Ex RP’ers, I have a question

RedPillDetox · 2022-09-26T09:08:54+00:00

Yes, TRP is full of contradictions like those. The hamstering they pull regarding it is the good old "a key that opens many locks is a good key" non-sense, but will still lament the fact that "female nature" is ruining society because of only fucking with Chads lol... They hate Chads and the sexual dynamics of "todays sexual economy" (LMFAO) but they want to become the very thing they hate the most. Devote their lifes to become Chad. If this (devoting your life to become what you hate and turn society into what you hate) isn't intense self-hatred then i don't know what it is...

JustASkoshAntiSosh · 2022-09-26T08:35:40+00:00

Welcome to the dissonance trap that is Red Pill. I believe it's intentional. It's called "doublethink".

p_and_q · 2022-09-26T13:05:37+00:00

How can you have lots of sex with women if you also believe women should be traditional and not whorish?

I think the main thing you're missing is that men mostly find RP because they often want more sex and/or to be in a committed relationship. So RP provides advice to both of those ends. So many of the conclusions you reach in your statements come from following 1 of the 2 "paths" (sex or relationship).

RP is very against the idea of being in any sort of monogamous relationship in general. But some people who attempt to internalize RP beliefs still want to be in a committed monogamous relationship. So some RPers created a set "guidelines" for what makes women "LTR material". This includes having no history of cheating, few sexual partners, and not having any sort of mental illness.

RP also has a very dangerous sect that glorifies sociopaths and "Dark Triad Traits". The basic idea stems from "women love assholes" and it quickly spirals into justifying cheating, lying, and gaslighting women for personal gain.

They are taking women and making them undesirable to other men and then blaming the women for it, no?

This is only true if you believe that women don't have advocacy. These men didn't make the women do anything. The women made their own choices and in doing so, stop being "LTR material".

How can you have lots of sex with women if you also believe women should be traditional and not whorish?

The RP answer is that the sexes are different so the outcome of a man being whorish isn't as bad as a woman being whorish.

What if women listened and actually took on board the advice and stopped being promiscuous, what then?

It's a complete hypothetical that's not worth tackling. But there's a general belief that if women stopped being promiscuous then the dating world would return to some magical equilibrium and RP would not longer need to exist.

It's important to remember that RPers don't really care about other RPers. There's a pseudo-Dawrinistic (survival of the fittest) undertone to the RP belief system. That kind of belief system can justify practically anything.

spiraldinosaur · 2022-09-26T15:24:00+00:00

As I often say, if you're looking for some kind of logic or common sense or even self reflection in RP content, you're wasting your time. It's not supposed to make sense, nor does it ever think about anyone other than the man himself. It is narcissism to the highest degree with zero consideration about consequences or outcomes.

SweelFor- · 2022-09-26T15:54:50+00:00

It's because they are stupid. There is nothing to understand

Shot-Cellist9635 · 2022-09-26T17:25:33+00:00

They don't believe women have the mental capacity to be ethical and so since they dehumanize women, they can treat her like a dog. So, in thier mind, there are no good women so women should be used, abused, and tossed out. They want love but they are only more disillusioned as they see their methods don't work. This solidifies thier theories even more. Pretty much all you can do as a woman is establish strong boundaries to filter them out and avoid them entirely.

Nightchanger · 2022-09-26T10:35:42+00:00

self centeredness

vcreativ · 2022-09-26T15:31:53+00:00

You're assuming logic from a people that despise logic. You cannot be an ideologue and appreciate reason.

I guess the response would be to call you a name or put you down in some way.

They don't actually want to help anyone, they want to say, "treat women like this because they're all bad", then they feign surprise if women don't like it and they say "it's even worse than we thought".

It's all a bit stupid tbh. And I mean that. In effect they're asking you at the door, "are you desperate enough to ignore the contradictions that we'll present to you quite frequently and still end up thinking that we're right about everything."

It's a test for suggestibility. Any movement has them.

I'm also not under the impression that women (as in, as a whole) are promiscuous. But yeah, women are kind of told to behave like the worst that men have to offer, which is regrettable.

