Two legal experts in Sweden: Make the those accused of rape prove consent.[NSFW]

iongantas · 2011-04-18T23:01:04+00:00

That results in all kind of crazy. Like making contracts for having a single instance of sex. It boggles.

aladinsane2 · 2011-04-18T22:58:14+00:00

Whoever came up with that is defo straightjacket bait!

Evets616 · 2011-04-19T02:44:49+00:00

Sorry, baby. I have to videotape us. It's the law.

2011-04-18T23:24:37+00:00

So do you have to have them sign a sex waiver? Edit* Spelling

masteroffm · 2011-04-18T23:16:27+00:00

Rape should be classified as a violation of personal integrity, rather than a violent crime, according to the researchers.

So if you misrepresent yourself as let's say a millionaire, and then the other party finds out you lied. Then you made them look foolish and can now be convicted of rape? ಠ_ಠ

pakmanishere · 2011-04-18T23:08:42+00:00

Since 1965, when Sweden first enacted a sex crimes law, roughly 100 to 200 rapists have been convicted every year. However, the number of rapes reported annually has increased from around 300 to more than 5,000.

That's an old article, look at the more recent news: 'Swedish women fake rape to claim payouts'

RsonW · 2011-04-18T23:46:39+00:00

The second comment sums this up entirely:

We follow "innocent until proven guilty" in Sweden, not "guilty until proven innocent." I can see it already. Dislike someone? Tell the police he raped you and he can't do anything to disprove it. There's no evidence and it's her word against his - her word will always win. Wtf?!

A woman doesn't consent to sex if she doesn't have sex with a man. This would make not having sex with a woman rape by definition if she decides to falsely accuse him.

MajorHelix · 2011-04-19T02:20:48+00:00

The Love Contract...by David Chappelle

TheoreticalFunk · 2011-04-18T23:38:06+00:00

Relevant: http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=219422&title=love-contract

ePrime · 2011-04-19T00:45:32+00:00

Every sexual act must be recorded. POV preferred.

rantgrrl · 2011-04-19T01:39:36+00:00

Under this kind of legislation, my husband could get me jailed for rape.

Since I can't prove he ever consented to sex.

Arlieth · 2011-04-19T00:54:11+00:00

"So do you admit that you took the defendant's jeans off?"

"Yes. With her help."

MajorHelix · 2011-04-19T02:21:18+00:00

The Love Contract...by David Chappelle

Do we have to pay royalties? And what about the nondisclosure agreement?

mean0dean0 · 2011-04-19T03:25:26+00:00

What is the "something" the man has to do to prove consent? Is a verbal contract enough, or is there a gift-giving ceremony involved. If a woman provides this contract, is she obligated to go forward with it? Can a man sue for breach of consent?

This is all speculative nonsense, because consent is ultimately a feeling, and as we all know THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE A FEELING. Contract law is entirely inapplicable to people's feelings and personal boundaries.

fondueguy · 2011-04-19T03:37:18+00:00

If there must be blood how about we force the supposed rape victims to prove that they are not false accusers... that would be the flip side!

2011-04-19T04:04:10+00:00

Pretty blatant example of feminists gone absolutely fucking nuts.

Why?

Why is it only men proving? Why is there no proposed law about women having to prove consent?

2011-04-19T04:08:07+00:00

Okay, got my condom on. Now, sign here, here. Here. And date here. Wow, you have a really hot signature. Okay baby, let's do it.

russinrulete · 2011-04-19T05:00:23+00:00

Once again, women are trying to stack their deck in their favor. Under feminism, women never need to be held accountable for their actions. They can just blame men. When are men going to finally get their balls back?

THEhankMOODY · 2011-04-19T05:40:01+00:00

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

BinaryShadow · 2011-04-19T05:42:26+00:00

Fascists.

daygamer · 2011-04-19T08:36:12+00:00

Ok, we'll do the same for false rape accusations too. If any women claiming rape can't prove she was raped she gets sentenced for a false accusation.

das_masterful · 2011-04-19T03:31:22+00:00

Every sperm will have to be registered and the owner will have to pay 1 cent in tax per registration. Any sperm caught outside the man's body will be brought in for questioning.

Seriously, Sweden? You guys are a bunch of idiots to presume guilt instead of innocence. Fuck you.

mielove · 2011-04-19T11:54:09+00:00

Contrary to popular belief in this thread they propose the law for a valid reason. Many "obviously guilty" people walk free because a court of law can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty. If a drunk woman is raped in an alley and she points out who raped her this probably won't hold in a court of law since the defence will say she was drunk and therefore might not remember correctly. In other words the man she pointed out isn't guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

THIS is what the law is meant for. And I get where they're coming from. But I also think such a law apart from being unethical would be misused in practice. So I stick to the idea that it's better to let a guilty person walk free than it is to lock an innocent person up. :/

Title	Two legal experts in Sweden: Make the those accused of rape prove consent.[NSFW]
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Date	April 18, 2011 9:18 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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