All men now considered too dangerous to change a child's nappy in Victoria Australia. The war against men and boys is now mainstream

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So lets ban men from this responsibility altogether because of the mistakes of a few, huh?

The problem is just a mistake of a "few" can lead to children getting traumatized for their life and also facing severe risks to their health.

Thousands of kids under the age of 5 have been sexually assaulted (some literally raped) and are being tested for STDs.

This is just too huge of a risk to take for the well-being of our children, especially many of those whom are so young.

Okay...so let's ban women from being teachers(or at least, from being left alone with male students, since that would be the equivalent here) since they keep raping and sexually abusing boys.

No offense, I'm not defending that, but that's not at all an equivalent to what just happened here (even though it's quite awful in its own way). If you look at the sexual abuse committed by female teachers, the students are almost always 13+.

Pedophilia generally refers to sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children (under the age of 11), these teachers would be classified as hebephiles (11-14) and ephebophiles (15-19).

Almost none of the cases involved pre-pubescent children and a lot of them involved more of a controlling relationship and most of these cases are what we would call "statutory rape".

Which is awful itself and should be condemened, but a teacher seducing and having sex with a 15-16 year old is a completely different thing altogether from someone literally penetrating toddlers.

Similarly, if you look at all the news of school teachers getting arrested for rape, despite what the preception of this sub might be, the vast majority of them are still males (~80%) despite the fact that the vast majority of teachers are female.

What happened to these children is fucked up and some of those men may be pedophiles anyway. But this isn't a "male" issue. And for them to make it seem like it is, is fucking sick and wrong.

Yes, it isn't specifically a "male" issue since the vast majority of men will never do such an act, however, the people who do this are almost always predominantly male.

This shouldn't be seen as an attack on men, but rather just the 1% who are mentally deranged, however, these people are still almost all males.

Please be mature and think pragmatically. Not everything is equal between the two sexes. and don't take it as a attack on being male.

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Well that's not actually completely true, if you look at the Child Maltreatment 2016 Report, "Table 4–5 Child Fatalities by Relationship to Their Perpetrators, 2016" (page 76).

Parents:

Father (16.8%), Father and nonparent(s) (1.9%), Mother (27.0%), Mother and Nonparent(s) (10.7%), Mother and Father (20.1%), Mother, Father, and NonParent (1.6%)

Non-Parent (16.7% total)

Unknown (5.3% total)

So Mother alone only makes up 27.0% of the murders, mother and an accomplice it'll make 27.0 + 10.7 = 37.7%, mother without father.

Father alone only makes up 16.8%, Father + accomplice will make it 16.8 + 1.9 = 18.7%, father without mother.

Mother and father both involved make up 21.7%

So yes, while most murders do involve the mother, the murders involving just the mother and not the father only make up 37.7% and the mother acting alone only 27.0%.

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You may want to consider abortion as murder too. Abortion out of convenience. Abortion to avoid consequence. Abortion to escape accountability. If that is not being considered there's a gap and no continuity.

Recently there was post on Reddit which argued that upvotes/downvotes do not lend credence to nor is a reflection of "how" right or wrong(true or not) a post is. That is my default disposition as well. I read through your posts and I'm pretty confident that youre a decent person with a healthy outlook and positive attitude in general.

Though you are backing your points with references, and you don't come across as someone who is persecutory but rather seem generally genuine as a person and with your concerns, the resistance and general defiance expressed against your stance is that there's a disconnect when you address men and women. There's a very obvious difference that seems like you're making justifications and bringing on definitions or noting details etc making a case for why your stance on men and women are different.

The downvotes in the case of your comments in this case being the exception, does indicate you are wrong. Not with the facts you've presented. But that you are presenting stats and facts when none is needed to see that the point made where all men are deemed predatory when it's a 1% problem. To make it clear to you, the example of female teachers engaging in inappropriate sexual activity with students don't evoke a similar outcry. Nothing to do with distinctions between ephebephile or pedophiles etc. but the fact that you went there as is seen as justifying or excusing.

No stats are needed to acknowledge the reactions. You missed the point.

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EDIT: I just looked up the statistics, looks like that isn't entirely true. 27.0% cases in which mother is acting alone and 37.0% if you add cases of mother acting with another non-parent prepetrator.

