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I have no words for this — "How To Hurt Men: Self Defense for Women and MaGes"

jhld

May 27, 2022
517 upvotes
/r/MensRights

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Title I have no words for this — "How To Hurt Men: Self Defense for Women and MaGes"
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jhld

Upvotes 517
Comments 162
Date May 27, 2022 5:14 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uyqsx6/i_have_no_words_for_this_how_to_hurt_men_self/
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[–]auMatech 283 points284 points285 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

This is a free course for women and marginalized genders

With how men are being marginalized in society nowadays, would men get to sign up for this shit show?

The fact that this says "how to hurt cis men" specifically shows that it's more about hating a demographic than providing actual self defense.

You can swap in literally any group and suddenly look like a super radicalised and hateful individual that will go out of their way to hurt people from said group...

[–]PandaFoo1 93 points94 points95 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

How to hurt cis men

That’s really not as progressive as they think it is

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points73 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I’m ex military and formally trained in a few different martial arts, and have personally run self defence and combat training courses myself. Very typically there is some component “theory”, which involves demonstration and talking about bio-mechanics or something along those lines, but inevitably most courses end in a trainer and a team of supervisors splitting attendees into teams of two (unless you’re training one v many).

If I find out that the “Smash tha Patriarchy with your Marginalised Fists (tm)” segregates attendees by sex I’m going to laugh my ass off.

If I find out that they don’t have a team of “cis-white-straight-able bodied-men” as the training partner for each and every applicant I will also laugh my ass off.

How could you possible hope to beat the patriarchy if you only train against the inferior races and genders? ( /s just in case my comment wasn’t dripping with enough scathing sarcasm already)

[–]elebrin 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So what kind of chance would these ladies have against a man who'd actually trained in martial arts for an extended period and also kept themselves very fit? Does that change if they only keep themselves very fit?

I would guess that a man who trains, with a longer reach and more muscle than a woman can get naturally, would nearly always win a fight so long as they aren't caught off guard.

[–]BigbankTLB 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like you could say this just about anywhere, I generally don't like dealing with what-ifs. Yeah, it's good to look at the worst-case scenario, but I think this is just giving women a fighting chance at survival from an attacker. and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The best form of self defence is attack vulnerable parts (eyes, genitals, ears) and make heaps of noise, and run the second you get a chance to.

And from there, your next level of self defence is putting 500 metres between you and the person who would do you harm, and then maintaining it. It’s not rocket science

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To an extent, I can only speak anecdotally. That being said… the best of the women I’ve ever trained or sparred against still don’t hold a candle to a man who is untrained and giving about 50% of his effort.

I’m going to try to keep the following really short because “if you know you know”.

Most 1v1 sparring ends up in grappling, throws, and submissions. For the purpose of training most parties are usually looking for body control. Self defence and multiple opponent combat training is focussed on something entirely different, “long distance” boxing, check-kicks, and is usually focussed on exploiting angles and tonnes of footwork.

That all being said, I have trained women and sparred against women and supervised women fighting women, men v men, women v men, men v multiple opponents and women v multiple opponents.

I have done this and participated in this at what could be described as upper level fitness and strength, (though far from peak level, recon, scouts, commandos and SAS are on another level so extreme they might as well be on another planet).

With certainty I can assure anyone who ever questions the strength difference between men and women: they are fucking idiots.

One woman who manages to win some arm wrestles with some guys, or one guy who gets assaulted to near death by women in high heels on a night out don’t disprove the biological reality.

Why am I so certain?

Because I spent 4 months training Systema under a woman. Her technique was flawless. A new guy joined and she sparred with him. He was sloppy, his footwork was terrible, but he just straight up overpowered her.

It’s a phenomenon I have seen time and time again.

Women cannot compete with men in the physical arena. We are not the same.

[–]Chadstatus 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And before someone says it's sexist. No, it's science.

[–]GnomeChompy 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Also these ppl are probably dumb enough to attack passing trans men and intersex guys too.

[–]Akasuti 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Mhm, but don’t dare attack any woman because that is sexist. And don’t fight back else you are the aggressor.

There is so much bullshit between genders now it’s unfathomable

[–]Day-Trader15184 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fight back for sure. Your life is worth more than the attacker.

[–]GnomeChompy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Better to run if possible tbh

[–]Day-Trader15184 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take them down first, then run.

