CMV: Women are people first, women second.

KrispyMcSockington · 2016-11-01T15:33:28+00:00

Post title: Women are people first.

Body text: "...no matter what women are women."

So...are they women first or people first? Your post and title do not match. Considering your blue flair, this is incredibly red of you to acknowledge that women are different from men and that they need to be treated as women.

KrispyMcSockington · 2016-11-01T12:12:01+00:00

The main problem women encounter in society is this: women have a sort of dual nature. One is sexual, and it is all about how pretty she is, about creating a certain polarity with a potential male etc., the other is non-sexual. This is who the woman is as a person (notice that OP claims this makes the woman 'masculine' lol). It is what books and films she likes, what her hobbies are, how she is as a friend, what her job is etc.

Most problems within society are caused by men acting the way OP says (creating sexual polarity) in an environment in which she is being her 'person' self. She is in a bookshop and the assistant touches her inappropriately or tries to flirt. She is delivering a speech and men make remark on her figure/face and on whether they would fuck her.

Yesterday it was Halloween, I and many other women were enjoying ourselves. Go on the Red Pill, and there is the typical autistic circlejerk remarking on how Halloween is a disgusting 'feminist' holiday (if that makes sense). This is the problem women face: they are just going about their lives and they have to deal with male aggressiveness and some men hating them for being anything other than their sex objects.

alreadyredschool · 2016-11-01T12:03:57+00:00

Ok despite what I just wrote under the automod there are exceptions (especially since it's a rather absolute statement).

she'll just stay in masculine mode and nothing will happen.

In my bro group is one girl that always was the boyish girl and barely had female friends. Once we nearly made out (I stopped her) and she offered me blow jobs despite knowing my girlfriend. Around attractive and high status girls women will always signal availability.

Nothing will happen is just too harsh, it will significantly lower the chances and it shouldn't be advised but sometimes it still can happen.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-11-01T12:14:36+00:00

Your thread title seems to contradict the body of your post, so it's hard to know which view you want changed. If there's a greater chance of success in attracting a woman by treating her like a woman, then perhaps your title should read "Women are women first, people second." Because if you tell men to treat women like an "equal person," then that would mean treat them like "another dude." And that doesn't work to attract them, according to you.

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drok007 · 2016-11-01T12:34:02+00:00

No it's the other way around. When things don't have a male/female gender, we refer to them as it and they are not even close to human, just things. Women are humans, but most BPers forget that women are female humans.

theiamsamurai · 2016-11-01T13:26:35+00:00

If you have to treat her in a special way for her to be attracted to you then how is she a person first if you can't treat her the same way you treat most people? (I say most since most guys have more man friends than woman friends)

I could use the same argument you're using to say dogs are people first, dogs second. It's not exactly a sound argument, because there's no substance to it.

Women are women first if most of your relevant interactions with them as a man have to be coddled to them for friendship, or molded into an oscar winning confidence and security performance for mating. All of this sprinkled with a lot of "women are wonderful effect", because remember, they showed in studies that women perceive men who treat them in an egalitarian manner as misogynists.

iponi · 2016-11-01T18:02:32+00:00

Doesn't your title say the opposite of the body of your post? Or was it meant that way?

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Entropy-7 · 2016-11-01T14:05:18+00:00

As a business colleague? Ok. As a potential fuck partner, NOOOOOOOOOOO

AWALT

BiggestOfBosses · 2016-11-05T23:11:56+00:00

if you treat her like another dude

while I don't call them up for pick up football or other mostly male activities, I pretty much treat girls like guys and I like to think that they appreciate it. I always cringe when I'm hanging out with someone who swears like a motherfuckler but the second a girl enters his field of vision he starts acting all polite like, telling me not to swear or act more "gentlemanly" I guess. fuck that noise.

Also, while I do agree with the women are people first statement, you have to realize that men see women as women first, then people. that's how I see it.

lbspredh · 2016-11-01T12:41:55+00:00

People are whatever use I have for them first, and people second

Title	CMV: Women are people first, women second.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	9
Comments	83
Date	November 1, 2016 11:22 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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