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First post, long time lurker...

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September 26, 2018
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All about me...

  • Write down your stats (height, weight, bf%, lifts). 6', 185, 20ish%, squat 235lbs., BB bench 185lbs., dl 275lbs., BB row 185lbs., OHP 135lbs.
  • Write down all the books you have read in the sidebar and one sentence about what you learned from each one (even if you haven't finished it yet). What was your main takeaway from the other erroneous material referenced in TRP sidebar and here?
    • MMSLP: Create a MAP, follow MAP, be attractive, don't be unattractive.
    • NMMNG: Jesus the covert contracts were holding me down!
    • WISNIFG: Fogging is a better approach than STFU, AA and AM need a ton of practice.
    • SGM: Who didn't start with this book? Women like physically dominant men in the sack.
  • Get your testosterone levels checked and write them down. GP has no interest in checking my levels as I currently have no symptoms.
  • Write down your ratio of sexual initiations/rejections. 3/2
  • Write down the number of women besides your wife you could call right now to chill this weekend. 2
  • Shit, write down the name of the last girl you flirted with who isn't your wife. Selina
  • Write down how many days over the past 15 you have actively gamed your wife. 14
  • Write down two things you do that make you a good catch. Fairly humorous and own my style
  • Write down what you would do today if you did not have a wife/kids to go home to. Lift, meet friends for happy hour, catch a movie, martial arts, replace the crap carpet with hardwood floors throughout the first level of the house, change up the landscaping in the front yard, this list can go on and on.
  • Write down what Dread Level you are on. Maybe 2
  • Write down how many more months you have to go until you are an attractive man with options. Apparently 8.

I'm here tonight as I was shot down upon a *scheduled initiation. *These are normal ways for her to avoid my initiations and simply put out duty sex once a week. The wife told me she has zero desire, not just for me but anyone. She went on about feeling 'dirty' with the kids in the house and how she is always thinking about it in the back of her mind. Yep, got it. I leave the room, she asks where I'm going, I state that 'I can't sleep' and retreat to my office to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've read here long enough to know that my dread level isn't high enough, that I'm not fit enough, that I'm socially autistic when it comes to passing the big shit tests, i.e. tonight's example, and that I'm generally a faggot. My question, to those that truly live the MRP lifestyle, how successful have you been in keeping your wife and spinning plates? I plan to simply tell her that I'll be seeking outside resources to have my physical needs met. The door will always remain open for her to return to main plate status as she's a great mother, good housekeeper, decent cook and a full time teacher. I'd like to keep her around for those reasons. Advice, approaches and insults are all welcome.

*Edit: Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. I appreciate all of the feedback. As I've commented in replies, I should have posted here sooner. This sub helps a lot of guys so encourage every noob who wants to work to ask the question that's holding you back. You might be surprised how obvious the answer is!


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Title First post, long time lurker...
Author TryingToOwnIt
Upvotes 8
Comments 43
Date 26 September 2018 04:15 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/203972
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/9iz9pz/first_post_long_time_lurker/
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[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I plan to simply tell her that I'll be seeking outside resources to have my physical needs met.

This seems pretty abrupt, butthurt, and reactive. This is a passive/aggressive beta approach.

Why don’t you try saying something much more subtle and see how she reacts. Baby steps.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

After getting a bit of rest, you're right. This is a very reactive approach. I need to hit the reset button and approach today with a fresh mindset. Thanks for the input.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's called going R A M B O

[–]markpf733 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’ve got about 10 more levels to go before the fuck me or fuck you ultimatum. If you do it right your actions and life will say it before your mouth does.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I plan to simply tell her that I'll be seeking outside resources to have my physical needs met.

Sooooo you're trying to emotionally blackmail her? If you want to fuck then fuck. You don't need ours or her permission, but this is screaming for attention. PUHLEEEZE fuck me or Mary Jane Rotten-Crotch will.

But looking at your lift stats you aren't putting in the work.

You are DL2. That is your issue. You aren't even ready for the hard stuff yet. Unless you were seriously obese you should be further along, and sure the numbers aren't the whole story here but still. 185 bench is pathetic. Really. It is. 225 is the MINIMUM standard here unless you have some injuries.

235 squat? I start my warm up at 235.

Your problem is that you are half stepping. You are just going through the motions LARPing the whole thing. Your wife sees it. The other girls don't. They see what you want them to see.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus that’s fucking great. Good to hear - I’m still doing StrongLifts and warming up at the bar.

Still nowhere close to breaking 300 but ive hit 250.

