Can't find any jobs with a near 3.8GPA, while all female classmates have a long list of experiences with 2.0-2.5GPAs

AvailableCandidate89 · 2023-04-11T17:39:44+00:00

It's blatant sexist discrimination against men, always has been

Spirited-Road-4345 · 2023-04-11T17:49:17+00:00

Volunteer to teach English in Japan or Korea. Not kidding.

Correction: Thanks to a reply, I shouldn't have said volunteer. Apply for openings with pay. You will be far more appreciated.

DougDante · 2023-04-11T23:29:33+00:00

I'm not an attorney and this is not legal advice.

You wrote about possible job discrimination in education employment based on sex as well as sexually desirable characteristics (tall athletic male).

Your tone is angry. It is natural to be upset if you feel you are a victim of injustice. However, as a job applicant it's very important that you do not disqualify yourself due to your own outlook.

I would advise you to speak with an attorney as well as with a male friendly psychologist and potentially an interview coach. Doing so can help maximize your chances of landing a job and may be beneficial to demonstrate your actions in any future legal dispute. Speak with an attorney about them.

Sex-Based Discrimination

Sex discrimination involves treating someone (an applicant or employee) unfavorably because of that person's sex, including the person's sexual orientation, gender identity, or pregnancy.

https://www.eeoc.gov/sex-based-discrimination

Filing A Charge of Discrimination

With the EEOC

If you believe that you have been discriminated against at work because of your race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, gender identity, and sexual orientation), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information, you can file a Charge of Discrimination. A charge of discrimination is a signed statement asserting that an employer, union or labor organization engaged in employment discrimination. It requests EEOC to take remedial action.

https://www.eeoc.gov/sex-based-discrimination

Document instances of bias. Maintain excellent notes.

It sounds like you feel this employment discrimination is taking place at your current school as well at the schools where you are seeking employment. That may be a Title IX violation.

Taking Legal Action Under Title IX

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 protects people from discrimination based on sex in education programs or activities which receive federal financial assistance. Taking legal action under Title IX can be a powerful way to help yourself and other students.

The below resources are intended to provide information about how to take legal action and the consequences that could result.

https://www.knowyourix.org/legal-action/taking-legal-action-title-ix/

Possible cause for a federal civil rights action under:

42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983

US courts provide forms:

Complaint for Violation of Civil Rights (Non-Prisoner)

https://www.uscourts.gov/forms/pro-se-forms/complaint-violation-civil-rights-non-prisoner

Possible basis of a class action lawsuit for similar situated people (Consumer of education, employment seeker especially in education, and general civil rights may all apply):

WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF CLASS-ACTION LAWSUITS?

There are many cases and issues that can be brought as class-action lawsuits. Often, class actions fall into one of the following categories:

...

Consumer: These class actions hold accountable business entities who engage in systematic and fraudulent or illegal business practices that scam or harm the consumer. Examples include antitrust cases like price-fixing, market allocation agreements and monopolistic schemes.

Employment: Employees who have been discriminated against, employees with immigrant worker issues, workers who have hour and wage issues and employees who have on-the-job injuries or suffer because of employer safety violations can bring class-action lawsuits against employers.

https://www.hbsslaw.com/about/what-is-a-class-action-lawsuit

CIVIL RIGHTS CLASS ACTIONS:

A SINGULARLY EFFECTIVE TOOL TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION

For over 50 years, class actions have been among the most powerful tools to secure civil rights in America. Brown v. Board of Education, 1 which outlawed school segregation and set the stage for the entire civil rights movement, was a class action lawsuit. More recent examples include the case portrayed in the Hollywood movie “North Country,” based on the case Jenson v. Eveleth Mines and considered to be the first sexual harassment class action lawsuit.

CENTER FOR JUSTICE & DEMOCRACY

https://centerjd.org/system/files/CivilRightsClassActionsF.pdf

I wish you the best of luck in your search for justice.

