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Angry student viciously attacks random men in her class, says "hit me f*ing back!"

AndrewLevin

December 29, 2013

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Title	Angry student viciously attacks random men in her class, says "hit me f*ing back!"
Author	AndrewLevin
Upvotes	4
Comments	81
Date	December 29, 2013 4:55 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ty5wi/angry_student_viciously_attacks_random_men_in_her/
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[–]Mythandros 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning. What I'm saying is that responsibility for our actions, no matter what they are, rests with each and every single one of us. (Medical/Psychological disorders notwithstanding) But even with a medical/psychological disorder, the person shouldn't be exonerated 100%. They should bear the brunt of that responsibility at least somewhat.

Let's say there was a victim here, someone who she injured while she was freaking out and attacking people. If that person had medical bills, or what have you, she shouldn't be excused just because she's mentally unstable. She should still be responsible for that persons medical bills, at least, to give an example.

Fortunately, no one was hurt in any way here, but I'm just saying that someone has to face the music when a situation like this arises and that should always be the person responsible, whether they have a valid excuse or not, and not ever the victim of the assault.

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[–]CMOS222 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, none of us on this discussion was there in the room, so it's useless to speculate on why the men who were assaulted did/did not strike the woman back. It is entirely possible that they (rightly) interpreted the situation as someone experiencing a psychotic break, in which case they may not have felt justified (rightly) in assaulting a mentally ill person. We just don't know.

Of course someone has the right to raise their hand and protect themselves if they are physically assaulted, regardless of the gender of the assailant, assuming they saw the blow coming. And in fact, you are mistaken in claiming that the person she struck made no attempt to defend himself; the man in the blue sweater vest did in fact grasp her wrists in an attempt to restrain her.

One of the biggest criticisms of extremist feminists is their inability to keep things in perspective and in context. Please let's not make the same mistake.

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[–]CMOS2221 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Now you're deliberately refusing to distinguish between defending oneself from assault, and assaulting someone who may be a mentally ill person. In fact I would go so far as to say you're attempting to make a basis for claiming it's ok to assault the mentally ill regardless of the circumstances.

You're also deliberately refusing to distinguish between making a valid criticism of an opinion, and demanding silence from the person expressing the opinion. Yet you yourself described my viewpoint - one which some people on this discussion would agree with - as "revolting". I can't think of a better example of the pot calling the kettle black.

As I said elsewhere, working on your debating skills by defending logically irrational viewpoints is an interesting hobby, and I'm sure it helps develop cognitive skills and prevent early-onset Alzheimers. But it kind of makes people look like a douchebag. Try chess or sudoku or something.

[–]baskandpurr 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree with all of that in principle. If a male acted like this, then the response would probably have been different. The problem I have with this is that she is mentally ill. Her behavior cannot be said to represent feminists or women in general. Unless we understand her condition fully I think we risk misrepresenting her actions and victimising her. I have a schizophrenic brother, who is not violent at all. I think people who do not understand his condition have no right to comment on it and this girl deserves the same consideration.

If you wish to debate mental illness and responsibility, that's an interesting topic in itself. Some mentally ill people harm others, most harm themselves. Whether their actions are reasonable given their state of mind is a complex topic. The professionals involved have never reached a consensus about it. But it's not men's rights either way. In this case, we do not have any information about this person's state of mind. For me, her behavior is too manic, quite possibly a psychotic episode.

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As much as I enjoy an exchange of witty insult, I'd prefer to return to the topic.

The issue of people being allowed to defend themselves and the attackers responsibility are very different. These people are absolutely justified in defending themselves, I never said anything to contradict that. There could be many reasons why they choose not to. While she is very aggressive she doesn't assault anyone, and eventually two people try to restrain her. People may be trying not to escalate the situation and risk actual harm to themselves or her.

My point about responsibility is that we cannot accurately condemn her actions because we do not have all the information. Mentally ill people can sincerely believe all kinds of terrible things, some of those things would drive a typical person to violent self defence. Without knowing her state of mind, we cannot make value judgements about the motivation for her actions. That doesn't affect others right to defend themselves.

