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[–]So_Forlorn 195 points196 points197 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Nice
[–]JoshiStitic 76 points77 points78 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I like how this is the only comment on that monstrous post
[–]Marachuga 36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s sums up nicely how I feel about it
[–]Reaver_ 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This "monstrous post" is infinitely better than the abundance of shitty "Let me ask the same question that's been covered a hundred times in a hundred different ways on this sub but refuse to take five minutes to read through the top posts to easily get my question answered" kind of posts this sub gets all the time. Let OP have his "Nice", don't be a dick about it.
[–]JoshiStitic 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro not insulting the comment just find it funny that the only comment on the entire thing, which I read, was ‘nice’, like nobody had anything useful to say lmao
[–]BPYCKorea 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How would you have preferred I formatted it. I was kinda goin off top of the dome.
[–]Marachuga 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don’t over think it man, you’re a pretty good writer.
[–]BPYCKorea 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you
[–]guapo5oh 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Couldn’t have said it better
[–]ti_ne_si_fe 44 points45 points46 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I like the assertive style with the texts "Hey we both like each other let's get it on"
[–][deleted] 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
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[–]ti_ne_si_fe 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Don't know the reference, mode one ?
[–][deleted] 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Valyarian 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How many times did you get to apply this strategy?
[–]Valyarian 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
how often would you say this works?
[–][deleted] 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Valyarian 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Might need to check this out.
So this book helps with Vocal tonality and fixing your speech?
[–]iAmKilSmil 35 points36 points37 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why do you think she kept resisting?
[–]shiloh990 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was resisting because if she responded too quickly to his advances, he might think she was “easy” and she didn’t want him to think that about her, but she still wanted to sleep with him. It’s a whole different landscape on the girls side. Most of us have been raised to believe that’s not how nice girls behave, but believe me, nice girls want sex too.
[–]coanouser 71 points72 points73 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She wasn't completely sure about the idea. O.P. know when to push and when stop, he did good.
[–]cameheretorepost 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like this
[–]Marachuga 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because it’s a build up, gets them going!
[–][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]dirty_mirror 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please stop.
[–]ZlatanAgrees 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Damn well done ma boi.
[–]BPYCKorea 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man, that was definitely a first for me, how fast it was... I've had same week before but never same day lol
[–]ZlatanAgrees 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
One day i will get this too i hope haha
[–]BPYCKorea 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You will man, on the real, read mode one, it will change your whole perception of pua. Mindset is the biggest hurdle in regards to male-female dynamics
[–]Tesla_UI 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link
I’m assuming this is in Korea. OP, if you don’t mind sharing, are you a white guy there or of Korean descent?
[–]BPYCKorea 47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link
Lol I see where you goin with that but there's plenty of korean girls that say no to me. I'm black american and yeah this is in korea. My complexion definitely is a downside in Korea too bro, the only advantage is the newness factor, and the black dude sexual stereotype.
[–]Tesla_UI 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh snap, dude I totally did not expect that. Extra congrats are in order then, I know how things are out there. Thanks for sharing. Keep slaying man. 👏
[–]BPYCKorea 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll try lol thx
[–]Lagstravaganza 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Forgive my ignorance, but coronavirus isolation is over in Korea?
[–]BPYCKorea 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
For the koreans it's over for the most part but the us military still has restrictions/quarantine.
[–]xfyre101 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
are you in the us military?
Yeah I am
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Woah bro, This story hits too close to home! I’m also in Korea. You did this in 이태원? I’ve had a lot of success with tinder and bumble here but cold approaching still can’t do 아직 못해요 👎
Do you speak Korean? I would imagine that makes a big difference, but I’m in Hongdae and not Itaewon so
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I couldn't find your reply lol, I'm in pyeongtaek. With how long I've been here it's honestly embarrassing I don't know the language.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I don’t either, but the writing system is really damn easy. The symbols look hard but you can learn it in like 1 afternoon. After that just learning the absolute most basic phrases is easy enough. FYI I don’t speak korean at all, but knowing how to ask if they speak English or get their kakao is mostly enough haha. Still, I haven’t cold approached here yet so well done for that. I’m way too intimidated.