An additional (20.1 + 1.6=21.7%) 21.7% of the cases involve the mother and father acting together. So mother is involved in 37+21.7=58.7% of the cases, so yes, it's true that mothers are involved in a slim majority of the cases, but mothers actually killing alone or without father is still not the majority.

, it's true that amongst younger children, mothers make up vast majority of their murderers, however, if you look at those killing unnrelated children, then its mainly men.

In-fact, almost all violence on non-relatives or non-partners is predominantly done by men.

So that's not really a good comparison at all.

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Thank you for your thought out response. But I feel like you're missing some nuances here.

Yes, there were MANY children who were harmed and are now being treated for STDs.

But there are also MANY boys being harmed by female teachers.

A few men harmed many children. Many women have harmed many children. So by this logic, if we follow the same thought processes here, we should be banning female teachers as well as they pose a similar risk to children(maybe not the transmission of STDs, but the trauma these boys will carry with them for life as well, since you used lifelone trauma in your argument as a reason for why it is serious).

You seem to think that the ability a man has to harm people is WORSE than the ability a woman has. The fact that most male childcare workers have NOT harmed children means that this "ruling" is inherently sexist. Statistically, a male childcare worker is no more likely to hurt a child than a female childcare worker. So there is no reason to ban men as a whole from changing a baby's diaper.

Your point of the definition of pedophilia is unnecessary here. You seem to think that rape or sexual assault on someone OLDER is not as bad as to a child or toddler. They are ALL bad. You would never argue that a grown woman who was raped is not as harmed as a child who was raped. Its all terrible and disgusting. The ages of the boys are irrelevant. A woman in a position of authority and held responsible for caring for children should NOT be raping them. Why are we measuring which one is "worse" when both can be traumatizing and damaging to the victim?

In some of these cases, the boy was no older than 12. So no, most of the victims of these teachers are not 13+. Here is just one example, but if you look it up, you can find many more where the boy was 5, 8, 10, etc.:

https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/alissa-mccommon-teacher-charged-rape-boy-tennessee-unspeakable/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17516857261377&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Falissa-mccommon-teacher-charged-rape-boy-tennessee-unspeakable%2F

By your argument then, what happened to these boys is just as bad as what happened to these young children and toddlers, since they were prepubescent at the time of the rape. Yes, penetrating a young child is twisted. But also, yes, a 30 year old teacher "having sex" with a 12 year old boy is also twisted. Please tell me you understand that. Or are you arguing that there are measures to how fucked up these things are depending on age? Or perhaps you're arguing that the method of rape(a man holding down a child and penetrating it vs a woman convincing a vulnerable and barely developed boy to penetrate her) is worse depending on how its done?

Also, statutory rape is seen as a crime, even if the term "statutory rape" is not used directly in a legal setting. I don't know why you're talking about it like it's "less serious".

And, your argument that most people arrested for raping students being male is unnecessary here. We already know that women are less likely than men to be arrested and convicted for similar crimes.

Here's a paper that talks about the underreporting of male sexual victimization specifically:

https://forge-forward.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Female-perpetrators-and-male-victims-why-they-are-invisible_mjw.pdf

Of course it SEEMS like more men commit this particular crime based on arrests alone, and what the media chooses to report on. But the fact that there is growing recognition of female teachers raping boys, and its being reported on MUCH more than it was before, I think is shedding light on its current and historical prevalence. Its happening way too often and to too many boys to sit here and say "But men are arrested more often!". There's a legit problem here that many, many women who are employed to care for students are using their positions to prey on young boys. Which is why I made the comparison. Because if we follow the same logic employed here, then we should also ban female teachers, since they both share a statistical similarity(with sexual victimization by a female teacher on the RISE actually) with male childcare workers preying on young children.

Also, the "vast majority" of people who commit these(sexually violent) crimes are not male. With discrepancy in conviction rates and the gendered language in which we use when we talk about rape makes it seem as though men are, majority of the time, sexual predators. When the language is evened out to include ways in which a man may and can be raped or sexually victimized(such as "made to penetrate" which is federally classified as rape), the numbers equal out and majority of them have been victimized by women.

Here is a British study that found that 71% of the men in the study reported a female perpetrator: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-023-02717-0

This means that both men and women commit sexually violent crimes at similar rates. Also, a good chunk of male childhood rape victims reported a female perpetrator. Here are two more studies demonstrating the similar rates of sexual victimization of both men and women, with men reporting more female perpetrators than male.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/

https://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf

So you're right. Let's be mature and think pragmatically here.

