The disappearance of men | Christine Emba from Big Think

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-05-06T16:01:00+00:00

Ugh... another one... So tired of the "we need a positive role model for men" angle.

Here's what we need.

We need the basic default assumption of innocence and deserving of respect that most people used to extend to everyone, but most now only extend to women.
We need the same protection from dangerous women that women need from dangerous men, both in terms of social attitudes and the legal system.
We need everyone to be held to equal standards of behavior.
We need to not be institutionally discriminated against, as in the example of education there being proven discrimination in grading and punishment/pathologization of behaviors.

We're perfectly capable of being resilient and figuring out how to live our lives on our own. We're in the basement playing video games, because society tells us it doesn't want us around and demonstrates repeatedly that we're in danger of being punished for existing whenever we step outside.

Plenty_Lettuce5418 · 2024-05-06T15:50:05+00:00

thank you! feminism assumes we live in a patriarchal society and uses that as evidence that men are privileged. we do not live in a patriarchy, we live in an oligarchy. correlation v causation; then they say well all the world leaders and CEO's are men, therefore we live in a patriarchy. okay well most world leaders have brown hair does that mean we live in a society governed by the color of your hair? no. the defining feature of the people in power is money. the acquisition of power in this country is the acquisition of money. politicians cannot become politicians without millions in expendable cash, and a lot of that is going to be subsidies and campaign donations. CEO's are literally there to improve the monetary value of the company for stock holders, that is why they exist. nobody walks in with a penis and gets elected president. and although it doesn't seem to be working that way, we do live in a democracy where women have equal right to vote and the people in power are just representatives that both men and women voted on. it is not super helpful to break people down into unnecessary classifications and categories and to judge them based on that conjecture.

Vegetable_Camera5042 · 2024-05-06T20:24:13+00:00

9:50 "for the good of others, for the good of society as a whole"

There you have it folks. Positive masculinity was never about men's mental health. Positive masculinity is always about what men can do for women, kids, and society. Not for themselves. This is why I call positive masculinity a progressive version of traditional masculinity. Where men are still put into a box to get validation from others. Different toilet, but same shit when it comes to positive masculinity vs traditional masculinity.

10:20 to 10:30 she does sound like she was about to make sense here. By saying how men and women shouldn't have to be the opposite of each other. But I'm not too sure here though.

SarcasticallyCandour · 2024-05-06T16:50:58+00:00

To me this is feminists trying capitalize on a potential market opening up. If governments start to fund research or initiatives into these male issues feminists want to be standing there waiting to receive all the funding and monopolize the jobs this funding will be directed to. -

they also seem to want to control the lens as in male issues are presented as just a random issue, but males are still privileged and these issues are side effects of males losing privilege. Also I'd say they want to get in on it quickly to stop male orgs getting started and funded.

The way its framed is always men need to do better or men are angry we are losing privilege.

I do not take feminists seriously on these issues at all. Feminists see men and boys as oppressors who dont face problems. So this is suspicious as f to me.

flaumo · 2024-05-06T18:00:39+00:00

People saying they want men to survive and flourish, I mean that is very nice to hear, and you do not hear that very often.

On the other hand I am personally done. I survived despite family, society and feminism, and I am going to keep it that way. I am flourishing despite the odds, and I am willing to help other men achieve the same. I personally don‘t need some semi inspirational videos by women having compassion with men any more.

Dashing2026 · 2024-05-06T16:21:45+00:00

We need Masculism: feminism had a humanist element, it wasn't a question of what practical nuances where associated with women's empowerment, rather it was done simply for the sake of women's welfare.

If we are to talk of men's problems, concepts of economics, practicality, and other sorts of quantitative lenses ought to be second priority behind the need to better men's lives.

In other words, let's not think of bettering men's lives for the sake of "achieving a better society", rather Masculism ought to prioritize men's welfare as an end goal. Selflessness is preached on by both conservatives and progressives towards men, I think that ought to be pushed back against and entertain the idea of men living for themselves without the need for a constant adherence to a higher noble cause.

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