[–]zerozerotsuu 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m pretty sure it’s about the physical differences, groin attacks against people with testicals vs. without.

[–]Great-Flan-5896 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This world has to find an excuse to hate something and continue the cycle. In conclusion alot of people are stupid.

[–]Tramm 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I reported it and sent an email asking to host a similar event called "how to hurt women".

[–]tacticalslacker 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I reported it and sent an email asking to host a similar event called "how to hurt women".

Tell her she has ugly shoes

[–]victorthekin 160 points161 points162 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh cmon this isn't self defense just hate against men.

[–]NEUTRALHUMAN17 102 points103 points104 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

"How To Hurt Women: Self Defense for Men"

[–]iforgotkeyboard 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sigma's Handbook in other editions

[–]sammexp 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do that and you will be pursued for extremism or for encouraging violence against women… I know, I know…

[–]Great-Flan-5896 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Misogyny omg.

[–]NEUTRALHUMAN17 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I choose to believe it's sarcasm

[–]Great-Flan-5896 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And now you're pushing your beliefs on me wow!

[–]Coomergen 95 points96 points97 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Nothing to see here, just a step-by-step tutorial on how to commit domestic violence.

[–]Leavemealone1625 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. It’s sad.

[+]Temporary-Repair6779 -76 points-75 points-74 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It says self-defence on the cover...

[–]victorthekin 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

which is a cover up for male hate

[+]Temporary-Repair6779 -63 points-62 points-61 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've been to self defense lessons and haven't seen any male hate.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Were they called "How to hurt cis men"?

[+]Temporary-Repair6779 -58 points-57 points-56 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, and I don't love the title of the course, but self-defence courses are not to hurt men.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but this one is titled "how to hurt men".

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The title should give you some idea of the purpose of the workshop.

I coordinate professional learning workshops for a living.

[–]Great-Flan-5896 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah totally only going to be self defense.

[–]Imaginary-Luck-8671 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"He raised his voice! I was in danger"

[–]ABeeBox 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The KKK described themselves as "Anti-terrorism self defense" so I guess they're fine too right?

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 108 points109 points110 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Report it to NY police for a hate crime

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/victim-services/how-to-report-a-crime.page

[+]Great-Flan-5896 -29 points-28 points-27 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh but my made up definitions of discrimination.

[–]NewAccount479909632 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think they downvoted you because they didn’t realize you were mocking the government not the person you were responding to.

[–]biggerarmsthanyou 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree

[–]Great-Flan-5896 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I 3rd this

[–]Great-Flan-5896 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wooooooooooooooosssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not from the US but I hope some people here will actually report this

[–]Tribeless1 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When I was a kid, I wanted to learn French because it was said to be the language of love. But then I heard the rankings of the daughter of an angry Feminist who would tell us that all Men were pigs and rapists and you can take your keys and ram them into a man’s eyes or throat to hurt a Man who offends you. I rapidly lost interest in French…

[–]LolnothingmattersXD 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not worth it anyway. French people should first get over their pride, accept English as the international language and start learning it, only then I will respect their language enough to even take a look at learning it.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Someone please remind me, how is it we live in a “patriarchy” again?

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't you get it? It's punching up, literally...

Us men need to grow some balls and stop being so sensitive /s

[–]TAPriceCTR 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the /s. I just feel victim to Poe's law

[–]anticitizen2501 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Looks like we offended the right people" hurdurdur.

[–]Great-Flan-5896 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Join the cis

[–]TheDevilYouKnow69 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a hate crime any way you slice it. Report it.

[–]Reddit_kills_kids 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Gets attacked by a women There's nothing you can do.

[–]Day-Trader15184 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sure is. One strong kick to the crotch, and anyone goes down, men or women.

[–]kaijyuu2016 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah, but you still go to Jail for defending yourself... So what's better? Take a beating or spending X amount of time on jail?

[–]Day-Trader15184 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Better yet, legalize it so then your not gonna have to go to jail.

[–]kaijyuu2016 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh, it's been 24 days....

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So you could have 2 physically identical male twins , one straight , one gay , and they hurt the straight one for a hat reason exactly?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both, actually, if they're both cis. Apparently, a non-cis person doesn't need to be hurt.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender, with how gender is defined today, you can just identify as nonbinary regardless of your heterosexuality and 100% male characteristics. And that will also quickly show you who actually believes in it and who's just talking... I have a feeling the vast majority of the wokes fall into the latter category and eventually they will start gatekeeping as well. If they haven't already started it to exclude the male sex.