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I took up to elementary 2 Korean at the local university sponsored by the military but that was like in 2017 lol...suffice to say I stopped. Man I barely cold approach as is, and the girl came over last night too. I broke up with my ex a couple weeks ago, mostly because I wanted to sleep with other women but since this girl might be a regular thing, I think I'm falling back into my old routine. There's this other girl I'm talking to as well but if the girl from the story come see me regularly, she says she's coming over tonight too, I don't have the motivation to keep pursuing the other one.
I'm lazy bro lol. I'm still intimidated too
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Haha our situations aren’t so different then. Clearly you were a good lay. I also struggle to hold a relationship when there’s many other women I wanna try it with. But the path of least resistance is often women I already know... :( I’m leaving Korea soon.
[–]BPYCKorea 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah the many women thing is an issue isn't it lol. I don't think I'm a horndog, I mean yeah I'd like to sleep with many women but I don't have the energy to keep doing that, hell I think I'mma tell her not to come tonight, I'm not used to this much sex so soon. She really likes to fuck... I'm like damn can we stop lol. That's true, the path of least resistance and that's where I've been trying but no success really. Been messing up mode one for awhile now actually.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Hahaha that’s awesome man. Curious af about how it plays out for you lol.
Swear I’m not trying to brag but I literally ended up ghosting so many hot girls because bumble / tinder is way too much right now. Overwhelming and stressful. Foreigners are in demand now I’d say - since the lack of tourists most likely. Take advantage of it my dude haha... yeah, I’m a bit of a ‘horndog’, but I am young after all.
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand, who are you ghosting, online dating is that good for you? Sucks you're leaving Korea haha
[–]bruhmomentbruhhhbrug 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Are you suggesting the white guy advantage thing ?
[–]Tesla_UI 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yep
[–]bruhmomentbruhhhbrug 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How do you know haha
[–]Tesla_UI 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s pretty well documented. East Asian girls generally never get with foreigners unless they’re white.
[–]bruhmomentbruhhhbrug 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t disagree, just curious what you saw
[+]jimmybanana -12 points-11 points-10 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Doesn’t matter what race he is. The dude got pussy on the first day. Christ, stop trying to reinforce your own insecurities (becoz that’s what you’re really asking) and be happy for the man.
[–]Tesla_UI 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I’m just curious of what the scene is in Korea. We rarely hear about field reports from other countries. FYI, I’m neither white nor Korean. And I am happy for him!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I’m also in Korea. Scene is great. Girls here are 90% slim, with a rapidly growing trend of girls doing squats and working out their ass. The standard of girls here is incredible. But they can be pretty fucking insane once you get to know them haha
[–]Tesla_UI 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That’s awesome. Is casual sex pretty common there? I found that kinda surprising tbh, at the risk of sounding ignorant.
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, among the western thinking girls, they're mostly in the big cities of course.
[–]Tesla_UI 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s awesome! Thanks
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh it’s not ignorant. You wouldn’t really expect it. Casual sex is actually a taboo topic in public conversations but in private anything goes. There’s different ways they get around that problem.
Big one they do is that they start and end relationship in a matter of days as an excuse to hook up (this shocked me, its literally standard to have 6-7 boyfriends that you fucked by the time you are 19).
But as for hookups with foreigners, maybe using dating apps or go to clubs in Itaewon (foreigner area) specifically for that reason. Why? Korean society is generally one big serving of FOMO. Almost every korean girl I’ve met has mentioned they at least went to ‘try’ having a foreign boyfriend (hook up). All my korean ex gf’s friends immediately asked about my body and the sex and said they were desperate to try with a foreigner. Not just any foreigner though, you still have to be sexy and seductive. They actually aren’t that easy... they have high standards.
TLDR; Korean girls wanna sleep around, and they wanna do it a lot, conservative society won’t stop them
[–]Tesla_UI 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That is fascinating! Thanks very much for sharing. I can see how they’d have high standards. Not that it matters to me either way - as a person of color, I know my chances out there are infinitesimal to none. So I make do by satisfying my curiosity of how young people in traditionally conservative cultures are evolving socially in this day and age.
Another question, so if it hasn’t seeped into the public conversations there yet, is it difficult for people to source condoms and birth control?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh no, there’s condoms at most convenience stores. You know, there are motels everywhere where couples can go for a 2hour ‘’rest’’, or room cafes etc. Usually condoms are provided there too.
As for birth control I’m not sure but you can get it for sure. I never asked.
