Using average girls to start having abundance?

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October 21, 2018

Ok, so being a bit over 6 foot tall and apparently reasonably good looking but with zero game, I could probably easily pick up plenty of lower end girls of 5 or less if we were using number ratings (which I hate doing). I tell myself that that tier of girls aren't actually worth the effort, but I'm not sure if it's just an excuse in my mind or not. At the moment I'm going pretty intensely to the gym and trying to work on a few other side projects when not at work but I'm definitely putting any sort of game or approaches by the wayside.

Assuming I could get a few if I tried is there actually any benefit to fucking a lot of lower tier girls? I'm not seeing myself magically 'leveling up' by doing this. And without any game, any that I do get will be so desperate or in awe of my higher-than-theirs SMV that I don't learn or grow from the experience surely. Like congratulations I fucked a fatty, at least I get to redeem 1/10th of that experience towards a blonde bombshell? Nah.

I don't feel desperate to have sex at any cost as such, but interested in your thoughts.

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Title Using average girls to start having abundance?
Author DrBalance
Upvotes 71
Comments 57
Date 21 October 2018 10:21 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]_PM_ME_YOUR_GOALS_ 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

If anything, 5s are harder. They’re insecure and some of them channel that into aggression and generally unwelcoming energy.

If a girl knows she’s out of your league then she has more reasons to doubt your motives, meaning more shit tests.

If it gives you more confidence to start with them though, have at it.

[–]bbcbarbarossa 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

What if you don't know that you're so ugly that 5s are not giving you shit because they're autorejecting but because they're legit rejecting.

[–]VolatileEnemy12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are lots of 5s, 4s out there who think they deserve as much and as good a guy as the 7s, 8s, 9s.

So my suggestion to everyone is, "at a minimum only go for 6s", the more 6s the better. To me, that's any girl who's thin and looks average or better looking but a bit fat.

Average, above-average, that's what you should aim for unless you really know you are a fatty then just go monk mode, being alone is better than practicing on terrible people.

No one can explain to me why that one 5 rejected me (despite genuine intentions and decent date), while the HB7 or HB8 did not. But it really made me think I was unworthy for a while until I had better success with better girls. So it's just not worth the trouble. You're better off taking a year to improve yourself.

If a girl is fat, you are better off not going for her. Sometimes I think, don't be too afraid or upset about being alone. Don't waste time with shitty girls, or even hot girls who treat you badly or are abusive in relationship. Don't even bother. Don't let your dick drive you.

There are lots of average looking guys dating and/or married happily to average looking girls. Just remember it's relative between the partners. Don't try to always shoot for the moon, and don't shoot way lower than yourself, its' not worth it. Shoot for something a little better than you or about equal or a little less than you.

[–]Zanford1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is my experience too. If you're slumming it a bit, the girl can smell that she's not a serious LTR prospect for you, and will have lots more ASD and a chip on her shoulder. She'll be more jealous and nosy about what you're doing with your time when not with her.

[–]CaptainBW0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

When you say “when she knows she’s out of your league” are you meaning she’s higher in smv or he is? The phrase makes me think the latter

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

He is talking about the guy being out of the girl's league. When your smv is significantly higher than the girl, she will put up a bit more resistance than normal. They will literally say things like "you're so hot, why are you talking to me?" and stuff like that. You can still run normal game, but you will get weird shit tests like that. I just ignore those, because when I agree and amplify that particular type it never feels right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The latter

[–]lachstocknbarrel48 points49 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s exactly what I’ve been doing haha, honestly it’s a great way to get experience trying game around women even if you don’t want to sleep with them. It’s helped me tremendously so far.

[–]chomponthebit37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy

“They want it just as bad as you do.” - Father of a Buddy (who gave me wise words of advice)

[–]bigkids39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy

Father of a Buddy

That dude fucks

[–]chomponthebit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]IVIaskerade32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy


If you know you can get your dick wet, then all that's in question is the girl who's going to do it, which is a far more abundant mentality than "will it happen at all?"

[–]inspiredshane22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s only ever one solution man: work on yourself.

If you think having meaningless sex with a bunch of girls you aren’t actually into will help you do that, then by all means. But likely, what you really need is great sex with a lot of girls you ARE into.

If you cannot land girls you are into yet, then there’s only ever one solution man: work on yourself.

[–]ChadFromColumbus8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. If nothing else it should improve your dick game, so when you do land a 7+ she’ll be more likely to stick around.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It will show you a few things. Firstly, the way these lower SMV chicks treat you is how you should have higher SMV chicks treat you when you get there. Secondly, you can improve your physical sex skills and be experimentative in a way you could not or wouldn't be comfortable if you felt there was something to lose. Third, abundance is abundance and you'll be less apt to put up with shit from others.

[–]Psychological_Radish16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think it's going to help with abundance. A 5 is nothing compared to an HB8 and you know it. Moreover, it's bad for your reputation to fuck fatties and uggos.