[–]prilexx 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The funniest thing is that if men weren't taught that violence is bad, that they need to be pussies, never hit a woman etc, this course would be just ego booster to get beaten up. There is no way for a small woman to deal with a large man, excluding guns. But we are thought that way so rip, this can actually be useful.

[–]Neppy_sama 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah idc any gender, just straight up knockout if they have ill intent towards me ,my dogs and mah family.

[–]rocker12341234 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

big facts... they wanted equal rights so they can have equal fights imo

[–]LolnothingmattersXD 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why even get particular, just beat the shit out of everyone

[–]Epsilon_One 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this real?

[–]MomosDarkDays 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How tf is this not just an outright “f you” to men? Like this literally just promotes the idea that all men are rapists and gonna hurt women.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The address is only given to qualified registrants?

Can't have protests or journalists exposing them .

[–]ashen_always 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't they get the same effect just saying "how to hurt attackers, self defence class"? Oh wait, that's because this is some asshole gimmick from people who should have spend more time in their mothers stomach cooking

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[–]Great-Flan-5896 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But if had an opposite event well it wouldn't even make it that far.

[–]alclarkey 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the heck are "MaGes?

[–]Parzival_007 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So .... what would it mean if we learnt and applied this? Would it mean we are a marginalized gender and doinf this only to protect ourselves, or we are pigs using violence because that's all men do?

[–]Mystery370 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now, how do I hurt a woman?

[–]Babiesforfood 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is a mage? Can't they just cast a projectile spell or something???

[–]TAPriceCTR 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Expeliarmus?

[–]Normal-Yogurtcloset5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m outlining a book called, “How To Hurt Women and Girls…Lessons For Men in Holding Them Accountable For Their Actions and Behaviors”.

[–]Other-Tooth7789 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Misandrist at its finest 👌

[–]Motor_bird_cycle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t mess with me I know cis men jitsu

[–]bubbybyrd -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

If you don't like it, don't attend. Not like it's marketed for you anyways.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Way to dismiss obviously bigoted marketing. This is straight up hate.

The inclusion of "(cis)" is the clincher. It can't be explained as tricks for dealing with male biology in combat, since non-cis men can also have male biology.

[–]bubbybyrd -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Way to dismiss obviously bigoted marketing.

Again, don't buy it. It's not for you.

This is straight up hate.

There's hate everywhere. Even in this subreddit.

The inclusion of "(cis)" is the clincher. It can't be explained as tricks for dealing with male biology in combat, since non-cis men can also have male biology.

Why do you care so much about a book you'll never read? You already acknowledged that this book is marketed towards a group of people, and that group doesn't include you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It's a flyer for a combat workshop, not a book.

Call me crazy, but as a cisgay man, I have a problem with an event that's all about about how to hurt me.

[–]bubbybyrd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Okay, well, regardless of the course existing or not it's a felony to assault someone. So I think your good there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's a felony to rape someone, but I would still object to a workshop entitled "how to hurt and impregnate (cis) women".

[–]bubbybyrd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yep, but "How to Hurt Men" is a self-defense class. There's no reason to think that women taking this class are looking to assault men, it's for self protection.

A class on how to rape someone has no intention of self protection.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If that were the case, it would be called "how to defend yourself against males, cis or otherwise".

[–]bubbybyrd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah again, it's marketing. It's not a class for you, it's not a class for men. It's for women who want to defend themselves.

And it's perfectly okay to have a class for women-only. Especially if those women have been assaulted in the past or feel like they're at risk of being assaulted at home or while their out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get that it's marketing. I'm saying the marketing is hateful.

It's easy to demonstrate this by changing the context from gender to race. If a certain form of violence was more perpetuated by a particular race, would it be valid to market a workshop as "how to hurt x race"? Sorry (cis) men from x race.

[–]CalistDude5 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should go to amazonia

[–]Bensen89 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has only propaganda character to attract disillusioned and bitter women. They learn a few simple techniques, are persuaded they are now strong independent women and are beaten up with this brainwashing in 9 out of 10 cases.

[+]angerproblemsTM -23 points-22 points-21 points 4 years ago (54 children) | Copy Link

Ngl I would’ve loved to have some self defence classes when I was attacked. I was spiked at a pub by a man and he tried to drag me around the corner of the bathroom building. I kicked the shit out of him until he let go of me, and as far as I’m aware nothing happened. Would’ve looked way cooler if I coulda round housed him or something lol.

