Red pill is the same than agressive feminism

Nurse_inside_out · 2023-09-04T06:15:14+00:00

Your description of these "aggressive feminists" is that they demand men be tall, earn a good salary, and support them financially.

That doesn't sound like feminism in the slightest, those sound like people advocating for a much more traditional view of relationships where the man is the breadwinner.

Am I missing something?

NegativeKarmaVegan · 2023-09-04T18:13:21+00:00

They demand men to earn a good salary, to be tall, provide money,

It's definitely not the feminists doing that.

Justwannaread3 · 2023-09-04T14:01:41+00:00

The stuff you’re seeing online is not feminism. Usually, women advocating for “traditional masculinity” in that way are not even calling themselves feminists.

Have you considered doing any real reading into feminist philosophy or the modern feminist movement? Not just social media echo chamber stuff - the real thing.

eefr · 2023-09-04T07:32:47+00:00

They demand men to earn a good salary, to be tall, provide money, and to avoid certain attitudes.

An alpha male is a guy who earns a lot of money, have a priviledged body, and have bassically a jerk attitude. If you are not like that you are a beta male. This sounds a lot like agressive feminism demands.

You don't understand feminism very well.

bluemagex2517 · 2023-09-04T16:19:29+00:00

Why there is not a strong movement who just teaches you to be happy with yourself and find the person who makes you happy?

A few things come to mind.

First, feminism is a movement in response to oppression. Some of it is about being happy with yourself and finding someone who makes you happy, but largely simply being happy isn't enough to fight systemic oppression. To a large degree you need to get angry in order to fight back against those systems. Being "exigent and aggressive" is necessary, though sometimes some people have the wrong targets for their exigence and aggressiveness.

Second, social media pushes rage bait content. Most of the content out there from feminists has nothing to do with finding a man at all, let alone one with money, looks, or status. Yet, because the content out there like that is rage bait for men, it gets shared more and viewed more and pushed to the forefront. Academic feminist philosophers make content too, but you won't find their content unless you search it out and "follow," "friend," etc. them and their content. Instead the feminist content you're probably being fed by algorithms and users you follow or are upvoted to the top are from some young woman who means well but has things wrong in such a way as to ignite her content into rage bait.

Third, feminism has a philosophical backbone that the red pill content just doesn't have. People can get feminism wrong in a lot of ways. They get the facts wrong or direct its criticism at the wrong targets or any number of ways. But, when they get it right, it hugely important and tracks with reality. With the red pill, even when it's done in a way that is consistent with it's core philosophy, it's still overwhelmingly toxic and full of falsehoods. It's like evolution vs astrology. Someone can believe in evolution, but get the facts wrong and make content about how we evolved from Bigfoot, the cryptic. Or, someone can get the facts right and talk about Homo Erectus, Denisovans, and Neanderthals. On the other hand, someone can understand the minutia of Astrology completely, but no matter how much they understand the rules of astrology, it can't predict our personalities, moods, or events in our lives.

eatfleshdrinkblood · 2023-09-04T06:34:49+00:00

See, just five months ago I used to think exactly like you. Truth is that’s not real feminism that’s just crazy pink pilled r/FemaleDatingStragey bullshit. Yeah those women do exist obviously but it’s nowhere near as many as yout think. I get it though I thought like 95% if not more women were really like that for a very long time.

resurrect_john_brown · 2023-09-04T14:15:18+00:00

We may be relatively similar regarding the degree of anger and/or dissatisfaction we express, but that's about it.

Feminism developed out of oppression and has been organized around the fight for the legal, personal, and human rights that were long denied women. Red pill ideology is based on the defense of male privilege, which is rightfully being eroded by women's progress, and doesn't advocate for men as much as it blames women.

Feminism has established fields of academic and scientific research and necessarily has a very strong emphasis on history, since we are always having to make our case about which things are messed up and why things need to change. When women learn about feminism, they are also learning women's history. RPs applied absolutely no academic or scientific standards to their ideology, and (I'm being honest, not confrontational) typically demonstrate a deficient and/or significantly distorted understanding of history.

Feminism has focused on the necessity for both women and men to change in order for their goals to be met. Feminism encourages women to work on and make positive changes for themselves, to develop confidence and self-worth, and personally gives me the strength and courage to keep fighting no matter what. RP ideology largely focuses on women rather than the men for whom they claim to advocate. There is almost no focus the need for men to work on themselves, and most discussions revolve around how women can change to accomodate them.

Comparing the two is really an apples/oranges thing.

deezbutts696969 · 2023-09-05T18:16:44+00:00

Are these “aggressive feminists” in the room with us now?

Free_Essay7789 · 2023-09-04T17:03:23+00:00

Your view of extreme feminism is wrong. No feminist is asking for men to be tall or to earn a lot. Those preferences generally belong to more trad women. There are two branches of extreme feminism rn---radical feminists and liberal feminists. None of these two want the tall alpha archetype redpilled men seem to uphold. Liberal feminists want men whom redpilled dudes would call "beta". Men who are leftists or even commies, who are okay with the most extreme demands of the trans movement etc. And radfems want to mostly just separate themselves from men. The only group of women who are attracted to alpha men or want men to earn a lot and be tall and buff are trad women. Some OF women would be attracted to rich guys obviously but even they'd be turned off by the other red pilled values that are anti sex work.

So in short, feminists aren't upholding these demands. Men and some trad women are. And it's hilarious how unaware men are of what women want.

The way you phrase what you think feminists want tells me a lot about you. You have probably never actually tried to interact with feminists or read about it at all. All you know about feminism is what redpilled dudes have tried to teach you. I think a lot of it is projection. They think women view the world just as transactionally as those redpilled dudes view it. Or that women want big alpha male dudes who are dominating and rich simply because redpilled men think those dudes are attractive.

Most women would choose a loyal, supportive, funny and kind dude over these gremlins any day, no matter how much they make. That's the kind of dude most feminists want.

If you want to be desirable to women, work on your personality. Be loyal and supportive, love your woman, help her out in house chores and let her help you out financially, be funny and kind and work on your appearance in a healthy way (without obsessing on trying to be chad or whatever the f redpilled dudes tell you). And you'll already be better than like 80% of the men we have in the dating pool rn.

Revolutionary_Law793 · 2023-09-04T08:04:35+00:00

I am feminist, but some of some are just unnecessarily mean, sometimes. We past some memes which I really dislike and think they are counter-productive.

But this is definitely not in the same level as the average red piller

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Unkl_Chng82 · 2023-09-05T12:25:38+00:00

You hit the nail on the head. The Red Pill/MGTOW/Manosphere were born for other reasons but a big one was the growth of radical feminism. There's been an onslaught of articles and trends during the 2010s that bashed men. Men have been shamed, called toxic without a concrete definition , called unattractive for having average salaries, and called bad for being a " Nice guy" in some examples. At some point I knew the pendulum had(figuratively)swung as far to the "Left" and something was going to give. As much flack rp gets for its negatives, RP does empower men who feel left behind in society. There are alot of lonely , hurting , lost Men in the world. If you don't like RP media, then provide healthy alternatives that will positively empower Men of this generation .

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-09-06T12:33:35+00:00

Going MGTOW changed my life in a very positive way

I now live for myself without expectations or constructs i.e. relationships, marriage, kids etc

I now get to focus all my energies on work, hobbies and interests.

Title	Red pill is the same than agressive feminism
Author	sharedordaz
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Date	September 4, 2023 5:50 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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