Q4RP If Red Pill ideas are universal truth why do they only appeal to people of a specific ideology?

PBRScagsquad · 2018-01-03T11:51:30+00:00

You are aware that there is a survey that proved that BP had almost completely far left beliefs while RP users were found to be more politically diverse right? Your generalisation is not as true as you think.

Johnny_Lawless_Esq · 2018-01-03T07:31:41+00:00

More than anything, it's a desire to be the opposite of what antagonizes them. The worst sort of feminists are invariably liberals, so what can you do to be as far as ideologically possible from them? Conservative! TRP loves T_D because the Donald drives liberals up the fucking wall.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a liberal, but I'm a sort of crusty, contrarian liberal. The big problem with leftist politics in the US today is that most of the left have become utterly ridiculous caricatures of themselves, and they aren't even aware of it. Social justice warriors, Black Lives Matter idiots, "AIDS Skrillex" and "Carl the Cuck." Literally any senior Democrat politician. All of these people are ridiculous clowns and are completely and irritatingly unaware of how ridiculous they and their ideologies are. Diane Feinstein, gun control hawk and holder of one of the only concealed carry permits issued in the County of San Francisco. Hillary Clinton and the Deplorables (band name idea?) Really, Hillary? Really? Remind me what is deplorable about a laid-off factory worker in Indiana who can't find work and whose son is hooked on pills because that's the only thing left to do in the dying town where they live? Tell me again how that helped?

Don't forget that the "alt-right," who are the core of the Trump crowd, hate the traditional republican establishment, too. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are another pair of ridiculous clowns. Doing their level best to gut healthcare regulation that they decry as "SERCIALERZM!" whilst enjoying the benefits of their own government-provided healthcare plans. Despite what I said about the left, the right aren't any less ridiculous; but the stuck-up self-righteousness of the left just makes them so much more insufferable, and it's perfectly ordinary and understandable human nature for people understandably disgusted by that to try to be as different from it as possible.

CharlesChrist · 2018-01-03T15:55:36+00:00

On the flip side almost all blue pillers, especially those in r/thebluepill tend to be left wing feminists.

Hystericalprince · 2018-01-03T06:23:33+00:00

If Evolution is the truth then why does it only appeal to people with a specific ideology?

crackrocksteady7 · 2018-01-03T06:35:56+00:00

Trump is TRP: the candidate. Grew his popularity by saying outrageous inflammatory crap that people spread around with "wow just wow" ing. TRP talks about the MSM lying to men all the time, I don't need to elaborate further on that. Grab them by the pussy may as well have been a TRP "field report"

If you're a man and you slurp down CNN's soya based product and, let's say, watch the new star wars movies without noticing all the blatant propaganda being shoved in your face, chances are you're going to both agree with both fourth wave campus feminism and you own atleast one article of clothing that says Drumpf on it

Eastuss · 2018-01-03T07:15:56+00:00

RP is a meritocratic mindset, BP is socialist mindset, as simple as that.

Plopolok · 2018-01-03T10:01:59+00:00

I'm a leftist man and I generally agree with RP theories, it's indeed not easy to reconcile: when you accept that women have a biological tendency to select egoist men, altruism doesn't seem such a good idea on which to base your political choices.

My philosophy is that these tendencies are wrong and society should repress them, just like we repress men's violent tendencies. And instead of aiming to be the "most alpha", I try to just get a reasonable share of pussy. Instead of looking up to men who are "higher" than me and include myself with them to feel above those who are lower, I tend to look for men lower than me and include them with me to stand against the ones who are higher. It's not constant of course, some Chads are nice and some incels are assholes, but statistically men with higher status, either economically and sexually, are more jerkish. I would compare men's role towards women to US soldiers in the Vietnam war: we have to protect them from oppression while they side with the oppressors. (But I don't think USA should have gone to Vietnam, it's not an ideal analogy).

the_calibre_cat · 2018-01-03T16:58:04+00:00

they don't

liberals claim not to support T.R.P, and sure, upon a rational evaluation they don't. but after telling off those horrible alt-right scumbags on Facebook, liberals go to bars, and hit on women, and game them, and employ plenty of T.R.P. tactics to get in her pants. the tall and muscular and sociable among them will succeed, and the skinny, short and balding among them probably won't.

actually buying some or all of T.R.P. predicts for rightism, just because a good chunk of it does melt the Disneyesque veneer that we were spoon-fed throughout childhood and young adulthood. Love doesn't work that way. It's not cheery. It takes effort, and women get pretty much 100% of the choice unless you're fortunate enough to be born with Chad genes. Once you accept even some of this, team blue doesn't just seem wrong, they seem either willfully ignorant to, at worst, deceitful.

I find myself much, much more annoyed with blues who I think are wrong than reds. I'll hear a red say, "Women are children" or that women should be submissive, and I'm like, whatever, like, I probably can't reason with that person. But then I hear a blue say something I disagree with, and - probably from the condescending, proselytizing manner in which it is usually said - I'm just far, far more annoyed by it

oneprettycoolcat · 2018-01-04T05:55:40+00:00

One of the big tenets of "The Red Pill" is that the reason you're not getting laid is because you're not lifting enough or whatever. This goes hand in hand with the just-world fallacy that forms the basis of the American right-wing. So, it's not really much of a surprise that the two go hand in hand.

On the other hand, a lot of "blue pill" people express a very similar belief. "You're not getting laid because you're secretly a horrible person and women can somehow tell." It's the same thing on both sides just the catalyst is different.

In any case, I probably align more closely with "The Red Pill" here but I'm also a staunch feminist and don't really see any conflict between the two ideologies (Or, at least what I consider to actually be feminism.)