P.S its 1am, so if I missed anything in your argument, I will come back to it to address it once I get some sleep. Lol

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So the same women who complain that men doesn't do enough in childcare want fathers to ban it from participate, horseshoe theory getting better

Well I'd argue that someone taking care of his own children is different than from someone who is taking care of someone else's.

You mentioned victims, but you don't mention perpetrators.

I was referring to the recent incident which happened in Australia due to which these controversial news stories are coming out. That one men sexually assaulted and raped thousands of kinds under the age of 5, mixed his bodily fluids into their food and drinks, and they are literally being tested for STDs.

I would love to see this data

According to FBI statistics, for the last year, for statutory rape as a whole amongst offenders whose sex was known, 8090 were males and 1026 females, that makes it 88.7% males. If you look at data for the last 10 years, 58,630 were males and 6,548 females, making it 90.0% males, so not much of a difference across these years.

Back in May 2022, it was reported that at least 135 teachers and aides were charged with child sex crimes in the U.S., 105 men and 30 women. So that's 77.8% males.

A 2023 U.S. involving a large sample of recent high schol graduates found for those that had experience at least one form of educator sexual misconduct, 85% perpetrators were males.

A 2014 study regarding sexual abuse by teacher in the southeastern states of the US, 74% perpertrators were males.

A 2019 study of cases of teacher sexaul abuse reported in the U.S. media over 2014-2019, found 71% of the perpetrators were males.

You can personally do some research regarding these cases as well, here is a twitter account keeping track of such cases, and you can clearly see it is ~80% males.

Also this does not take into account the fact that the vast majority of school teachers are females, with women making up 77% of the K-12 teachers in the U.S (89% for elementary, 72% for middle, and 60% for high school).

Assuming men commit 80% of the crimes and are 23% of the teachers, that means men are 13.4 times more likely to commit sexual abuse.

I'm a MRA myself, but we don't have to assume everything between the sexes will be equal. There is going to be the good and the bad. Yes, female perpetrated sexual abuse is only started getting reported more nowaday, but we shouldn't have to assume that it would be 50-50.

Nor should we take it as an attack on men as a whole, it's still a very small subset of men who do this.

Edit: I've started keep track of teachers being arrested for sexual offences in July 2025. So far of the 23, ~70% are males.

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If you look at the sexual abuse committed by female teachers, the students are almost always 13+.

Pedophilia generally refers to sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children (under the age of 11), these teachers would be classified as hebephiles (11-14) and ephebophiles (15-19)

Almost none of the cases involved pre-pubescent children and a lot of them involved more of a controlling relationship and most of these cases are what we would call "statutory rape".

Which is awful itself and should be condemened, but a teacher seducing and having sex with a 15-16 year old is a completely different thing altogether from someone literally penetrating toddlers.

There is only 1 person in this conversation defending having sex with minors, and that’s you. Unironically arguing “Yeah, but it was only statutory rape”

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This isn't about misandry nor is it an attack on men, this is a serious situation.

Oh.. so banning men from a specific job or implying that men that want to work with children are only doing it because they are actually sexual predators ISN'T an attack on men?

Silly me...

Lets also not forget that women CAN NOT BE CHARGED WITH RAPE!!
Because rape is a gendered crime that ONLY men can commit..
So when women do it.. it gets watered down to "Having sex with" or "Unwanted Sexual Contact" which does not carry the same sort of social stigma that "Rape" does..

Yeah.. no misandry or attacks on men here...

I agree that this IS a serious situation!
But making sweeping generalized statements or policies on ALL men due to it is wrong
If you don't see that.. then there is no helping you.

Imagine for a second ONE woman who murders a child in a daycare..
Imagine for a second how women might feel if suddenly ALL women were being targeted and told that we need to be vetting women who work with young children more and that ALL women are dangerous to young children.

I'm sure many women would be upset at being generalized and vilified based purely on their gender..
Yet when it happens to men we get told we are being "fragile" or "Don't understand the seriousness of the situation"

Do you honestly NOT see the blatant double standards here?

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so.

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

Implications for Society and Business: The underestimation of female psychopaths has serious repercussions for the criminal justice system and organizational leadership decisions, highlighting a need for gender-inclusive assessment methods as it is aginst values for an egalitarian society

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future.

, Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

also make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is also a good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. ,

Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

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can change and bath their children in their homes, but not in childcare

To be fair, someone being with their own children vs someone else's children is a completely different thing.

