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Woman sues doctor for "allowing her to be born."

Rolaid-Tommassi

December 2, 2021
482 upvotes
/r/MensRights

Supported by a (female) judge.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/woman-who-sued-doctor-for-being-born-wins-millions/news-story/ea63119623594241a65b1ad6c3387a45

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Title Woman sues doctor for "allowing her to be born."
Author

Rolaid-Tommassi

Upvotes 482
Comments 84
Date December 2, 2021 2:20 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/r6w6s2/woman_sues_doctor_for_allowing_her_to_be_born/
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Comments

[–]tenchineuro 173 points174 points175 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The 20-year-old’s “wrongful conception” claim saw her take Dr Philip Mitchell to court over his failure to advise her mother to take vital supplements before getting pregnant.

So did her mother talk to her doctor before becoming pregnant?

And what if he did tell her and she forgot?

[–]NwbieGD 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No more importantly, who decided and had the kid, the doctor or her mom.

The only one responsible for her birth are her parents, no one forced her parents to get a kid, they decided to. So unless the doctor is also her farther this absolutely insane.

[–]HenryCGk 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its the doctors job to provide all relevant information and provide advice. Not providing relevant information is malpractice but its not the doctors job or gift to make sure it is followed.

[–]NwbieGD 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but then the charge should have been about not properly informing the mother. You can't blame the doctor for getting born. Which results in different charges.

Even then in most places, you're supposedly unguilty until proven otherwise. When it's the word of 1 person Vs another person then that evidence holds equal weight. Lastly it's on the person making claims to prove they are right (burden of proof). So if this woman can't provide proof he didn't tell her then the case should immediately be closed, heck it shouldn't even be opened if all there's to go on is her word.

She could have not remembered it properly, just like how she didn't remember to follow all his advice properly.

I know she can't prove this, especially since she clearly was there alone, the daughter wasn't even born yet. So it's a nonsense case. Otherwise I could just start cases against any person I dislike/hate just to fuck them over or make them pay me so I earn money.

Edit oww and if she shouldn't have been born and is so unhappy then why hasn't she committed suicide? If you really didn't want to have been born you would have committed suicide already.

[–]Admiralthrawnbar 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I saw this story on another sub, the woman's parents had medical problems and died young, so she wanted to consult a doctor before getting pregnant. The doctor said essentially if she had a healthy diet, she could start trying immediately. Her daughter, the one who sued, ended up being born with a chronic condition that would have been prevented if the doctor had told her to take a specific type of supplement before getting pregnant.

[–]Deckardisdead 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I need this lawyer. Someone should have to pay for my birth.

[–]short_dude5ft3in 136 points137 points138 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Based on the article, there’s lots of room to doubt the stories considering it’s almost 2 decades old. I’ve seen many videos of people claiming so drastically different stories that what has just transpired few moments earlier in the videos.

Our own recollection is not something that is reliable to make a judgement with that magnitude.

I see it as woman judge, woman plaintiff, man defendant with money.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, me too. That's why I posted the link. I suspect it will be taken down shortly.

[–]short_dude5ft3in 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She claimed he did not advice her to take folic acid supplement, he claimed he provided her sound medical advice, why is her word believed by the judge and his wasn’t? She may have had sufficient folic acid from her diet and could have neglected her diet during pregnancy for whatever reason.

Always men gets the short, shitty end of the stick when it comes to the justice system.

[–]CrazySalart 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't get the 2 decades old part

[–]short_dude5ft3in 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When she (the mother) got pregnant.

[–]Airforce987 78 points79 points80 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This cant be real. The Doctor is being held responsible for a spinal disorder that occurs by chance and genetics. It's also not a hereditary disposition that the Doctor might have warned a fetus could develop, and was negligent in preventing it.

It's ultimately the parent's responsibility for the health of their child. If the supplements are standard prescription for any mother trying to conceive and the Doctor blatantly denied her request for them, then she might have a case. This is not what happened here; the Doctor offered his opinion and she made a choice to listen or not, without seeking a second opinion. They're also not required for a healthy baby nor should they be expected in order to produce a healthy baby. People have been making babies for millenia without these supplements.

