Male violence and female fear

HedgeRunner · 2024-06-16T02:03:27+00:00

I'm too lazy to type out a new answer so here's a copy pasta from one of my prev answers - men and women utilize and commit violence in different ways. Men tends to be way more physically aggressive while women play the emotional and back-stabbing games. Trying to judge 99% men by 1% men on only physical aggression is just statistically ignorant.

It is absolutely ridiculous that the average female in the US thinks going on a date will get her killed or that she'll be "in danger". That's pure hogwash.

Also, emotional aggression is very real (hello mental illness crisis in the US lol). Just because the law does not touch emotional aggression since its extremely difficult to prove doesn't mean females are not aggressive or exert violence. In fact, precisely because emotional violence isn't illegal, people are encouraged to utilize it to gain advantage.

TL DR: violence like so many other dumb topics supposedly "binary" topics in America politics is actually complex and multi-dimensional. Just because 1% of men are more physical violent than the average woman doesn't necessarily mean the average man is more violent.

eli_ashe · 2024-06-16T03:55:29+00:00

a fun adjunct to this these points is that that sort of safety culture, the 'call the police' kind of response, is the very thing being push back against in 2020.

the use of the narrative that women are in danger and need some kind of 'big brother' to step in is a classic problem the left and the right for that matter are supposed to be against.

gotta save the helpless women from the big bad men folk coming to rape em.

there wasn't ever really any 'dangerous generation of men' either, at least not for the most part. this isn't a new phenomenon, its super old, and its largely a false narrative, in the sense that its never or rarely ever comported itself to reality.

its isn't even just feministas that do it either, tho its particularly sad somehow thet they doing it (they supposed to be studying gender not replicated the same shithole narratives), the 'mexican rapists swarming across the border' is the same shit, as is the 'queers coming for your babies' and the 'black gonna get your white pussy' and so forth.

what OP is watching is what folks recognize when it occurs on the right as fascistic rhetoric, but seem to have a hard time accepting that its basically the same shit no matter what political angle you look at it from.

to be clear, men do not cause more violence, they just don't. we count male violence, and we refuse to count female violence. we criminalize masculinity, and we dont criminalize femininity. we define violence in terms of masculinity, to the exclusion of feminine violence.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-06-16T09:32:31+00:00

It is simple, feminist hugely benefit from fear mongering. Not to benefit women, but to secure ever increasing funding. It also attracts toxic men hating women who get public platforms and attention they certainlydo not deserve.

bluefootedpig · 2024-06-16T04:55:00+00:00

I call it the "culture of fear". Humans are horrible at estimating rare things. We tell women that at every party they go to, there is some man there wanting to harm them. That going to a concert, some man is there to harm them.

The fact is, women are more likely to be harmed by someone they know than a stranger, and yet they trust those near them more than strangers. We have the stats to prove it, yet somehow to most women, they fear the stranger more than someone they know.

Also as a point, men I think are just FAR LESS likely to report violence against them. Look at DV among gay couples, or like the recent survey that turned out that 1 in 3 women are victims of SA, men are 70% victims by the same metrics. Women are over twice less likely to be victims of SA than men.

This reminds me of the 1 in 4 homeless are women... like who are the others? why do we care that 25% of homeless are women and not care that 75% of homeless are men?

Eaglingonthemoor · 2024-06-16T02:50:43+00:00

I'm just gonna throw my hot take out today and others can feel free to expound.

Many women have legitimate trauma from legitimate traumatic encounters with men. I am speaking as someone who has trauma herself so I am not trying to be dismissive - the fact of the matter is that trauma disconnects you from reality. Your nervous system goes into threat-seeking overdrive and you are no longer able to appropriately judge danger. This is compounded by our media environment and exploited by advertisers. Traumatised women are an extremely marketable demographic. Look at the way doorbell cameras have been marketed for ie.

The high level of nervous system activation caused by trauma comes first, and the brain seeks to justify it logically second. This is why I am sympathetic to the fear of men while ultimately being a little frustrated by it. I walk alone at night often. Long walks through dark streets. I feel scared sometimes because the dark is scary. That does not mean it is a dangerous activity. The probability of being jumped by a stranger at night in most places is not zero, but it's typically so low as to be inconsequential. Fear does not necessarily mean danger. I suppose there is a danger of mugging in impoverished areas, but that is really the fault of wealth inequality.

Side tangent, this is such a massive pet peeve of mine. I hate when the alleged danger of walking alone at night comes up. I feel like I am expected to whine and complain about how difficult it is to be a woman because the dark is scary. I have my problems with being a woman but the tiny probability of being raped and murdered at a bus stop is the least of my concerns.

NonbinaryYolo · 2024-06-17T09:09:57+00:00

I've definitely noticed that as the culture on reddit has polarized from it's more Liberal/Libertarian roots to left and right perspectives the concept of seeing, and treating men/women as equals has evaporated.

Specifically I remember going to r/bropill after I got raped. I was told it was a progressive community, but a ton of the content was just about how men need to protect women, how men need to confront their friends.

And then you start adding on patriarchy discussions... All the gaslighting about how everything is Misogyny. A man gets made fun for being short? Whell that's Misogyny, because the implication that someone being smaller is a call back to the perceived inferiority of women, or whatever.

It really seems like Feminist Leftism holds a lot of the same views as conservatives just with a different moral spin. Women are infantized. Men are exacted to stand up women. Men are expected to speak for women. Men are responsible for the world, and society.

Content_Lychee_2632 · 2024-06-16T12:43:28+00:00

I’ll chime in with my experiences in various countries. Russia is dangerous for women- sexual assaults are rarely prosecuted, slave marriages are still a thing, there’s little reproductive freedom. But there’s also the huge draft. We’ve literally lost almost the entirety of our generation of men. I’m not kidding. There’s ghost towns.

Mexico- one of the capitals of femicide. I would hazard a guess here that women are actually murdered more often than men- but the violence is also often perpetuated by women too. Sicarias are getting younger every year, and often use sexual violence before murder. Sicarios more often violate women after the death, a message more to the family than interpersonal violence. But for the average person, I would say it’s more dangerous to be female. Men are murdered in disputes, but women and girls are kidnapped and trafficked even if they don’t have any prior involvement.

Many of this discussion of feminism and reactive feminism is very American and British centered. While men’s rights are being infringed on, and most violent crime has men as the victims, there are still many places where men terrorize women every day for their entire lives.

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