Biggest problem OP has is BF % IMO.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

5x5 is essentially powerlifting. It's a start point. I've been powerlifting most of my life with breaks here and there. I got serious about when I started my red pill recovery and then got dead fucking real about it this year. Got coach and now on a full power team. The gains have been insane, and it's essentially a sport for me now.

I don't have the fat buddha bod that olympic lifters get, but I am not Mr Universe cut either. Women can't see your muscles under the shirt but know when you throw them on the bed. When you enter this level the BF gets much tougher to manage. Even a 2 mile run saps your energy in big ways that you want to save for you lifts.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sometimes the truth stings and you are spot on! With regard to weight, I've always been a skinny guy. Gaining weight of any kind has always been a struggle. As I'm reading and responding to all of these comments I can clearly see that I haven't even been half-assing it, is there a quarter-ass measurement? I make excuses for my diet and don't own it, I keep putting off visiting a coach to fix my squat so not owning it, I stay up too late making it difficult to get up on time so I can have a proper workout. It appears that I'm not trying to own shit! I appreciate the feedback, it can be difficult to see faults within oneself when you think you're doing it right. I see where I'm lacking accountability and it ends today.

[–]2ndalRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gaining weight of any kind has always been a struggle.

That's because you've never really tried. Sure, you've thought to yourself I'm skinny, I should eat more! and then maybe you have ate more, or thought you ate more, yet the scale stayed the same. But you've never really applied yourself. You've never approached your health and fitness (or perhaps anything in your life) with a concrete plan and then executed that plan. Because "gaining [or losing] weight has always been a struggle" is just asshole speak for "I've never really applied myself." It's like saying "I don't have time to go to the gym!" No motherfucker, you don't make time to go to the gym.

You're a human, you have a body and a skeleton and a nervous system and a digestive system and all of the same parts as everyone else. Unless you're severely sick (you're not) your body is going to react in the exact same way as everyone else: you put in more calories than needed for survival, you gain weight. You put in less calories than needed for survival, you lose weight.

So... try.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I start my warmup with the bar.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My question, to those that truly live the MRP lifestyle, how successful have you been in keeping your wife and spinning plates?

The answers to this are going to vary widely, and quite frankly none of them will matter to your specific situation. If this is your goal, then work towards it. But be honest with yourself, you're here asking because you're afraid of her reaction... i.e. you're approaching the question from squarely within her frame. That alone tells me that you aren't ready to pull it off yet.

Write down what you would do today if you did not have a wife/kids to go home to. Lift, meet friends for happy hour, catch a movie, martial arts, replace the crap carpet with hardwood floors throughout the first level of the house, change up the landscaping in the front yard, this list can go on and on.

Know what you didn't say you would do? Fuck other women. That only came up in the face of a rejection. So do you really want to spin plates, or are you just looking for validation through sex and throwing in the towel on getting that validation from your wife?

Follow your MAP, slowly increase dread, and work on your frame. This isn't a quick fix but it does work. Once you're an attractive man with options, you'll be in a better place to decide if it's with your wife or with someone else.

In the meantime, maybe try initiating at different times. I know the kids make this a challenge but be creative. Limiting your initiations to bedtime make it tough to avoid coming across as butthurt if you get rejected and leave the room. If you already have somewhere to be it makes leaving easy. Bonus: when she starts responding to you positively, you can occasionally leave her hanging and make her wait for you.

[–]innominating2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

You’re not fit enough and socially autistic, which means you’re not attractive, which means you will have a difficult time spinning plates.

That being said, it may help for you to reframe why you are doing this from “to get my wife to fuck” to “so I’m attractive enough to spin plates.” Give it a try, it will reveal your weaknesses.

I can tell you one weakness: you’re too skinny fat. At 6’ 185 you need to be benching 280 to have anything near an ideal physique. Once you get there women will respond to you like you have an ideal physique, including your wife. Keep lifting and don’t fuckarounditis.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

My MAP has been centered on me being a high value man. Spinning plates was an anger reaction on my part. While I thought I handled leaving the room correctly, I'm sure she saw the butthurt boy scurrying away. My MAP is/was to improve my life and indirectly increase her atraction to me. Typing this reply, it looks like a covert contract. Would you concur?

I've been lifting steadily for the last year. I keep injuring my back due to poor form so I end up resetting weight and working on form. This hasn't been working so I need to stop the excuses and find a good coach to get me on the right track.

[–]becoming_alpha2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm sure she saw the butthurt boy scurrying away. My MAP is/was to improve my life and indirectly increase her atraction to me. Typing this reply, it looks like a covert contract.