Another thing is also that men are much less likely to be interested in child care, just as lesser women are interested in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering or Aerospace Engineering for that matter.

So this does raise some suspicision on males who are getting into the profession and raises the risk of creeps explotting this to gain access of children.

So it's not exactly a straight forward comparison.

But you also raise a good point, if men are vilified to be potential pedophiles then should they really be expected to be more involved in childcare? Obviously your own child is different, but many pedophiles might be willing to take the risk with their child as well.

A lot of feminists would want men to spend more time in raising the children as well, so it does open up a paradox. This could potentially also be used against fathers gaining custody of their children as well.

So would be interesting how this would pan out.

Sexist pigs using this tragedy to vilify all men

Yes it's definitely awful, but it's the harsh reality. Please don't get too emotionally charged over this.

From what I read in article, despite making up a miniscule percentage of childcare workers in Australia, males make up an overwhelming amount of the sexual abusers. This definitely raises concerns.

This is not meant to be an attack on man. Even if it is a very small percentage of men, it is a very reasonable fear to have since there are kids involved. If we can reduce the chances of them literally having to be tested for STDs from 0.1% to 0.00001%, then it's definitely worth it.

Even one isolated case affects and traumatizes children for life.

More awareness should be raised against the misandry and vilification of males as a whole, but the well being of children, especially infants and babies is more important.

This is a sensitive matter and it should be discussed maturely and we should asure to the public that this is not an attack on men as a whole and do recognize it's still a very small percentage of deranged men who might do tis.

This was a difficult decision, but it was the right to call to make. Nature was brutal to us. We don't want more babies to get raped and this was the best choice.

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Based on current facts and also empirical evidence I can find, vast majority of child sexual offenders are male.

I'm not denying that female sexual offenders don't exist and do think more awareness should be raised about them, but so far we have no clear proof they're as prevelant as male ones, especially when it comes to pre-pubescent children.

Even if the chances of sexual offences are low, we need to minimize them as much as possible, even one child getting traumatized is too much.

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Though not for teachers as a whole, according to FBI statistics, for the last year, for statutory rape as a whole amongst offenders whose sex was known, 8090 were males and 1026 females, that makes it 88.7% males. If you look at data for the last 10 years, 58,630 were males and 6,548 females, making it 90.0% males, so not much of a difference across these years.

Back in May 2022, it was reported that at least 135 teachers and aides were charged with child sex crimes in the U.S., 105 men and 30 women. So that's 77.8% males.

A 2023 U.S. involving a large sample of recent high schol graduates found for those that had experience at least one form of educator sexual misconduct, 85% perpetrators were males.

A 2014 study regarding sexual abuse by teacher in the southeastern states of the US, 74% perpertrators were males.

A 2019 study of cases of teacher sexaul abuse reported in the U.S. media over 2014-2019, found 71% of the perpetrators were males.

You can personally do some research regarding these cases as well, here is a twitter account keeping track of such cases, and you can clearly see it is ~80% males.

Also this does not take into account the fact that the vast majority of school teachers are females, with women making up 77% of the K-12 teachers in the U.S (89% for elementary, 72% for middle, and 60% for high school).

Assuming men commit 80% of the crimes and are 23% of the teachers, that means men are 13.4 times more likely to commit sexual abuse.

I've also started keep track of teachers being arrested for sexual offences reported in July 2025. So far of the 23, ~70% are males.

In New South Wales, Australia, 140 of the 142 sexual offences against children at non-school educational premises were done by males, despite the fact only 2-4% of Australia's early childcare educators and pre-school teachers are male.

In 2024, 99.1% of those arrested for child pornography in the U.S. were males. 98.8% male in 2023. 98.9% male in 2022. 98.9% in 2021. 99.7% in 2020. 99.4% in 2019. 99.3% in 2018. So it's a fixed pattern.

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First of all it depends.

There is a lot of overlap between human beings and everyone is unique. A lot of these conditions that predominantly affect people of one particular sex, still only affect a very minisucle amount of that sex.

Like we see in the case of the pedophilia paraphilia, even if it might affect males predominantly, it's still a very small percentage of men.

So, yes, the argument of not judging a group base on the actions of a small percentage definitely does make sense.

However, the context here is completely different because literal toddlers and babies are involved. Even if it was a very small percentage of men who do it, a lot of literal babies will be traumatized and damaged for life.

