When you say "most women are like that", what exactly does "most" mean?

prodigy2throw · 2016-05-06T18:46:59+00:00

Most women means enough of the population where adapting certain strategies is more likely than not going to leave you better off.

alreadyredschool · 2016-05-06T17:41:43+00:00

Most women sleep around a lot in their youth - 20%, if you count serial monogamy 90%

Most divorces are initiated by women - 60%

Most women cheat - 80% if you count branch swining as cheating, otherwise 30%

Most women expect their man to pay for most or all living expenses - 50%

Most divorce has the man paying alimony (also, how long do you think alimony usually lasts?) - 90% // 10 years

Most divorce leaves the man without custody of this kids (also, how much do you think men usually pay in child support?) - 70% // 800€ in america probably several thousand dollars

Most women don't settle down until after their prime, in their 30s - 80%

Most women are not attracted to their husbands - 40%

Most women would have degrading sex that she is normally opposed to for a hot enough guy - 30% (the rest likes that kind of sex)

Most women wouldn't be happy dating an emotional guy - 10%, depends on your definition

Most women are unhappy if they have to lead the relationship - 95%

Most women would be unhappy married to a guy who makes less than her - 70%

All numbers +/- 20%

You should change "most women" to "hot, single, DTF" then the numbers get +0-30%.

Femininity and awalt are tightly correlated, masculine or androgynous women (read the ones you don't want to fuck) behave different and I didn't include them in my assessment. They are outliers, hot feminine women who behave differently are unicorns.

kick6 · 2016-05-06T19:32:18+00:00

1SD from the mean, generally, but oftentimes 2SD to a different degree.

ifelsedowhile · 2016-05-06T18:16:34+00:00

most women are into tall men.

Entropy-7 · 2016-05-06T18:03:52+00:00

I suppose before one could define "most", you will have to define your terms.

sleep around
initiate
cheat
most (living expenses)
disputed custody or including agreed custody terms?
settle down
attracted
degrading
emotional
lead

Nazrath2112 · 2016-05-06T18:22:05+00:00

Your question is actually 2 different questions.

What % does "Most" comprise in a statement.
Please apply % to these statements which have most as the numerical moniker.

I am going to answer the first question. For me, in any statement, the moniker of "Most", would equate out to about 70%. If the % was any different then I would not use "most".

Answering the second question, and without applying a value judgement to your use of 'Most' for these statements, I would say that again "most" is 70% of the time.

If you would like me to give my opinion of what you have written as most and if they should be, a few, some or all; that would be a different question.

nomdplume · 2016-05-06T19:01:54+00:00

So many of these standards are too vague for me to address meaningfully, so I'll just give you my view on a few:

Most women sleep around a lot in their youth

Many women I know have either had at least one casual sex encounter (more, if you count sleeping with someone you think you want to have a committed relationship with prior to actually having affirmatively obtained that commitment, which I think, by definition, is "casual sex"). I have found most women are open to the idea of casual sex with the "right guy", or at least not waiting on the sex part for the "right guy."

Most divorces are initiated by women

This is backed up by stats, is it not? Whether they felt "forced" to or not, they are still initiating more than men.

Most women cheat

A lot do. I don't think "most", but it's at least conceivable that a small majority does, given the stats.

Most women expect their man to pay for most or all living expenses

Yes and no. I think most women expect their men to "take care of them" and to "protect and provide." Whether that translates directly into "pay for most or all living expenses" or not probably depends on the individual, but there is an expectation there, even if the woman is also working and bringing in money.

Most women don't settle down until after their prime, in their 30s

In my demographic, this seems to be fairly true. Maybe 25/75 under 30/over 30. Of course, many/most live together for an extended time prior to marriage, so some definitely start "settling down" when they are in their late-twenties.

Most women are not attracted to their husbands

No idea the actual numbers. I know a lot who don't have the same desire for their husbands (nor the same respect and admiration, which stands to reason as I believe those are all connected) that they did at the beginning. Some will vehemently advocate that they are still just as "attracted" to them as ever, but their actions don't really align with that.

