What can you learn from a creep?

LordXerces · 2014-03-13T20:34:18+00:00

A creep is a direct man with low SMV. A stud is a direct man with high SMV.

ejtnjin · 2014-03-13T22:44:04+00:00

As a woman who actually was stalked by a seriously messed up guy during high school, creep is a word I do not use lightly. When I was an undergraduate, I began to notice that girls used the word creep frequently and often without reason, even to describe guys they had never even met. Other times, I heard my friends use it to guys who they had crushes on the day before but had rejected them.

I'll never forget how one night a female friend and I were walking from a pizza place near campus around midnight. We were goofing around and talking when suddenly she got really quiet. When we were some distance away from this "alleyway" (this was not a city so it was just a narrow space between two buildings), she said in a hushed voice, "Do you think this creepy guy is following us?"

I looked back and it was a guy whom I had seen often around campus but I didn't know. Unfortunately for him, he was a strange looking guy, but dressed normally and with a normal haircut. He was a good twenty feet behind us and wasn't even looking at us as he walked. The guy could not have been more harmless, after all it was a popular shortcut. I found it really sad that the word would be used for a guy who has a crooked face, something which he cannot even help and doesn't indicate anything about his character or intentions.

RedPillDad · 2014-03-13T21:26:47+00:00

The creep label allows her to blame the guy for her entitled, bitchy behavior. If she thinks he's an annoying beta far beneath her, he's a creep. If he's worthy, but doesn't choose her, he's a creep.

If he's actually a creep, she'll probably fuck him.

fillmoreslimisback · 2014-03-13T23:01:15+00:00

Creep is a term directly borne on the back of feminism. Since feminism wants to preach that you can't call fat, ugly, socially awkward women unattractive, it needs to make a word to still refer to unattractive men without using the word unattractive.

"Creep" allows women to refer to unattractive men and justify the way they would usually treat unattractive men and still maintain the idea that they are not "body or look shaming" , but that they are treating this man they way they are because he is a "creep". When the uninitiated hear them use "creep" they think of the old fashioned term, which actually meant a person that used malicious and sneaky means to get what they want.

Women need a way to shame men for being unattractive so they use the word creep to attach the old fashioned qualities of the term to unattractive men.

This gives them an out to the question of , well "why don't you(feminist) advocate the dating of unattractive or quirky men the way you push men dating unattractive women?"

"That guy is not a unattractive, he's a creep" Just add water hamster.

edit:spelling

kukul · 2014-03-13T21:48:34+00:00

There is one defining trait of a "creep": he's out of place and lacks social proof.

My friends and I can find a bona fide neckbeard (with waifu pillow and everything), take him to a houseparty hosted by girls we know and introduce him as a "really great guy once you get to know him" and as long as he doesn't short-circut and do something stupid, he won't be called a creep.

But take a regular guy and make him crash a party where the only person he knows is a popular girl who hates him and he'll get chased away with pitchforks.

That's how "creep" works.

alfabro91 · 2014-03-13T21:16:41+00:00

Shy, insecure, chubby, socially awkward, insert any quality of your average beta here men really make women feel uncomfortable. As long as you project alpha traits you will never be labeled a creep. It makes sense from an evopsych PoV.

A strange male who projects alpha traits (confidence, dominance, assertiveness, physical fitness etc)? Potential replacement for current mate. A strange male who projects no alpha traits? Potential danger for the female.

Grainslol · 2014-03-14T00:01:08+00:00

Yes. As a guy who had bad gyno during high school and college who played WoW and didn't go to the gym, I most definitely was a creep. Ever since I graduated, lost weight (110 lbs. no more gyno!), started dressing well, and got a good job, I was no longer a "creep" in the eyes of almost all of the women around me. But having the disney rose-colored blue pill glasses over my eyes, the feminism from the schooling, and constantly being reminded of my low SMV because of my bad diet/exercise habits, it's tough staying in my frame despite how much value I know I currently have.

What helps me deal with this situation is realizing that I don't need validation, I need to GIVE validation. And it doesn't even need to be an obligation either. I GET to assign value. I GET to receive my rewards. I GET a free pass from guilt. It's my privelege. It's my privelege because I earned it. Nobody gave a shit about me until I made myself a better person besides my parents. No handouts, no fucks given.

I never thought about my value until I swallowed the pill. That was my hugest problem.

FortunateBum · 2014-03-13T21:47:03+00:00

Women do not use language precisely. I wouldn't rely too much on literal interpretations.

Zackcid · 2014-03-14T03:54:05+00:00

It's still kinda freaks me out the level of contempt, disgust, or even hatred the majority of females have for "creeps". I remember a situation back in high school where a decent-looking girl (with big tits) was told to pair up with these two guys who were at the bottom of the social hierarchy. This bitch fought the teacher and kept saying "I don't want to be with them, no!" and when she couldn't get her way, she stormed out of the classroom maybe teary-eyed.

