"If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."

Alanna · 2012-02-25T00:49:45+00:00

Last I checked, in a justice system in which you are innocent until proven guilty, everyone can and should view every rape claim as a "Schrodinger's Accusation."

mustbesleeping · 2012-02-25T21:00:49+00:00

Why is the notion of Schrödinger's rapist something that men have to fight back from? Why isn't it a problem both sexes want to solve?

To me, it's not about being afraid of every man. It's just about uncertainty. There's an inherent uncertainty in trying to determine who is safe and who is not (in many regards, not just rape). While some may take that uncertainty and become fearful, I think it's moreso about just being aware of that uncertainty on both sides. Men can have that same awareness of uncertainty about who will do whatever to you, but why is the fact that who might rape a woman is of concern to her something men need to fight back on?

mikesteane · 2012-02-25T04:51:17+00:00

Just in passing, it is worth noting what the Schrodinger's cat story is about. During about the three decades from about 1920 onward, there was a division among top physicists about quantum mechanics. There were those, notably Einstein and Schrodinger who refused to believe that chance was a factor in physics and those who insisted that the evidence pointed to exactly this conclusion. Einstein famously said in different ways that "God" did not play dice and Schrodinger made up his story of the cat to elucidate his opposition to the direction of quantum physics. Current evidence would suggest that "God" does indeed play dice and that light does follow multiple paths at the same time.

2012-02-26T00:38:44+00:00

....Guessing you guys aren't up to date on your quantum mechanics? You're accused and not accused at the same time?

This stupidity got me rubbbing my temples. You messed up the metaphor horribly and also show that you don't even understand why it was created in the first place.

And you claim not to be reactionary.

bbeard · 2012-02-25T04:13:07+00:00

You should also point out how the term "Schrodinger's Rapist" shows a profound misunderstanding of the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q411e/how_i_feel_whenever_i_see_people_use_the_phrase/c3uoqx4

2012-02-25T07:27:20+00:00

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SilencingNarrative · 2012-02-25T05:22:34+00:00

I think presumption of innocence requires that all accisations of crime, not just rape, be taken as possibly false. A better response to schroedingers rapist is schrodingers false rape accuser: the belief that any woman could potentially accuse you of raping her.

kronox · 2012-02-24T23:37:39+00:00

It's a great tactic. There is so much more that can be said to crush the opponents argument (that every man is almost a guaranteed rapist), but i feel this is a very good intro to get people's heads thinking.

lockedge · 2012-02-25T03:42:59+00:00

I think the notion of Schroedinger's rapist, at least from a female's view, is a useful tool for one thing in specific. Approaching women in public areas they cannot leave by their own will is something that can be a problem for women, especially if such approaches involve unwanted attention. These areas contain the individual and ensure they cannot leave for a set period of time, and generally people in numbers don't do anything when someone is being harassed. For instance, trains, buses even, subways..all not very good places to get temporarily contained within. It's useful to know that being able to read body language is very important, and that no one is entitled to return anyone's attention/advances/conversation.

It's, for me, not assuming all men are rapists. It's a declaration that a lot of men either don't give a shit about reading body language, or taking silence for an answer when they're talking to women they don't know in these kinds of public areas. These men come across as potentially dangerous and strangers to remember in case one doesn't have the best intentions at a later date.

I don't feel that's all that unacceptable. Does it still carry a number of issues with it? Sure. But it has its uses, and so long as you aren't entirely inconsiderate, you're not likely to fall under its domain.

devtesla · 2012-02-25T22:05:36+00:00

I used this statement to great effect today in a discussion, winning a rare moment of silence and actual contemplation among my debate opponents.

Yea, that was probably more of a stunned silence kind of thing. You'd get the same thing by telling someone "I want to eat your shit" or something like that.

2012-02-26T00:54:57+00:00

I agree with others that any accusation should require proof to maintain the innocence until proven guilty.

Also, isn't a more accurate comparison to say "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men must view every woman as a potential False Rape Accuser." That is using the same shared variable for both genders. Women are afraid of being raped, and men are afraid of being accused of rape.

Good job though.

deejaweej · 2012-02-25T02:28:10+00:00

I'd like to see a version of this that can be used for generalized fear of men. I can't count the number of times I've been treated poorly or told to treat other men poorly because there is a chance he might end up violent. There is being prepared, and then there is being afraid. I think people are too far to the latter these days.

dontmovedontmoveahhh · 2012-02-25T13:23:43+00:00

This article touches on this and I was curious about people's response. It talks about this "culture of terror" as you call it. It is it is constantly reinforced, by the media which can sensationalize it and create a poor missing white girl epidemic, where there isn't one, but also by personal experience, being followed or groped, I just found out someone I know was recently raped and I know I'll be thinking about rape differently for a while because of that, it's much closer to home. I don't know anyone who was falsely accused of rape, not that it doesn't happen of course, but no one has told me about it. And personally, I'd rather be falsely accused of rape then be raped and this is far less likely, so I'd take more precautions to prevent rape then false accusations of rape. Both are violations but I value my bodily integrity over my perception by people as an evil rapist, hypothetically speaking.

2012-02-25T23:07:47+00:00

among my debate opponents.

I want the story behind this.

2012-02-25T10:10:11+00:00

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2012-02-25T05:22:34+00:00

Until the US government tells these women, when they work in HR, that you are guilty until proven innocent, then, the same women become good little nazi's to the feminist hate machine.

"If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."

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Title	"If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."
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