As for being a person of colour yes to an extent that’s true but which type of colour depends a lot. Actually the younger generation are much more open minded then you’d think in terms of who they are attracted to, I’m absolutely sure a great deal of young Korean girls could date a black man for example. The times are changing thanks to the internet and increasingly progressive cultures in the west having an effect. Also, well, Thick lips seem to be a popular feature haha.
Very interesting. Makes sense. Glad to hear about how progressive they are there now. That is encouraging. Lmao I’m dying at the thick lips. Thank you man, really appreciate the insights!
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where are you in Korea, I'm in pyeongtaek?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah I’m near 홍대 (Hongdae)! Loving it
[–]xxslaying 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Your a fukin god mate, I couldn’t think of anything you could have done better. How experienced are you in the game of seduction, cuz that was awesome
[–]BPYCKorea 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Man I could've been more direct, that's a personal thing moreso than game though. That's what mode one is all about, upfront and straightforward honesty with your intentions. Unfortunately I have to admit I was mode two(conventional pua) so I'm disappointed in myself with that. In regards to regular pua mistakes, maybe have the confidence to approach her the first time across the street rather than inside the coffee shop, that was AA for me. I still have issues with conversation and topics to think of. I think of napolean hill's "how to win friends and influence people" when he says to get people talking about themselves, so that's kinda what I did, asked open ended and situational questions. I'm more of an urkel or carlton type of black guy so I don't ooze that coolness factor or I at least lose it after the first impression when I start talking and people get to know me lol.
[–]Payamux 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Don't you think if you asked her out right out of the gate she would have said no ? When you took the hour to get to know her and she saw that you were funny/pleasant (you had inside jokes already) she was more inclined to accept your invitation.
[–]BPYCKorea 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps but ARC says if your specific intent is sexual you should come out the gate with that, no need to go on dates get to know each other type of stuff. You should have the confidence, masculinity, and verbal game to overcome her objections. He advocates directness not so much to sleep with women as fast as possible but to find out and leave alone the women that aren't interested. My story with this girl worked out in my favor, but he references the many number of men who invite women to their place only to find out the woman wasn't interested in them like that. He seeks to avoid that and I agree wholeheartedly. I wasn't direct with her sure, but I like to think the vibe I was giving off plus the context of my msgs was indication enough of wanting a physical relationship. Still not proud of that, but hey it worked out.
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[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the thing, you don't have to be so explicit, perhaps you want to go out on a date with her, you can tell her that. Mode one is merely about not hiding your true intentions. Many men would hide intentions under the facade of friendship or false relationship, that's what he's against. The lying and manipulation.
[–]owbdvgjnsl 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Legend
[–]BPYCKorea 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Naw just right place right time, remember I was too scared to approach her before we went inside the coffee shop, if she and her friend never went inside the shop, I would've never met her and been able to do what I did. I need to work on confidence.
[–]owbdvgjnsl 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I like the accountability you're right. Divine invention had to step in next time you take control.
[–]BPYCKorea 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that's the hurdle right there, confidence.
[–]Vallerta21 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You ate her out without her washing first? Savage
[–]BPYCKorea 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Naw the savage part is that I met her that day, I'm a dirty muhhfugga lol...I know, but koreans tend to be pretty clean. Granted I didn't know this beforehand, but I coulda swore there was a faint sweet taste. Overall I wasn't opposed, I've come across some pretty foul pussies in my past. This was def top 3 of best tasting pussies I've had 😂😂😂
[–]Axelrom94 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've been there bro, don't sweat it. Plenty of people eat out/blow their SO after a work out or at the end of the day without chiseling themselves off. The shock factor here was the idea that you don't actually know her that well, but that's also not out of the ordinary if we're being honest. Congrats on the home run, it was a good read.
Thanks man, I know the pua policy is not to eat the pussy first day but in the heat of the moment, plus we expect the girl to suck us off...I don't see many drawbacks if the girl is with it. Sure, there's a power struggle if she doesn't reciprocate but that wasn't the case here.
[–]Vallerta21 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Oh, so you're in Korea?
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, does that change things?
[–]Vallerta21 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'd say so. Girls are easier in Asia in my experience. Whole different world. They aren't stuck up like ones in America
[–]Tesla_UI 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? I thought it was the opposite.
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But in the very same story I mentioned the cocos waitress and that was a rejection. Where's the easiness?
[–]Imperator_Pyra 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh shit, someone else here knows about Alan Roger Currie and 60YOC?
AND used that stuff to get a same day lay?
