual violence (such as made to penetrate, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences). We use these definitions to help guide our analytical decisions. Regarding the specific assertion in question, several aspects of mistreatments of the data and the published estimates occurred in the above derivation:

A. While the percentage of female rape victims and the percentage of male being-made-to-penetrate victims were inferred from the past 12-month estimates by combining two forms of violence, the percentage of perpetrator by sex was taken from reported estimates for males for lifetime. This mismatch of timeframes is incorrect because the past 12-month victimization cannot be stretched to equate with lifetime victimization. In fact, Tables 2.1 and 2.2 of the NISVS 2010 Summary Report clearly report that lifetime rape victimization of females (estimated at 21,840,000) ~~and lifetime being-made-to-penetrate victimization of males (estimated at 1,581,000) have very different relative magnitudes.~~ [edit: update at the bottom of this post]

B. An arithmetic confusion appears when multiplying the two percentages together to conclude that the product is a percentage of all the “rapists”, an undefined perpetrator population. Multiplying the percentage of male victims (as derived in step 1) above) to the percentage of male victims who had female perpetrators cannot give a percentage of perpetrators mathematically because to get a percentage of female rape perpetrators, one must have the total rape perpetrators (the denominator), and the number of female perpetrators of this specific violence (the numerator). Here, neither the numerator nor the denominator was available.

C. Data collected and analyzed for the NISVS 2010 have a “one-to-multiple” structure (where the “one” refers to one victim and the “multiple” refers to multiple perpetrators). While not collected, it is conceivable that any perpetrator could have multiple victims. These multiplicities hinder any attempt to get a percentage of perpetrators such as the one described in steps 1) and 2), and nullify the reverse calculation for obtaining a percent of perpetrators. For example, consider an example in which a girl has eight red apples while a boy has two green apples. Here, 50% of the children are boys and another 50% are girls. It is not valid to multiply 50% (boy) with 100% (boy’s green apples) to conclude that “50% of all the apples combined are green”. It is clear that only 20% of all the apples are green (two out of 10 apples) when one combines the red and green apples together. Part of the mistake in the deriving of the “50%” stems from a negligence to take into account the inherent multiplicity: a child can have multiple apples (just as a victim can have multiple perpetrators).

D. As the study population is U.S. adults in non-institutional settings, the sample was designed to be representative of the study population, not the perpetrator population (therefore no sampling or weighting is done for the undefined universe of perpetrators). Hence, while the data can be analyzed to make statistical inferences about the victimization of U.S. adults residing in non-institutional settings, the NISVS data are incapable of lending support to any national estimates of the perpetrator population, let alone estimates of perpetrators of a specific form of violence (say, rape or being-made-to-penetrate).

E. Combining the estimated past 12-month female rape victims with the estimated past 12-month being-made-to-penetrate male victims cannot give an accurate number of all victims who were either raped or being-made-to-penetrate, even if this combination is consistent with CDC’s definition. Besides a disagreement with the definitions of the various forms of violence given in the NISVS 2010 Summary Report, this approach of combining the 12-month estimated number of female rape victims with the 12-month estimated number of male victims misses victims in the cells where reliable estimates were not reported due to small cell counts failing to meet statistical reliability criteria. For any combined form of violence, the correct analytical approach for obtaining a national estimate is to start at the raw data level of analysis, if such a creation of a combined construct is established.

We hope that this explanation is helpful and addresses your questions. Thank you for your interest in NISVS.

The NISVS Team

~~~~

We received a similar request to your recent inquiry and when reviewing our response realized we provided you some incorrect information in Section A. Here is the correction and we also included some additional information to help further clarify our points.

Regarding the specific assertion in question, several aspects of mistreatments of the data and the published estimates occurred in the above derivation:

A. While the percentage of female rape victims and the percentage of male being-made-to-penetrate victims were inferred from the past 12-month estimates by combining two forms of violence, the percentage of perpetrator by sex was taken from reported estimates for males for lifetime (a misuse of the percentage of male victims who reported only female perpetrators in their lifetime being made to penetrate victimization). This mismatch of timeframes is incorrect because the past 12-month victimization cannot be stretched to equate with lifetime victimization. In fact, Table 2.1 and 2.2 of the NISVS 2010 Summary Report clearly report that lifetime rape victimization of females (estimated at 21,840,000) is about 4 times the number of lifetime being made-to-penetrate of males (estimated at 5,451,000). [Emphasis added]"

This of course doesn't reduce the importance of male victims of rape, but this "well-reasoned infographic" is not actually valid and spreads misinformation.

YM_Industries · 2014-02-21T09:23:33+00:00

Original post: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1jnf48/infographic_40_of_rapists_are_female/?already_submitted=true

Found in a comments thread here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ygsqk/a_very_old_man_pointed_this_out_to_me_on_the_bus/cfkn50s

It's been posted before, but quite a few people in the comments mentioned that they'd never seen it before, so I thought I'd repost it for visibility.

ssj4kevin · 2014-02-21T13:03:25+00:00

I see an issue. When it says that 79.2% of male victims of 'made to penetrate' report a female perpetrator, you cannot then say that 79.2% of those rapists are female because you are forgetting about other kinds of rape. It doesn't include forced penetration, for example (which is certainly also rape). You would need to take into account how many men are forced to be penetrated, as well as the relative frequency of that kind of rape. Am I wrong?

2014-02-21T23:58:25+00:00

That graphics states that 12% of all women will be forcefully succesfully penetrated against their will within their live. Thats ridiculous.

typhonblue · 2014-02-21T17:40:26+00:00

These numbers are absurd and I'm sure someone here will debunk them shortly.

Title	A very well reasoned infographic about rape. It's nice because it's non-offensive and so I can show it to anyone.
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