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Man legally changes gender to female to get custody of daughters amid outrage

Significant-Goat-722

January 7, 2023
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https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/man-legally-changes-gender-to-female-to-get-custody-of-daughters-amid-outrage-9823931.html
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Title Man legally changes gender to female to get custody of daughters amid outrage
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Significant-Goat-722

Upvotes 763
Comments 93
Date January 7, 2023 9:09 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/105kop0/man_legally_changes_gender_to_female_to_get/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/man-legally-changes-gender-to-female-to-get.1146668
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Comments

[–]pd33833 301 points302 points303 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If that doesn't show you how bad men have it vs. women in court, nothing will. Craziness

[–]63daddy 139 points140 points141 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The only reason there’s outrage is because there’s court bias behind custody laws. Without such bias the gender or sex would be irrelevant and there would be nothing to be outraged over.

[+]fiercealmond -83 points-82 points-81 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Languages have genders not people

[–]Equivalent_Prize_492 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get you’re trying to be “woke” or something but this is just incorrect and frankly kinda dumb. Even if you believe that gender is a construct people still have genders if they choose to identify as them. Just like they have names or have “personality traits.”

[–]Mr-Stuff-Doer -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Personality traits aren’t something you freely choose

[–]Equivalent_Prize_492 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can be. Have you ever had moments where you thought, “I want to be more like ____.” And became like that. You can 100% choose personality traits that you develop.

I do also agree with your point and think personality traits are inherited through both genetics and environment. But you still fully have the free will do something about them in adulthood making personality traits a choice in my opinion.

And individual chooses how they act biased in their past experiences forming a “personality” but they can still become aware of the traits they have and shift and change them if they so choose.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually grammatical gender is not the same as natural gender.

[–]Chompys_backup1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually there is plenty of evidence that women and men have different brain structures. And interestingly, trans people (at least, the ones who are concerned with actually transitioning) also have brain structures with more closely align with their self identified gender than they do with their born sex.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually that last part is quite Contentious, and it's often repeated by overplaying the degree of congruence.

For example, among monozygotic twins where at least one is trans, only in 30-35% of cases is the other trans as well.

[–]shit-zen-giggles -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

can you back that claim up with a source?

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[Here you go](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2013.750222)

​

[Here's another](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-17749-0)

[–]shit-zen-giggles -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[+]NumerousImprovements -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Languages have names, not people.

[–]IPutThisUsernameHere 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fish are friends, not food?

[–]TheRabid 202 points203 points204 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Modern problems require modern solutions…”

[–]badautomaticusername 110 points111 points112 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amid outrage that he did it it seems, not that he had to.

[–]Torsten_Das_Toast 80 points81 points82 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

he really played them by their own game, props to her

[+]AfraidDifficulty8 -31 points-30 points-29 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My man still identifies a guy, the trans thing is just for the legal advantage.

[–]Torsten_Das_Toast 49 points50 points51 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and the her is a joke, thats why i used both

[–]inquirewue 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

whoosh

[–]LWJ748 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sarcasm my friend.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points76 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Any outrage is hypocritical.

[–]Decitriction 36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Conform your opinions to mine or I will cry-bully you with feigned outrage."

[–]mopemardermun 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women being hypocritical?? Surely not!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not the right attitude to have. The problem is feminism, not women. There are female MRAs and male feminists.

[–]thegoodearthquake 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have been thinking of changing my pronouns to them if it gives me more job security

[–]no_not_this 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh it’s a guaranteed lawsuit win if they fire you. They 100 percent won’t get rid of you if your trans

[–]Obliterous 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You cannot have the spirit of the law without allowing the letter of the law; Dude used a rule intended to stop one form of discrimination and used it to avoid another one...

[–]griii2 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Does anybody have information about custody laws in Ecuador and whether they give advantage to women?

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 65 points66 points67 points 3 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes. As contained in the Code for Children and Adolescents (bold mine):

Art. 106.- Rules for entrusting the exercise of parental authority. In order to entrust parental authority in the cases provided for in Article 325 of the Civil Code, after hearing the adolescent, the boy or girl who is in a position to express their opinion, the Judge shall observe the following rules:

1.- Whatever the parents agree will be respected as long as it is not detrimental to the rights of the son or daughter;

2.- In the absence of agreement of the parents or if what is agreed upon by them is unsuitable for the best interests of the son or daughter of the family, the parental authority of children who have not reached twelve years of age shall be entrusted to the mother, unless it is proven that this is detrimental to the rights of the son or daughter;

See also rule 4 of the same article:

4.- If both parents demonstrate equal conditions, the mother will be given preference, provided that it does not affect the best interests of the son or daughter;

[–]agiganticpanda 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

While it's against the spirit of the law, it should highlight the sexism and injustice of child custody, not be a slight against trans issues.

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The parent in question basically mentioned that they were intending to do just that.

[–]Oz70NYC 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Holdup. Soooooo...if both parents demonstrate the exact same capacity to provide for the child...the mother is given preference REGARDLESS? How the fuck is that even fair?