It should also be noted that even reasonably attractive women tend to have considerably more opportunity that's made explicitly clear. That's not all good, but there's a very big distinction between male/female perception here.

You don't have to shame anyone for their lifestyle. But you don't have to marry them either.

Wrong_Signal · 2022-09-28T00:40:19+00:00

You made good points. They hate hoes yet they actively participate in enabling them by cheating with them in the name of having options lmao.

xvszero · 2022-09-27T02:54:29+00:00

Because they're assholes.

capricorndyke · 2022-09-26T21:21:42+00:00

Some RP folks address this. Basically they have this men against women worldview. They believe what is good for men isn’t always good for women. And what’s good for women isn’t always good for men. Therefore they don’t have a problem with ‘lowering a woman’s value’ via sex because it doesn’t impact them. RP don’t interest themselves in what they think is best for women. They look out for themselves. Even though they prefer virginal marriage partners they don’t care if they marry because they don’t see the value in marriage. They see marriage as a risk that puts men at a disadvantage. Therefore women don’t have a major place in their lives aside from sex. They will state the divorce stats that indicate women are more likely to initiate divorce. Therefore they develop a worldview that relationships have expiry dates. I think there is a lot of pain pushed down by the RP community.

mynameisburner · 2022-09-28T15:45:31+00:00

That’s been an issue I had when I spit out the red pill 2 years ago. There’s no consistency. I believe promiscuity is not good for both men and women. How do they tell me you don’t want hoes and you have been surrounded by hoes?

Lol the cognitive dissonance is real

2020mademejoinreddit · 2022-09-26T11:26:03+00:00

The first thing I would like to clear up is that this thinking is basically from the RP PUA community. The "Pick-Up-Artist" community. The RP only believe the first half of this and that it's okay if a guy cheats.

Now, to the point, I think that's the point isn't it? That's the cognitive dissonance in them.

They basically are telling a young guy to do stuff they wouldn't and telling young women to do stuff that would benefit only PUA scum like them.

That process ruins both young men and women.

As for manufacturing and creating ho's, well, I believe from what I've seen, they're a small part of that. They're not the cause of it, but are definitely contributing to it.

The main cause of the creation is social media, whether you accept it or not, it's a fact. Like there have been studies on this as well IIRC.

As for who the women would have sex with? Well, I don't think women need to listen to PUA's to know who and who not to have sex with.

I 'd think doing that is a personal choice and a choice that needs to be made carefully. So maybe only be intimate with someone who they can trust not to break them?

Call me "old-fashioned" or whatever, but I'm not that big on having a high body count, for both. No hypocrisy. However, I don't judge those who do have them.

I personally have only been intimate with women that I actually loved and was in LTR with them, most of the time, if I thought I wasn't gonna be with them long-term, I just never crossed that line.

My response to them is nothing. Why waste time talking to someone who's detached from logic?

As for having sex with lots of women while believing women should be traditional, well, I think their 'logic' is if she's genuinely traditional, she wouldn't give it up easily, and those who aren't will give it up and they're the ones to go after while you're young, then "settle" for the traditional woman when you wanna get married.

Does the above paragraph sound familiar? Well, it should because the gender-swapped version of this is promoted in FDS as well.

What they call a "cock-carousel", which is kinda dumb in and of itself, well, I guess this is the guy version of it, "pussy-well" or something? lol

These people are nuts, as you can see, how convoluted and f'd up all this is. Like I said, best not to waste time.

If women really did stop being promiscuous, good for them. I'd be all for it. All I'd say is try not to go back to the 1950's though lmao XD

QueenAlei · 2022-09-27T02:23:14+00:00

The response is to ignore red pill men and not try to dissect their dumbass emotional abuse.