Basically this ruling means any time someone is born with a deformity or genetic defect, the doctor can be sued because they didn't warn the parents it could happen, and that taking this or that vitamin might have reduced the risk of the deformity/defect.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. Exactly why I posted this.

[–]Airforce987 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it’s wild, fortunately I think we can take some solace in the fact that all the articles about this woman are all reproduced from the Sun which is a British tabloid not known for their accuracy.

Even if you wipe everything I brought up above, the main two questions you have to prove is: what makes her say her mother would have “delayed conception” if the doctor told her to take supplements, and as someone else mentioned, where is the proof he never did?

[–]C20H25N3O-C21H30O2 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She should have sued her mother for being neglectful and not taking the necessary pregnancy vitamins and minerals. Doctors can fix many things but they can't fix stupid.

[+]Admiralthrawnbar -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Read the article, the mother consulted the doctor specifically if there was anything she should do before getting pregnant, the doctor said no and the baby was born with a chronic condition, hence the lawsuit

[–]MormonUnd3rwear 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Quite literally not what happened

[–]Admiralthrawnbar -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"During the trial last month, the court heard that 50-year-old Caroline – who is also a keen horsewoman – had gone to see Dr Mitchell at the Hawthorn practice to discuss her plans to have a first baby in February 2001. “This was a very precious decision to start a family, because she herself had lost her parents when she was young,” Mrs Rodway told the judge. “They had been refraining from sexual intercourse until after they had received advice at this consultation.” But despite discussing folic acid during the appointment, Caroline claimed she was not told by Dr Mitchell of its importance in spina bifida prevention. She told the judge that the doctor had told her to go home and have “lots of sex”, which she found “somewhat blunt”. “He told me it was not necessary,” she said. “I was advised that if I had a good diet previously, I would not have to take folic acid.”"

It is quite literally exactly what happened

[–]MormonUnd3rwear 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“He said he would have told the mother that if she had a good diet and so good folic acid levels anyway, supplements would be less important, but denied saying they were not necessary.”

[–]Nerfixion 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Time to sue my doctor because I have scoliosis and glasses.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I'm old, my doctor should have advised mum to have me later......

[–]Stoicism1981 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I sometimes wonder if I’d like to be born but to blame it on the doctor, it is outrageous

[–]ApprehensiveMail8 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me get this straight:

He is liable for failing to mansplain to her mother what vitamins she should be taking as a woman, and/or what forms of birth control she should be using?

[–]matrixislife 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see this as a men's rights issue. She's suing the doctor for failing to give advice to take folic acid supplements prior to conception. It's very iffy suit imo, but it wouldn't make any difference if it was a man suing or a woman.

[–]BeepBeepYeah7789 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what annoys me about many lawsuits (not just this one); they seem to hinge on someone dropping the ball to some degree at some point in time, no matter how insignificant the ball-dropping was.

Now I know that the doctor in this case didn't actually "fail" to do anything, but my point is that it seems as if a person can sue (and possibly win) if the opposing party was (supposedly) negligent in ANY way, no matter how small.

There comes a point in time when the ball ends up in YOUR court and YOU have to run with it.

[–]darknessblae 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember this day this is the day that doctors nurses and anyone else just trying to help anyone else started recording themselves. This is real I can't believe it but I'm probably not smart enough to completely understand. Either way doctors who are already pretty on edge are going to have even more reason to just be super guarded while trying to help the people. Forgive me for the rent I just don't know how to feel about this I'm going to look into this way more but this is real and not clickbait

[–]BluBeech 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sounds like malpractice considering the doctor didn't inform the mother about what she should and shouldn't take. As people have pointed out it could easily happen to a man so this point is a tad redundant here.

[–]CocoTotoMomo 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Is this related to mens rights?

[–]Jezz_ah_bells 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, no it's not.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[+]Random_182f2565 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not really, you can flip the sex of everyone involved and the result should be the same

[–]BowForThanos -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The good Old downvotes for being right 😂

[–]HandStuckInToaster -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope, but sometimes this sub just likes to get mad about stuff.