Most women would have degrading sex that she is normally opposed to for a hot enough guy

Yes, if they are turned on enough, women will do almost anything, IME. Though, they won't see it as "degrading" if they are super turned on and guy is hot/sexy enough. It will be "liberating" or "an adventure" or "kinky" or whatever.

Most women wouldn't be happy dating an emotional guy

Depending on what you mean by an emotional guy, this is true. Moreso for LTRs/marriage, though.

Most women are unhappy if they have to lead the relationship

Generally true, yes. I haven't met many women who act like they are happy in that situation, even if they say that they are "fine with it."

Most women would be unhappy married to a guy who makes less than her

Depends on why he makes less than her and what he is doing to make up for his lack of financial investment in the family. Also, kids play an enormous factor in this. What was "just fine" prior to kids becomes untenable after having kids. Maternal anxiety is a bitch...

Wumpus1 · 2016-05-06T19:44:17+00:00

AWALT and its associated concepts is the idea that until something is either proven or disproven, assume and prepare for the worst case scenario.

"most" means "more likely than not". I will make the assumption that a girl is basic as fuck and superficial until her actions prove me otherwise. I am sure most women who are attractive have a similar approach when first meeting a new potential suitor.

phantasic79 · 2016-05-06T20:01:39+00:00

Technically Most = 51%

[deleted] · 2016-05-06T17:46:44+00:00

>75% of the women who live in my city that are in a similar age bracket

[deleted] · 2016-05-06T23:18:05+00:00

For me, I see the AWALT (and RP in general) praxeologically, i.e. I interpret it all in the form of incentives, psychic costs and psychic benefits. So, for theorycrafting, AWALT becomes 100% of women unless you specifically counter my (RP) premises.

Hypergamy provides an incentive, but not an absolute. Women value security and genes, and this isn't always in the same man (dualistic mating strategy). The other elements - solipsism, opportunistic style of love, higher EIQ - serve the dualistic mating strategy.

But we must - absolutely must - add context to get something useful out of AWALT. Quite a bit actually. So just a few questions AWALT doesn't naturally add: *What's her SMV? Super important. SMV 5 women will be quite happy with an SMV 7 guy and love him like Thundercock. *What's the SMV of her husband/boyfriend/man she's interested in? *What's her psychic health at? e.g. Women with low self-esteem and higher anxiety will probably value security over genes, thus lowering her hypergamous ambitions, and be more monogamous in general. She will probably value a man equal to her SMV, and like to keep him there. *What's her personality like? I personally believe MBTI personality types provide interesting insights into the incentives, but MBTI doesn't have widespread scientific consensus for any real claims beyond my personal life. *What type of genes is she looking for? Markers of high conscientiousness, openness to experience, etc. *And so on.

So many variables to consider that - unfortunately - are too cumbersome to add and clarify to every single debate thread.

aylamayla · 2016-05-07T00:19:07+00:00

Most divorce has the man paying alimony 50% (1/2 time forever, other half 3-10 years)

Most divorce leaves the man without custody of this kids 60-90%

Most women would have degrading sex that she is normally opposed to for a hot enough guy

im confused by that, like if the guy is hot enough is it actually still degrading? like if you are still sexually attracted to them while and after having whatever kind of weird sex you have, then the sex was still good right?

Most women wouldn't be happy dating an emotional guy= 30-40%

Most women wouldn't be happy dating a guy who is MORE emotional then they are= 70-90%

Most women are unhappy if they have to lead the relationship= 80-90%

Most women would be unhappy married to a guy who makes less than her = 60-70%

Most women are not sexually attracted to their husbands = 20-40% and those are some horrible Debbie downer bitches. like couples who don't sleep together ever blow my mind. They either have a pickle up their ass and don't know how to have fun, or get married and turn into annoying people. If you can't enjoy everything about your spouse for the rest of your life, then why in the actual fuck did you marry them? off my soap box now.

FIN

648262 · 2016-05-07T01:33:00+00:00

AWALT:

The crazy idea that women are people, and like anyone else they too might do bad things.

wattwatty · 2016-05-07T02:57:29+00:00

I guess I am struck by the degree to which I don't care or don't think very much about a lot of these list items (i.e. I don't think a lot of them are things that AWALT is often invoked to explain). I am, however, happy to provide answers for a handful.

Most divorces are initiated by women.