Hefty_Yam7656 · 2022-09-29T20:13:49+00:00

This has ALWAYS been my question ever since I was a kid and we're old enough to understand men were like this, but I've yet to get an answer! Like what IF? Either it's a laugh and change of subject, that WOULDN'T happen, that's just the way it is! or a deflection of the topic! I don't even think THEY KNOW the reason for their logic, because their ISN'T one! It's "Give me what I want now! Or you're a Tease/Gold Digger" And afterward "You're trash! Why'd did you do what I asked you to do, why did you take your time to please me? and why did you mutually enjoy it? You're for the streets and you'll NEVER get a man to marry you!"

AdventurousTie8034 · 2022-09-26T09:50:36+00:00

I think there’s a difference between left-wing redpillers and right-wing redpillers. Left-wing redpillers just want to hock up as much as possible, while right-wing redpillers are conservative and would like just one woman to have a traditional family with.

Professional-Buy8858 · 2022-09-26T18:26:04+00:00

I'm gonna answer most if not all bullet points,

Red pill believes women being promiscuous is hazardous to society because it is, the rate of single motherhood is higher than ever before and these single mothers are raising broken children in broken homes and families, you could argue the man is at fault too but when you take into account that women have access to way more birth control than men and have way more reproductive rights than men, the responsibility or the outcome of becoming a single mother falls upon the women, a personal example is my cousin she was dating a bad boy who clearly didn't care about her was using her and treated her like dog shit, we all told her to leave before she got pregnant, she didn't listen and now shes a single mother, she was also raised by a single mother and was extremely promiscuous at a very young age.

Men should kick a women to the curb not necessarily on the first date, this is a big issue when red pillers try to talk to non red pillers, most non red pillers take everything literal completely missing the point. The point red pillers make in saying if a women doesn't sleep with you on the first date kick her to curb, is that if a woman was truly into you and actually found you attractive she wouldn't necessarily sleep with you on the first date but she would definitely sleep with you on the second or make it known she wants you. Women will sleep with a guy who doesn't even want a relationship and treats her bad on the first date but will make others guys wait and take her on fancy expensive dates. Another personal example my best friend had a date with this girl when he picked her up she was acting very stuck up stubborn as if she didn't want to be there and he was lucky she even agreed to this, she told him to take her to Gringos a decently fancy expensive restaurant for their first date and she wasn't even showing interest. He told her no at the most I'll buy you some fast food and then I'm going home to smoke you can come over if you want if not it's cool. They went to his house and he smashed, I believe she had been doing this with several other guys but because my friend stood up to her she saw him as the bad boy and pounced all over him.

Honestly I'm not even gonna keep going. The red pill has pros and cons I know some red pillers who have very good sound information and some who are outright crazy, why can't we talk about all the good the red pill community has done?

ComebackDaddy · 2022-09-27T03:09:49+00:00

Both sexes have what are called short term and long term mating preferences and strategies relating to them.

If you were to look at the brain pathways associated with short term and long term mating in humans you’d easily see that both preferences and strategies tend to be opposite each other.

For both men and women, short term mating correlated highly to traits relating to novelty; luxury, exoticness aesthetics or what many call looks; money status and exoticness essentially being associated to highly fantasized fun sex.

For both men and women the long term mating preferences and strategies are actually relating to things that not only build a strong family genetically financially and socially but that keep that family bond growing stronger and stronger.

Thus humans are designed for both multiple relationships (short term) and monogamous relationships (long term)

This is also evident through what is called neuro synchronization which is a fancy term for saying healthy families synch their nervous systems (espevisllybosrasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems) together.

The above science is actually what rp means when they say things like Madonna/whore complex or alpha fucks beta bucks but reality is simply what we want short term is opposite what we want long term though outliers do exist and the brain is soo plastic (malleable) and thus fragile it does not take much to create outliers.

Now ironically I theorize thst both men and women actually have what is called a mating preference snd strategy spectrum that is this.

Both men and women will take a partner they desire short term and try and move them up long term if their current attachment style allows them to.

This could be considered captain save a hoe or alpha widows who tried to tame their alpha according to to but really it’s just men and women being great short term partners but lousy long term partners.

Sources, Psychology 13 Ed chapter 2,3,10.