Nowadays I only fuck girls who are HB7+. A 7 is generally pretty enough to retain my sexual interest even in the face of a hotter girl, so I can interact with the latter from a position of strength.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is how I got to abundance. I took what I could get at the time. I kept a bench of four to five girls and just replaced them with hotter ones as they came along. It didnt happen over night. It took about a year and a half before I had a nice stable of hot girls. Girls can't really tell if another girl is attractive or not, unless she is obviously ugly by the way. They use context clues to figure out if another girl is hot or not. Just having girls around you brings other ones.

All that being said, if I'm super horny and there arent any better girls out that night, I will still throw some dick at a 5 sometimes, but most of the time I dont go below a 7 these days.

[–]omega_dawg9313 points14 points  (13 children) | Copy

  1. blonds are overrated and have waaay too much power over guys. it's like their hair color combined with big tits and a smile and guys lose all their game, get stupid, and give-in to their "bombshell," as you call it. stop it with the blond obsession... too much hair dye is being sold.
  2. a woman's appearance has no impact on her 'quality.' for example, i'll take a less hypergamous, average-looking, not-as-fine but DOWN TO EARTH woman over some over made-up, bitchy 'princess' or bombshell any day. you'll get used to her looks... but you'll never get used to her ability to give you a big headache.
  3. girls like to fuck. don't ever regulate your ability to get pussy by waiting to fuck some special unicorn that looks a certain way. if you're plating broads, seek an assortment. my MO has always been to have a few SOLID fucks on the team... just in-case my better looking regulars aren't available. i keep 5 -6 women in rotation; if i go 3 days without pussy, i'm failing, but that's my way. when i'm in an LTR, i still keep one or two very discreet women on the roster; they help me keep my game sharp.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock[🍰] 12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

Nah. If a girl is rollin' with me, she's gotta be as good lookin as I am. Ain't no average chick clingin to my arm, have my time, and some of my money. Average is for on the DL bangs.

[–]Thizzlebot5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Average is for on the DL bangs.

This is the key. Public is for showing off.

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

good for you.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock[🍰] 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Have standards. LTR is a part of your image.

[–]omega_dawg934 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

looks are not the only measure of standards.

the presumption of innocence, purity, morals etc based on good looks is a recipe for disaster.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You start with women with the appropriate looks, then filter from there.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

she attracts me with her looks...i filter based on character (personality & attitude).

if she doesn't have the proper personality or attitude for what i expect, her looks don't matter.

ever seen one without all that fake-up and clothes tricks?!?

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If she doesnt look good without make up she never was.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

tell yours not to wear it and post the responses.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The blonde thing was just an example, I don't really have a 'type'. But I get the message.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

understood but based on comments on reddit, in porn, and esp. from my friends, all a woman has to be is blond with big tits + a cute face and NONE of the game principles apply; guys just get into a 'fog' and get all choked-up and fall EASILY into the woman's frame.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This guy knows wassup 👌

[–]omega_dawg937 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

the number 1 mistake guys make is not gaming women when they have a woman.

you don't use your skills, you will lose your skills.

you don't have to cheat on your girl but you can flirt, engage in small talk, learn to read body language, or simply practice cold approaching.

don't feel guilty about it either bc i can bet your girl is getting approached by other guys... some of them she prolly finds attractive... and may give up some play.

[–]cafeitalia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just because you are 6" does not mean you will be able to pick the 5s and make them plates.

[–]Thizzlebot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would say it depends. If they are moderately attractive and and don't cause any drama go for it. I banged a chick the other day way older than me but she was in good shape, great tits and didn't give me any shit tests at any point. It was really fun. Obviously I wouldn't deal with an ounce of bullshit but she was hot, it was fun and now I give off that aura of being fucked. Trust me girls can smell it.

TLDR Go for it but don't put up with any bullshit or shit tests

[–]821sleepingbag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You might feel like you don’t magically levelling up.

But man I went from kissing pretty average girls to regularly banging a model.

Trust the process, have a growth mentality. Always get better and have confidence that you can achieve your goals.

[–]Framexemplary1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had a phase after discovering TRP where I just went with some lower SMV women. Some of them were actually cool chicks and could look after me pretty well. Some of them were mentally just as low. But I soon learned that if I didn't hold myself in a higher regard then I couldn't get with quality women.

Just work on being a cool motherfucker and believe any woman would be blessed to experience a night with you.

You are constantly working on yourself, while these women you consider so hot are just given a good set of genes. In ten years they will all be post wall and you will still be growing.
A big part of TRP is not to put too much emphasis on 'GAME' you need to cover the basis of human interactions and male female relations. So there will be some game/TRP overlap, stuff like maintaining eye contact and keeping frame.
A very important aspect of TRP is that you hold yourself in high regard and allow women's hamster to work in your favor. Just believe in yourself, as corny as that is, and maintain you are the prize.

Go after women you think are hot because they will employ the full conviction of your maleness. you will step up with your whole being, but don't get rocked by they're hotness. You are still doing them the favor.

