"Who is the male gatherer? He is the male who claims he has embraced equality; however, he has actually embraced laziness when it comes to dating. He is the guy who let's the women come to him."

wtknight · 2017-02-02T20:55:09+00:00

I always had lower SMV women interested in me when I was passive. To make women of an equal SMV attracted to me I had to be the aggressor. I don't know the author's background, but this is the type of thing that frustrated women write because the men they think should be attracted to them are actually out of their league and thus not approaching them for relationships.

anitapk · 2017-02-02T20:15:00+00:00

I think she wants to scream WHORE to the women who reach out for men, forcing her to move her ass if she wants some tool, but she can't because feminism.

I think many arguments feminists, even those who talk about "serious" things are about criticizing the players (men) but not the game that women run - porn, hookup culture, raising beauty standards multiple baby mamas and stuff like that

ifyoustayready · 2017-02-02T21:49:41+00:00

I think she is a bit salty that a lot of men have adapted to hookup culture. Starting to hear a lot of this from all walks of women. As we're commonly aware, the system and corresponding institutions are not favorable for men so many have become reticent in a full on commitment of marriage.

What's also missed here is the component of female leadership that's involved in both sides coming together. If you want a settled stable life with someone, you have to make strides to exude that through your behavior. A lot of women have completely ignored this in favor of their needs and requirements to have a good time in their teens, 20's and sometimes 30's, but once the infamous biological clock starts ticking a bit louder, fancy a masculine bloke to swoop in and get down with the program of making babies because the timing is right for her.

Nevermind whatever sacrifices that means for a man. If you don't rearrange your life when she says so to complete her life vision of want she wants, then you obviously must not be man enough. Laughable as best, but also sadly myopic in scope.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-02-02T21:28:23+00:00

Yeah today's feminism is tomorrow's misogyny. Since feminism is an attempt to make the female drive for hypoagency into a theory of how the world works, we will always have stuff like this and be blamed for everything.

Today, if you treat women equally you're a misogynist because you aren't doing enough to support women.

A generation ago, if you didn't treat women equally you were a chauvinist who thinks women should stay at home.

A generation before that, men who didn't work hard so that their wives could stay home and not have to work shitty jobs were bums.

A generation before that, women were "fighting" for the right to vote, which men held back from them because they are mean.

A generation before that, women thought politics was a dirty, petty, and masculine business that was beneath a lady, and it was much better to let her husband do that shit work.

There is NO route of appeasement with feminism.

Archibald_Andino · 2017-02-03T01:25:04+00:00

The big elephant in the room is that men are scolding and shamed from a very early age that "pursuing" is often synonymous with harassment, rape culture, not "respecting women", etc, etc.

So much so, that the only places where women effectively give men permission to approach them (without being accused of being an axe murderer) is at bar, club, party or similar type of social event. The same guy who is successful at party would have a much more difficult time with the same girl if he bumped into at the supermarket.

Joey992 · 2017-02-03T18:25:01+00:00

This woman needs to stop being a little bitch and just approach the men she's interested in. Take it from me, it's really not that difficult, and it's usually worth the tiny amount of risk. Oftentimes the man will take over the pursuit after you approach, he just needs to be confident that you're interested.

exit_sandman · 2017-02-02T19:47:08+00:00

who cares? this is one tradcon-sounding woman's opinion on some dating blog. if men don't want to pursue women good on 'em, they don't owe anyone anything.

[deleted] · 2017-02-02T21:04:19+00:00

I think it's a pretty good description of what I do. I pursue casual relationships, however when it comes to relationships it has been women escalating the level of commitment. If I am uncomfortable with the level of commitment or believe the cost is too much I just bail. Seems like a pretty popular dating strategy among people today.

SmurfESmurferson · 2017-02-02T19:24:20+00:00

I'm confused, what's your issue with this?

I thought TRP was all about embracing natural gender roles, including courting roles.

Look, I'm a feminist, but even I think we have very real brain wiring differences that manifest themselves in different behavioral patterns. Human interaction has been set up on the premise of men pursuing women since the dawn of time.

cnzs · 2017-02-02T20:18:59+00:00

What does this have to do with red pill?

It's about guys with lots of options who are lazy in relationships and avoid commitment. The vast majority of red pill guys have very limited options so I don't see what this has to do with them.

tiposk · 2017-02-02T20:01:17+00:00

What do you mean? That women embrace equality but dislike it when men embrace it too? To give the author some slack, I don't think she's one of those women that goes around embracing equality. If anything, she's your average traditionalist that embraces gender roles within relationships. If she thinks that equality should only exist when it comes to equal pay for equal work, good for her.

Personally I disagree. I believe in biology, but I think that biology gave us the possibility to adapt our behavior to different conditions. I don't think that many of our behaviors are hardwired and unable to change. I have reasons to believe that the whole "men pursues women vs. women pursue men" is an issue of communication. There existed some conditions that pushed gender roles to be that way. It is possible that today these conditions don't exist anymore, but tradition persists. There's nothing inherently bad with a woman being the one who pursues. However, men have learnt to be pursuers. If the man doesn't pursue the woman, the woman assumes he thinks to highly of himself or he isn't interested. I find this to be unfortunate.