I can't imagine how it would have felt to be those guys at that moment. To be insulted like that and in front of the entire classroom. To have the awareness that they are probably so worthless that a girl would rather cry and get out of class, than to team up with them.

Meanwhile, this same bitch probably has no issues sharing an alpha male with several other girls. The guy could be physically and emotionally abusing her, while fucking other girls, and she'd still treat him like king and patiently wait for her turn to get jizzed in the face.

HesSoPringles · 2014-03-14T03:01:07+00:00

When these "losers" even just talk to girls there is a high chance they will be labelled a creep, even if they are super nice: They aren't even worthy of eye contact.

I just call women fat, ugly, hairy or whatever they actually are. I also have a hard time maintaining friendships with them, caring about their issues, or generally seeing them as people.

When I talk to my boys: "Fuck no I wouldn't bang her, have you seen that mustache that shit is prominent." This is, by and large, fine. Feminists will get pissed at me for being shallow and vain, and they're totally fucking right and I don't care.

Women do the exact same shit, they just use a more ambiguous word because it sounds less bitchy.

"Fuck no I wouldn't bang him, he's a creep." Totally OK, nobody wants a girl to bang a creep. However, she's a shallow cunt for straight saying she wouldn't bang an ugly dude.

CreepAcceptance · 2014-03-14T02:47:17+00:00

Few things are funnier than calling a girl a creep.

The look on their face is priceless.

MisunderstoodSoup · 2014-03-14T03:13:40+00:00

relevent!

2comment · 2014-03-14T04:20:22+00:00

Feminist language is the language of shaming and victimhood. It's only in the fempire I hear shit like "He eye raped me" and women wearing low cut clothing and then complaining that "My eyes are up here" or "No one takes me seriously!"

Yah, all they are doing is indicating if you're high or low SMV.

PublicallyViewable · 2014-03-14T04:44:28+00:00

women perceive the creeps as the socially retarded guys, the geeks, the out of shape guys, the guys with bad posture, the ugly guys, the poor guys, the unconfident guys.

Oh god. No wonder I've been called a creep. Every single one of those matches me lol.

Kombaiyashii · 2014-03-14T12:57:45+00:00

The threat of spreading the rumour of "Creep" is a tactic women use to manipulate men to fuck them.

I politely turned down this slut on two occassions, then after she bagged my friend, my friend told me she was calling me a creep and he dumped her because of it (good friend).

It seems crazy to me, I'd never call a girl that rejected me a creep. It's about the most opposite thing a creep would do.

So whenever I hear the word, I call them out on it. Why is this person a creep? I've never heard an answer along the lines of "Because he followed me home and now constantly parks outside my house until my father comes out and chases him away."

JGH8763 · 2014-03-14T01:06:46+00:00

There are two types of people. 1 creeps with social skill and status that lets them get away with it. 2. creeps who work and night to hide their creepiness by passive, nice-guy behavior, yet occasionally in a hiss of emotion will let their instincts come through, and because it is incongruent to who they are, they look ridiculous and get shamed.

We are all creeps - we all want to fuck the hot girl, even you happily married motherfuckers. We all would love to be the boss when we are at work, we all want to drive the lambo and fuck the 10s. Except for a few guys who take it way too far (rapists, criminals, etc) all men, alphas and betas, have this same set of desires. There is just a simple dichotomy between those who are socially intelligent and those who aren't.

__ROOSTER__ · 2014-03-13T21:16:24+00:00

Unwanted sexual attention is "creepy" ; wanted sexual attention is awesome. It's not that action it's the actor, and specifically it's the reciever of the attentions opinion of the actor.

Also you and your actions are creepy if you make them that way. Own them and they suddenly aren't creepy.

2014-03-14T03:22:17+00:00

This is why you need a hot wing woman at clubs and good relationships with hot women. Women won't dare to call you a creep if you got a mini fanclub of women on you.

2014-03-14T03:31:49+00:00

"The oblivious male conclusion from this is: I will be extra nice and respect a girls boundaries"

Leading to them to creep out women.

Karen Straughan does a good job explaining why women are literally grossed out by nice guys. Starts around 17min but the whole video is worth watching.

Look out! It's a Nice Guy! DESTROY HIM!!11!: http://youtu.be/a9XDb0nxSO4

Nynx12 · 2014-03-14T03:50:44+00:00

While there are undoubtedly more...malicious motives for labelling a man a creep, here's my experience.

