How True Is This Phrase?

CrotaLikesRomComs · 2025-06-04T20:24:32+00:00

You can watch a few Casey Zander videos about this. Basically and unfortunately, if you don’t overly commit or compliment them, they think you are higher value than them. This convinces them to stay.

ThatDarnSmell · 2025-06-04T18:55:33+00:00

Many guys remain in abusive relationships as well.

epimpstyle · 2025-06-04T19:00:47+00:00

It's like asking you, how true is this phrase: men love spicy pizza?

Some of them will like it, and others won't. It's exactly the same with women in your example.

Those two women have other problems, and they somehow depend on the abusive partner. It's exactly like some women who have husbands but need to stay with them for various reasons.

Broad-Cranberry-9050 · 2025-06-04T21:58:33+00:00

I dont think it's true to all women but I think it may be about some.

You can flip it to men, there are alot of men who are tolerating verbally abusive or evev shitty behavior from women because the girl is hot and they have a fun time with them when they arent batshit crazy.

I have a friend who dated a girl for 4 months (1 month of being unofficial). Here's is everything she did (that I know of or found out after they broke up) -

- Very early on. She claimed she didnt have time to be offifical and that he was too attached. When he detached she got mad if he even looked at a girl. Months after they broke up I found out she had slept with a coworker around this time (she is a friend of a friend).

- She lied about any little thing. My friend started to suspect she was with others very early on (they still arent official at this point). Like she lied about a shirt I gave her. She said she had no idea where it came from, I had to explain to him that a friend of hers had left it at my house and I gave it to her to give it to the friend (female).

- They finally become official, she feels he is too attached so again he detaches and again she gets mad.

- She wants to go on a break due to "work" and being busy. She tells him they can talk again after she comes back from her girls trip that wasnt happening for another month. He called her out and said if she is going to sleep with someone else just be upfront about it so he can walk away.

These are just a few examples. This isnt even the craziest ive seen. Im sure women will put up with alot for men with status, but same goes for a guy for a woman with looks.

norwegiandoggo · 2025-06-04T18:45:09+00:00

It's totally wrong.

Why? Because you generalize it to "all women". Only a small handful of women will tolerate abuse in exchange for mate value.

If you're a guy with high mate value: You will find and get those women who are willing to accept it. But you won't get the women that don't.

Look at Diddy: He was able to control some women and not others. Most women don't want anything to do with him as soon as they found out about his abusive ways. Only a small percentage are still interested once the bad news is out.

Also, women who stay in abusive relationships usually don't do it because the guy has high mate value. They stay because they're afraid they might get murdered if they leave.

TeachMePersuasion · 2025-06-04T19:37:47+00:00

attraction isnt a choice, I dont understand well but remember david d making that argument; there are women indeed who logically know a guy is not good for them or abuse them but they still get attracted to such guy; david d anglelo goes depth into this kind of stuff; his seminars are amazingly packed with cool stuff like this.

Certain_Process_7657 · 2025-06-04T22:37:24+00:00

Maybe not literally anything but they definitely let you get away with more if you're dating down and there's a large difference in SMV.

Bachelor4ever · 2025-06-05T13:04:05+00:00

I think it's true. Of course there are exceptions like there are to everything, however, in many cases it's true.

Apprehensive_Lime609 · 2025-06-05T08:45:38+00:00

idk, a guy i was seeing hit me and i full body tackled him and swung back HARD. everyone’s different ig 🤷‍♀️

HumanContract · 2025-06-06T02:24:01+00:00

Most men feel the need to hide infidelity bc they know their partner will leave if found out. There are rarely any men who are rich enough to have a wife and a mistress.

2025-06-06T06:38:00+00:00

Many abused people stay with their partners and it’s not cause they’re “high value”, it’s cause they’ve been manipulated, depend on their partners, and are scared to leave. I think that phrase is just mindless manosphere babble, though there are probably better examples that you could’ve used.

Jake0024 · 2025-06-06T14:57:35+00:00

Well it's a bit tautological. "Anyone will accept any drawback for a sufficiently large reward" is just saying people are able to weigh pros and cons. Yes, if the pros are sufficient to outweigh the cons, people will accept it. That's what the word "sufficient" means. If it wasn't sufficient, they wouldn't accept it. By definition.

oogaboogaloga · 2025-06-08T05:01:02+00:00

That behaviour itself might lead to getting such a girl. BUT. The girl is not going to be a confident one. She also wont love you for you, but rather she's going to trauma bond with you. Same goes for men, can be a very similar dynamic

Bforbrilliantt · 2025-09-26T00:51:54+00:00

Define "abuse."
E.g. "I was working in the drive through and Henry Cavill did a 'fire in the hole.' What a jerk. I forgive him though as he's damn good looking."

TeachMePersuasion · 2025-06-04T18:40:31+00:00

I'll say that yeah, there are always limits. No one would date Peter Scully, no matter how high quality he might be, unless there's money involved.

Betyouwonthehehaha · 2025-06-04T22:15:46+00:00

Sounds like a narcissist’s wet dream but no, this isn’t true. A woman whose has been psychologically and emotionally broken down by her partner may tolerate anything, but that’s not a sign of value on the man’s part, it’s a sign of lacking self esteem on the woman’s part. The same dynamic can exist with the roles reversed, you just tend to see it more with women doing the tolerating because that’s how we are socialized, and because men are naturally more prone to domineering behavior

Title	How True Is This Phrase?
Author	TeachMePersuasion
Upvotes	41
Comments	32
Date	June 4, 2025 5:57 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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