Tsui_Red · 2023-04-11T18:33:41+00:00

Pick an Asian country, apply for English teaching jobs, Korea is nice, Japan is nice even Thailand has its charms, get out of the American system, you will never get far due to your gender and the stigma of men and children.

odysseytree · 2023-04-11T17:50:17+00:00

Identify as non binary transwoman until you get the job. Meritocracy is dead.

Ok-Translator2294 · 2023-04-11T19:08:06+00:00

As a former language teacher I understand you. I kind of found my niche working with IT professionals and corporates, something that was easy for me because I also hold a degree in engineering. Honestly it was a lot easier than working with kids. Also, I was paid better there. Maybe you can give it a shot.

lorgskyegon · 2023-04-11T20:06:31+00:00

I've never once had enough employer care about GPA. In fact, what it means is you probably spent more time in the stacks and less socializing, which employers do care about. The old adage of "it's not what you know, it's who you know" still applies.

hockeylax5 · 2023-04-11T21:39:31+00:00

In a similar note, I was an engineering major in college with a near perfect GPA, TA and research roles, and relevant internship experience but had a tough time getting a job (only a handful of interviews and offers) while some women in my class with way less qualification had offers in the types of roles I wanted before me just because they went to one SWE job fair. Things worked out but felt pretty unfair since my resume probably just sat in the pile at those companies

You’ll unfortunately need to put in way more effort than them. Networking helped as well as just sending out 50+ applications each time I look for a new job, and only about 10-20% get back to me (being literally as qualified a candidate as possible)

Hang in there man. The other comments about teaching English abroad seem solid. Might be worth looking at Peace Corps or Teach for America if you want to stick with education. Otherwise, the military and intelligence agencies always are looking for people with language skills if you happen to proficiency in one in particular (usually things like Russian, Chinese, Arabic, Pashto, Farsi, and Urdu). You have a lot to offer the world and someone out there will appreciate your value

hunglikewatchbattery · 2023-04-11T22:54:12+00:00

OP, I just found out I was passed over for a job by several less qualified women. Sorry you're going through this.

ERiC_693 · 2023-04-12T00:07:44+00:00

Yeah people don't hire men to be around kids. These fields most likely have women doing the hiring, sure women dominate HR so they will hire themselves. It's something that I've noticed in my biology degree. All the girls got snapped up by large companies for internships/grad programmes and the male students (about 45% of the class) had to go for much lower level companies. There's no doubt about it, I can see it also. It's sus as fuck!

Anyway don't give up. I think there is a bias and men need to speak up but keep your head up and continue looking!

RabidusRex · 2023-04-11T19:29:52+00:00

no, it's cool.... "Affirmative Action" !

"Equity" !

it's only fair......

right? hahaha.

SympatheticListener · 2023-04-11T20:04:01+00:00

Discrimination. Fuck them all. Enlist in the navy. Start doing LSAT practice tests. You deserve so much better. Was in the same boat many years ago. High GPA and test scores but no jobs but mail clerk. Only dumb women and tall good looking men with shitty grades got hired or accepted into programs like medicine, dentistry, etc. So I just fucked off for a while, joined the navy, went into comp sci and settled for average paying job.

LowAd3406 · 2023-04-11T20:57:49+00:00

Hate to break it to you, but your GPA doesn't mean anything in the job world. It's all about experience, who you know, and how you present yourself. You could have a 4.0 but if you're socially inept all the knowledge and skills you have are meaningless.

mllhild · 2023-04-12T00:31:37+00:00

The rules of the game are stupid, so you just have to play by that stupid rules. Add a bunch of woke bullshit to your social media, say you are an pansexual attackhelicopter, change your legal sex to female and so on. Be the most minority on paper possible. Doesnt matter that you are white as a bedsheet, you are now a mixtrue of north american native and black guy.

Also looks are everything in life due to the halo effect. Grades dont matter, never did.

hendrixski · 2023-04-12T01:47:54+00:00

Today you learned that education is pretty much worthless, that nobody cares about your grades, 90% of getting a job is how well people like you during networking and interviews (and 10% if getting a job is demonstrating knowledge and skills).

Source: I'm a hiring manager.

