Why do men supplicate and use desperation tactics 25% more than women?

threekindsoflucky · 2023-09-25T23:48:21+00:00

FYI if your post is a question, it's for /r/askMRP.

It can stay for now though.

mrchong2you · 2023-09-24T19:02:23+00:00

Modern men have been trained from youth, respect, pedestalize, elevate women. It's hard to break the training. Then, every day they are shamed by social media, be better, do better. You're right, mating women do not respect this. Desperate men, men who think they've met "the one", who gave up thinking they have value and option beg, plead, grovel. Every man has an option, be even if it's just to walk away, focus again on himself and his self worth. Walk away when necessary. ☮️

Remington-Holmes · 2023-09-24T20:08:49+00:00

1) Terrible lies and bad advice in media, much due tl modern feminism 2) oneitis and lack of abundance mentality for women (than women have for men) 3) Female manipulation of men in the stages of a relationship (read Practical Female Psychology) 4) Idea of traditional gender roles in a relationship that don't necessarily apply any longer (if the guy has no frame) 5) Mechanisation and automation eliminating the need for human muscle, and building of masculine men 6) Little war in the Western world since WW2, which caused a significant reduction in males at that time, and a consequential shift in supply/ demand and appreciation of a man

themostgianthorse · 2023-09-24T14:36:13+00:00

I do not know the answer to your question.

You presumably understand how and why to avoid this so the “research” is probably a waste of your time.

TRP ruined a fair amount of songs for me. Fuck you all and thank you at the same time.

kimcen · 2023-09-24T14:47:49+00:00

Is it that many have lower SMV than their wives and they know it (at least subconsciously)?

Yes but also it's projection of what they like on a partner. Men would love a woman who would do anything for them.

Women do it too, naturally doing dread game to men in the form of doing stupid shit to make him jealous, but it doesn't work because men aren't women.

tikitheman · 2023-09-25T06:47:54+00:00

The problem is you're never going to hear about the men who don't do this because they generally have good relationships. They also will not publicly tell the world how this girl or that girl was begging on there door step because we don't do the character assassination thing they do.

In the past few months, I've had 6 different girls. Of the 6, only one hasn't begged. Generally, they beg when they want a relationship, then they beg you to at least stop seeing other girls, then once you cut them off or they flake because you won't be exclusive tthey beg you to sleep with them just one more time.

This is a humble brag, but I'm sure others have the same experience.

When you're a fit, financially stable man, that isn't easily manipulated, you are rare. They are the ones that act with that scarcity mindset once you achieve some status and emotional maturity.

El0vution · 2023-09-24T14:46:12+00:00

It’s a good question and I don’t know the real answer. But here are two: men are more romantic than women, because we ideal romanticism more than women. We travel across oceans, to the moon, and into cyberspace for the romanticism of discovery. Women generally are more practical and pragmatic, and don’t go chasing the romanticism of life like men do. This is obviously evolutionary because nature can lose men on the battlefield of life with no worries, but it certainly can’t risk losing women. Men are cheap, women are expensive. It’s supply and demand. Have you seen the letters Napoleon sent his wife while he was out conquering the world? Pure simp behaviour at its worst. She cheated on him

Secondly, I think you’re correct, that because most men are simps, and aware of their inferiority, and their likely destiny of solitude, when they find a woman they tend to supplicate and beg and plead and cry to keep her.

deerstfu · 2023-09-24T14:36:42+00:00

Link the studies and post on askmrp.

Wewinky · 2023-09-24T15:18:28+00:00

Men aren't traditionally unemotional that is a false narrative that has been pushed for years. They're stoic, control emotion. When they don't control their emotions bad violence things happen. Why? When bad things happened violences was needed to survive. A sabertooth tiger coming to eat you or your kids as an example.

So when a relationship end that control gets screwed with and more extreme things happen. The desperation is stronger. Add in women generally leave a relationship mental a long time before they physically so they already prepared for it.

traveller1976 · 2023-09-24T20:41:24+00:00

2 decades of feminism and institutional infection have convinced men and women that men need to grovel, are fundamentally flawed and must beg women for companionship and sex.

A small percentage of 6 figures 6 feet 6 pack men didn't drink that piss and maintain harems of easy women to use as they please.

Women themselves hate simps but don't know what they want anymore, let alone how to be a wife.

Summary... It's all fucked up and crashing.

South_Masterpiece543 · 2023-09-25T04:12:03+00:00

Pussy. Women have it and men want it.

deerstfu · 2023-09-25T16:44:21+00:00

Meh, I read the article and looked at the original items in the cited 1988 article. The actual questions for "submission and debasement" are all along the lines of, "I agreed to do whatever my partner wanted." I didnt read anything about crying/begging, which was actually under emotional manipulation which was essentially equal between men and women in the study (yeah right). Then it was on a 0 to 3 scale from never to all the time. The actual mean difference was like .2, average of like .75 and .95. And these questions were asked among couples who were still together.

So what they're really reporting is, "among 107 couples studied, men were slightly more likely than the women they were with to report feeling like they agreed to do whatever their partner wanted in order to keep them"

they are reporting perception, not actual behavior. Men arent necessarily submitting more, they are just perceiving and reporting it. That's a different thing to explain and really not surprising to me.