Beyond awesome.
Oh snap that's awesome but unfortunately I was mode two. For 60, it was mostly the assuming attraction, plus I did his milk the intro bit.
So I guess I was more 60 than ARC.
[–]PhantomLegend616 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So how did you learn game?
Well as I mentioned in the first paragraph, I'm an advocate of mode one and 60 years of challenge, moreso mode one. I know paul janka's stuff too, downloaded his beyond the digits seminar. I got into game from vh1s pickup artist so I was real big on mystery method, then evolved to where I am now. But tbh idk how good my game is, I just left a 3 year off and on relationship so I'm a bit rusty.
well done
[–]BurnablesOnMondays 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nice. Wish I could pull this off in Tokyo. Everyone is so cold and scared of strangers the moment you approach someone outside of a bar/club/alcohol context you freak them out.
Thanks, go to the foreigner spots or closer to military bases... that's where I am so we already have that social proof in the community.
[–]axe122 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Two things for anyone who’s unsure of shit test in my opinion a shit test is only a shit test when you let her knock off center. When o.p. Said “hit me up when your done with your friend I know wanted to be w it’s me more and she replied “ why you think that?” Then o.p. Replied “Because it’s true it’s okay I wanna see you too” Had he got nervous or backed off he woulda failed a shit test. This is a minor one cuz if he backed off it probably wouldn’t have completely ruined it for him all together but woulda probably killed her coming over that night. A conversational shit test is only really a shit test when you fail it otherwise is kinda part of the conversation. This is obvious I’m sure to a lot of guys but I see a lot of inexperienced guys having a skewed or negative view of her shit testing them. It’s the little things that add up to be a big thing. I like how you also took responsibility for liking her as well in this particular situation. Normally I would suggest remaining indifferently interested which may have still worked but I thought that line helped in this particular situation. It’s always a risk letting the girl leave but based on the friend it sounds like that was the best solution. Just leave her wanting more and if she comes over later cool if not you’ll see and bang her when your both free. The only thing that o.p. Could do better would be to come up with a good reason to get them to come over for the ones who need a little more plausible deniability. I liked the whole thing though.
A trick I learned for any inexperienced guys. If your tryna find out if a girls ready and your unsure hold her right hand her it’s yours while sitting next with. Your arm around her. (First note don’t let her sit on the other side of the couch, sit down first and tell her to sit with you. She’s not there to not sit with you but is probably more nervous than you are. If you let her sit away from you you’ll waste a bunch of time tryna inch your way closer to her. Next time just tell her in a warm confidant tone to sit next to you) make sit with your arm around her. I’ve never had a girl who was interested in me sexually not sit with me when I told her to once. Anyway take her right hand with your right hand then switch the way you hold it as if your having a thumb war. Don’t try to pin her thumb just circle it around hers gently and change the speeds from slow to medium to slow. Then stop and reverse direction and do the same thing. Then reverse again. She may try to change the direction herself but don’t go with it. You control the direction things go. If she goes with what your doing I would say you have a 95% chance she’s ready to sleep with you. Just assume she still needs you to go slow, and follow two steps forward one step back rule if she does say no don’t get upset or react negatively just say “I’m in no rush” in a way that conveys you know you’ll get there sooner than later and you know you’ll get her as well you’ve been there before and will get there again so it’s no big deal. Go back to whatever you were doing for a bit then suggest that you gotta go. Leave her wanting more and sometimes she’ll change her mind right on the spot. Either way your not gettin h laid so why make your blue balls even worse, just leave her wanting more and go home. Then follow your normal dating strategy.
Think of the thumb thing as a non verbal compliance test. When she tries to change the direction things are spinning think of it as a non verbal shit test. If your inexperienced this could really help especially if you need that boost of confidence to make the move and really go for it.
Assume if she’s going with your thumbs she’s ready and if she isn’t (I’ve personally never once experienced a no from a girl who did that) then just be patient say “I’m in no rush” and act like you know you’ll get there eventually it’s only a matter of time.
O.p. Awesome! So many guys stuck in geeking out over theory and shit. It’s nice seeing a guy put stuff into practice take a chance and get laid.
[–]BPYCKorea 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Hey!!!! Your post made me realize I forgot to bring that up. It happened just as you said. I put the movie on and she tried to sit near the end. I told her to come over to me, we're watchin the movie together. I held her hand and everything you suggested but I was following 60YOC with that, he says hand holding/caressing is the true test if she likes you or not, so if she lets you do it, her subconscious is making that flip.