[deleted] · 2017-02-03T10:53:26+00:00

Who is the male gatherer? He is the male who claims he has embraced equality; however, he has actually embraced laziness when it comes to dating.He is the guy who let's the women come to him. He does not pursue women. He is very self-centered. His take is, "If women want equality, let her prove herself to me."

Yeah. This is what I want. I want to be pursued. I want to be made to feel desired and lusted after. IOIS don't make me feel appreciated or desired, despite the fact that the girls are attractive. So what? It could very possibly be that an hour before she was sending me IOIS she was doing it to some other guy.

She was flirting with another guy for attention. Most likely she wants me to approach her as to have her beauty or self-esteem validated. Iam not going to approach a god damn girl in the bus or the subway. You know how the other people there would see me? They'd think I'm a creep, that I'm harassing the poor girl.

Now if the girl asked me the time of the day or inquired about directions, not only would no one see the girl as creeping on me but I would also appreciate that she took a gamble and made a move.

Why can't men experience true equality? Why do women want to be pursued and asked out on dates and to have the dude pay for it? Why can't women ask a guy out instead or make the first move?

I don't consider IOIS as making a move. Do I get a job by looking at the ad on the newspaper? Will I get the job if I look at my interviewer and play with my hair?

Then why would a man jump at the ''chance'' to strike a conversation with a girl just because she looked him up and down ?So what? I see girls everyday I find to be attractive. Doesn't mean I want to talk to them or get to know them.

Who is to say the girls are single? Why would they be single in the first place? lol. They're young and attractive. If they are single.. what's wrong with them? Why don't they have a boyfriend? I'm sure they come across plenty a Chad.

This part pretty much speaks for itself. Equality is only supposed to benefit women. When a man tries to enjoy the same privileges that women previously have, in dating, he is labelled as self-centered and lazy.

Dude, you have no idea. I've been told by blue pill women to go out and approach women and ''get laid'' like I'm Ryan Gosling or something. Oh heyyyyy grll, come to my VIP table and let me buy you some nice liquor and can I get a blow for some blow? lol.

I've also been told here by other BP women that I have to approach women and made them feel desirable, that the reason I've never slept with a woman the same night I met her is due to my low self-esteem and my tendency to put women ona pedestal and women are turned off by that. Nevermind that women can't even figure out when a dude(Ted Bundy) wants to axe-chop their asses, women can detect how low my self-esteem is and I'm rejected over that..

This one is where shit hits the fan. Women should met seek her, but she's already stated that men who let women seek them are lazy and are abusing "equality."

What? Men are abusing equality by wanting to feel like they are worth something to women other than the utlity and the resources we can bring? We shouldn't want to feel like we are the object of desire? Every book, every game. Every movie. It doesn't matter how Chad or Alpha the guy is. He still has to impress the girl.

The only time I remember seeing a girl being truly equal in a video game was when the chick approached the guy and told him he was the best-looking guy around them. I have also seen women do this IRL with chads.

Is it so bad? Do women hate it so much? That men want to experience what's it like to be a chad/woman for a day? To be approached and to be the center of someone trying to woo you instead of you having to impress the girl?

A man has to adhere to traditional gender roles. If he didn't his father didn't teach him how to be a man properly.

A man has to adhere to whatever women want him to adhere, to what is of gain to them. I've had sluts tell me they'd only sleep with me if I've dated them. I was looking at them and laughing because no one in his right mind would date a girl who sucked dick for free, the dick attached to dudes who didn't even bother to learn her name and then expect some other dude to pay for it?

Sorry, I am against prostitution.

A man has to adhere to traditional gender roles. If he didn't his father didn't teach him how to be a man properly.

What??? A man is obliged to give a relationship to a woman even when he's not getting what he wants out of it??

LSTW1234 · 2017-02-02T19:43:20+00:00

That's just one woman's opinion, and she's wrong. If it's true that men are becoming less willing to approach, that's a good thing in my opinion. I'm not sure that's true though, at least certainly not to the extent she claims it is. She's probably an uggo.

kiirme · 2017-02-03T06:06:09+00:00

BP here, what a stupid article.

Entropy-7 · 2017-02-03T19:08:49+00:00

Women complain about unwanted attention, then others or even the same ones will complain about not enough attention.

The first part is easy: women want to be hit on by hunky guys. then it gets all confusing. Maybe a guy knows he's not hunky and so doesn't approach; maybe a doesn't know how awkward he is and then does approach.

The thing in, guys are not mind readers and you won't probably know what she thinks until you approach.

winterfrostland · 2017-02-02T21:57:19+00:00

This is how western society works. Women get to have their cake and eat it too, and they have that privilege because men let them have it. The men that don't want to contribute to such a culture are socially shamed.

No point blaming "women" for this, as the wider culture is the issue and men constantly shill for women.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2017-02-02T19:38:33+00:00

Sounds like a pretty good description of myself. I think 3 out of 5 long term gfs asked me out. I like it, much less hassle without having to worry about rejection.

Not sure what we are suppose to discuss here tho.

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[deleted] · 2017-02-04T18:09:35+00:00

Reading the comments and howling. This is seriously hilarious.

[deleted] · 2017-02-03T07:47:57+00:00

Women would be approached more if they had more to offer. Only chaste or monogamous women are entitled to relationships.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-02-02T23:37:30+00:00

Chances are high that he didn't have a father to teach him how to be a man

I mean my dad did try in his defense, none of it sticked tho

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