Yes, she did. Not looking butthurt after a rejection (at least where you're at) means continuing normally while you think about how you're going to work your MAP. If it would be normal for you to read a book, do that. If it would be normal for you to roll over and go to sleep, do that.

Yes, that's a covert contract. The mindshift that needs to take place is your MAP makes you an attractive man because that's who you want to be, not so it'll make your wife more attracted. Wives can sniff out covert contracts with expectations from 3 miles away. You are doing this for you, not for her increased attraction so you can get your validation from her.

u/innominating is right, you're skinny fat. The bulk or cut question is easy. You need to cut until you're at 12% or so. Lifting while you cut will be to maintain the muscle mass you have. You need to dial in your nutrition to get that done. 50% carbs (complex only), 20% fat, 30% protein. I'd guess you'll be looking at around 2500 cal/day, but you need to do the math and dial that in for yourself. Bulk after you've hit 12%.

[–]2ndalRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

at six foot 185 his TDEE is going to be lower than 2500/day so he's not going to see any real cut unless he's eating at the sub 2k level, probably more like 1600-1800.

my method of cutting is 500 minus TDEE (using this calculator at default activity level) with 1g of protein per body weight pound. this is a slower cut but assumes you're still lifting heavy during it as to maintain muscle mass.

[–]becoming_alpha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm 6'2" 187 and was comparing my cut at 2800 cal/day this summer. But I've got much more muscle mass and my activity level is probably higher than OP.

Totally agree that 500 cal below TDEE is a healthy cut that will let you keep muscle mass. OP, use that calculator and do the math.

[–]FoxShitNasty831 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I paid £25 to a local gym on a one off to check my form... Well worth it

[–]innominating0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, this process is a tightrope. On one side you’re doing MRP for yourself and if your wife doesn’t respond, so what. On the other side you’re a dancing monkey doing MRP with the expectation that it will change your wife’s behavior. When it doesn’t, or doesn’t as quickly as you expect, you get angry.

I get it. I’ve been there.

When you’re angry you want her to know. You want her to change. The best way to get her to change is to act indifferent and up the dread. So, don’t leave the room. Act indifferent, for now.

Eventually, when you are attractive, which you’ll know and she’ll know because she’ll see other women flirting with you without you telling her or being overt about it, then you can up the dread.

I got a couple of hard no responses a year and a half ago and left the house for two hours each time immediately after, came home and took a shower. My wife never confronted me, or asked where I went. The implication was enough. She changed her behavior accordingly.

Essentially, she played the mean card and I removed all attention and she felt insecurity. She doesn’t want to feel that again, so she doesn’t hard no. Now if she gives the occasional soft no, she’ll tell me she’s wearing lingerie the next day because she knows I like it and she does.

All that being said I still have my ups and downs. I’m still wondering if I’m doing this primarily for sex and external validation. There are times I want to plug back in. I’ve had enough ONSs now with women in relationships to see how it only takes 45 minutes for a bitch to sneak into a hotel room, or car, or some guys office. And you would never know. Being the guy the bitch is fucking too many times has made me lose trust in women. I trust my wife about 85% and other than the occasional mild flirt or obvious attraction to a sports star or actor, she’s given me no reason not to trust her. But, when you see the matrix you see EVERYTHING. So, when she’s ovulating I’ll see her stand a little closer to a guy, or flip her hair, and 4 years ago it would have meant nothing to me. I wouldn’t have even noticed. Now, I see hypergamy.

[–]470_2_700_nm2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Hey buddy straight up your body fat is too high. Some on here would consider your lifts weak ass, mine as well. But I can’t emphasize enough the effect of body fat on your level of attractiveness.

Your magic number is 12%. Don’t worry my wife felt “dirty” around the kids as well until I was in the 12% realm. Once in the 12% realm I’ve hadn’t my dick in her mouth as close to 20 feet away while they were playing happily.

So just keep training. BTW it was my experience that the 12% body fat solicited other bitches attention withought very much effort if any. Your abundance mentality will come - keep going with lifts and body weight targets.

You will only want to focus on one of these at a time: bulking or cutting. IMO you need to cut right now and maintain your muscle mass. Read about how to do that and be fucking meticulous about it - I beleive you will gain the most from this effort in terms of your MAP.

