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Lets just get it over with and change the subreddit to /r/Circumcision
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What in the heck are you talking about? Doing circumcisions in utero? First of all, if scientists ever figure out a way to "cause circumcision through genetics while in utero", then that would be a different thing than circumcision through cutting. That would be a form of genetic engineering, and would probably be very difficult to do, because it would involve genetically modifying the development of the sex organs in fetuses.
The same technology could probably be used to give men 12 inch cocks. It's a really ridiculous thing to tie the possible development of such a technology at some point in the future to the fight to ban male genital cutting in today's culture.
The parent's rights argument also doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Female genital cutting has been banned by federal law in the U.S. since the mid-1990s. The parent's rights argument didn't stop lawmakers from banning female genital cutting. But somehow this gets trotted out as a reason for why male genital cutting can't be banned. Female infants deserve more protection than male infants?
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The natural form of the human penis has a foreskin. Circumcision is caused by cutting. When a penis forms in utero, it comes from undifferentiated tissue that in women forms the clitoris and clitoral hood. Male hormones cause the enlarging of the clitoris into a penis, and the skin from the clitoral hood expands downward to cover it.
I don't think it's correct to speak about "natural conditions that cause what appears to be circumcision". Foreskins vary in length from person to person, but the foreskin itself is a natural part of the skin system of the penis. It's not excess skin. It's an integral part of how the penis is formed in utero. It would be an extreme abnormality for a penis to be formed without a foreskin.
As far as CUTTING off a foreskin IN UTERO, I seriously don't know what you are talking about. I don't even think that is possible. I just think it's bizarre that you would even think about that.
It's not just cognitive dissonance. It's institutionalized legal discrimination. If the parent's rights argument doesn't apply to female circumcision, then it shouldn't apply to male circumcision. It goes beyond cognitive dissonance. This is a matter of institutionalized legal discrimination.
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Cutting off a baby's foreskin in utero would involve sticking cutting instruments into a woman's uterus and making a precision cut on a 1/2-inch penis without being able to see what you are doing. This is insane. Even attempting to do this could result in killing the baby.
If you are talking about delivering the baby and doing a circumcision while the baby is still in the birth canal, I hope I don't have to remind you that babies come out head-first. So the baby would be 3/4ths of the way out before they could properly operate on the penis. So we're talking about partial-birth circumcisions now? Lovely. Please don't bring this up ever again.
Look up Dr. Kellogg and his anti-masturbation crusade. Throw in a dash of male disposability, a 5,000-year-old religion, and widespread ignorance about the true form and function of male genitalia, and there you go.
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