Anyways normalise self defence classes for young adults at school.

[–]Zephyr9865 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, the fact that you defend something titled "how to hurt men" is disgusting.

[–]angerproblemsTM -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact you think I’m lying about my story is disgusting. Also notice how I mention ‘normalise self defence classes for young adults at school?’

[–]SlaaneshsLegalAide 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Self defense classes are great. That isn’t the issue here. It’s a targeted attack on a certain group of people.

[–]angerproblemsTM -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Never said I agree with the naming of it did I

[–]SlaaneshsLegalAide 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re response showed no condemnation of the subject of the photo. So either you’re supporting the subject or you are being willfully ignorant of the whole reason of the post.

If you would have started with condemning the nature of the picture I imagine that you wouldn’t have such a negative community response.

You see a poster that is advocating for self defense and you’re like “hell yeah that’s awesome” I would be right there with you. But then you see another that is pushing for targeted aggression to a certain group and are still supportive it can seem like you’re supporting that message.

Imagine a situation where someone says “We should train police better to deal with situations and societies.” You agree and that’s perfectly acceptable. Then alternatively someone says “We need to train police to better handle black people because they preform a disproportionate amount of crime to population ratio.” At this moment you’re probably like hold the fuck up. This isn’t the message we should be pushing out. Even though the ideas are similar the message you’re conveying is abhorrent.

No one should push for targeted aggression it’s wrong and to see something like that and say “oh yeah that stuff is great” without condemning the wrong parts of it you’re allowing it to persist in society.

Remember that compliance and indifference is enabling

[–]Zephyr9865 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link

r/thathappened

If someone spiked your drink you'd be unconcious, unable to kick him.🤦‍♂️

[–]ChaddiusMcThaddius 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read through this whole thread, you're doing a disservice to this sub by making it look like a sanctuary for victim blaming incels. Fuck Off.

[–]angerproblemsTM 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was out with friends after work. I left my drink unattended with him for a couple minutes whilst I talked to some of them. It was my first drink of the night I knew something wasn’t right. I got up to take myself to the bathroom obviously not looking too crash hot that’s when he grabbed me.

[+]Sindaras -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link

You understand that date rape drugs don't take effect immediately, yes?

[–]Zephyr9865 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't he just wait until they do then?

Still r/thathappened.

[–]Sindaras -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Not if they're with friends.

r/nothingeverhappens

[–]angerproblemsTM 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks King. Unfortunately it is not a fake story. Takes a sick person to lie about something like. Knew I was going to get downvoted into oblivion for commenting

[–]Sindaras 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sadly this sub is filled with straight misogynists, I'm. All for mens rights, equity abs fair treatment in the legals system, which is what this sub is supposed to be about, apologies on behalf of those who come here and make the cause look bad, even if they're seemingly a majority here

[–]angerproblemsTM 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m exactly the same. I’ll stand up for men when they are discriminated against. The naming of this poster makes me pretty upset which is why I didn’t comment on it lol - seems pretty obvious that it’s a shit name.

Told my story just to make it a little more light hearted I guess to make a point - Self defence for anyone is great.

[–]Sindaras 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Definitely, I didn't see an issue with the poster so I talked about it with people on this sub who aren't trolls and had it explained better and my mind changed about it, because that's what rational discussion achieves, whereas the troll who accused you of lying was just arguing in bad faith, with no intention of understanding others.

[–]angerproblemsTM 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And it’s pretty hurtful too. If a man came to me expressing that he was assaulted by a woman I would absolutely believe him no questions asked. I would support him too (as well as I could). We can’t keep talking about double standards but not showing the opposite gender the respect we want

[–]Zephyr9865 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually no, regardless, it's easier to rape someone who is unconcious (obviously), so he logically would have waited anyways.It' stupid that you believe this.

[–]Sindaras -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Waited until their target was clearly drugged, thus warranted undivided attention of their friends? You don't go to clubs much do you? I'd wager they drank the drugged drink and likely went to the toilet or out for a smoke shortly after before it kicked in, the assailant then followed them. This isn't rocket science bud

[–]Zephyr9865 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He wouldn't wait for it to take effect in public, and as you said they went somewhere private, no reason to start dragging until she can't defend herself.

It's not rocket science bUD.