Motivation, theory research, chapters relating to evo and mating psych.

Other sources, biology universes online and arguably my favourite yt lecture by Dr. Andrew Huberman from Huberman labs called The science of love desire and attachment.

Mysterious-Mood-9418 · 2022-09-27T15:39:28+00:00

"If all women listened and took their advice which is to not be promiscuous to find a long term relationship, who would they have all the sex with?"

Their husband's

"What if women listened and actually took on board the advice and stopped being promiscuous, what then?"

Then divorce rates wouldn't be in the toilet and broken homes wouldn't be nearly as large of a concern. Then crime rates would drop because a large majority of criminals didn't have fathers in their lives.

Aggressive_Orange855 · 2022-10-03T05:37:50+00:00

I will try to digest these as a recently exredpilled guy

So there are a few different things here so I will pick out the claims/questions from your post:

1) RP men think women being promiscuous is hazardous to society

- Yes, and im not so certain that this an entirely RP thing either. The train of thought is more female promiscuity, the more single mothers and consequently the more tax burden on everyone else ( a large portion of single mothers rely on the state which is funded by taxes, which breaks down to you are paying for other people who dont have the capability of providing for their own children), the less certainty the male partner has of parentage, which will definitely influence his willingness to provide for the woman and her offspring. Despite all the methods of birth control this single parent phenomena is on the rise

2) Men shouldn't wife hoes.

I agree with this, not really a redpill thing more just a common sense thing. I think the confusion lies in what is a hoe. Just having a high partner count doesnt necessarily make you a hoe, its more about how you wield your sexual power.

3) Men shouldnt wife women with large body counts.

This is a RP boogeyman, it stems from oft passed around studies regarding marriage success and partner count. Tbh, most men wont ever know their partners true counts; however the greater sexual access for women does bring insecurity in men as their role traditionally as providers is threatened.

4) They say they should sleep with them on the first date or kick them to the curb

Yes, this is hyperbole but also a bit of strategy. Simply put, if you dick a woman down good she probably will overlook minor flaws that may not lead to a second date. Men have not seen a second date sometimes for the most ridiculous of reasons, so to move quickly and work with arousal is a better strategy . First date might be a bit quick for some, the point is the sooner the better. As far as kicking them to the curb, basically meaning not to waste time and money when its not going to go anywhere. Many men have gone through the experience of going on several dates which required significant investment all to just be let go in the end.

5) Even in committed relationships they view infidelity as ok.

This is a more recent RP thing I think, back when I was introduced to it was nearly 20 years ago, it was mainly focused on hooking up with women and didn't touch really on anything after that, which at least for me just meant to pursue the traditional relationship dynamic. This infidelity thing I think more stems from Dead Bedroom fears than anything.

6) If they hate hoes so much, why are they creating and manufacturing hoes.

I would say that women are the ones manufacturing the hoes not RP men. RP men typically from what I have seen want more a tradwife for the long term. Being a hoe implies crossing others boundaries relationship wise ( example: sleeping with a married man ) . TBH, I don't recall any RP men calling for women to be like this.

I think the confusion stems from mens apparent interest in sexually provocative women. Yes, men want a sexy woman, however the woman has to have self-control over that. If she doesnt then she will be pumped and dumped because she is a liability. She becomes a liability because if she cannot control herself from sleeping with others people will socially judge and censure the man.

7) How can you have lots of sex with women if you also believe women should be traditional and not whorish?

Traditional is not just in a sexual partner sense. Gender roles in housework being one thing that comes to mind. I see where you are coming from however, and I agree, you cant become sexually experienced without having sex with people. RP men definitely need to adapt to the reality that women do tend to have a good bit of partners before settling down

8) If women stopped being promiscuous, what then?

That's not going to happen but I think what most RP men hope for is that if a woman is going to be promiscuous that she is careful about who she lets impregnate her and should avoid pregnancy until she finds a suitable long term partner.

Title	Ex RP’ers, I have a question
Author	Andromeda-Native
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Date	September 26, 2022 7:59 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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