Nuance007 · 2023-04-12T05:53:30+00:00

Case in point Yotube.

A pretty face and a somewhat interesting personality goes a long way ... If you're a female.

This is why painfully mediocre channels with women who fit the criteria of what I just wrote have hundreds of thousands to millions of followers; same goes for their view count of each video.

Plus_Escape_9236 · 2023-04-12T11:56:20+00:00

Just lie dude

hotpotato138 · 2023-04-11T17:55:27+00:00

Sorry to hear that!

sad_femboi · 2023-04-11T18:21:35+00:00

Where do you live? Also is there a racial difference between you and the tall guy?

Druss94508Legend · 2023-04-12T02:23:08+00:00

Yeah buddy it’s unfair. I remember applying for 1k job a year ago and I got 4 replies and got ghosted by three of them. Previous employer hired me and I’ve been with them since.

Hope to stay a long time there because I don’t want to job hunt again. It has everything I need: medical, pension and all. Spent 4 years working contracts non stop because I lacked experience.

One job I hired my replacement who had no experience. That was some bull

Signal_Pattern7869 · 2023-04-12T20:51:14+00:00

I hope the language you talking about has loops, functions, memory allocation, and IO APIs. God effing damnit when yall gonna stop learning things that has so little demand outside academia. Like what kind of function does LANGUAGE have besides translation/interpreting and general writing. All my buds who took on humanities in the unis are sorry broke ass bums with student loans size of Texas. Only meds, stem, bio and geo does work.

You literally chose a female dominated shit field and unhappy with the outcome. Sift those ppls LinkedIn - I bet more than half of the jobs they have are management that require foreign languages but not language related per se.

Idk maybe you are just too depressed and have a weak personality, but blaming discrimination ain't gonna do jack shit for you. You have to start thinking outside the box. More ed, excersize , no video games, no shit like tilktulk(im not even gonna spell this right - this is such a time waster that I don't understand how it's not ubiquitously hated). Join army for God sake. How the fuck there are unemployed 27 yolds is beyond me.

Trick-Champion3634 · 2023-04-13T07:48:50+00:00

Lol I’m an engineer and the female engineers we have are nowhere near on par with the guys. It’s anecdotal, yes, but this is true for all the female engineers we have. Zero determination, easy to ask for help/delegate. I have a laugh internally whenever I see then ask for some slack and then remember how much of a hardass my boss was to me during my internship, it made me better and I did produce a lot during that time. Can’t say the same for someone or the female engineers that’s for sure.

PolyyDev · 2023-04-11T21:10:00+00:00

quick answer: college is a scam

LowPressureUsername · 2023-04-11T20:53:46+00:00

All of the suggestions to go teach in Korea and Japan are valid. They really value hard work. It won’t be easy o learn their language or adopt their traditions but if you do it you’ll be so much happier.

Throwawaydhxj · 2023-04-12T10:03:37+00:00

No offense but this isnt about sexism (or atleast thats how i see it). This is about your attitude and connections (dont know you but may also be appearance). You spill out jealousy and entitlement. Need to work on that and your connections with people who matter, people who can get you good jobs.

I live in a country where we have a little over 1 million people. All of the better jobs go to friends or similar.

Even if you have a 4.0 and cum laude (with honors) you wont find a nice job without knowing the right people or good experience.

AspirationsOfFreedom · 2023-04-12T13:54:23+00:00

Look, my dude, i will not lie: the world is hard and discriminates against everyone, for a variety of factors, at diffrent degrees and factors.

What worked for me was to train to be far more extroverted than i naturally are, and work to be a charming and likable fuck. You want at an interview to convey confidence and intelligence, while also being friendly. My best advice to fake it, is to find your edge, and think of it while practising conversations with people.

People may think otherwise, but generally people SUCK at seeing past an act, if its performed deciently.

EzraBlaize · 2023-04-11T19:09:54+00:00

Unless you’ve unbelievably blessed by the gene pool or have unreal capital, being a Cis white man sucks. America is an ACTUAL sewer at this point.