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except once they followed them to somewhere that wasn't public, they weren't just gonna stand around were they? Seriously dude, I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you, you can choose not to believe that someone fought off a would be rapist, that's your choice.

[–]Zephyr9865 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If he followed, he'd stay back a bit to be unseen until they took effect.

Both the still being concious when dragged and overpowering read like something out of a feminist fantasy script.Both are extremely unlikely if not impossible and both at once?Nah.

[–]Zephyr9865 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

It's also hard to believe that he could overpower him.

[–]Pepperclue_55 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Full stop: this is part of the problem. Men can be beat up by women, and unless we recognize that male victims of assault or domestic violence will continue to be ignire.

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Why? Do you know both parties in this scenario well enough to mage that call?

[–]angerproblemsTM 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He was fat and out of shape, I’m 6ft tall and in shape. It wasn’t hard. And the drug hasn’t started taking effect yet.

I was feeling very sick after the beer I was drinking (I knew something was wrong because I had only had one beer which I stupidly left unattended with him for a couple minutes). I got up to take myself to the bathroom.

[–]Zephyr9865 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Men are signifficantly stronger by default and if she resorts to kicking chaotically, it's obvious she ain't some mma fighter or smh.

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link

So you don't know enough about that situation to make that call so you're just presuming? Alright bud

[–]Zephyr9865 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

It's just basic logic and biology.

I just explained why it's not a presumtion, but of course, ignore that.

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

You explained exactly that you're presuming lmao

[–]Zephyr9865 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Average man is way stronger than average woman->biological fact

Someone above average would know how to fight->logical fact.

It's not presumtion, it's being realistic.Real life ain't like woke hollywood movies.

[–]Great-Flan-5896 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not like this not like this ever.

[+]Shreddersaurusrex -71 points-70 points-69 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Honestly it makes sense, a lot of dudes are out here committing atrocities.

[–]auMatech 46 points47 points48 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally swap in any demographic to see your bias..

Honestly it makes sense, a lot of blacks are out here committing atrocities.

Or

Honestly it makes sense, a lot of Jews are out here committing atrocities.

And all of a.sudden you end up looking like some radical "alt-righter"...

[–]r2o_abile 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Misandrist say what?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it makes sense. Coz literally most women even with self defence training or martial arts training still can’t beat a regular guy with no training due to his superior strength and muscular structure. Luckily most guys aren’t psychopaths and in many cases use said strength and agility in such circumstances to save small children who are dangling from windows, people drowning, people trapped in burning buildings etc.

[+]Sindaras -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

So you understand that most women, trained or not, likely won't beat a man attacking them, probably why this course is about hurting them specifically, right?

[–]SlaaneshsLegalAide 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You understand that lessons can be taught on self defense and dealing with larger and stronger opponents without normalization of violence to particular groups of people yes?

[+]Sindaras -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I mean who else are they training to fight off in day to day life?

[–]SlaaneshsLegalAide 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Literally anyone. People have common weak points and it’s fine to have ones that are specific to males the issue is that you’re advertising violence to specific groups of people.

Edit: spelling

[–]Sindaras -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except its not just literally anyone, is it? What's the common denominator in the vast majority of rape or attempted rape?

[–]SlaaneshsLegalAide 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You see you’re missing the issue again. Understanding and utilizing it is great for everyone. Understanding weaknesses of each gender is also perfectly fine. Advertising harm to specific groups of people is not.

I don’t understand your disconnect here?

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean if your only gripe is with the fact that it's advertised as "how to hurt men" then I can understand your plight, but we can both acknowledge that this is likely an attempt to appeal to women (and other) who've been victims of sexual assault, rape, domestic abuse and the like, and that this course is highly likely to consist of scenarios involving specifically men attacking women so it's better for the product to do what it says on the tin, no?

[–]Great-Flan-5896 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My mom!

[–]Sindaras -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean heavy weight champion Gertrude "The Annihilator" Wilson? Fuck no man, no amount of training could prepare you for that fight lol

[–]Miclash013 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They can also just advertise then that its a self-defense course specifically targeting larger opponents? Instead of, you know, targeting a single group of people. Because that in the past has never really been a good thing...

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean if your only gripe is with the fact that it's advertised as "how to hurt men" then I can understand your plight, but we can both acknowledge that this is likely an attempt to appeal to women (and other) who've been victims of sexual assault, rape, domestic abuse and the like, and that this course is highly likely to consist of scenarios involving specifically men attacking women so it's better for the product to do what it says on the tin, no?