[–]BowForThanos -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too often. Men's rights sub turning into whiney bitches sub

[–]DaLordOfDarkness 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s just very stupid.

[+]Random_182f2565 -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I read it and it's pretty reasonable, her condition it's causes for lack of appropriate care.

[–]JackHoff13 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I am confused on how this is the doctors fault. Is she not responsible for her own decisions?

We see so many birth defects every day in the world. Are you saying anyone can sue because of a possible prevention the doctor didn’t tell you?

Seriously. You can’t be this delusional.

This is just a crap straw man argument that won in court.

[–]Random_182f2565 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Let me use another more common condition as an example.

Phenylketonuria, if a person has this condition it can have a relative normal life with proper care and diet or can spiral out of control and become disabled.

[–]JackHoff13 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you can’t see how this is the ultimate straw man argument you are just being ignorant.

[–]BowtiepastaMasta 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What kind of precedent does this set? This is absolutely ridiculous.

[–]ijustdontcare74 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh look yet another story of a woman failing to take responsibility for her own choices and actions...it's almost as if there's a pattern here? How about you do your own research on pregnancy? Genetic conditions such as this are NOT caused by a lack of supplements, plus supplements should not be needed if the mother was on a healthy diet to begin with. Why is she not suing her mother for damages???? I'm so sick of people like this expecting everyone else to pay for their own choices (the mothers not the child obv), it's disgusting. The mother obv knew the child would be disabled (it would have shown at the 3 and 6 month scans), yet CHOSE to continue with the pregnancy. No doctor has the ability to terminate a pregnancy without the mothers consent. It was always the mothers ultimate responsibility....but she won't accept that!! All the cases I see reported, it's almost exclusively women too....pathetic.

[–]BowForThanos 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fucks this got to do with mens rights? Could have just as easily been a male doing this

[–]nooneinteresting-1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Since she won, is she going to do 'euthanasia' herself? I mean, she said herself she should not be born. Money should be given to charity that will ensure better education for future GP's.

[–]task_scheme_not 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It'll go to covering her medical costs, of which she has a lot. That's typically what money in 'wrongful life' suits goes to, covering the cost of the care of their long term disabilities.

[–]nooneinteresting-1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that. I just wanted to show how you can twist something.

[–]Liluglydude5 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly I’m with her on this one

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you may be correct. I'm still undecided. What is your opinion?

[–]rabatek 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pussy pass

[–]slipkid223 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy solution, euthanasia.

[–]dcs577 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know anything about the merits of this case, but as an antinatalist I do think being born is a harm done unto us by others. That being said it would get rather absurd if everyone started to be able to sue their parents or parents doctors for being born. I believe this possibility was satirized in a Kurt Vonnegut short story actually.

[–]Own-Flatworm4787 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine if it were a man suing it'd never have gotten that far let alone winning. Same if it were a woman doctor. These things only seem to happen with a female victim and a make perpetrator, and whatever story they have to tell to make it seem that way. That woman in Florida successfully sued the man who saved her like and jumped in the ocean and pulled her out and did CPR. She won that case under "consent" laws. The good Samaritan act didn't help.

[–]codemancode -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does he get to fix his mistake now?

[–]Interesting-Eye-5464 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is women excelling at manufacturing indignation to its fullest degree

[–]goodmod 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just women. Jussie Smollett and his fake hate crime, for example.

[+][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]DanzigMisfit 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't realize the London High Court was in Australia. Anyway, it's any western country just not England or Australia.

[–]darknessblae 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I swear to God if this is clickbait I am unsubscribing from this sub

[–]Big_TipOff89 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To everyone saying that the doctor is wrong for not advising the mother properly, how do you know that? It's her word against his, and just like everything else the women is always look as the victim in this type of he/she said cases.

