Q4RP: Is RP theory universal? On what kind of women would RP tactics /not/ work?

Littleknownfacts · 2017-01-16T12:42:40+00:00

It works on the women they want.

They want the women it works on.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2017-01-16T12:40:15+00:00

I'm only purple, but I think most RPers will admit that "unicorns" exist and that, indeed, Not All Women Are Like That.

AWALT, from what many RPers say, is a tactic meant to encourage the de-pedastalization of women generally. Its about making Red Pillers think in terms of the average/typical woman and to not think of women as special-perfect-magical-creatures.

I don't particularly like AWALT because, well, unicorns exist and I happen to think TRP underestimates the frequency of atypical women. However, the point is that I think TRPers will generally admit that there are, in fact, exceptions to RP theory.

The more intelligent/cerebral/rational-temperament type of woman is certainly less likely to be receptive to TRP tactics. That said, this style of temperament is very much an outlier both amongst women and men.

[deleted] · 2017-01-16T16:30:13+00:00

RP works on all women.

Because looking your best, being socially adept, being in shape, getting really good at your job, earning good money, having interesting hobbies and pastimes, setting good boundaries, and refusing to put up with shit from people, and refusing to let women take advantage of you, works on pretty much every woman.

Does that mean that if I am all those things, that every single woman will be attracted to me? Of course not. Does that mean more women would be attracted to me than if I were really failing in a couple of those areas? Yeah.

The texting game advice,

It's better than nonstop talk talk talk on text. Texting game advice is to set up an in person meeting.

shit test replies,

A lot of guys need advice on how to respond when being shit tested. What, they should say in a serious voice "yes those pants make your ass look fat" when taht's true? Or they should say "no, no, those look great" when they don't?

sidebar advice on relationships,

Good advice for most men who have gotten from Blues "just be nice, just be yourself, don't change, youdon't need to change, a woman will love you just for who you are... someday, you will just have to wait"

sex

Sexual behavior of men and women is quite a bit different from the way it used to be. Men and women are quite a bit more sexually open and free. Most women have sex pretty much whenever they want, with whomever they want.

communication

It's better advice than blues give them, which is "tell her everything, wear your heart on your sleeve, tell her all your feelings, if your relationship isnt' working it means you as the man need to "communicate better" and "communicate more" and "share all your feelings" when these men have done all these things and more and it still isnt' working

Eastuss · 2017-01-16T13:07:40+00:00

All women are human beings, their reproduction mode is the same, their basic behaviour will be to optimise the two rules of life: survive and reproduce. It's safe to say they'll share a certain amount of behaviours toward men, TRP tries to speak what those behaviours are.

The meaning and the form are important notions. The meaning is what you want to express, the form is how you express it, most of the form you'll encounter on TRP are somewhat cringy because the form is just wrong toward your culture, personality and social class.

Women's primitive behaviour won't change from one to another, but what may change is their will to overcome it, their knowledge of it, their acceptance of it. That's where the form matters, most women described in field reports are embracing their sexuality and hypergamy and will accept crude approaches.

There are obviously broken women that don't have these behaviours, because they don't have the right instincts, or because their encoded optimisations are sub optimal, but it's more uncommon than you would think.

alreadyredschool · 2017-01-16T12:58:38+00:00

Doesn't work on fat or ugly or highly insecure women.

Op you call it cringy, now I am hooked, explain the tactics how you think they are executed and let us decide.

statsfodder · 2017-01-16T13:22:41+00:00

Guess I'll go over to TBP to see the condensed view of RP replies? Probably with a title like:

"TRP believes their misogyny works on XYZ women!.. wow they are silly little man-children"

ppdthrowawai · 2017-01-16T13:50:37+00:00

Does RP strategy work on all women?

In my experience, no. But I suppose you could always tailor your strategy to seek out what you're looking for. There are no rules that say you have to do it a certain way.

If not, what kind of women? What are they like?

IME it works pretty poorly on insecure women, especially sexually insecure women. They wouldn't do well with the fact that I am open and lead with my sexuality and was seeing other women. It also didn't work for me on women who aren't open to experience or introverted. I found girls with these qualities were the first to cave in on themselves and probably needed a slower approach. I just never stuck around to find out if it would work because I'd eventually get bored. Also, demanding and easily offended women didn't do well. They don't like solid frame that doesn't bend to fit their belief systems.

What do you think of them?

It was the most efficient method I've ever used for filtering or nexting women I didn't care for. Generally they usually liked me and it was a matter of if I enjoyed their company. I didn't think much of the women I nexted. There were quite a few that seemed somewhat cool that I just didn't have time for. Most of the ones who stuck around were fun aside from a little nuttiness. My SO is amazing or else she wouldn't be around.