I mean look at this case, over 1000 babies and toddlers were sexual abused or raped, and now they have to take STD tests. Their food and drinks were contaminated with bodily fluids.

Even if this is a rare case, 1000 lives have been destroyed. For every woman who does this, there would be 100+ men.

In other places it might not mater much, but here literal vulnerable babies are at stake.

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women , doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins

. Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour , So rather than banning all men ,

we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. , Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

Implications for Society and Business: The underestimation of female psychopaths has serious repercussions for the criminal justice system and organizational leadership decisions, highlighting a need for gender-inclusive assessment methods as it is aginst values for an egalitarian society

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. ,

Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

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much of women working in child care field is also for economic benefits , it is a rising field from the beginning of 21st century as improvements in medical field increased life expectancy and better access to many problems , so many people opt medical field as a choice for making money ,

in my personal opinion , every men and women are not capable of becoming nurses as all people won't have ability to handle and care kids , so regulations for nursing field should be increased just like doctor field , also another solution is that make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation, in Australia this kind of law doesn't kind is a problem

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100%.

I wish people here think more pragmatically about this incident.

There is a difference between saying that most men are pedophile sex offenders or saying that the overwhelming majority (~95%+ or so maybe) of these offenders are male.

Yes, most males (I would say around 99%) are decent and normal human beings, but whether we like it or not there is a very small subset that happens to be highly sexually deviant. This is still a minority of men, they don't reflect the norm, their actions are alienable to us, and we don't condone them or related to them, however, these are still mainly male.

Whether we like it or not, there are signiifcant biological differences between males and females. These might not be reflected in most of us, but these are most apparent when we look at the outliers.

I do agree, this is a quite emotional and sensitive topic and those advocating for the ban might have worded it differently, but this is not meant to be an attack on men as a whole.

People here are just too obsessed with "but women do it too" or "women haven't been caught yet", but nobody seems to care about the incident that happened or the gravity of it.

Reminds me of this case: 57 men arrested for possessing and sharing over 100 000 depictions of child sexual abuse. These men were aged 23 to 72 from all walks of lives and many of them working as school teachers too.

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Violent crime and race are not really an analogous comparison with this. Are people from certain races more genetically predisposed to commiting violence? No and as you mentioned there are other factors, like societal factors nad racism that are the cause of this.

Whereas in the case of males and females are difference due to genetics, and unfortunately the people with these most paraphilic deviances are going to be male.

It's a sad reality, but we need to do what is the best to protect children. Even if we can reduce there chances of getting raped and contracting a STD from 0.1% to 0.00001% then be it. Even if it is one or two kids, it's a human being that will have to live through with the trauma.

I'm not defending treating men as a demographic of child abusers, and as you might have read in some of my other comments, I'm against the vilification of men as a whole like this. But being more vary around men taking care of children is a completely fine concern to have.

It's a sad reality that most of these child sexual abusers are males, these are still a small percentage of the population and by no means the norm and most of us males can neither related to their actions, which are alien to us, nor do we condone them.

But alas, "The truth can not be sexist" - Steven Pinker.

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Whereas in the case of males and females are difference due to genetics, and unfortunately the people with these most paraphilic deviances are going to be male.

What gene is present in men and not women that makes them child-rapists?

I'm not defending treating men as a demographic of child abusers, and as you might have read in some of my other comments, I'm against the vilification of men as a whole like this.

I'm afraid you're lying. You've said that banning men from a career is justified due to men being "genetically" more likely to be child-abusers. That is precisely what you're claiming you're not doing.

It's a sad reality that most of these child sexual abusers are males,

The ones that are recognised as such.

these are still a small percentage of the population and by no means the norm and most of us males can neither related to their actions, which are alien to us, nor do we condone them.

So why is banning men from childcare roles justified again?

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There is a difference between saying that most men are pedophile sex offenders or saying that the overwhelming majority (~95%+ or so maybe) of these offenders are male.

There's also something to be said about pointing out how that statistic is heavily biased and may not be representative of the ACTUAL truth of the matter

Men are flat out more likely to be arrested, charged and convicted of crimes than women are..
Ergo.. the statistics are going to reflect this fact..
Does it mean that men are more likely to be pedophile sex offenders than women? Maybe... but consider for a moment that in most western countries women CAN NOT be charged with "Rape" as the crime is gender coded to be a crime that ONLY men can commit.