Your frame could be something like 'Ya you're hot. Hopefully you're a decent woman worthy of my attention'

[–]dave_is_not_here1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. You’re only consideration is “do I want to be seen with this girl?” If she’s so unattractive or socially out of bounds that your answer is “yes,” then just fuck her at her place and park down the block. Any (clean) pussy is good pussy and will help you to establish a mindset of abundance. Also, ugly girls with lots of better looking friends are gold: fuck them good enough and they’ll be compelled to tell their friends, who will then all suddenly become interested in you.

You have to start on the bottom rung.

[–]Zanford1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can work your way up the scale to build confidence and game practice, yes.


Being seen with a plain jain may be negative preselection to a hotter girl. 1 point lower is probably still positive preselection (albeit much milder that if the girl already on your arm were hotter, obv), 2 lower is neutral or maybe negative, 3+ is very negative.

Make sure you're still chasing girls you actually find attractive and physically want to bang. They should pass the boner test and it should be able to the love of the game, not ego / notch count.

[–]DebonairD4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Low tier girls can still help you sharpen your game. Despite the small, minor differences; they’re ALL bitches

[–]martian9410 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Johnnadawearsglasses29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women aren’t bitches. They are what they are. As are we. Read the sidebar.

[–]As-You-Were1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Aim for 7s settle for 5s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good plan.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I occasionally smash sub7 material and even have a consistent plate or two that bring other things to the table but are otherwise just OK.

HOWEVER - these girls aren't my date to Galas, don't come with me to weddings, and would never be seen with me in VIP. They come to my house or we hit whatever spots.

Preselection works both ways, don't let it take points off your SMV

[–]lordkingalpha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Truth is IRL pull is easier with hb8s and up because many guys don't have balls to go up too them. Example : I had a acting audition and I was sitting in the lobby, these two girls who couldn't keep there eyes off me one even had a fucking bf with her lmao but they are both hb8s right so one tells me I'm next in line or whatever all I say is "cool" they both laugh and smile at me. The one girls bf pulled her closed and was like what you like him and looked backed at me I stared him straight in the eyes and smiled he didn't say shit just looked away but anyway I got both there numbers, fucked them both.

Moral of the story : go after the hb8s and up ones for abundance.

[–]newbie3hunna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you have to mentally rank all girls by their value as a sex object any girl of value will sniff that shit out and destroy you. Just meet cool girls you think are cute and have fun. People will like your good vibes and want to join in.

[–]blacktao0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This can work. The girls must have a prominent 8/10 feature though like a fat ass 😃

[–]thisismybot10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd recommend it. You'll start to feel less desperate and you'll be able to focus on improving yourself. If you go on a dry spell for too long you'll start to feel deprived and won't be able to think about shit that actually matters.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Assuming I could get a few if I tried is there actually any benefit to fucking a lot of lower tier girls?

Not "a lot", but enough that you're having regular sex. Then work towards getting better, but without pedastalling hot girls.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

painful lesson I learned, but one that I’ve valued as well.

i’m about a 6/10, but strong game. I had a date set up with this girl I met on tinder and she was easily a 9/10 if not more. but my epic game didn’t work on her, in fact she said aite calmly “ you’ve got to have a big dick if you’re gonna play the big dick game”

she hadn’t seen my dick yet. her metaphor was poking at something deeper: high SMV girls arent dumb, and strong game with them will only work about as well as a fat chick putting on make up and doing her nails for you.

TRP gives you reach. but it’s not going to work magic and defy certain laws of gravity. you can make a girl laugh her head off and think you’re super funny and charismatic and be the most confident guy in the room and still she will relegate you as an orbiter if you haven’t raised your own SMV something close to hers. despite what some of the classic PUAs claim. that is reality. always keep improving yourself (read: lift and read) if you want to land those high SMV girls.

edit: this happened about three months ago.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's just immoral man. Only have to read the title to know that you're a complete asshole.

don't feel desperate to have sex at any cost as such

Hypocritical, too, because if this was true you wouldn't consider settling.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post, did you come to the wrong sub? I don't think there's anything morally wrong with sleeping with anyone who's willing to do it with me, if I'm not lying about my intentions that is. If I act like a baby crazy cuck to get one night of sex that would be bad, but if it's a Tinder girl that's more cute than stunning, well she still gets what she wants?

I currently don't go out of my way because I don't know if it's worth the time and effort, the reason I would do it is it it helps me grow as a person in some way. The concensus seems to mostly be yes, as long as they aren't so low tier that I lower my own status.

[–]TheRedPillMonkey37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

If your smv isn't high enough to get HB8's, It will help with game and abundance. But careful you're not just being a lazy fuck and throwing in the towel.

If all you do is fuck under HB5, then your smv stays low. Your social proof is you only can get fat hogs and higher hb girls will want nothing to do with you. Your best bet is to fuck a few on the dl just to keep your confidence up and skills sharp. Even the top chefs of the world grab a McDonalds burger from time to time, even though they have no problem getting the good stuff.

Always continue to game hbs and always be improving.

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