Drakonlord · 2017-01-16T16:45:22+00:00

When RP is done correctly, you wont ever see it coming.

I have a friend, who never has heard of RP but is lmbasically 100% RP.

His 'tactics' are a smile, a wink, a self-affirmation. Basically he just tells everyone he is top shit. 40+ women and hes 22, been with some model-tiered women as well. Every girl likes him.

He makes a lot of girls cry,but the same.ones wake up.in his bed the next morning.

Entropy-7 · 2017-01-16T17:53:40+00:00

TRP stuff works on maybe 30% of women if done poorly and almost 90% of women if done well. The bloopy PPD women have the self-flattering idea that a Red Pill man could never seduce them; they are more likely part of the iffy 60% rather than the obstinate 10%. It is a comfortable fiction that all TRP members are spergy, awkward and obvious; that TRP is the opposite of nuanced or savvy.

NalkaNalka · 2017-01-16T12:45:29+00:00

When we are talking about people no way of going about things is going to work with everyone. People are too varied for that. What you can do is increase your chances.

There is really not a specific "type" of woman that RP works on. It's really most women. I have gone out with just about all types, rockers girls, family types, artsy chicks, feminists, religious girls, career girls etc.

The only type that I have seen it not work on is the prissy uptight Dolores Umbridge type that loves to be miserable and make everyone else miserable.

Of course your own personal vibe/look is going to rub some people the wrong way. Everyone has little quirks and predilections so abundance mentality is important.

As an aside, any advice on human interaction, if it's specific, when read will sound cringey. Even "how to win friends and influence people". Nobody wants to know what's in the sausage.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-01-16T13:45:24+00:00

I don't trust your perception of RP to be correct. You as a woman view it through a different lens. Your POV couldn't possibly be useful here unless you had godlike self-awareness, which human beings do not.

I also think you have wrong expectations of TRP. It's not your friend. It works against you. You want to get married. You want to be able to slut it up in youth and find a nice guy later. You like your life as a woman and you think feminism is essential to a civilized society. You think the society is prospering.

Well guess what, TRP has a different opinion on that. No marriage. Not with sluts, at least. There is no place for a man in the feminist world. There is no longer family as it should be. The only really decent ways to go at it is to either become a player using PUA tricks, or to abandon any hope of having any kind of a meaningful future with a woman. The society is in decline.

[deleted] · 2017-01-16T17:46:53+00:00

It depends on what you take as RP strategy. If your idea of RP is having solid boundaries, standards, independence, and health. Then RP works not just on women, or a subset of women, it works on men as well. I find people that like to argue against the material present there are usually fixated on some idea they find personally inflammatory.

SetConsumes · 2017-01-16T19:40:16+00:00

Yes it works on all women. I'm mostly surrounded by educated UMC women, all of them have some feminist values, some identify as such. Everything RP says holds true for them.

My real test was seeing if it worked on normal girls, party girls, not nerds, and women who are highly feminine. And yeah, everything holds true for them too, the differences are mostly superficial between party girls, nerdy girls, and career girls.

But, I don't follow any formulas, I use rp principles. Tactics are basics of flirting and conversation making, holding frame, having fun.

Electra_Cute · 2017-01-16T12:51:07+00:00

but there's just so many I don't recognize at all

Once you begin reading more and more experiences of RP men, one may realize that a lot of their experiences are bias or problems for lower to lower-middle class castes.

I can't ever imagine being attracted to a guy that has internalized RP tactics

The point is that once the man gets skilled enough at "RP tactics" it becomes unnoticeable.

The texting game advice, shit test replies, sidebar advice on relationships, sex and communication, so cringy

http://attractioninstitute.com/the-difference-between-a-pua-and-a-naturally-attractive-man/

They are essentially mimicking the traits of a "Naturally Attractive Man".

there are women where RP tactics wouldn't work

In theory, if a man uses "RP tactics" correctly like I stated earlier, it will not be noticeable. If you spend enough time with that man, you may begin to notice something after a while. But if the goal is to just casual sex, it really will not matter.

I'm thinking I'm just lucky that I hang out with, know and see mostly great men and women who interact in a very different way than what is described in TRP

You probably will not have to worry about meaning any of them.

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quicklogaccount · 2017-01-16T16:10:52+00:00

The question is related to RP strategies for picking up women, specifically.

These "strategies" are heavily derived from PUA community. Derived or unchanged. The subject you ask is well written about over there.

Title	Q4RP: Is RP theory universal? On what kind of women would RP tactics /not/ work?
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Date	January 16, 2017 12:22 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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