[–]axe122 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
What’s 60 yoc? Yeah that telling her to sit with you is huge. I made that mistake in my teens with first few girls. Basically wasted so much time trying to just get next to her instead of getting her naked. I liked the way you passed that shit test she threw at you. Zero fear, it’s like the “why? Cuz I said so” kind of attitude. The only thing I would suggest would be to come up with a good reason for her to come over for the girls who are a little more worried about being a slut or a little lower interest. If you play an instrument is huge cuz she has to go to your house to see it. I have her play the instrument with me and make a move. Sometimes I just invite them to watch a movie but some girls are gonna want more plausible deniability than the one you hooked up with so it’s good to have the option to give them.
I liked every step you took with this girl and I thought it was all solid. The first ones the hardest.
I wrote the details on telling her where to sit and all cuZ this stuff helps guys who are really struggling. Your post was all solid so I figured I’d add a few details to help assist any beginners reading.
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man, I'll definitely pick your brain sometime.
[–]axe122 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
What’s 60 yoc?
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
60 years of challenge was a pua back in day on the old masf forums. He was known as the king of subcommunication. That's where I got the hand holding/caressing idea from and to assume attraction. He has a lot of good material on non-verbals, that plus mode one should be a dangerous combo for any pua lol.
[–]axe122 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I’m aware of most game techniques and learned this stuff the hard way from trial and error over years of of success and failure. I thought game was bullshit until I realized most of the stuff I was doing that worked was stuff that was labeled and named. In my opinion the hardest part about learning game with no prior knowledge of it or little experience would be learning to implement it one technique at a time cuz it’s a lot of info. I could easily see being stuck in my head learning from scratch. I like to start with th false time constraint, run a push pull based on a question I ask about whatever I wanna do when we hang out, then i tell a bullshit story I make up that grabs her attention and typically use humors as my dhv along wi th my overall cocky playful personality and banter. Then I’ll set the date and set up a phone call to qualify her before we actually meet up (assuming I couldn’t do an insta date) now I have a non needy reason to call her the day before the date we made and I can’t remember the last time I’ve been flaked on. I didn’t know what I was doing had names to it and all that but once I learned “game techniques” and theory I thought it was interesting that most of stuff I had learned was stuff guys already laid out. I have a bunch of little things I figured out over the years and I think the simpler you can keep your game the better. In my opinion outer game is just systematic flirting to get positive feedback for guys who never learned to flirt in their developmental years.
The inner game is what’s more important to build and outer game feeds the inner game.
I’m always interested to learning some new perspectives on the stuff as long as it follows the same principles as what I’ve learned so far. What I mean by that is any “game” or strategy that follows mainstream media or TV movie style dating I have zero interest in it. Even if it works I believe it’s smarter to stick with one basic set of principles that actually work and learn new stuff that follow them.
There’s a million ways to successfully date but when stuff starts contradicting other stuff it can be confusing. As long as it follows the basic principles it’s just a matter or chance. It’s like betting if you have 50/50 odds I prefer to pick one side and stick with it so I don’t get that fear of loss from chasing the other side when you lose. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose the girl but I played my game and dont feel I could’ve made a better decision. Instead I try to play a tighter game so I don’t get to the point where I’m at a 50/50 decision with a girl and she just wants me.
I like the way you think...our paths were drastically different lol
[–]axe122 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How so? Your mean our appearance or the way we learned our game?
Moreso how we learned game.
[–]axe122 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What’s mode one?
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Alan Roger Currie is the author of mode one which is basically a book that heavily advocates a direct approach, like 1st 3 to 5 minutes in the 1st conversation direct, but he has a whole philosophy regarding it and it 100% makes sense when you read it, you may not choose to be mode one, but you'd be hard pressed to find objections. My story with the girl was textbook mode 2(conventional pua) and although I was successful, I still wished I was mode one.
I prefer indirect within first 5 or at least until I’ve ran a push pull and a dhv then I’m pretty clear when I’m making out with her or setting a date. I just don’t ever let her know how interested. There’s a million ways to do things I find being indifferently interested is the best strategy based on my personality type and all.
