Man who has his sperm stolen and used for IVF wins case that forces doctors involved to pay child support for the children instead of him (Germany)

tango646 · 2012-04-20T14:58:13+00:00

And why not make the mother raise them on her own with her own money. Classic case of no agency, no matter what choice women makes someone have else have to fit the bill. This is one fucked up decision, they essentially rewarded her thus ensuring others to try this shit.

ENTP · 2012-04-20T16:53:30+00:00

I don't think we can consider this a victory, guys.

TheTyger · 2012-04-20T17:45:31+00:00

While I agree that child support should not be present in any way in this case, I also think it was correct to punish the doctor, and also likely the facility in general

had his sperm frozen in 2004. The storage contract was limited to twelve months. The twins were born in November 2007.

This shows that the sperm that was used should not have still existed. Unless there is a further contract, it is the duty of the facility to actually destroy the sperm when it is time to do so.

Unfortunately, one thing that I really hate about this article is:

The man, who portrayed himself as a victim...

The article seems to want to make it seem that he was not a victim in this case, where it should fall into the same general ballpark of a confidence trick, or theft by deception. He was not 'portraying' himself as a victim, but was actually victimized in an attempt to get his money. Why the hell can't an article actually stick to the facts here, instead of subtly trying to undermine the ruling?

ThirdEyedea · 2012-04-20T18:48:34+00:00

Are you fucking serious? Shouldn't it be common sense if the sperm was stolen that the male takes no responsibility?

SpeakToTheSky · 2012-04-20T15:40:48+00:00

He said his relationship with the children’s mother was practically at an end at the time of the insemination, he admitted he could not explain why she had chosen to go through with the procedure.

Probably because she sensed her meal ticket was leaving and decided to get pregnant to make sure she'd stay close to his money as long as she could. She still got it in this case. Glad that he's off the hook, of course, but it's sad to know that lives were brought into this world so that a woman could live comfortably for the rest of her life.

ENTP · 2012-04-20T16:27:40+00:00

And not one iota of responsibility was taken that day.

CrystalCorbin · 2012-04-20T16:56:13+00:00

I'm glad he won. Obvious, ex wife should face some charges too.

Not so obvious, should he get pain and suffering damages for having this happen? I know as a father I have an attachment to my children, I can't imagine how I would feel about these children of 'mine'. I'm not trying to circlejerk this, just putting out my opinion.

kanuk876 · 2012-04-20T13:55:01+00:00

A commenter is complaining that the mother wasn't punished, and I 100% agree with that, but I also feel the doctors bear some responsibility because they didn't do their due diligence. Why didn't they try to contact him and ask if he wanted this? The mother ultimately should be facing charges for fraud though.

Hopefully this will encourage IVF doctors (in Germany) to be more careful in future.

That woman must think she's hit the jackpot, not one but two doctors on the hook, her future child support is guaranteed and she won't have to work for the next 18 years.

RaptorPrincess · 2012-04-20T23:45:32+00:00

I work in a research lab, and what struck me was how poorly they followed proper protocol. Everything in labs has schedules, guidelines, due dates, etc. They clearly weren't paying attention to leave "expired" specimens lying around. Usually, when a lab is lax on certain things, the whole facility has a "meh" attitude, and this led to trouble with that good faith assumption.

I agree the woman should be sought out for punitive measurements, and the doctors shouldn't be the ones paying the child support until the kids are 18. However, being unprofessional in a lab like this should always be met with some type of fine. If doctors and scientists in lab environments can't follow proper procedure, it's bad/unreliable/detrimental science.

What's scary is that this likely means other samples are lying around after expired contracts. This could easily happen again.

a_weed_wizard · 2012-04-21T01:25:50+00:00

another case of a woman using children as a human shield to avoid responsibility for her actions, and a legal system in which justice is definitely not blind

emptyhunter · 2012-04-20T18:08:06+00:00

It's funny how I know more about the law of a foreign country than my own, but I think in my home country of England you get a child benefit, funded by the taxpayers, which is a much better way of spreading the burden

2012-04-21T01:34:00+00:00

If the woman had taken the sperm from a sperm bank the doctors wouldn't have to pay child support. I don't see why this is any different.

ENTP · 2012-04-21T00:44:54+00:00

If anything, she should be convicted of rape.

Jahonay · 2012-04-21T01:12:32+00:00

So fucked up, this woman should have to take care of her children with her own money.

Supahmove · 2012-04-20T14:56:06+00:00

LOL

Awesome.

Title	Man who has his sperm stolen and used for IVF wins case that forces doctors involved to pay child support for the children instead of him (Germany)
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Date	April 20, 2012 1:53 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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