Though I won't necessarily label the man a creep, my instinct tells me to be incredibly wary of literally any man with the following traits:

Physically unattractive
Socially awkward
"Too nice"

The third is in quotations because it's relative and subjective. For example, I expect and welcome a big smile and enthusiastic greeting from say...a man working at a store where I'm purchasing something. The same behaviour from a guy I'm sitting next to on the bus? Creepy.

Any one of these alone is enough to give a man "creep" status; with two or three together it's almost guaranteed.

It doesn't matter if it's founded or unfounded. It doesn't even matter you are able to logically recognise that the man is harmless and has good intentions.

These men make me wary and uncomfortable, and I simply cannot have any other reaction - at least initially. I am here and thus support RP and am anti-feminist; and this is still the case.

Let's consider one thing here: in the early days rape would have simply been a part of life. More so than now and with much more serious consequences. Without contraception it had a very real threat of resulting in pregnancy.

Now let's break down the three main "creep" factors:

Unattractive: bad genes.
Socially awkward: cannot assimilate into a group easily; less likely to have the support of others, high risk of social isolation.
"Too nice": reeks of manipulation. Excessively nice people often want something they know they could not otherwise attain. The main thing men want from women? Sex. The main thing women want from men? Resources. An overly nice man then registers as a man desperate for sex yet unable or unwilling to trade this for his resources.

Once knocked up the only two choices for a woman are;

If he'll take you, settle for the man who raped you
Find another low quality man who will settle for you and is willing to contribute resources to another man's spawn. (I guess you could also somehow terminate the pregnancy but that's not a great option either.)

I believe this thought process still stands today; if on a subconscious level. In order to protect themselves and other females of the group threats must be separated. As women cannot do this physically (being either incapable or unwilling to risk their attractiveness through injury) the best alternative is to openly and publicly shame him.

2014-03-14T05:01:27+00:00

Creeps are forward and self absorbed, but guess what? CREEPS GET LAID. Maybe not by attractive women but certainly more than the 'nice guys' who mock them.

EagleGod · 2014-03-13T21:39:17+00:00

What other words do the sexes use differently? I can think of asshole and bitch.

cashmoney_x · 2014-03-14T17:48:35+00:00

It's a displacement of the "icky" feeling they get when in the presence of these men from being a bi-product of a genetic mismatch to something the man did. It's yet another example of us not understanding our own biology.

Opioidus · 2014-03-14T12:47:51+00:00

What can you learn from a creep? DO. NOT. PERSIST ! Persistence game never works, forget about Hollywood the guy who ''never gives up'' doesn't get the girl, he gets arrested!

pwrfull · 2014-03-14T15:21:25+00:00

That word is a prime example of female jargon. With a definition differing in application to the feminine paradigm, in contrast to the masculine concept.

6TLaRm4g · 2014-03-14T16:27:35+00:00

CF - creep factor

SMV^M - SMV of male as perceived by female

SMV^F - SMV of female as perceived by female

PSF - personal standards factor. For rational female this would be 1.0, meaning she is looking for a male the same value as she (thinks she) is. PSF < 1.0 means she is looking for better than she (thinks she) is (most women).

CF = (SMV^M * PSF) / SMV^F

CF < 1.0 - you're perceived as creep. She's repulsed by you

CF > 1.0 - She's attracted to you.

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butter1rum · 2014-03-14T17:58:15+00:00

I was talking to a nice girl yesterday, she told me about a creep she met recently. I asked her why he was a creep, the answer was "he's just like one those losers you would see in high school", though apparently he was nice.

Personally, I think I would have cut that conversation short.

__ROOSTER__ · 2014-03-13T22:28:48+00:00

I think also it's in the word "creep" I.e. To creep, creeping, etc. it is a person who the person does not want sexual attention from and worse is afraid of sexual attention. In the animal world a person who will try to sneak unwanted sexual contact. This scares women, as it should.

Weird does not equal creepy. There are lots of weird people who are not creepy and creepy people who aren't very weird.

RebootedMale · 2014-03-14T07:52:42+00:00

Calibration is great and essential, but here's the bottom line.

If nobody ever, EVER thinks you are a creep, you are doing it wrong.

If most people think you are a creep, you are also doing it wrong.

watersign · 2014-03-13T23:15:49+00:00

As someone who considers himself a creep (and proud one i might add) this is what my take on it is. A creep is a guy who has low SMV in the eyes of a woman. I've seen guys who are tall and normal looking from what I could tell be called creeps by other girls. My goal is to be a creep when I meet girls and try to get with them. My strategy is usually to come off somewhat normal but be a bit coy and when the time is right, whip out my dick. It works pretty well.

cagethepepper · 2014-03-13T20:54:15+00:00

Creep is a shit test.

Title	What can you learn from a creep?
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Date	March 13, 2014 8:27 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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