So I may in the moment be clear that I know she wants me and I want her but for anything in future I speak in ifs and maybes. If we decide to see each other again maybe we’ll go out. I feel like I always act like I know for sure she wants me and I’ll straight up tell her that and a lot of times when she says you like me too I’ll reply with something like “your alright” but I say it in a way that’s like I’m obviously joking and like you since I’m laughing about it but not directly saying it seems to have a good effect on women. Especially in the beginning, even if I’m with a girl long term I still make it a challenge and sometime I’ll straight up tell them I like them then sometimes I give her shit or make it a challenge for her. Girls love a guy who’s a challenge and that especially goes for maintaining interest. It’s important to remain the guy she liked in the beginning. Even when I like a girl I don’t ever let her know exactly how much. It’s that indifferently interested that works really well for me. I’m curious about your style but I find it’s best to pick one strategy and. Stick with it cuz there’s a million ways to succeed with women and so many things contradict eachother. I don’t know exactly how you would teach strong silent type and have the guy be a chick magnet but then guys as naturals exist and do great with women without saying anything.
Im curious about yours as well...but his books has changed my thinking so much idk if I can ever be truly ok with being mode two again, case in point how I feel right now, disappointment.
[–]adambrukirer 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
nice lol. What's AA? Also, do you speak Korean?
Approach anxiety. And I speak a little, not enough to have a conversation so that wasn't a DHV... when I'm fluent I'm sure that'll help me dramatically.
[–]adambrukirer 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Can I ask how you ended up in Korea, and what it's like there as an English speaker? Sounds like a dream to live in Korea honestly..
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Korea is a pretty amazing place, I won't lie. Im military stationed here though, not english teacher.
[–]adambrukirer 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
oh shit, i see. thank you
Np
[–]BlackBirdG 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Another student of Mode One, salute.
That's why I'm disappointed in myself bro lol
[–]BlackBirdG 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I feel you. Practice makes perfect.
Now are you only Mode One irl or online too?
There's this girl I'm talking to and we're very explicit, but I've never said these things face to face or over the phone. I'm calling her this week and try over the phone...hella nervous, it's funny because she has this totally different impression of me thru text because I be sweatin bullets irl lol. So to answer your question, no, I've only been mode 2 with women face to face 🙁🙁
[–]BlackBirdG 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I've been Mode One in both instances.
Try to build it up so you're Mode One in both real life and online or.else it won't be authentic and that defeats the whole purpose of Mode One like ARC would say.
That's exactly right, are you on his patreon? I ask him questions from time to time.
[–]BlackBirdG 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yup I am
That's awesome...i dl a couple of YouTube videos that resonate with me and listen to them often.
[–]deonguoiviet 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is what I want to see, I can learn from this.
OP! INCLUDE MORE OF YOUR METHODS AND LINES.
Most definitely...I'll beef it up I suppose but there's a comment that did a pretty in depth analysis of what beginners could do, unknowingly I did pretty much all his suggestions that night.
[–]Aabbppll 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Off topic but is it possible to fly in korea right now? Online infos are not very clear
You can but there's a 2 week quarantine period i think.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Awesome man, super happy for you. Sounds like a fun night.
-Andy
Thanks man, it was except for not really being mode one, that was kinda getting to me.
[–]Dominus-Prime- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Every move you made she resisted. This isn’t seduction. Seduction is about making her want to come to you.
This reads that you forced yourself on an introverted nice girl who lacked the self esteem to put up more firm boundaries.
Every signal she gave you was one of disinterest yet you kept pushing until she broke down.
This doesn’t make you cool. This makes you a fucking twat.
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
That's a downside of being mode 2, I'll give you that, unless you get verbal confirmation from the girl, you don't truly know what's on her mind, and as I've mentioned in previous comments, I am disappointed in myself regarding that.
I don't necessarily think she felt pressured. Tbh she progressed towards sex faster than I did. Remember, I said when I was taking her clothes off, she resisted so I told her I'd keep mines on, she agreed to that then while my head was in between her legs I asked if she wanted me to continue, she said yes. Now yes, obviously I wanted to sleep with her as well but I really do enjoy eating pussy too and I would've done that damn near indefinitely. She stopped me and said let's go to the bedroom and get a condom.
In the bedroom, she was VERY active, like semi taking charge in certain aspects. She even went towards my dick umprompted when I took the condom off, and started sucking me off. If I forced her I sure as couldn't tell. Even afterwords we had a good convo and she asked me to walk her home.