One theory? The men are more likely to recognize they are submitting to keep their women out of oneitis/scarcity mindset. The women who stay in their relationship and submit are happy and think it's their own idea and don't report it. A woman consciously submitting against her will has lost attraction and will move on unless there is another reason keeping her in place (eg money).

stupid_pretty · 2023-09-26T19:25:04+00:00

I think this happens because women will decide the relationship is over, spend weeks/months, emotionally disconnecting & building an exit plan before the man knows what's happening.

Another aspect could be infidelity. Where a woman's body goes, her heart does. Unless she has a disorder (whether born with or the result of trauma) that prevents connection on a very deep, mate-bonded level. So if a woman who is able to mate-bond cheats her new lover may become her new mate. So her husband wanting to work things out may be met will apathy. And of course, that would break a man's heart.

ur_fault · 2023-09-24T17:11:08+00:00

Of course, having swallowed the red pill

Anyone who has lingered here

Very red pilled... still hasn't read the sidebar.

el_biguso · 2023-09-24T14:37:20+00:00

How long have they maped this? Do they mention it as a biological imperative or just a recent trend?

TheNattyJew · 2023-09-24T23:27:02+00:00

My guess is that, men generally do what they think is best at all times when trying to keep a mate. This is strategy #1 and it is all that most men know. When that fails the only thing left is option #2 which is to beg and plead. The whole point of MRP is to give men a better option

Important_Pattern_85 · 2023-09-25T00:32:24+00:00

Easy. Women are trained to pity and baby people they see as weak. Therefore- this tactic may work short term but definitely not long term.

As far as why women don't do this- they beg and plead and cry to maintain a relationship that's not working, and eventually when that doesn't work out they stop and emotionally disengage. It's walk a way wife syndrome. Also, women tend to be more emotionally intelligent, so they're not as likely as men to be blindsided that a relationship is coming to an end. They see it coming and have been trying to prevent it, and when that doesn't work out groveling seems pointless

lobodechelas · 2023-09-26T14:14:59+00:00

One word: monogamy. We are mamals, primates to be more precise and hence evolved such that one male may copulate within a small time period several females.

Having just one female on a long stable relationship increases her value as she has no one to compete with for the male's attention, hence higher the value, higher the dread of loss.

kvakerok · 2023-09-27T18:26:38+00:00

Oneitis then death by a thousand cuts.

Finally, they appeal to feels, what they think women value. It doesn't occur to them that women only value their own feels.

RepulsiveCockroach7 · 2023-09-28T17:16:38+00:00

You're right that men have traditionally been seen as strong and resilient, etc...but I don't think that modern men tend to share these traits as much compared to past generations. Maybe these could also just be the ideal male traits, not the average. I think the reasons for why men act this way now in relationships, is because we've been conditioned to see women as the source of value in a relationship. They're not. Ideally two people in a relationship should complement each other, but I think women need women way more than the other way around - both for physical safety and emotional wellbeing. It's time to flip this script.

anonymous50002 · 2023-09-30T01:16:09+00:00

AF/BB. Betas are useful for society. More men are more beta than alpha. Having more betas than alphas allows society to run. Very alpha men are rare and not inclined to be monogamous but get more sex from more women. But most men are either very beta or a healthy mix of alpha and beta, hence can be more monogamous and resort to beta behavior. Humans have created marriage to try to even the playing field so that every man gets a woman and mating partner and the chad’s opportunities are more limited. A species of mostly alpha males would be highly unstable. We would not be able to cultivate civilization like we did. Given all of this, marriage as an institution was key to civilization and human progress. Now think of how gorillas and most other primate societies work. They are mostly polygynous. One very alpha male gets multiple females. The silverback. They’re not crying over losing a female… but gorilla’s aren’t splitting the atom any time soon.

Indubious1 · 2023-09-24T19:28:15+00:00

“If men are traditionally seen as strong, resilient, unemotional, direct, and stable...why do so many lose their backbone and become so low value?”

In my opinion, for whatever that’s worth, most men were never high value to begin with.

How many men do you think there are in the world that believe that if they had more money, they’d be happier? Probably a large majority. Why would that be? I believe they seek artificial power. The power to exploit resources in exchange for validation. It’s manipulation. Most men will never do the mental work to validate themselves and are left at the mercy of external validation. The seemingly easier path is one of manipulation via power to acquire validation by force. Since most men thrive on external validation to get by in the world and all won’t achieve monetary success, they resort to emotional manipulation when at risk of losing a source of validation from a partner. Anger to intimidate and sadness as a play on a person’s empathy. Why do men act butthurt when they don’t get laid? It’s emotional manipulation of their partner to get what they want. What would be the point otherwise? Manipulation reigns as king tactic in a weak mind.

Fwiw: I’m not sure you meant your comment to read this way, but I don’t think men have to be emotionless to be successful in a relationship or to be stoic. It’s the emotional control that’s key. Knowing when and how to use them.

Title	Why do men supplicate and use desperation tactics 25% more than women?
Author	Dances_With_Waves
Upvotes	60
Comments	34
Date	September 24, 2023 2:16 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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