I'm not picking a side I'm just asking why

[+]The_Final_Skywalker -45 points-44 points-43 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Take this out of men's rights right now. That woman has good reason for that, and personally I don't want to be associated with this subbreddit being a woman hating place even more than it already is

[–]gratis_eekhoorn 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

>"I was advised that if I had a good diet previously, I would not have to take folic acid,"

This statement is actually true and if she'd had a good diet, she wouldn't have had to take folic acid.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/spinabifida/facts.html

>Remember!
Spina bifida happens in the first few weeks of pregnancy, often before a woman knows she’s pregnant. Although folic acid is not a guarantee that a woman will have a healthy pregnancy, taking folic acid can help reduce a woman’s risk of having a pregnancy affected by spina bifida. Because half of all pregnancies in the United States are unplanned, it is important that all women who can become pregnant take 400 mcg of folic acid daily.

​

What if the patient was male and the doctor was female? do you think he would have won the case?

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. I don't see it as woman-hating. Do you think doctors should now be allowed to claim compensation for successful lives? Why not just give me your point of view? You might change my mind.....

[–]BowForThanos 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this men's rights?

[+]The_Final_Skywalker -27 points-26 points-25 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Did you read it? She doesn't have a life. Shes attached to tubes a lot of the time which restricts her a lot. It makes sense why she'd hate it, and why she'd want compensation for what she's had to suffer with.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

"Star show-jumper" it says. Of course I read it. Did you? My point is that I can't for the life of me understand how the (male) doctor is responsible. And I appreciate the fact that we are having a respectful conversation. Thanks. I'm quite happy to be shown if I'm wrong.......

[+]The_Final_Skywalker -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

May I ask where in the article the article it says that she only sued because he was male? Otherwise I don't see what the reasoning for you bringing up his gender is. And of course I'll try to be respectful, and I'm sorry in dance if I come off across as rude again I didn't mean to.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi[S] 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No worries luv. The reason I posted this is because this subreddit is called "men'srights". It worries me that women, in general, maintain the right to abort babies but simultaneously seek the right to blame a man for the simple fact of being born. I guess I believe we should all be glad to have a chance at life and blaming a man for the difficulties thrown at one's life is symptomatic of the lack of personal responsibility I see in society. (But, I'm an old man and probably have terribly out-of-date views) All the best to you.

[+]The_Final_Skywalker -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Never. Call me luv. One I'm a dude, two, even if I wasn't I wouldn't want some one random calling me luv.

Also again, she wasn't blaming him for being born ONLY because he was a man. I'm all for men's right given I am a dude. However, that doesn't mean we should projecting and forcing hate on ourselves where there is no basis for it to suggest the hate or argument was there only because its a Male. This occasion had to do with the fact she was born when her mother was advised to take something which the mother didn't and it led to the woman's birth and subsequent illness.

[–]Ment4252fd 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It begs the question, how would this have gone down had the defendant been female. You need to think about all of these things from that lens. If the genders were switched, would the treatment had been different. What if the plaintiff was male?

[–]DefinitelyNotTrind 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He would have been laughed out of court. Actually, he wouldn't even get that far.

[–]Input_output_error 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take this out of men's rights right now.

Give one good reason why.

That woman has good reason for that,

No, she really doesn't. That doctor did nothing wrong and shouldn't be held responsible for the failings of a mother.

Michael De Navarro QC, for the doctor, denied liability, suggesting that
Caroline might already have been pregnant when she went to see Dr
Mitchell.

He told the judge that Dr Mitchell claimed to have given “reasonable
advice” about the desirability of folic acid supplements being taken.

It was his usual practice to tell prospective parents that 400
micrograms should be taken by those preparing for pregnancy and all
through their first trimester.

He said he would have told the mother that if she had a good diet and so
good folic acid levels anyway, supplements would be less important, but
denied saying they were not necessary.

This is what the expert had to say, but the judge completely ignored the expert and their opinion.

This judge should be disbarred immediately , she might be an expert on law, but she isn't an expert on medical issues like both these doctors are.

and personally I don't want to be associated with this subbreddit being a woman hating place even more than it already is

Since when is calling out someone on their own responsibilities 'hating'?