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Learn to read.

I never assumed anything, I just brought up the possibility of her being harassed. Her behavior is not normal, but would be much more likely the result of harassment than anything else.

I put men in quotations marks because these KIDS are in high school. They are not men. They are children.

And yeah, to some people being verbally assaulted is worse than physically. For example, I practice MMA. If someone wants to fight me I can respond accordingly. But I am not so witty and clever. So if someone wants to pop there mouth off to me I really have no smart alec response back. In my case, I would much rather being physically harassed than verbally.

People are different and respond to things differently. Was she right? No. But do not try and turn your rush to be a victim into some kind of 'great cause'.

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True but this issue was a black woman going crazy because she thought all white people were racist and needed to vent her "oppressed college educated" self upon those evil white people.

White males would probably gain a better education in a white male only segregated school but I can tell you that affirmative action is not working for the African American community in college. There is nothing but more and more "thug life" blacks from both genders invading the college institution and this case is going to become more and more frequent.

The reason why I called you both out on it is because it ISN'T a men's right issue, as I said before. Get rid of today's black culture and you'll solve a lot of issues right there. The "thug life" and "drugs are awesome!" attitude, if erased, would create a better community all around.

Though let me guess, thinking that not having "thugs" around would be a good thing makes me a bad person I'm betting.

[–]nathan8999 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

White males would probably gain a better education in a white male only segregated school

Since this was college I assume you are speaking of the college level. I can't think of any reason why this would lead to a better education for white males. You're acting as if black people are throwing chairs across the classroom and being huge distractions from the learning experience. From my experience they aren't. I could argue the benefits of diversity, preparation for the real world work environments, etc. but I don't think that necessary.

but I can tell you that affirmative action is not working for the African American community in college.

What does the effectiveness of affirmative action have to do with segregation of schools?

There is nothing but more and more "thug life" blacks from both genders invading the college institution and this case is going to become more and more frequent.

So we shouldn't allow an entire group of black people into college because some people are thugs? How do you think these policies are going affect the mentality of young black people? "Oh, if you graduate high school you can't go to this college because you're black and that means you bring "thug life" with you." That's sure to do wonders with your goal of getting rid of black culture and thug life. Lets not let college going black people interact with white people. Oh yeah, that's not how you progress the flaws of today black culture. You make problems significantly worse that way.

Though let me guess, thinking that not having "thugs" around would be a good thing makes me a bad person I'm betting.

No, but thinking thugs= black people is incorrect.

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[–]nathan8999 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Texas.

Quotas or lower standards are bad. I agree with that.

The university I do security for has a 40% black population and I can promise you that there are perhaps five individuals who are not the "thug life" in this university.

They probably act differently inside and outside of the class. Sure it's not ideal to have outlandish behavior on campus but inside the classroom is probably much better compared to when you have to approach a conflict as a security guard.

Your opinion is that AA is bad because it lets uneducated black people on campus who tend to act in ways that distract from a learning environment. I can see that occurring but this isn't an argument for segregation as you previously mentioned. It's an argument against AA because it's unequal and allows people that don't belong on campus on the campus. Or they may belong on another campus that they qualify for. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the black people on your campus do qualify for that school and act appropriately in the classroom environment.

[–]Grailums1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Considering that this year nearly 15 black students have had to been dropped from the school because of their ways kind of speaks of a growing trend.

Affirmative action should NOT allow a terrible black student in over an accomplished white student. That should never happen. Look at Fisher v Texas. A white girl with higher marks than dozens of the black students admitted actually WON against Affirmative Action because AA isn't supposed to be about under-qualifying blacks getting in over qualified whites, it's about ensuring equally qualified blacks do not get denied because of their skin tone.

In my two years of doing security at this university I have not got a call against a white person being too "loud" it's been blacks. The only calls against whites I've got was one who drank WAY too much (off campus) and the RA found him in his dorm with the door open and unresponsive. The other? Downed too many pills.

I find it ironic how much we think blacks have it "hard" when whites are committing suicide more than they are.