All you anti-RedPillers, do you hate TRP because it actually works and shatters your reality?

TheChemist158 · 2015-10-15T17:14:45+00:00

I'm tempted to report, just because of how amazingly not neutral the title is. But meh. To answer the title question, that a retarded question and the answer is obviously no. But your post actual contains some points that are worthy of discussion.

I mean c'mon, if TRP was really just a circlejerk of bitter neckbeards and permavirgin types

It is a circlejerk of people in that mentality. Not necessarily permavirgins, but but a certain mentality.

why do we have numerous reports of TRP working for guys and getting the results they want??

You mean field reports? I personally believe that if you pick a FR off of TRP at random, it is probably largely if not entirely fabricated. You should always take stories off the internet with a grain of salt, but stories in TRP in particular often have impossible aspects, contradictions, and are almost certainly made up. Not all of them are fake, I'm sure, but so many that I'm not willing to believe any of them.

Why do some people find success? I think that a lot of reds start out in a very bad position. I think this is pretty obvious by how many of them seem to think the typical "beta" works. If they were that beta, and they describe that beta as very pathetic, they did start out as all that impressive. If TRP works on 1% of women, and their beta grovelling worked 0.1%, that is a 10 fold increase. I think that TRP works a lot worse then the FR implies (they seem to be full of lies, and even the ones that seem earnest usually claim women are far more attracted than seem to be even in their perspective). Couple that with getting some success versus absolutely no success.

wtknight · 2015-10-15T17:39:21+00:00

I guess some people would rather gouge their eyes out rather than be shown the truth.

And so the truth is that no Blue Pill man in the entire world is having satisfying sex and so they all have to learn Red Pill misogyny in order to get that?

[deleted] · 2015-10-15T18:26:34+00:00

Haha. No. One unexpected side effect: after reading RP drivel, the husband does get extra love and attention because I am so grateful he is not like the posters I've interacted with.

So you are kinda helping men? GOOD WORK, BOYS!!!

SmurfESmurferson · 2015-10-15T17:41:41+00:00

Just my person perception and opinions...

if TRP was really just a circlejerk of bitter neckbeards and permavirgin types then why do we have numerous reports of TRP working for guys and getting the results they want??

I'll be honest, the few field reports I've seen read like some sort "Dear Penthouse" fantasy, or mistakenly credit RP for something as simple as "chick just wants to get laid, she's low hanging fruit."

In other words, I tend to discount them because I feel like it's a situation of a relative newbie being blinded by his adoration of all things RP and discounting other reasons for his success.

But if RP is working for folks, okee dokee.

How do you explain why women react positively towards an RP man by rewarding him with hard sex as opposed to a BP man who's ooh so kind, respectful and gentle but dammit he just doesn't make her panties wet...

I firmly believe that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, so of course someone who's putting himself out there is going to score. That's how numbers work.

The second part of that sentence is a major problem I have with RP/anger phase folks - you're putting all the responsibility for the guy not scoring on women.

If a guy's not having success, he's doing something wrong. The common denominator is him, not the individual women.

I've actually asked questions like this to BPs and feminists alike and their canned responses are usually something along the lines of "TRP only works on weak, insecure women" or some other crap instead of looking at the situation objectively.

TRP makes no bones about being manipulative. Insecure people are generally a bit easier to manipulate.

What's even more amusing is that sometimes I'll actually get an honest answer that acknowledges TRP and the results it produces but still insist that TRP is morally "wrong" and should be avoided.

TRP sometimes works. Sometimes it doesn't.

I don't really care whether it's "morally wrong" or whatever, my concerns are:

TRPers seem to have a huge amount of selection bias, willing to chalk all success up to TRP (and TRP alone), while totally discounting any other outside factors. They also go to great lengths to rationalize away any TRP failures/blame women.
There's way too much tolerance of the anger phase. Some of the older TRPers who have a lot to offer any pill of any color really need to tell these guy to grow up/get over it. For all that the sub prides itself on "tough talk," they handle anger phase people with kid gloves.

It makes their intense dislike of shrieking feminists (who are basically going through their own anger phase) particularly eye rolling.

Frankly, there are a few posters who concern me - they have genuine mental health issues, and I'm actually concerned one or two of them will end up going down a violent path.