Finally. The scheduled sex. Put a stop to that.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Thanks for the input. I know the macros to start dropping weight, I just haven't made it a priority. I waffle between wanting to gain muscle and leaning out. Obviously that isn't working as I'm not gaining strength nor do look great shirtless! I'm familiar with intermittent fasting and the RPE style training. With regard to your wife's behavior and limitations. Were BJ's a regular thing that she stopped doing or is this a new facet of her desire for you? My wife has a lot of hangups around sex and while I push the boundaries bit by bit BJ's, HJ's and anything outside of PIV is a showstopper. Initially I thought these could be overcome with time and me leading in the bedroom but so far it hasn't. My guess is there's still a shot but even before kids any flavor outside of vanilla would cause an abrupt stop. Scheduled sex has always been a turn off but after a week of no sex, it's take it or leave it. Typically she gets into it but requires a long warm-up.

[–]470_2_700_nm2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was always thirsty for BJ’s and she rarely gave them to me. And then when she did I was always trying to finish by BJ.

Now our sex life is different. We may start with a BJ but finish with what ever. If it makes sense and the flow of things are working then I finish in her mouth. If she wants to get fucked she may tell me or I’ll just decide. So the BJ dynamic has changed completely.

Additionally I plant it into her head much earlier than just hiping upon hope. I tell her early that I want my dick in her mouth, read her reaction, and calibrate accordingly. I game her. The calibration range is anywhere between pulling my dick out right there to leaving, and anything in between.

Course you have taken the conversation back to bj’s and buddy, I was there. But this is the matrix thing: once you know how to doge bullets you won’t have to.

Get those fucking macros going and cut all that fat down to 12%. Women will love that especially on a 6 foot frame.

BYW I bet I could fuck your wife any day or time of he week and get her to happily suck my dick too. You’ll get there if you want. It just may not be with your wife.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You have what I'm striving for. Something a little different each time without a hostage negotiation ensuing. That's where I'm failing, I haven't ascended to the pointwhere I lead and she follows. The matrix analogy is spot on. I've got the calories set and the macros set, I need to create a grocery list that will help me hit the targets and I'll work on that tonight. Thanks for your candor and advice. I should have posted here sooner!

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ll take it a little further. When you stop posting about she she she and more about strategy for women in general, and actually pull (and close with, or maybe not) some other sluts other than your wife you will be closer to where I am. And realize it’s always about improving on something manly. But mostly so about rule zero. Since being manly affects rule zero.

If I had a donkey of a wife so stubborn not to fuck me today unless it was scheduled - how long do you think it would take me to close somewhere else? How long would it take you? Are you willing? If no why not? What do you want in life? Are you prepared to get and take what you want?

I needed to answer these question. 12% body fat and lifting helped me do that.

[–]becoming_alpha0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've got the calories set and the macros set

What's your plan?

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've dropped my calories to 1900 a day. This has me on pace to drop around 1lbs. a week. I continue to lift heavy to keep what muscle I have until I reach 10% body fat. Body weight should be @ 165. I have calipers to track every two weeks and can adjust as necessary. So far it hasn't been too difficult working out at a deficit but as the weight increases, I'm sure I'll start struggling.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]RedPillCoach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The wife told me she has zero desire, not just for me but anyone. She went on about feeling 'dirty' with the kids in the house and how she is always thinking about it in the back of her mind. Yep, got it. I leave the room, she asks where I'm going, I state that 'I can't sleep' and retreat to my office to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I don't know if these feelings are legitimate on the part of your wife or if they are grounds for divorce. I do know that getting butthurt when your wife is revealing her true feelings is probably not the right strategy (unless you are going to be unable to hold frame during the ensuing conversation- then a tactical retreat might be OK).

how successful have you been in keeping your wife and spinning plates?

That depends on the guy. For most, not very.

dread level isn't high enough, that I'm not fit enough, that I'm socially autistic when it comes to passing the big shit tests,

Now we are making progress! Tell us more....and please don't degrade into butthurt!

I plan to simply tell her that I'll be seeking outside resources to have my physical needs met. The door will always remain open for her to return to main plate status as she's a great mother, good housekeeper, decent cook and a full time teacher.

Feel the butthurt? I do. You recognize your Dread Level is to low so instead of increasing it one level at a time you go straight to level 12? Interesting. Could you fuck up the MRP Plan worse if you tried even harder? Inquiring minds want to know this one.

Your WIFE just told you she has 0 desire for you or for anyone. Obviously this is a LONG TERM dealbreaker. However, in a marriage it is not usually a SHORT TERM deal breaker. You deal with it by setting the boundaries and asking the questions, and by SLOWLY increasing your Dread Game. If you do it right, the wife has time to catch up and change, and you have time to build yourself up so you could snag a tighter and wetter and younger model than this Wife 1.0. What are the questions? Things like: "Obviously you understand that this type of desire towards any husband is a long term dealbreaker for any marriage...so what can I do to help you fix this?