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Precisely. Fucked up, isn't it?

[–]Oz70NYC 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought we had it bad in the states. That's ficking outlandish.

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I could kind of understand a slight presumption in favor of the mother during the first year or two, when breastmilk is the ideal nourishment for the baby or very young toddler, but after that, there is nothing a mother can do that a father can't do equally well. Having a presumption in favor of the mother up to the age of 12 is just bonkers.

Personally, I would be in favor of a slight presumption in favor of the mother from age 0 to 2 (due to the breastmilk issue), a slight presumption in favor of the father from age 2 to 4 (to offset any bonding time that the father may have been deprived of due to the presumption in favor of the mother during the first two years) and then a presumption of equal custody from age 4 to 18 (self-evident for any fair-minded person). I believe that this arrangement best balances the competing interests of the three interested parties, although I would be willing to have my mind changed by arguments to the contrary.

[–]fiercealmond 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there someplace in the western hemisphere that doesn't?

[–]Chemical-Kale76 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ngl he is kinda genius

[–]Slap-A-Chav 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But feminists have always championed the idea that trans women are real women. So… What’s the problem here? She’s a real woman now, no?

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Always? More like in the last decade or two at most, I think. Several big names of the second wave of feminism had very vicious things to say about transwomen, and I know that there were important feminist music festivals and other events as recently as the 1990s from which transwomen were banned.

[–]Slap-A-Chav 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh right...

[–]Antanarau 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the big thing . Nobody quite knows what exactly makes a woman, much less a transwoman. Well, they know, but they won't say it because it goes against other things they say.

Which is why things like in these article are possible to happen.

[–]Flying_Reinbeers 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"What's a woman?"

[–]ct3bo 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno. I'm not a biologist /s

[–]whtsnk 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

always

That’s not true at all.

[–]Joey9221 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if that isn’t the Mother of all Uno Reverse cards, I don’t know what is

[–]Foxsayy 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That site has so many ads I can't even read the damn thing.

[–]TigerIIiIy 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would this work in Michigan I wonder

[–]Anih1list 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently women get custody in Ecuador where this case is. Also the man says he’s not doing it to make fun of the queer community, just to help his children. The LGBTs denounced him and said the sex change wouldn’t help the case.

My instinct is the man isn’t acting maliciously and the LGBT activists are unjustifiably angry, but also the stunt isn’t necessarily effective.

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's effective to raise awareness about inequality in the law against men that most people had previously never believed existed.

[–]throwaway3569387340 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

This is the only person whose pronouns I will recognize.

[+]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam -16 points-15 points-14 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Why do you want to be mean to and alienate potential trans allies?

[–]throwaway3569387340 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Because the whole pronoun thing is delusional. If I thought I was Napoleon and wanted everyone to address me as Emporer, I would expect to be given professional help, not validation.

I have no interest in trans allies. I strongly believe you are free to live your life however you like. You do not get to impose your reality on me though. It's not mean. It's fact.

[+]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam -12 points-11 points-10 points 3 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

You're playing right into the hands of anti-MRA propagandists who claim that we're far-right lunatics. Also, given that we have a 50-50 chance of being either male or female at birth, is it so hard to imagine that some people might end up with the wrong brain for their body in terms of sex?

[–]throwaway3569387340 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I have no problem with effeminate men. I also have no problem with masculine women. I realize that the social constructs of what used to be considered "male" or "female" did not define all people.

But I will not call a biological woman a man, or a biological man a woman. I just won't do it. That is defined by irrefutable physical characteristics and is VERY clear. XX: Woman, XY: Man. Yes there are aberrations but that is an incredibly tiny portion of the population.

And "non-binary" is just bullshit. Sorry, I deal in reality.

[–]Mental-Bullfrog-7539 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

XX: Woman, XY: Man

I am impressed you can see chromosomes! But how do you tell the sexes of birds, reptiles and fish since they don't have X and Y chromosomes?

[+]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Regardless of your personal feelings towards transpeople, do you seriously not see the tactical value of having allies who've lived as both male and female and can thus tell the world that being male doesn't actually mean having more privilege and isn't nearly what it's cracked up to be, and with much greater credibility for most than we have?

I feel like you're kind of shooting yourself in the dick by letting your personal distaste for transpeople cause you to disregard the value of the above, but it's your choice in the end.

[–]throwaway3569387340 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

I can defend myself. I won't compromise my values to make things easier. Again, I have no issue with trans people. I DO have issue with this relativism that has permeated every aspect of western society.

"Your" reality is not reality. Reality is reality.

[–]Flying_Reinbeers 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

is it so hard to imagine that some people might end up with the wrong brain for their body in terms of sex?

Tomboys and femboys exist, and are effectively being erased at very early ages.

[–]whtsnk -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

TEMRAs are a lost cause. They contribute nothing meaningful to the men’s rights movement.

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish they would at least recognize the tactical value of acknowledging transpeople and their perspective, if nothing else.

[–]throwaway3569387340 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. I had to look that one up. Yay! I have a label!

