What is the goal of the Mens Rights Movement?

Forgetaboutthelonely · 2021-06-28T23:19:10+00:00

I think our mission statement does a good job at answering this.

ilikepizza2626 · 2021-06-29T00:45:49+00:00

To bring attention to misandry in the world and advocate for the rights of men and boys. Not that complicated.

a-man-from-earth · 2021-06-28T23:42:19+00:00

Everybody has human rights
Human rights need to be protected
Everybody should be able to advocate for their rights
Therefore, men should advocate for their rights to be protected.

Hat-tip to /u/iainmf!

As for specific issues, /u/Forgetaboutthelonely already linked the details our mission statement mentions.

helloiseeyou2020 · 2021-06-29T00:45:55+00:00

Do you actually care? Because after we were invited to your sub, I vividly recall nonstop virulence and strawman-reliant browbeating from you

What are you actually, in brutally honest terms, looking for here? What made you suddenly decide to ask what people think?

echonian · 2021-06-29T06:06:31+00:00

To fight for mens rights.

Specifically, to fight for fair representation and treatment of men in areas which are culturally or legally lopsided.

This may involve breaking down the idea that men have to be strong and stoic protectors, and instead should be treated as individuals with their own choices in that.

This may involve fixing laws which benefit women over men unnecessarily.

The final "goal" is for men to not be at any societal disadvantage over women in any area where we are.

I view it just as feminism is viewed for women's rights. Feminism pushes for gender equality and has done a lot of good, but it is often very blind to the specific issues of men as a woman-centric ideology. This means that us men need to also advocate for ourselves.

AskingToFeminists · 2021-06-29T10:02:40+00:00

Here's my usual long answer :

"I would say that the quintessential gender roles are what we call here malagency : the idea that men are perceived as hyper-agentic, and women as hypo-agentic. Agency being the ability to make meaningful decisions, this means that men are perceived as all-powerful, and women as all-powerless.

That is, women are treated as objects. Unable to do anything of importance. Anything that happens to a woman happens to her, not because of her, but because of other circumstances. If a woman commits some horror, it's because of bad circumstances, because of past trauma, because someone made her do it. It's the idea that women are perpetual victims. A woman was beaten up? It's monstrous what is done to her. A woman is addicted? Well, she had a shitty past, she needs acomodations. A woman is violent? What was done to her for it to happen? There must be some explanation in her past. Or maybe she was influenced by some man. Anyway, no matter what complaint a woman makes, it must be valid and paid attention to. After all, women aren't able to have a meaningful impact, so unless we care about their complaints, their problems won't get fixed.

In opposition, men are treated like Gods and demons. Everything that happens is because of them. They are responsible for things. Anything that happens to them is as a consequence of their actions. That means they get credit for what they do, but also for what they didn't do. A man received a beating? He must have deserved it. A man is addicted? Well, he made bad decisions. He should control himself. A man is violent? He's a monster, lock him up. A man who complains is the refore not a man. A man is all powerful, so he doesn't complain. He is in charge. He fixes things.

In short, women complain, and men fix things for them.

In traditional societies, it results in men being out in charge of everything, including women, in order to provide for them and to protect them.

In more affluent societies, where women are less in need of being protected and provided for, that means that women start to complain about the restrictions, which aren't so beneficial. As men are in charge of fixing what women complain about, they give women what they want.

But those gender roles are inscribed in our instincts. We are constantly wondering, women and men alike "are the women safe? Do they need something?" and to satiate those instincts, we find smaller and smaller things to fix for women. And as the external sources of danger to women disappear, the only source of danger left is men, the ones who are all powerful and all responsible.

So we necessarily see appearing people blaming men for everything hard women have to face/ever had to face. They say things like "the history of mankind is the history of the oppression of women by men". And they look for what next women are victims of. Women are victims of air conditioning. Women are victims of how men sit, of how men talk. And the burden on men to fix everything forever increases.

Meanwhile, men being seen as hyper-agentic, any complaint they have get dismissed and ignored. And as the burden and the blaming increases, we see them killing themselves in droves, checking out of a society that is willfully deaf to their complaints, or even sometimes lashing out at it.

The men's rights movement is the movement that is going against those gender role. It is a movement that acknowledges that men aren't all-agentic, and that women are agentic. Therefore, we accept to hear men's vulnerabilities, acknowledge them as valid, and try do deal with them, at the same time as we recognize women's capabilities and responsibilities and abilities to affect the world, and even men..."

TLDR : the MRM is the only movement out there actually fighting gender roles.

friendofalltehworld · 2021-06-30T09:12:50+00:00

For me it is to make people aware of the social injustices which men face and which are making western society a far worse place for families (including single parent families), children and the less well off. These are mainly father's rights but also mens' treatment in the justice system, education system and the lack of care for vulnerable men and boys. All of which is enforced and reinforced by a virulently anti-male bias in the media fuelled by the perfidious propaganda of an increasingly bigoted, right-wing and authoritarian/corporatist feminist movement.

UnHope20 · 2021-07-01T04:45:13+00:00

Really depends on what branch of the Men's Movement that you are interested in.

Modern MRAs
Egalitarians (More so everyone's rights)
LWMA
Masculists
Radical Masculists
BMRA/BMJAs

There is some overlap and these ideas vary slightly within a group but as best I can see, there are a good 5-6 movements.

I'm a RBMJA which is sort of a cross between BMJA and Radical Masculist.

We incorporate racial aspects of gender discrimination into our hypothesis and the gendered/sexualized components of anti-black racism.

Are you more interested in what our idea of a utopia would be or a concrete list of objectives and campaigns?

JunkyardRevenant · 2021-07-08T20:08:57+00:00

To bring public attention to the discrimination that men regularly face but are dismissed by the public. This includes lack of Male mental health support, censoring of Male deaths in media and academia, the widening college gap, supporting sexually abused men who would otherwise not be accepted into other communities without being mocked. Furthermore, it is to bring awareness to the bias of Male homelessness and incarceration rates, and to overall advocate that men are not the bad guys, an idea feminism is promoting. It is also a safe space for men that allows them to safely express their frustrations as generally society still dismisses men's emotions. The only difference is that instead of being told to man up we are now told we have toxic masculinity and need to let women speak instead. The Mens Rights movements does not dismiss that women face problems that need attention, it only puts forward that men also face problems requiring attention.

TheLWMA · 2021-06-29T00:38:50+00:00

I honestly dislike r/MensRights. There's some occasional good content there, but there's also too many misogynists, PUAs, Red-Pillers, conservatives, ect due to how lenient the mods are.

I consider this sub to be the Men's Rights sub, compared to that cesspit known as r/MensLib.

hendrixski · 2021-07-02T00:32:10+00:00

My goal, as a divorced father, is for dads to be treated equal to moms in divorce. I want there to be safeguards put in place to protect vulnerable children from being alienated from their dads by vengeful divorcing mom's.

Others in the men's movement have different goals. That is mine.

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