[–]Dominus-Prime- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
After you opened the gates it’s no surprise she behaved differently.
My point is that you pushed her to your will despite the obvious signs of resistance evenbefore your clothes were off. I say this as a warning bc this could be constituted as rape in some people’s perspectives and could get you into a lot of trouble. I say this as a warning. You didn’t succeed. You got lucky.
Proper seduction is you talking her up such that you engage her feelings and make her wet without touching her. Make her want to get intimate with you without laying a hand on her.
Coercing someone into wanting you and coercing someone to have sex with you are two completely different things.
Be fucking careful.
[–]BPYCKorea 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You have no disagreements with me on about 90% of your assessments, that's exactly what ARC says are the detriments of being mode 2 rather than mode 1.
I even acknowledged to other commenters that this was very unusal, it wasn't true seduction because I didnt have the confidence of being mode one.
According to ARC's archetypes of women, I would say this girl was a reciprocator, so although I failed to uphold his teachings, he does acknowledge that even mode 2 methods get reciprocators. Again, I'm still not proud of my actions with her.
5% I do disagree with is that I did leave the coffee shop on my own and they stayed there so our text convo, we weren't near each other. Yes, I suggested we meet up again, but according to your version, this should have been the moment she said no, no matter how introverted she may have been, that was still the day we met and I was asking to see her again that night. "No" was easily in her repertoire. Plus I don't really drink alcohol so impaired decisions weren't a factor, we dranked water and orange juice, well I dranked the juice lol I have a crazy sweet tooth.
The other 5% I disagree with is your idea of seduction, yes ARC would agree with you in that seduction is using your verbal game in such a way to get her pussy wet and she'd want to sleep with you. On the other hand, 60 years of challenge's anti-manifesto says that sexual attraction and tension is already there, too much verbal game ruins it, he's big on eye contact and proper kino. In my apt, I feel like I did both, I told her she was beautiful and sexy and that I was getting hard(mode one), and I looked her in the eyes, held her hand, then put her hand on my dick(60YOC). Sounds like seduction to me. I agree with you on the whole meet to bed interaction not being considered true seduction only because I wasn't mode one from the getgo.
[–]Dominus-Prime- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don’t deal with acronyms and levels and all that shit. I have no idea what you’re talking about. It seems like you operate from learned tactics rather that what’s naturally inside you as a man.
Fact is she resisted you multiple times. This should have been a signal to you that you’re doing something wrong. Not right.
If you get in trouble the police isn’t gonna give a rats ass what your book said was the “right” way because you were operating on level ice cream and used the zebra tactic.
Ideally Seduction is about making her want you so bad she can’t help herself. This comes down to being solid in who you are. Being a man. Allowing her a place to feel comfortable enough to do what she wants and sometimes things she would never imagine herself doing. It’s about bringing it out of her, not pushing yourself on her.
Put the fucking books and videos down and learn who you are as a sexual being. This takes time but being genuine and strong is unimaginably better than following some quick tricks to get a woman to sleep with you.
“Game” in the realest sense actually has nothing to do with women. It’s all about you. Books and tactics is like putting a hat on a pig. It may fool some people but you’re still just a pig.
Again, I will warn you. Your methods are asking for a rape charge. Cut it out and learn to be natural such that she comes to you. Not the other way around.
[–]BPYCKorea 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I get it, you don't know pua stuff but you're talking like Alan Roger Currie, he hates pua too and advocates being your true authentic self.
I don't understand why you keep coming at me for, I'm constantly agreeing with you and sharing your sentiments. I'm even telling you I was disappointed in myself for how I behaved with her. But come on bro, I did not force myself on her, as I explained to another commenter, all of her objections were respected, and I even went to lower levels to where she was comfortable with, ie holding her hand vs rubbing her thighs, kissing her lips vs sucking her breasts, etc.
I get she could have been introverted but idk, she didn't seem that coy with me, had no qualms about looking everywhere in my apt, even opening closed doors and whatnot. That's not an indication of anything, but I'm just giving an example of her behavior. She had no problem with her token resistance and I feel if she truly didn't want to do anything, the time we spent together told her that I'm a pretty genuine guy, and I'm not going to force myself on her against her wishes so she could have been more adamant with her resistance. In fact I don't even remember her actually saying no to anything, it was more like playful banter resistance, but there's no word for that so I said token resistance which is the closest thing to it.