[–]Miclash013 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course my gripe is specifically only with the fact it advertises against cis men. And yes, while I agree that it probably is targeted for women who have suffered or are scared of being assaulted. But the problem I also have is that its selling point is perpetuating violence against men. Something along the lines of "protecting yourself against men" would be infinitely better than "how to injure cis men."

[–]Sindaras 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair shout, I can't disagree and for the sake of fairness it should definitely be changed, even if they're going for a particular feel or aesthetic, "protecting yourself against men" puts out a better message and attracts a better crowd, well said bud 🥂

[–]kaijyuu2016 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

If a trained woman attacked she will most probably beat the shit out my 2,08m tall ass because I don't like to hurt people nor do I have any kind of training on how to hurt people, let alone a specific gender.

You're awful.

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Good thing it's a self defence course and you have no intention of attacking anyone, right?

[–]kaijyuu2016 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I've heard that tale a lot, sadly not everyone is a sane person... Let alone someone that takes a course like this one specifically.

Edit: I don't know how in your mind "How to HURT cis men" sounds like a self-defense training or something someone looking to defend himself/herself would be looking for...

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not gonna say the course shouldn't be called something more along the lines of "Self protection against men" just to put a better message and attract a better crowd, but I highly doubt that a course geared to victims isn't vetting their registrants, nor do they promote active aggression that would escalate a situation, rather how to get out of a situation that has already escalated to physical force using pain compliance.

I work in security and had to do a course not too unlike what this one has listed, they don't tend to attract ne'er do wells since you need to be the kind of person who doesn't have an issue with authoritative figures or taking orders

[–]kaijyuu2016 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well the whole problem with this is the name... So I don't really understand why your fighting everyone in the comments, I don't believe anyone here is against self-defense, but this course clearly isn't targeted for defense, it sounds more like the crazy teacher in cobra-kai, looking to hurt people.

[–]Sindaras 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It is literally a self defence course, as I've stated the name is more than likely a dogwhistle to call victims os cis men specifically, their application process shows as much.

Like I said, I'm not gonna say it wouldn't be better for a less aggressive name, but when you start clutching pearls over something this small, you start getting to the point where any depiction of violence towards certain groups triggers you, like back when people were losing their minds over an Advert depicting a scene from Xmen Apocalypse

Also, you've seen my other comments so you know that I agree that the name could be better, why push the debate further?

[–]kaijyuu2016 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I replied before reading the other comments, you're also pushing the debate further. And I'm still against this name.

[–]dw87190 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you're the problem

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lot of women commit attrocities as well only the system allows some of it.

Read up on hermesmann vs seyer as well as the consrquences of it in the legal world and get back to me on that.

To date not a single man in the US has gotten away with not paying child support regardless of the conception occuring due to a crime committed by the female party.

Take that for what you will

[–]Shreddersaurusrex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That issue of CS is aggravating to me.

Never said women don’t commit atrocities.

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you dont see the hypocrisy and the blatant sexism in this at all? Well i suppose thats your poragative have a good day

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think both sexes are as bad as each other.

The difference is women are treated a lot more lenient and are more likely to get away with crime.

[+]Sindaras -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Except in American courts, a woman who is convicted of killing her spouse on average serves 15 years in prison, men who kill their spouses serve 4 years in average.

Y'all downvoted but no one told me why lmao

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/hzyy86/an_older_post_about_rape/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Most of the victims are other dudes, so it doesn't make sense to have the course only for women.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The irony is that you'd never get away with a flyer for a course titled "how to hurt other cis men", since it would suggest that you just want to be violent.

[+]Shreddersaurusrex -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in a city in which women are being raped, grabbed by the hair, beat up, etc.

Granted they could have just labeled it as a self defense class. Guess they wanted it to get more attention.

[–]FrequentShare22 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(Cis)

[–]Decent-Pizza-5977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

B R U H W T F 🤢

[–]DamianDaws 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be a good idea to go as a male and say "you identify as a woman" and see if they discriminate against you too. Might as well open up a pool of discriminatory lawsuits on this one.

[–]DarthDragon117 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna lie, my eyes were drawn to MaGes. I thought this might have had something to do with magic…

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does this include Paid subscriptions to Youtube?

[–]Icy-Start5536 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's worth a read to counter strategise.

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