It's a distraction. Men are being mauled in the courts by the millions every year. Once we fix that we can talk about the first world problem you're concerned about.

When you're fixing a problem you fix the biggest portion first.

[–]whtsnk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Excluding transmen from men’s rights causes is the superficial first-world concern.

It's a distraction.

Yes, it’s a distraction of your creation.

You can work alongside them to promote a fair society for all men, or you can waste hours upon hours signaling to the world about how you don’t see them as “real” men. The only person that would be trying to “fix” minor problems would be you.

[–]Viridianscape 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"MRM try not to be a smokescreen for regressive politics challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)"

[–]whtsnk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're talking about the person two comments above me, right?

[–]Flying_Reinbeers 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wholly believe those people should seek therapy instead of... mutilating themselves and believing they're someone that they are not.

The LGBT-whatever community have shown time and time again that they will cannibalize their own supporter base (and the 'normies' support) when moving to the next big thing.

[–]SebTheMenace 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why say it publicly? He is going to make it worse for dude in need to do the same

[–]LandscapeClear1630 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

UNO reverse card*

[–]HurryLocal982 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why don’t all women identify as men to solve the gender pay gap?

[–]foiler64 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now let’s use that outrage to fix the system!

[–]DrakeJack143 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Look at me, I'm the mother now." UNO reverse sickos! Lol

[+]jack_avram 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha, kind of badass actually. Combating a biased system

[+]mopemardermun -30 points-29 points-28 points 3 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

Based. Fight the woke atheists at their own stupid game.

Edit: just want to say it's hilarious how you can tell the exact moment the Americans woke up - post goes from upvotes to downvotes within a few minutes. Keep crying atheist Americans. Atheism is literally at the heart of every struggle men face and the rise of feminism, as explained in my below reply. There's a reason that atheists are vastly overrepresented in feminists, and that feminists despise and attack traditional religion. Weird how the "super smart" atheists can't figure out simple pattern recognition. Even animals can do that lmao

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ecuador is over 96% religious, and 80% Catholic, so I find what you say to be pretty baseless.

[–]MinecraftingThings 43 points44 points45 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

What does atheism have to do with it?

[–]SunosUnix 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A religious zeolite trying to cause outrage at the wrong group, lol

[+]mopemardermun -30 points-29 points-28 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Atheism is a bedfellow with feminism. Feminists are much more likely to call themselves atheists. Similarly decline in religiosity has been in direct correlation with the rise of feminism. In general religions had strict rules regarding women, and that's why in places that still follow traditional religion strictly (see the middle east) there is no feminism.

Are you upset because you yourself are an atheist and don't like this inconvenient truth? Boo fucking hoo. Being an MRA atheist is like being a turkey who can't wait for Christmas. Pure leopards are my face shit.

The fact you don't even know the link between atheism and leftism/woke bullshit/feminism is hilarious. I thought you atheists were all super intelligent pro facts people? Guess that's not the case after all 😂

[–]Dood71 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a loser lol

[–]NoMoreWhiteGrievance 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tl;dr zealot mad that people can think different then him

[–]WartimeDad 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go to hell lol

[–]PEWPEWPEW782 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean you’re kinda right but you dont need to be jerk about it. The point of our religion is to teach them about it not spew hate and try to believe out of fear

[–]MinecraftingThings 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you ok?

[–]Torsten_Das_Toast 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

simple pattern recognition

aka: putting people into boxes by the overrepresentation of minorities in a group that gain the most traction on the internet.
my brother in christ: we share a community and are on the same page, yet i am a european atheist.
maybe i should start putting you into a box after i heard all that internet buzzwords

[–]excess_inquisitivity -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

my brother in christ: we share a community and are on the same page, yet i am a european atheist.

"My brother in Christ, I am an atheist."

!?!???

[–]Torsten_Das_Toast 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, dont leave room for sayings, just take everything literally

[+]DowntownInTheSuburbs 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Atheists do not claim any of this. Try again.

[–]JustAu69 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean I'm not Christian, I've got no problems with Christianity, but when you go out of your way to drag religion into it it just ruins it

[–]hindumafia 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The father himself could be atheist and mom religious. Conservatives don't give much rights to men and neither does patriarchy.

[–]SunosUnix 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry you lack the intelligence to recognize that correlation doesn't equal causation. Lol

[–]KillChipRoy51 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

For the second year in a row, Republicans sabotaged efforts in the NDAA to expand the selective service registration requirements to women.

Jim Inhofe, Chip Roy, Mike Crapo, Jim Risch were among those who led the effort to perpetuate the ultimate and most serious discrimination against men, made all the more evident by the current war in Ukraine.

Until you guys don't understand that these fucks, and especially their daughters and female relativs, must be targeted with terrorism, nothing will ever change.

[–]Flying_Reinbeers 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Advocating for terrorism isn't very tolerant of you lol

[–]chokeandtieher 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love it😂

[–]Hype-And-Style 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For the life of me this should never work. If this works the courts are even more of a circus than I thought

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