I mean, lots of people think lots of different things about why this might be true, but it's a measurable fact, no? Like, IIRC, 70%?

Most women are not attracted to their husbands.

Certainly 51%. Maybe 67%. I suspect (though cannot prove) that "class bubbles" can make this seem smaller to some people.

Most women would have degrading sex that she is normally opposed to for a hot enough guy.

"hot enough" provides a terrific "out." -- 100%

C_D_O · 2016-05-07T22:44:40+00:00

Most women sleep around a lot in their youth

TRP dogmatically believes this, but IME its complete bullshit - statistics back up my personal experience too. Millenials are pretty much the least sexual generation other than the greatest generation.

This was one of the original points of contention that led me to stop reading TRP as much because I'm running into women who are clearly sexually inexperienced, and yet TRP is adamant that they're all sluts. When you debate this, you get a bunch of tautology and circular reasoning about how they're just experts at hiding it and every woman has a bunch of jocks she fucked behind your back yawn. Even krauser, a fairly well known PUA, has said the "all women are sluts" notion is one of the biggest myths to be propagated by the manosphere and men who talk the talk but dont walk the walk - bullshit artists and keyboard warriors basically.

I believe the widespread presumption/assumption/perception that everyone is having a reckless fuckfest is a product of hypersexualized media - the vast majority of men watch a LOT of porn. Almost every tv show now has loads of borderline pornography sex in it. The media is constantly referencing sexualized discussions and topics.

It creates this false sense of reality where everyone but that person is privvy to this hedonistic fuckfest, which of course isnt true.

Most divorces are initiated by women

Its been a while since ive looked at the statistics but I'm pretty sure most divorces are initiated by women.

Most women cheat

Again, another gross exaggeration by the manosphere. But I certainly think women cheating is more common than it will ever be publicly acceptable to discuss vs how common it is in our culture to accuse men of cheating.

Most women expect their man to pay for most or all living expenses

Not in my experience.

Most divorce has the man paying alimony Most divorce leaves the man without custody of this kids

these two common points of reference in the manopshere seem to be a mostly north american phenomenon. I very rarely hear discussion about divorce proceedings in Australia for example.

Most women don't settle down until after their prime, in their 30s

Again, another TRP thing I think is mostly influenced by a certain scene (upper-middle class metropolitan NA). The average age of marriage has gone up all over the 1st world, but this is due to a multitude of other factors but TRP's myopic obsession with sex makes them believe its only about the SMP.

Most women are not attracted to their husbands

I tend to think this is true especially longer the marriage goes on. I also think a lot of the conventional wisdom regarding how to change this is worse than wrong. I dont advocate the bizarrely manipulative tactics ("dread game" to stimulate your wifes sexual attraction for you is like killing a fly with a shotgun) but I do recommend those men find their balls again and start acting in a proactively masculine manner - feminists however are loathe to admit that gender roles might have a biological basis and that assertiveness or bravado as an attractive quality in men is more common than it is not.

Most women would have degrading sex that she is normally opposed to for a hot enough guy

Maybe. I think you could convince a lot of people to do shit they will regret later in a moment of lust, doesnt mean you should.

Once i stopped watching porn, i had zero desire to have "degrading" sex anyway. Why? why do you NEED to blow a load on a girl's face or try to stick your dick in her poo-hole? - most men are completely clueless about how these fetishes developed for them.

Most women wouldn't be happy dating an emotional guy

Pretty sure of it. Again where I differ from TRP in my experience is not this goofy idea that women will leave at the first sign of weakness, but rather than continued displays of emotional weakness are a turn off to women. First the respect goes, then the attraction goes and pretty soon shes only in the relationship as long as she feels obligated.

Most women are unhappy if they have to lead the relationship

Matches my experience. You might be able to rattle off an anecdote, but its not the generality. And thats okay.

Most women would be unhappy married to a guy who makes less than her

statistics bear this out I think. I have an acquaintance who is married and makes less than his wife, and shes very sweet and seems quite happy, but the guy is ridiculously charming and still the leader of his household despite the pay gap. Most guys are not him.

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Title	When you say "most women are like that", what exactly does "most" mean?
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Date	May 6, 2016 5:26 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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