Certain posters need to be told in no uncertain words that RP won't fix what's going on, and they need professional help.

And even with those who are self reporting as successful, there are a couple of RPers who are very clearly missing red flags in their own relationships. I've read a few posts and been like "um, your SO is trying to tell you something, dude. She's about to start fucking the mailman."

Demonizing half the world's population is really not a healthy mindset.

Nemesinthe · 2015-10-15T16:59:23+00:00

You know making you more successful in your life for a short (but long enough) time is a trademark of all profilic cults, right?

goatismycopilot · 2015-10-15T17:34:43+00:00

Those field reports, I think of those as inspirational fantasy fiction sort of like harlequin romance novels or fan fiction. Nobody not even everybody in TRP believes those stories. So actually we do not have numerous reports of guys getting the results they want.

[deleted] · 2015-10-15T17:40:14+00:00

Nope. TRP is just so inaccurate in describing my reality. Like seriously, TRP couldn't be further from the truth for me and those close to me.

gregariousnefarious · 2015-10-15T16:44:37+00:00

RP does not align with my reality, so I reject it pretty much across the board. You suppose that your "truth" is the one and only truth. IMO, lots of other methods work for getting satisfaction and they're not rooted in cynicism toward others and navel gazing self help crap. So no it doesn't shatter my reality, it fills me with pity for those who think that RP is emblematic of the one true path to pussy

belletaco · 2015-10-15T16:52:59+00:00

I think TBP is founded on a lack of empathy. Most of them literally cannot understand why someone would need a strategy to get laid or get a relationship with someone they desire. They don't realize there are people, many people in fact, who go weeks, months or years not having a single a social interaction that doesn't end with a feeling of guilt or shame because someone lacks the ability to be received in a positive way, especially by the opposite sex. Like most bullies they view themselves as the real victims.

goatismycopilot · 2015-10-15T18:34:17+00:00

Actually, I think I could write one of those field reports myself. It might be fun to either have a contest here at PPD.

Iforgotmybucket · 2015-10-15T18:26:47+00:00

It's obvious that you strongly believe that BP folks hate TRP because they just hate the truth so much, and I sincerely doubt any answer will change your mind. You're clearly just looking for something to reinforce your worldview, not challenge it. Maybe ask yourself what the point of this post is.

comiclazy · 2015-10-15T16:44:47+00:00

All you anti-RedPillers, do you hate TRP because it actually works and shatters your reality?

nope

Borellonomicon · 2015-10-15T17:26:36+00:00

There are many ways to get the results you want. The Red-Pill gets people laid. Congrats. Why that is the only result they care about, I'll never understand, but yeah, it works a good amount of the time.

But aren't there better ways to get those results? That's where the problem lies. If I want someone, I'm not going to insult, hurt, and belittle someone else to get what I want, so that other people don't insult, hurt and belittle me to get what they want. There are better ways. The Red-Pill is the worst of ways.

17b29a · 2015-10-15T18:56:50+00:00

Yeah totes

MrCheddarCheese · 2015-10-15T19:35:10+00:00

Hate TRP? Lol, no.

I don't "hate" Christians for believing in a talking snake. I don't "hate" conspiratards for believing 9/11 was an inside job. Why would I bother hating TRP?

TRP doesn't describe reality in any substantive sense in the adult world. It's a hysterical, paranoid, incredibly emotional ideology based on the perceived victimstance of sexually undesirable men. That's all it is.

anacrassis · 2015-10-15T19:35:30+00:00

I agree with RP on many things. I refuse to associate myself with RP, however, because of the blatant misogyny in that sub, the culture of bitterness, and their very narrow worldview.

hyperrreal · 2015-10-15T19:47:45+00:00

This title is pretty circlejerky. You need to bring this issue up again in a different way.

coratoad · 2015-10-15T17:34:04+00:00

You guys make this too complicated. Here is my exact thought process. "TRP say mean things about woman. Me woman. TRP say mean things about me. TRP bad. Me hate TRP. Me say mean things about TRP. Me call TRP man neckbeard."

Title	All you anti-RedPillers, do you hate TRP because it actually works and shatters your reality?
Author	darkmoon09
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Comments	65
Date	October 15, 2015 4:39 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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