That once again skews the numbers we have the in the statistics no?

Or how about situations where older women have RAPED underage boys, gotten pregnant, carried the baby to term and then SUED the boy for back dated child support and have WON these cases..
The courts LITERALLY agree that the woman is indeed guilty of "~~Having sex with~~" Raping an underage boy.. but they don't give a fuck!

They cite: "The needs of the child" in their decision on forcing a now 18 year old man to pay for a child he COULD NOT CONSENT to having...
I'm sorry but where were HIS needs when he was a child and raped by a woman? (often a woman in a position of power or authority over him(?

I do agree, this is a quite emotional and sensitive topic and those advocating for the ban might have worded it differently, but this is not meant to be an attack on men as a whole.

You think!? What gives you that idea?
Is it the fact that men as whole are fucking OVER with being demonized, vilified and generalized based on the actions of men we are NEVER MET nor have ANY CONTROL over?
I wonder why we as men might get upset by that?

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. ,

Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. ,

Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

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Its simply a fact that paedos are more likely to be men. So for every male that works in childcare there is a significantly greater risk than he will be a paedo and sexually abuse children than a female. That’s why in all the cases of mass sexual abuse all the perps have been male despite representing <5% of childcare workforce. It’s not saying “men are bad” it’s saying “paedos are bad who are more likely to be men therefore lets do something about it”. The counter argument “men arent bad lets not change anything” will only result in more paedos entering the industry and more babies being raped. Feminists will be upset by the new policy because it means that women have to do the unpleasant job of changing poppy nappies while the males get a free pass. Nevertheless I deal with facts and reality not feminist or MRA talking points.

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100%. I'm a MRA myself and have kept track of female pedophiles, but we can not override our biology. In fact trying to deny it would be as bad as the feminists who say that all professions and positions should be at least 50% female.

Even a lot of these "female pedos raping underage boys" they are talking about almost always have boys who are 13 or older, not literal toddlers and infants. And even then, vast majority of those arrested for statutory rape are still male despite females making up the vast majority of the teachers. Even if you look at those who are consuming child pornography or getting caught for distributing its overwhelmingly male.

I'm not sure why the guys here are taking it too personally. Even the people calling for the ban are not necessarily implying men are bad, it's just that pedophiles (and people with paraphilias) happen to be almost all males, which is why they're just talking the necessary steps to keep children safe. It's not saying that most males are predators either.

Literal babies have possibly been raped and now are requiring STD tests for god damn's sake.

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I'm not downplaying the rape of children because of their ages.

I'm just trying to imply that the female pedophiles we see are almost always targetting adolescents rather than pre-pubescent children.

We are more specifically talking about the pre-pubescent children in this case since it's concerning child care workers.

So using them as an exmaple to state there are plenty of women who are sexually abusing pre-pubescent children is just straight up disingenuous.

Even if both abuses are awful, it's not exactly the same thing, since adolescents often have a sense of attraction as compared to say pre-pubescents, and not to mention pre-pubscents' bodies are even less developed and it can cause more deadly damage to them.

It feels awful comparing these things, but I'm just being realistic.

But the main thing is, there are very little to no cases of females in raping pre-pubescent children as compared to males doing the same. Child pornography networks also seem to be almsot exclusively run by males as well, implying that males are much more likely to have this paraphilia.

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

Implications for Society and Business: The underestimation of female psychopaths has serious repercussions for the criminal justice system and organizational leadership decisions, highlighting a need for gender-inclusive assessment methods as it is aginst values for an egalitarian society

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. ,

Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

also make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is also a good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women

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You are ignoring the point here..
The point is that ALL men are being blamed for it and are being told "Men can no longer do this job because we can't trust you!"

So I fail to see how my analogy is "Bad" when it would be based on the same principles of denying women specific job roles because they can't be trusted in those roles...

Or.. if that doesn't float your boat.. then how about we start comparing ALL women to Lucy Lethby and the fact that she MURDERED many infants?
surely it would be wrong to start suspecting that EVERY SINGLE WOMAN who wants to be a nurse and work around infant babies is secretly wanting to murder babies right?
You follow along with how fucking STUPID it would be to do this yes?

So why then is it okay to generalize, vilify and blame ALL men for the actions of someone we men:

1) Probably have never and will never meet
2) Had ZERO control over..

Because i'm getting fucking sick and tired of being blamed for things I have NEVER done and will NEVER do!

