Should men still be traditional?

wandering0101 · 2023-05-31T09:14:39+00:00

What tradition? The Catholic tradition? The Mongolian steppes tradition? The Celtic marital tradition? The masculine roman tradition? The indigenous south American tradition?

What tradition?

sturgeo123 · 2023-05-31T06:05:54+00:00

Men should be able to have the freedom to be what they want to be.

Stargazer1919 · 2023-05-31T05:21:21+00:00

Do it if you want. But I don't believe sticking to rigid norms (and trying to get others to do the same) is healthy.

Trepptopus · 2023-05-31T03:42:28+00:00

No. Traditional gender norms are absolutely ass. For both genders.
Can a man aspire to the aspects of "traditional masculinity" that he aligns with? Sure, if that's his bag, but I don't think any guy should be held to those standards.

I lift weights, I work out and I am strong, I have wide shoulders, well developed muscles and can do several calisthenic exercises that most guys can't. Like handstand pushups and one arm pushups, one legged squats, that kind of thing.

I also like women, I am a good listener, a good cook. I am kind, I have long hair. I am short and I sometimes get mistaken for a woman, especially if I have a mask on. Because I have big eyes and long curly hair. In some ways I'm masculine, in other ways I'm very much not, but I'm only concerned with being me, with being a good human being and the best version of myself I can be.

Rigid gender norms only get in the way of people being fully realized human beings. It's a tool of suppression not self actualization. So fuck those standards, fuck masculine standards and fuck feminine standards because my humanity, your humanity, everyone's humanity isn't measure by how good we are at performing gender and it's bugfuck insane to pretend like it is.

tpobs · 2023-05-31T05:52:19+00:00

Nobody "should" be traditional. Being "traditional" is not even defined term. Tradition when? 1900's? 1950's? 1600's?

You do you pal. As long as you don't hurt others.

Naus1987 · 2023-05-31T05:30:48+00:00

Who’s holding them accountable to standards?

You can’t ask people to do something without giving them something in return.

If you just ask men to be like y, x, z for shits and giggles, then that’s fucked up.

The problem with red pill is they never question WHY. They just blindly follow.

Conscious-Head-5542 · 2023-05-31T13:02:36+00:00

I created a mantra for myself and I try to stick to it.

Be strong Be kind Be grateful Be humble

I think it encompasses some of the things I aspire to be. All of these include doing those things to others and to yourself too. Try to be the best you can and things will happen.

JonF1 · 2023-05-31T14:43:43+00:00

People should live how they feel like they need to.

That's it. It's not that deep.

-Seahawk · 2023-05-31T04:31:55+00:00

It should be up to the man not society. If you want to be a traditional man sure 100% go for it if you don’t that’s definitely fine as well. What I dont like is that traditional masculinity is being demonized right now especially in the US.

Highland60 · 2023-05-31T20:55:02+00:00

Core masculine traditions of leadership strength risk taking adventure seeking handling problems being dependable being a man of your word being honest being decisive are worthy and timeless traits

Pleaseplaywithme88 · 2023-06-01T00:59:01+00:00

They should be themselves. Unless they are really shitty on the inside. If that’s the case they should be educated.

KingKunta2-D · 2023-05-31T10:56:58+00:00

The real question is will women still see you as attractive if you're not traditional. Men can be whatever they want to be so can women it's America. The only problem is if you want social success you usually have to put on a certain outfit that typical women are looking for.

thrownawaytodaysr · 2023-05-31T12:15:26+00:00

No one should be held to traditional norms of any kind. Tradition is not an arbiter of what is correct or best. They are merely an indicator of what has historically been encouraged/fostered.

Never mind that there is a difference between someone emulating something because it makes them happy and someone being pressured to conform. The former is fine (be traditional if it makes you happy) and the latter is terrible (within reason).

Obviously I'm not saying all norms are bad. Ethical norms, in my view, are great. Be ethical. But traditional norms? I am traditional in some respects and not in others and I've felt the sense of inadequacy that draws from not meeting a particular benchmark that feels expected. It's not a good incentive/driver of change.

xvszero · 2023-05-31T14:36:59+00:00

MSN should be whatever they want as long as they treat themselves and others well.

Downtown_Cat_1172 · 2023-05-31T17:35:15+00:00

Redpill doesn’t promote traditional values, incidentally.

asdasf123321 · 2023-06-02T15:25:41+00:00

Yes. As a general statement, men back then were much more successful than men are today, so why not do what makes us successful?

Title	Should men still be traditional?
Author	FixDifficult752
Upvotes	2
Comments	49
Date	May 31, 2023 3:26 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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