In the original story, plus to you directly and I'm reiterating it again right now, I ASKED her if she wanted me to continue, she said yes.
[–]Dominus-Prime- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ok man. Just be careful. That’s all I’m saying. Part of being careful is not manipulating women with gimmicks.
And now you sound like you’re justifying.
How would you want your son to be? Would you want him to use tricks to get women’s panties off by stacking (whatever the heck that is) and with openers? Or would you want him to be a bad mutha fucka that women just submit to on their own free will?
I’m coming at you because I see flaws in your thinking and potential dangers in your future. You are not found in a book. And the longer you take to discover what kind of man you are, the more you prolong true success.
I care about young men. PUA does not make males into men. It teaches them to ignore the base issue (you) and focus on techniques. This is a fools errand no matter how much pussy those techniques land for you.
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bro, I can't reiterate enough how much we're speaking the same language. That is the very message of mode one, to be truly authentic with who you are. I keep telling you I admit I was mode two instead and I'm disappointed in myself, that right there tells you that I heavily advocate being mode one, and striving to reach that level of authenticity. I acknowledged the issues of character that night and working on improving them. As I mentioned in the first line of the original story, that was a 1st time occurrence. All my other relationships were long term, this is the first time I'm entering the sexual marketplace as a single person and consciously choosing to stay that way.
[–]Dominus-Prime- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok. Well in your quest for “Mode 1” I highly recommend dropping the PUA nonsense. Stop using techniques and instead ask yourself why you’re interested in using them in the first place.
Remember, being genuine stands out. Most girls get hit on by lots of guys. This turns into study of us such that when we approach we get put in a box and easily discarded if they choose. When you are genuine and fearless of any outcome you can’t be put in a box.
Man, idk how many times we gotta discuss this before it's realized that mode one is exactly anti-pua and meant to bring out your true authenticity. It's exactly what you're talking about, he just happens to call that philosophy mode one. I truly don't think you'd disagree with anything he says. He elaborates beyond this context we're discussing, it's an all encompassing philosophy that can permeate all aspects of your life.
[–]100hourslave 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Damn man you took the dive and ate her out risking std's and another dudes cum, well alright then.
[–]BPYCKorea 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Sure but at the same time, you have no problem letting them risk stds and another chicks cum by sucking you off.
[–]100hourslave 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Tbh I don't do oral on the first fuck for my own protection. I talk to them and get a feel for how they are and then introduce oral into the picture if I feel comfortable risking her sucking my dick let alone me going down on her down the line. But that's just me and my thought process.
If a girl is easily fucked by you, she was easily fucked by other guys.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all tbh. Your last point got me, not something I want to think about. I prefer to think I was unique, and she doesn't do this that often, if at all lol. Sometimes, you can just be so attracted to someone
[–]100hourslave 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
LOL I think we all try to believe that man.
Lol right
[–]mertcan17 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
uncle Tom is that you bruh ? , btw you are lucky man ,she was completely DTF.
I won't say uncle tom, just not as "cool" as other black dudes lol. Yeah luck was part of it but not fucking things up was important
[–]otomdan 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ahh, I miss Korea
[–]lafnal 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She resisted tends to mean stop
[–]BPYCKorea 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're right and I did stop, it was mostly token resistance and my responses were always to advocate for a step lower than where I wanted or was atm, ie holding her hand vs rubbing her thigh, kissing her lips vs sucking her breasts, keeping my underwear on vs taking hers off. After I took hers off, as I was heading down there to eat her out, I asked if she wanted me to continue...she didn't object and the rest of the story you know.
[–]poopooguy613 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
All them niggas saying you “forced” yourself on her probably only a piece of pussy in their life, I don’t see anything what you did is wrong. There’s no right way to do ANYTHING bro, ANY FUCKING THING BRO! You did what she wanted to do but she was scared at first, this bitch willingly came to your house and she knows why the duck she did that’s why y’all fucked because she wanted to fuck Period point blank my nigga don’t apologize for nothing!
I'm with you 100%, but I do acknowledge the validity of their concerns because thats where the metoo movement stemmed from, men behaving in a mode two manner, which throughout my comments I regret to admit I was. I feel I was only mode one near the point of her sitting next to me on my couch.
[–]poopooguy613 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
FUCK THE ME TOO MOVEMENT 🖕🏽🖕🏽. Not every bitch is into that and if you don’t feel safe around women then record everything
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