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Blaming all men isn’t the point at all. The point is that children need to be protected at all costs even if it’s at the expense of gender equality and fairness. Not being allowed to change nappies is a small price to pay if if means these sickos (almost always men) aren’t able to rape children. The cases here in Australia have been quite bad with the males going from centre to centre molesting and raping literally hundreds of kids and often unloading the contents of the dark web. These are just the ones who’ve been caught there’s possibly a lot more going around undetected. For me the gender bias is meaningless when the consequences have been so widespread and devastating. It’s not blaming men at all it’s recognising that the culprits are almost always men and there is significantly increased risk hiring males and babies and small children getting fucked in the ass.

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I don't know if you consider me MRA because I'm a man, had my own set of struggles, I've both as a child and as an adult now almost 40yo still am facing and dealing with sexually inappropriate behaviours from women and girls.

What makes up my stance is I'm a "pretty boy/handsome" man. I'm not bragging but it came as a surprise I only realised this 2 years ago when I was told by a couple of well meaning women who helped me navigate most recent case of experiencing sexual harassment and coercion. This has helped me understand and make sense of alot of the treatment I've received from men and women alike, which has left me very confused and really unable to have any real intimate relationships with women. I don't want to go into detail but alot of women are very bold when they are turned on or horny, or seductive. I can tell you the number of timess I've been in public places been inappropriately touched and groped by total strangers (women) on 30+ occasions. I'm not counting the times I've been forced fellatioed.

Secondly, I work in education and have qualifications in psychology and psychotherapy. Over 15 years of experience teaching and coaching middle-high school students, and children 7yo to 13yo in special needs education with autistic and ADHD, other disabilities. Having had sexually stressing experiences which I term such because what happened to me wasn't assault nor rape nor abuse, I'm extra vigilant and careful around my students and constantly watch out for them. This was true even when I was engaged to home tutor a 16yo girl by her grandfather. Only to experience over an 11 month period something similar be never experienced before to be able to realise what was going on until said duration. I was hired with ulterior motives because the girl had seen me and taken a liking to me, this tutoring arrangement was a front for a plausible deniability manipulation, to control me and get me to have sex with the girl. This was a wealthy and influential family who were millionaires.

When I realised this plot I reported it. This i felt real mental strain and experienced gaslighting, and emotional abuse that was covert and hidden. It was only then I discovered that there were no channels for me to seek advice or clarity regarding my state of mind which was doubt, confusion, and frustration it felt like. Only channels for women's aid was available. When I thought that they would assist me no different and made the call, it wasn't 2 minutes before the one on the other end began interrogating me and flat out told me to stop pretending. She just assumed I was the perpetrator. I had no idea how that happened.

That's how I began to realise I was on my own. I did make a police report. All it did was to make sure my statistic was recorded. I began doing my own research into this experiences I've had my whole life. I didn't suspect it was because I was good looking. Because women would either be blatantly and boldly sexual, or treat me like I'm invisible, or behave like I was disgusting and dangerous. They'd give dirty looks and act weird. That's when I went back to psychology and realised that what I knew about women, their nature, and their sexuality becomes clear. Add to that all my crazy experiences, and alot of thing made sense. That's when I realised how scapegoated men were. When I had to counsel and learn it myself.

That's also when I investigated and explored the capacity for female sexual predators. Because of my very personal experiences, I know way more, way much more than 70%(being generous) of men will ever know or realise about women's nature especially one prone to their shadow. Sexual and deviant/criminal capacity.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6463078/#jcm-08-00401-t002

I will just share this one paper. There's more where that came from. This particular paper contains a very comprehensive list of other research papers into this very matter. It totally covers your only talking points. Which was according to you MRA glosses over the fact that children are being abused just to stand by their ideology. No sir.

I'm not an MRA. I'm only A. I advocate for myself. I learnt a lot when I did. Enough to lend a voice to this issue.