This article is about a woman who didn't do her homework and now blames her doctor for not telling her something twice. The only reason she won this lawsuit is because of a judge that completely ignored expert opinions and ruled in her favor.

The doctor denied that he ever said that those supplements weren't necessary, he tells all other patient's that those supplements are needed. But, he clearly told this particular patient something different, because she said so. /s

What this has to do with men's rights you ask? I think this case quite elegantly shows how society doesn't hold women responsible for their own actions. There is always someone responsible when something bad happens, if women aren't held responsible for their own actions, who do we hold responsible?

[–]BowForThanos 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see you're another victim of downvotes for being right. It's almost like they have the opposite effect now. More downvotes = more correct post

[–]Ment4252fd -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are an NPC also stop watching pornography if you care about men's rights.

[+]Random_182f2565 -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Same

[–]The_Final_Skywalker 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow glad to see someone who understands my point.

[+]ColonelVirus -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

'the judge found that Dr Mitchell had not told Caroline, of Skegness, England, of the importance of taking folic acid supplements before getting pregnant'

Sounds like incompetence by the Doctor?

[–]JackHoff13 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like incompetence by the mother.

[–]ColonelVirus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Why? She specifically went to the doctor to get a consultation with him about getting pregnant and what she had to do to safe guard her child as much as possible. Most people don't do this, they just get pregnant and then worry about it. Clearly this was a much bigger investment for this women, as it says in the article she lost her parents young and wanted to make sure everything was good.

The doctor didn't tell her to take the supplement or stipulate it's importance, from the article it sounds like he basically palmed her off and just said go fuck. By comparison, the Doctor's I've been to DO stipulate it, and tell you how important it is. Even so far as doing blood tests to see if you need to be on a supplement for folic acid or not. I assumed this was standard practice tbh.

This girl IMO deserves the insurance payout. Doctors need to be held accountable for everything they miss, no matter how small or irrelevant it might seem. They're not in a profession where you get to make mistakes, slip ups or forget things.

Hopefully all doctors will learn from this and start making these tests part of the consultation, so recommendations are properly given.

[–]JackHoff13 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Strawman. I could use this argument for any birth defect.

When you develop a device that allows us to peer into the future I will agree with you. But as of now I do not.

It is also the mothers responsibility to do her research as well. Relying on 1 doctor and 0 due diligence on her end is not a problem I care about.

[–]ColonelVirus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes you could and should?

If you go to a doctor and they don't advice you how to mitigate against certain defects and don't test for abnormalities in your parent. Then they're negligent?

If a Doctor tells you how to mitigate them all, gives you courses of supplements, guides you as they're meant to. And you still get it, then that's tough shit. The dice roll didn't land your way.

It's not on her to do research when she SPECIFICALLY went to a doctor to ask for expert advice. If she hadn't done that, then sure do your own research and accept the consequences of that.

This isn't a men's right issue anyway, coz as the father I would also be flipping my shit over this.

[–]JackHoff13 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No she has no responsibility for her on health and the health of her baby.

You sound like a fucking toddler. Grow up and take responsibility.

[–]ColonelVirus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I sound like a toddler because I would go to a doctor and follow their advice? You're crazy man... Sound like an anti-vaxx nutter. Let's just ignore doctors advice, do w.e we want! Woo!

[–]JackHoff13 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And you sound like the sheep that follow everyone’s advice. Sure sucks when it bites you in the ass. Maybe just maybe take a sliver of responsibility in your life.

Solid antivax stuff. Nice dog whistle bro

[–]ColonelVirus 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How are you a sheep when you're following an EXPERTS advice dude...

I'm done man, you've got a screw loose lol. Just gonna block.

[–]JackHoff13 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol because the expert advice worked so well in this situation right? Lol like I can’t even with this.

Or what about when the “experts” used to prescribe cigarettes. Or the AIDS epidemic where a crazy new treatment was pushed that killed 1000’s.

It’s ok bud. Just keep your head down and follow this ass in front of you.

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