Her: I don't know...blah blah.

You: Taking control. First we have to rule out medical problems. Both of us need a physical and blood work to start......

If she is willing to work with you on the sexual dysfunctions then you can fix it. If she is not willing to work after that emotional confession, then you probably can't fix it. I would asses that first. In your case, IDGAF, Dread Game, and STFU are sure paths to divorce.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Do you have friends outside of the house? Do you have a gym membership? When I encounter your same situation, I pleasantly just peace out and go find something else to do. I would like it to be plates, but usually it is not. Usually go to the gym or reading or something to make myself a more valuable individual. Always be studying some shit, bro. women study facebook, you should study books.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The majority of my circle of friends have all moved to different cities. I keep in touch but literally see them once or twice a year. As an adult with two children, making new friends is a challenge but I need to get my head out of my ass and do it. I don't currently have a gym membership, I have a home gym with a squat rack. I see this as an opportunity to get out and possibly make some new friends with similar interests. You're point about studying, I needed to hear it. It's another endeavor I can pursue outside the house. Thanks for the feedback, it's apparent that always being available is hurting my approach. Yet another MRP foundation that I didn't believe applied to me!

[–]thewholefnshow5472 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, you said you want to do martial arts in your "what would you do without wife/kids" question. DO IT! Join a martial arts club. There's a guy in my club that has a 3 year old and 1 year old twins. You got no excuse, you are the only person standing in your way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Really take a look at audiobooks. Non-fiction stuff. It amazes me how much time people waste listening to the radio tell them about Trump or they listen to Maroon 5 and Yeezy. Could be learning a lot of shit instead. Utilize your time. Grow. Good luck, bro.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly how in the fuck does a man decide it will take 8 months to be attractive with options ?

Don’t talk about sex as a needy boy. Talk about sec as you are going to fuck get into orgasmic orbit

Kill the weekly schedule. You are now above that.

[–]slodojo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How old are your kids?

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

2.5 and 7. They have regular bedtimes and the latest is 8:30p.

[–]IRunYourRiver0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You are "actively gaming" your wife 14/15 days? First, that's a remarkable accomplishment. Second, why isn't it more effective? What's your game like? A little naughty? Sexually insinuating? It doesn't seem to be effective, whatever the case. I've really just barely begun learning how to game my wife and she has responded incredibly well to it. At DL 2 you're new at this too. Maybe something is off there.

[–]TryingToOwnIt[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've been trying to up the sexual frequency from once to twice a week. Thus the volume of active gaming. I keep it light, lots of innuendo, contact when passing by, sudden kisses, clearly I'm not a natural. I need to calibrate my advances better to her style and I haven't figured that out yet. I haven't read any game material outside of what I've read here in the sub so I need to change that. Glad it's going well for you, keep at it. I know this will work, I just need to better commit myself to the process.

[–]IRunYourRiver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We need a n00b support group. I find myself in this whirlwind of emotions most of the time and yet it's undeniable that my sexual frequency with my wife has skyrocketed and IOIs keep coming from other women in my life.

One other thing about your situation - you say you are batting .667 with initiation? That strikes me as damn good. As odd as it sounds, initiation isn't just about getting sex. It's about communicating to your wife that you are a sexual being and she can help you with that. And if she doesn't? Water off a duck's back. It is implied that you might get it somewhere else. You are a high value male. Look closely at instructions for DL1 -"not affected by her sexual denials". Memorize this phrase.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Based on your numbers, unless you're a climber or do loads of pull-ups, you're cheating on rows. Drop the weight and be strict with form.

WISNIFG: Fogging is a better approach than STFU, AA and AM need a ton of practice

Can you point me to the chapter where he talks about AA and AM? I must have missed that.

Get your testosterone levels checked and write them down. GP has no interest in checking my levels as I currently have no symptoms.

Kits can be bought online.

DL2 and you're skipping to ultimatum. You're a retard. Stop being a retard and you might get laid. Start by shutting the fuck up about sex and the relationship. You obviously haven't read the Rational Male Year 1 - you can't negotiate genuine desire.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Realize that spinning plates is a death sentence to your marriage. Don’t go Rambo, it never ends well. One dread level at a time.

Your lifts are not very impressive, but a good start. (Though your OHP is pretty impressive compared to your other lifts) Keep focusing and start cleaning up your diet. Gym is a priority, you can’t just go when you feel like it. You go 3-4 times a week no matter what.

Re-read NMMNG. You’ve got a covert contract going on. She doesn’t put out, you get pissed. Practice kino all day. No sex but flirt, touch her, tease her. Get her in the mood.



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