AlanHalworth · 2018-01-03T06:36:24+00:00

This is a good question. In the past I was quite liberal, but I found myself having right-wing thoughts after reading a lot of RP stuff about relationships. By now, while I am still liberal overall, I have some empathy for the right-wing perspective. I think there is a connection. One possible connection is that right-wing people tend to view certain other people as dangerous or threatening. (I don't mean this as an attack on the right, just a description.) Trump likes to attack immigrants and Muslims, for instance. For RP men, certain women are perceived as threatening or dangerous. This would include women who cuckold men, women who unfairly divorce men, and so forth.

One connection might be that dominance is viewed as an appropriate response to a serious threat. If women, immigrants, etc. are dangerous, then dominance is justified as a response.

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Salty-Bastard · 2018-01-03T07:01:56+00:00

A vote for Trump was a vote in anger against the status quo, the middle class is tired of getting fucked over by rich people, poor people, sjws, political correctness, academics, government regulation, etc. it's a sad day when American politics gave us those two horrible choices to choose from, they're both disgusting humans, one was an insider crook, one was an outsider crook, people went with the outsider as a statement of disgust. The sad part is that neither party has gotten the hint that if you come to the middle you'll win in a landslide.

despisedlove2 · 2018-01-03T14:01:33+00:00

I am a liberal. Neither left nor right of center. My voting history since 2000:

Gore, Bush, Obama, Obama, Trump.

Given that my choice has gone on to win 4 times out of 5 (and the fifth time, he was cheated and acted stupidly), I can be considered the very picture of majority American opinion over the last 5 Presidential cycles.

Maybe you should be asking the converse question - why do BP ideas appeal to left-wingers? Might it have something to do with the fact that feminism is just postmodernist Marxism, repackaged?

prodigy2throw · 2018-01-03T14:02:38+00:00

The problem here is even if someone mildly approves of Donald they get labeled in the T_D group. Just because I prefer him over Hillary doesn’t make me one of those losers. I’m even banned from that sub.

reluctantly_red · 2018-01-03T14:15:35+00:00

I'm very liberal and have found I agree with a lot (but certainly not all) RP "truths". I checked out TRP for entertainment value -- I was expecting it to be absurd -- in some ways it is absurd -- but I also found a lot of keen observations about women and dating. RP "truths" describe my ex-wife to a tee (she's the type specimen for AWALT).

truedemocracy3 · 2018-01-03T14:18:31+00:00

This is simple enough. While not a direct 1 for 1, The Red Pill does have ties to politics. TRP is all about SELF improvement, and control of your OWN destiny. That the world owes you nothing and every failure is YOUR OWN fault. Sound like anything? That is the foundation of conservatism and libertarianism.

TRP responds to strength. That means not caring who you are offending, not being PC, and focusing on the truth. Like I said it isnt correlated but if you give me a group of conservative men and liberal men you will be more likely to see alpha traits in the former and beta traits in the latter.

InformalCriticism · 2018-01-03T15:11:30+00:00

I liked the comment I received the other day quoting Marx, basically saying "[you're foolish to defend a system in which you are not a beneficiary]". This is post-modernism in a nutshell, and it is the driving force between tribalism and identity politics, that you need to grab the most you can by any means necessary - truth be damned.

Cross that with a Q4RP recently that asked about political ideology for liberals, and a fair amount of liberals dropped their 2¢, though they admitted there was a disproportionate amount of political slant toward conservatism.

Leftist rhetoric will dismiss universal truths if they do not benefit them or their comrades. Conservatives (though, not necessarily alt-right types) adhere to principles such as truth, integrity, loyalty, tradition, etc. The counter to leftist rejection of universal truth is a far-right justifications of means in order to attain right-wing(ish) ends.

Post modernism has created this quasi-conservative alt right anti-truth, but for the sake of those who value conservatism.

But, I really don't know anymore. This shit is fucked up.

Dubslav_von_Chekem · 2018-01-03T15:11:56+00:00

I supported Hillary.

daveofmars · 2018-01-03T22:17:18+00:00

Simply put, a right wing ideology puts the individual first - not the group. If you fuck up, it's likely your fault. The silver lining to that thinking is that you can improve your situation by improving yourself.

In contrast, left wing ideologies blame all people's problems on hierarchy and systemic oppression, which deters believers from taking a good hard look at what they are doing wrong with their lives and improving on it. Blaming a collective group for personal failure is a very appealing ideology for life's losers. Not saying that being left makes you a loser, or that all lefties are losers, but that losers are attracted to leftist politics the same way that entrepreneurs are attracted to Libertarian politics.

Similarly, it's not all that surprising that self-help with a focus on personal improvement and crushing your current modern assumptions about sex and gender is appealing to people with an individualist and traditionalist mindset. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Entropy-7 · 2018-01-04T02:13:20+00:00

I suppose the flip side is to ask why people with a certain political ideology refuse to accept certain universal truths.

User-31f64a4e · 2018-01-20T05:11:10+00:00

Are you suggesting that there are no ideologies which conflict with truth?

[deleted] · 2018-01-03T11:24:51+00:00

Oh I think it appears to attract a certain type of ideology because the ideologies in question that you mentioned are in the business of blaming “others” for their problems. Like Jews, immigrants, non-white people, etc.. some of the worst elements of trp then just add women to the list. Their failures bitterness and anger can be funneled toward these “others.” That’s how they are manipulated into voting against their own interests and why they tolerate open anti-semitism etc.

As far as the larger red pill truths which are actually true, most people know how things work because they saw it with their own eyes in school.

VUELO_LA · 2018-01-03T08:32:06+00:00

Because it’s meant for MEN. Not wimps

Title	Q4RP If Red Pill ideas are universal truth why do they only appeal to people of a specific ideology?
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Date	January 3, 2018 6:23 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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