Good thing is you're not unreasonable. We are not in opposition if there's agreement... 1. You understand why the call for the ban is just an advocate doing what they do by creating shock value with a big overstatement. Banning men out of an entire field of work is ridiculous.(Shouldnt be entertained beyond it's purpose:Shock value) 2. That shock statement though not legislation nor official operating procedure (just a call for) has taken effect with men being relieved of nappy duty in unrelated care centers. 3. Children's safety is priority. But not at the expense of anyone else's innocence and integrity. Keep in mind the perpetrator is one man acting in isolation. Yet #1 men are scapegoated and demonized. It's usually a soothing technique and to assure public that action has been taken and measured for future prevention has been completed. By blaming men. 4. This shitty, yes, this shitty statement and half assed manner of portraying competency taking quick action is justified by a very unreliable stat which was used on this thread to discredit the people who are pointing out the nonsense behind this whole thing. Which is a statement that 97% child sex offenders are men. Therefore nam men from childcare. And yay?! You too chime along. Fact check much? 5. Read the research paper. This conversation is done. I'm checking out. Fuck Australia.

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I mean I agree with what most of you said especially about female abuse etc being underreported etc but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of paedos are male. Especially when we talk about really really young children and babies we are usually talking about male perpetrators. So the primary threat to these children isnt going to be women its always going to be some men. And these men have enormous potential to destroy many many lives and if we do nothing if we potentially putting many many children in harms way. Once again its unfair but the imperative is protecting children even if its discriminatory and unfair. Its a bit like banning immigration from some countries because some of their citizens present a legitimate terrorist threat even though it means discriminating against the majority of peaceful entrants. It’s unfair but sometimes necessary for public safety. Its concerning that so many people are so comfortable with children being raped and molested in order to counter a feminist narrative.

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I agree with what most of you said especially about female abuse etc being underreported etc but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of paedos are male.

Are you aware that underreporting may skew the data? Kind of like how defining rape as something only men can do may lead to the "evidence" that mort rapists are male?

Its a bit like banning immigration from some countries because some of their citizens present a legitimate terrorist threat even though it means discriminating against the majority of peaceful entrants. It’s unfair but sometimes necessary for public safety.

Thank you for confirming that you're also in favour of racist policies, by the same logic.

Its concerning that so many people are so comfortable with children being raped and molested

Link to examples. Can you prove that "so many" people here are comfortable with child rape to own the feminists?

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0) make sure that no single staff is alone with the baby is good solution as it can also reduce abuse of child from both men and women, this kind of law exists in many countries and it is reported that child child abuse rate declined a lot after this implementation

1)men are the dominant force in our society for thousands of years, is the reason why men are more likely to exhibit paraphilia than women doesn't mean that women are less likely to show paraphilia if they were the dominant group in society they would do so

Recent researches found that traditional gender norms made female psychopaths and pedophiles more less likely to exhibit their pedophilia and psychopath behaviour towards children , this article based on research on brain functioning

( https://neurosciencenews.com/female-psychopathy-psychology-25669/ )

points out certain facts :- ratio of male-to-female psychopathy could be as low as 1.2:1, but also indicating female psychopaths are up to five times more common than previously thought and not much far from men in terms of number but less likely exhibit it even though they have interest due to traditional gender norms which made them think different .

Gender Bias in Identification: Traditional psychopathy measures, designed around male criminal behavior, fail to capture the more manipulative and seductive tactics employed by female psychopaths and also female psychopaths and pedophiles are less likely to exhibit their behaviour even though they have interest to do so but due to traditional gender norms making them move off from it , so just imagine if there exists no male as a group , then female psychopaths and pedophiles enter into their roles

2) Also banning men from medical roles related to changing napkin is a discrimination as many men are capable of caring kids , in 21st centuary we need modern solutions to paraphilia behaviour rather than banning all men

, for example:- Australia is very bad in checking the background of nurses , make a law in Australia that checks the background of nurses who change napkins of kids strictly mental condition checking , former school behaviour records , personal conducts etc , also make a law that only those men having more than 7years of experience in handling other child aspects and having good record of conduct using CCTV footages and peer opinions should be allowed to change napkins .

Also in 21st centuary, we made great strides in understanding the brain structure of psychopaths, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia, pedophiles and people exhibiting paraphilia generally have difference in brain structure in general compared to people having normal brain structure

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301008214000884

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5534964/

neuroimaging techniques, such as functional and structural magnetic resonance imaging (sMRI, fMRI), together with neuropsychological studiesbased on chemical constituents of brain is a potential method of finding out people with paraphilia behaviour ,

So rather than banning all men , we should find modern solutions to problems ,we need strict regulation rather than crying about traditional gender concepts, in future. ,

Also u could see male doctors are less likely than male nurses to commit crimes in Australia because doctor field in Australia is more professional and better structured than nursing field , australian government should increase strict standards in recruitment process of nurses

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