0nn0 · 2023-04-11T18:47:36+00:00

Sorry to hear that you're struggling OP.

The vibe that I get from what you're writing here is that you have a bit of a problem with how you see the world and how you present yourself in it. I know this is not easy, but it is necessary to market yourself in this world in order to get ahead. I would like to point out that blaming others is not going to help you much in this case. You need to pick yourself up and make something out of what you do have. And judging by your high marks in school, you're not stupid, so use that. Perhaps it helps to see someone to coach you in things like presentation and maybe also see why you have such low self esteem?

XeroxCool · 2023-04-12T08:33:59+00:00

I think it's unlikely you are being discriminated against for being male, and even if you are, the only way you as an individual could overcome that is by focusing on improving your resume and interview techniques.

The most practical advice I can give you is to: - call up each position contact before you apply for the job and ask them more about the job and what skills and experience their ideal candidate possesses - tailor your resume and cover letter to the job - practice ahead of interviews, including having mock interviews - ask for feedback after each interview and be prepared to take it on board

SunosUnix · 2023-04-12T03:14:49+00:00

I worked for GM and now work at a datacenter for a large tech company, and had a 2.0GPA at graduation.

It ain't the GPA.

FindingMyPrivates · 2023-04-12T05:37:58+00:00

Bro you sound jaded af. Stop ingesting that dumbass black pill. It’s called networking. Yes for women it can be easier. Especially in those fields. That tall dude probably just has some charisma. I’m average height. At that age it was easy to find any ole job. I had an Internship offer a big company at the age of 29. I couldn’t go cuz of kids.

Stop blaming everyone else for your issues. Look at yourself in the mirror and figure out wtf you are doing wrong. Accept if for what it is. Pick your head up and stop crying. Idc if I get downvoted for this. We’re men. Start acting like one. We will always get the short end. Accept it.

Narrow-Suggestion957 · 2023-04-11T22:08:06+00:00

Before I can help, I first need to know how tall you are?

Limonlesscello · 2023-04-12T15:26:15+00:00

While I agree with the other options suggested here.

I would recommend that you try to work on your attitude.

The employee marketplace is like the African Serengeti when it comes to employees. You are now competing with everyone else trying to get food and water from the watering hole.

GPA means very little compared to social skills and connections. Your GPA will be more likely to land a job in your major as a first job but beyond first employment it's moot.

This is the REAL world, it's Feast or Famine.

Danny_J_M · 2023-04-11T23:39:37+00:00

My workplace, also a gov't department I believe has a policy of 'guaranteed interviews' for anybody who considers themselves to be a minority or 'part of a protected characteristic which may be considered to be objectified by perpetuated stereotypes', whom less of represent the organisation.

Basically, one could potentially call up resourcing and bang on about how they're a 'fill in the blank' and therefore aren't being given the same chance as other candidates and be guaranteed an interview, even if they/their application/experiences fall below the required standard.

I imagine such policies exist all over. Someone could be more likely to be hired for a position based on sex/gender/race/sexual orientation and so on, opposed to them actually being suitable for the job.

Basically being a straight white male could go against you.

hiyupjh · 2023-04-12T11:49:32+00:00

Try studying abroad teaching English. Get something to hold you over untill then.

Because to be honest no one looks at gpa after graduation.

notacrackheadofficer · 2023-04-12T13:07:46+00:00

I would like to recommend bookkeeping, accounting, and civil engineering as career pursuits for all young folks here. Zero mistakes are allowed in those fields. All those companies MUST hire on ability. Anyone who performs badly in those fields gets booted.

EverlastingDivinity · 2023-04-14T08:08:49+00:00

Try networking more. Do things that will build your confidence, like working out or cool hobbies that involve socializing. Do you have any job experience while you were going to college? I know the game is rigged, but I'm just giving you some ideas to overcome it and not let it drag you down to depression

Title	Can't find any jobs with a near 3.8GPA, while all female classmates have a long list of experiences with 2.0-2.5GPAs
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Date	April 11, 2023 5:33 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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